Emptywheel’s Famous Football Trash Talk Thread – Holiday Edition

The weekend is upon us, which means it is time for some trashing and burning (Note: not for you folks working for Cheney at his "ceremonial" office, you have trashed and burned quite enough this week). You may ask "why, bmaz, is Cheney’s Vice Presidential Office ceremonial"? Don’t ask such silly questions, everyone knows he mans the President’s office while his feckless sidekick, Boy Dunder, rides his trike and clears brush. Without further adieu, here are some of my takes:

Green Bay at Da Bears – What can I say, when the head cat is away, the rat is gonna play. So the lead game on this week’s thread is not the Pats. Oh, the sacrilege. Its a shame Phred isn’t around to see the Pack in the pole position. Da Bears are having an injury filled downer of a season. But it is late December, Halas and Lombardi, classic Black and Blue Division football. While Soldier Field may not be the frozen tundra of Lambeau, it sure isn’t much warmer if the wind is up. With these two old foes you can throw their records out the window when they get together. Well, perhaps you can throw the records out the window, not me; um, I’ll take the Pack.

Fish at Pats – If I wasn’t worried that mom would take my car keys away, I am not sure I would bother with this one. The Dolphins are a once proud and grand franchise that have really fallen on hard times. I guess it seemed like the right idea to them at the time; but somehow or another you just knew that sooner or later they would regret giving Don Shula the bums rush out of town, even if it was for Jimmy Johnson. Pats ought to be able to rest Brady by the time the two minute warning is given. In the first half that is.

Browns at Bengals and Skins at Vikes – These are my co-choices for best of the rest. Neither one of them seem particularly appealing on the surface; but both have some compelling story lines going. The Browns may be the story of the year when it is all said and done. They have been playing good, smart, conservative ball all year. And winning. At the start of the year, I didn’t figure Romeo Crenel would make it through the season; now the playoffs are well within sight. As with the Bears/Packers, there is big history between these two. Kind of like the Cleveland Browns playing the Cincinnati Browns; they are both the creation of Paul Brown. The Vikes have had a surprising year and Adrian Peterson is the real deal and worth the ticket price to watch. The Skins have had a difficult and disappointing, not to mention tragic, year. Still, they are a better team than you think and Joe Gibbs knows how to play ball. This is a tough one, and I don’t say this with much confidence, but I got the Skins in an upset. I’ll bet I regret this one….

I am also going to toss in the Eagles at the Saints as an honorable mention for best of the rest. Eagles are a far better team than their record shows. Ask Tony Romo. The Aint’s have turned it around and are playing well again. I think New Orleans will hold on, but I sure wouldn’t bet any money on this one. Also this weekend, we have the New Orleans Bowl (Florida Atlantic v. Memphis); Papa Johns Bowl (Cincinnati v. Southern Miss); New Mexico Bowl (Nevada v. New Mexico); Las Vegas Bowl (UCLA v. BYU) and the Sheraton Hawaii Bowl (East Carolina v. Boise State). I love watching Boise State, the others seem kind of like yawners. What do you have to say? Belly up to the bar and make yourself comfortable.

107 replies
  1. bmaz says:

    That is a decent point. Most years, at least historically, you would think this could be an fun filled offensive shootout. The Cougars don’t score as prolifically as they did under LaVell Edwards; and the Bruin’s offense may be more consistent than their pass defense, but not by much.

  2. freepatriot says:

    it’s a “Trash Talking” thread huh ???


    what the fuck happened to your hair ??? did you lose a bet or something ??? tell us who did that to you, and we’ll get him for you

    and dude, where’d ya get those clothes, who does your shopping, your mom ???

    and those shoes, I haven’t seen a pair of shoes that bad since, well, that pair you had on yesterday

    I guess you really can’t worry about your weight until your completion clears up, huh ???

    what, it’s a “FOOTBALL” trash talking thread …???

    very different …

    ooopps, sorry bout that, got a little carried away

    let’s see, football …


    Cowboys Rule (as long as Romo’s squeeze stays home)

    green bay sucks

    new england is overrated

    and Mr. Bill went and signed us up with Miami, so we’ll be putting in a good word for the Dolphins next year

    that should cover it …

    • bmaz says:

      Boomer Sooners my ass. Steve Slaton and Pat White are going to treat the fucking Sooners like a nooner; i.e. screw em and walk away. Thats what Mountaineers do. Ask EW what happened to “Big Blue” when a group of angry Mountaineers came to Ann Arbor earlier in the year. Carnage everywhere. And those were the lower tier Mountaineers, just think what the BCS Division Mountaineers are capable of doing to those slow pokes with the hoky Conestoga wagon!

      And those Dallasss Cowbelles; why they make paper dolls look like stand up people. One little MTV blonde in the stands and they turn to mush. Well, there is going to be a stadium full of Jessicas in Carolina. For anybody that hasn’t seen this story, click the link; it is hilarious.

      Is this the kind of trash you were looking for ?

      • freepatriot says:

        like some inbred hillbillies could play with the BEST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY ???

        and about that “nooner” thing, keep your relationships with your sisters to yourself, we don’t want to know that (wink)

        so what if west virginia beat michigan, everybody and App State beat michigan this year. My neighbors’ kids could beat michigan this year (gonna have trouble with the management over that one, ain’t I ???)

        and I’m kinda sad to see that the packer fans have embraced the horror, admitting that they need jessica simpson’s help to derail the Cowboys. It’s not usual for the cheeseheads to accept the reality of Dallas’ superiority so easily. But I guess when your playoff fortunes depend on a bubble headed bleach blond, you kinda have to accept reality. And I guess that living so close to Canada means that you “almost hosers” to face reality a bit SOONER than the average American (probably be trouble bout that one too)

        oh, and I’m glad we could all reach a consensus about new england being overrated (wink)

        and here’s an update for Y’all:

        Cincinnati is beating Southern Miss 28 to 14 with 4 minutes left in the third quarter of bowl game number 3 (I can’t keep them straight anymore, so I just gave them numbers)

  3. Rayne says:

    Spending the weekend in the company of some cheddar-heads; I guess this means they’ll be buying the beers and tequila if the Pack’s going to win. How can that be a bad thing, eh?

    Just can’t eat the damned cheddar curds, tho’. Going to have to pass on ‘em when the cheddar-heads pass them around during the game.

  4. Jeff says:

    Since I don’t understand the conventions governing these threads, since I never look at them, since I have no interest in football, forgive me if I’m violating the conventions here. I’m taking this an all-purpose open thread, and I’ve got to say, boy is Marcy going to love this when she gets back – from Laura Rozen:

    In the summer of 2002, after returning from a posting as the Counterterrorism Center chief in Pakistan, where he was involved in the questioning of Zubaida, Kiriakou served as the executive assistant to Robert Grenier, then the CIA’s Iraq mission manager. Grenier, a former station chief in Pakistan and director of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, later was called as a witness at the trial of the vice president’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby—and his testimony proved damaging to Libby’s defense.

    According to a declassified document filed with the court after the Libby trial and obtained by Mother Jones, Kiriakou authored a June 10, 2003 email sent to several CIA officials. The message apparently was written in response to intense efforts at that time by the vice president’s office to learn how Plame’s husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, had been selected to go on a CIA-sponsored fact-finding mission to Niger. The email makes clear that senior CIA officials, including Kiriakou’s boss and the Deputy Director of Central Intelligence, did not know who Valerie Wilson was at the time. Prodded by Cheney’s office, they were seeking information on her role at the agency prior to a scheduled conversation with Libby the next day.

  5. bonjonno says:

    you led with the Pack. What a guy! Is that a Sunday game? There seem to be all kinds of odd game days now and only on cable. I just get what comes over the air old style, CBS or FOX

    I’m back from the gig which was a screaming Friday night affair in a smoke free bar (unusual here) and my part was drumming hard while the younger cats played Strats and my doctor buddy wailed on a large piano keyboard and an even larger actual B3 Hammond organ. Good to get the kinks out.

    12 degrees here with a minus 11 wind chill. I understand your bundling up when it’s 53. But I saw a guy at Safeway wearing shorts tonight. I don’t know how these people do it. Doesn’t matter how cold it gets. T’s and shorts.

  6. emptywheel says:

    Thanks for doing this, bmaz.

    I’d add the Bills/Giants game to the list of interesting ones, and not just bc I’m driving from Eagles territory to Bills territory tomorrow. The Giants really need to avoid sneaking into the playoffs with a string of losses (besides Shockey, of course, which hurts bad enough). And I suspect the Giants will want that win streak to start before they hit the Pats (though i do think, on a good day, they could beat the Pats, though probably not w/o Shockey).

    But the Bills are another one of those better than they look teams. My money’s on the Bills.

    • bmaz says:

      You are right about the Giants/Bills; I actually intended to include that, but couldn’t figure out who the hell was going to win. I decided to do the others first and get back to this game, but, Alzheimered moron that I am, forgot.

      Rayne – You must succumb to the power of cheese. You know you want to be a cheeser too……

  7. Phoenix Woman says:

    Rayne: Thanks for saving the cheese curds for me! Yum! (By the way: You have not had onion rings until you have had them in a Wisconsin bar. Seriously.) And yes, the Pack should just stomp the Bears. If the Vikings, who the Pack handled with no trouble at all earlier this year, can beat the Bears (granted, that was before the Vikings’ afterburners kicked in), the Pack should be able to run up a college score on them unless it snows during the game; in which case, they’ll still win, but by a more typical score.

    As for the Vikes-Skins: Ordinarily, this’d be one that I’d say the Vikings could win handily. But their defense has been beat up a bit lately, on and off the field, so who knows?

    • Rayne says:

      PW, I’m putting your name on the bowl of cheese curds. They’re anathema to the lactose intolerant; I’d rather have another shot an’ a beer. Hope you enjoy them while watching a Pack win!

  8. BayStateLibrul says:

    I’m shallow. I believe in the horseshoe up the arse” theory with Brady.
    Lady Luck. The Miracle Mets. I don’t care what Einstein says, God does play the dice with Brady (or is Satan).

    “Were they lucky?” asks sportswriter Bob Ryan (Globule). “You bet your autographed picture of Horace Ivory they were lucky. Luck has always been part of any superior team’s deal. The Celtics of legend were always lucky in the eyes of their opponents. The vaunted Leprechaun was always their best Sixth Man. You send Rex Ryan a thank you card and a box of chocolates, and you move on.”

    “Throw a lucky man in the sea, sayeth the Arabs, “and he’ll come up with a fish in his mouth.” No leaky ark at Foxborough tomorrow. Final score Pats 20, the Fish 17.

    “Fortune, Bill Shakespeare says, “brings in some boats that are not steered.”

    Hold on to your hats and bring your umbrellas… it’ll be a sea-saw game?

  9. MadDog says:

    Even though I live here in the Twin Cities, I’m no more able to determine who will win the Skins vs Vikes game than the local hound dog.

    The Vikes should win given Home Field, given Adrian Peterson, given the Skins woeful year as bmaz acknowledges, but…

    While I’ll not go with bmaz’s Skin upset, I will gingerly go out on the limb with a Vike’s 14-10 victory. And I’ll probably regret it. *g*

    • MadDog says:

      I think I’m gonna withdraw my tentative prediction that my Vikes would beat the Skins 14-10. At my age, I should have known better. *g*

      Looks like my hometown team has been into the eggnog, early and hard!

      Ah well, there’s always next year…or the year after that…or the next decade.

      • bmaz says:

        Well, you are in luck. The Vikes are not the Cardinals, so you have hope.

        Neil – This Chris Johnson kid from ECU is really something. How come I never heard of him before? This guy is a stud and according to the announcers 4.3 speed. He looks that fast. Wow.

  10. emptywheel says:

    That’s alright, bmaz. I’m thinking of having you do the Trash Talk for the remainder of the season, and them swooping in each week and saying, “wait a minute, bmaz, you forgot this game.”

    And I think the Jags will be just a surprising as teh Brownies, FWIW. I’m hoping the Jags take teh Colts out, to finally get them over their seeming jinx against beating teh Colts in Indy.

  11. freepatriot says:

    let’s take some time to honor Howard Schnellenberger



    and Florida Atlantic ???

    the man is a frickin MAGICIAN

    all he does is WIN, and build programs from nuttin

    5 and 0 in bowl games

    and how could we forget how h as Howard Schnellenberger, ’s 1983 Miami team defeated nebraska in the Orange Bowl (I’ve been a Howie fan since that day)

    here’s to Howard Schnellenberger


  12. watercarrier4diogenes says:

    In re: WVa vs Sooners… All Pat and Steve have to do is watch the game film of USC dismantling them in the Orange Bowl not so long ago. Pat’s a better runner than Matt, and Steve will match up well with Reggie on Sundays next year.

    • freepatriot says:

      yeah, UVW needs to watch that USC tape, and then get themselves a reggie bush and a lendale white

      that’s all

      and on a similar topic

      hey cheeseheads, YOU’RE UP

  13. ProfessorFoland says:


    Their QB: named for a Muse, and a fruit.

    Our QB: Hey, when you have that many supermodels after you, there are bound to be a few mistakes.

    As for college football, there’s no need to trash talk, the facts speak for themselves: Michigan is playing in a bowl named after a credit card, Illinois is playing in the Grandaddy of Them All.

    • watercarrier4diogenes says:

      You bet, Prof. Though we might have been more pleased had we gotten Georgia in here, it’ll still be a heckuva fun game.

  14. ProfessorFoland says:

    Even though many of us (including me) loved the Westbrook play last week, William Krasker points out it has a fatal flaw. Westbrook took the knee with 2:19 left. Outside of 2:00, penalties stop the clock. Dallas could have taken an intentional penalty (for instance, taking off your helmet and throwing it in the air…) If the Dallas D can hold the line for 3 downs, Dallas will get the ball back with over half a minute, down by only seven. So the kneel did not take the probability of a Dallas win down to exactly zero.

    I’d probably take the Pats at 22 (which is against the grain for me; in general, I believe differences between teams are exaggerated). They’re enough better, it’s purely a question of how long they keep the pedal to the floor. I think they’ll want to scare teams that know the road to the SB runs through Foxboro. That’s enough for me to take the Pats.

    Oddly, I agree that the Pats have actually been a little lucky; Pythagoras would have expected them to have lost a couple of games by now. It’s going to be so-so weather here tomorrow so I have no particular thoughts on the O/U.

    • bmaz says:

      Hey, don’t blame the lawyers; if they didn’t contort justice for football in the south, there would be no players on the SEC teams and the jails would be overcrowded.

      • watercarrier4diogenes says:

        Too true. And then they have to put in all that pro-bono time keepin’ ‘em out of jail. Wonder who dropped the ball at Florida State? Sure will make it easier for Kentucky playing a 60 man squad instead of a 96 man squad.

        Indeed, CTuttle, GO WARRIORS!! I’d love to see Colt Brennan pass the Dawgs dizzy. Do they have a cheerleader worth proposing to after the game? Hope so! Talk about ‘To the Victor…’. BTW, my play of the year choice would have been that ‘holder tosses ball over his head to kicker sprinting to the right side’ play that LSU pulled off. Shades of Boise State v. Oklahoma last year.

  15. bmaz says:

    So, here is my question. Did the Cowboys pay off the officials, or did the league put out the word to make sure Dallas won against Carolina? The Panthers are being robbed.

    • emptywheel says:

      What, since when do muggings require a pass interference pay.

      That said, the Pats had some questionable calls help them (and hurt them and the Colts hurt them) this season. So no one (where’s phred, who would say, save the Packeres) in the top is unquestioned…

  16. BooRadley says:

    FWIW, Packers Bears injury reports:


    OUT: FB Korey Hall (hip).

    DOUBTFUL: QB Aaron Rodgers (hamstring).

    QUESTIONABLE: CB Jarrett Bush (calf), TE Bubba Franks (knee), DT Ryan Pickett (groin), LB Tracy White (ankle).

    PROBABLE: S Aaron Rouse (shoulder), CB Charles Woodson (toe).


    DOUBTFUL: DE Mark Anderson (knee).

    QUESTIONABLE: LB Lance Briggs (hip), QB Rex Grossman (knee), DT Tommie Harris (knee), CB Nathan Vasher (groin), DT Darwin Walker (elbow).

  17. BayStateLibrul says:

    Why do I hate Bill Parcells? Even more than Roger Clemens..


    Leaves the Pats, 1996
    “I have no desire to continue as an NFL coach.”
    Eight days later, Parcells takes over as the Jets’ head coach.
    Retires from the Jets, circa 2000
    “I’ve coached my last game.”
    2002 becomes coach of the Cowboys.

    I know I said it will be a close game, but I sure hope they
    send the New Miami Tuna a fucking shellacking

  18. freepatriot says:

    here’s the bowl numbering system I came up with

    I think my local paper knows something I don’t

    all the teams listed first have won so far …

    #1 pointsettia – Utah vs Navy
    #2 New Orleans – Florida Atlantic vs Memphis
    #3 papajohn – Cincinnati vs Southern Miss
    #4 New Mexico – New Mexico vs Nevada
    #5 Las Vegas – BYU vs UCLA
    #6 Hawaii – East Carolina vs Boise St
    #7 Motor City – Central Michigan vs Perdue
    #8 Holiday – Arizona St vs Texas
    #9 Champs sports – Boston College vs Michigan St
    #10 Teaxs – TCU vs Houston
    #11 Emerald – Maryland vs Oregon St
    #12 Meineke – Connecticut vs Wake Forest
    #13 Liberty – Mississippi St vs Central Florida
    #14 Alamo – Penn St vs Texas A&M
    #15 Independence – Colorado vs Alabama
    #16 Armed Forces – Cal vs Air Force
    #17 Sun – South Florida vs Oregon
    #18 Humanitarian – Fresno St vs Georgia Tech
    #19 Music City – Florida St vs Kentucky
    #20 Insight – Indiana vs Oklahoma St
    #21 chic fil a – Clemson vs Auburn
    #22 Outback – Wisconsin vs Tennessee
    #23 Cotton – Missouri vs Arkansas
    #24 capital one – Michigan vs Florida
    #25 Gator – Virginia vs Texas Tech
    #26 Rose – USC vs Illinois
    #27 Sugar – Hawaii vs Georgia
    #28 Fiesta – West Virginia vs Oklahoma
    #29 Orange – Kansas vs Virginia Tech
    #30 International – Rutgers vs Ball St
    #31 GMAC = Tulsa vs Bowling Green
    #32 BCS Championship – Ohio St vs LSU

    from now on, when talking trash about a bowl game, please have your reference number posted at the top of yur rant

        • BayStateLibrul says:

          I just realized that the Super Bowl is in Arizona.
          Can you get us “standing room only” tickets?

          • bmaz says:

            No, but I will tell you this: Last time the Super Bowl was here, I bought tickets about ten minutes before the game started for about $20 over face value; pretty good seats too. In Phoenix, if you can wait until right before the thing starts, you can always get tickets for face value or less; to pretty much anything. The day before the Super Bowl, those seats I bought were still well over $1,000 a piece…..

  19. Neil says:

    What are the TOP FOOTBALL TRASH-TALKING games of the week? I’m behind the curve here. Someone catch me up!

    In Foxboro, it’ll be a balmy 46F with winds of 13mph SSE and a 90% chance of showers. The is a net plus for the Pats but not as great an advantage as previous years when the Pats running game dominiated on natural turf and Corey Dillon pummelled opposing defenses.

    The weather will affect the long ball again and the Pats will try to control the game by mixing running with short passes, always looking for the chance to strike with the long ball if conditions permit.

    Brady needs 5 touchdowns to break the NFL record and Moss needs 3. The team need to win this week and next to run the regular season slate, which they will tell you, means nothing.

    The Dolphins have good special teams include kick-off return. Watch for some scoring there. The Weather is december also to create turnoves and scoring opporunities on broken plays.

    The Pats beat the Dolphins 49-28 on 10/21.

    Can the Dolphins keep their winning streak alive? NO! Pats 35-13.

    The Boston area tv lineup is;

    cbs – Houston @ Indy
    fox – Giants @ Buffalo

    cbs – fish @ the razor

    nbc – Redskins @ Vikings

  20. bmaz says:

    Thank You Neil. And I might for those particular local that seem to inexplicably favor the Cowbelles and Nooners; the best team in Texas is up 7-0 on the Colts.

  21. Neil says:

    Houston Defense holds and Vinterri scores 3. …Why don’t we get players like that? Houston gets a good KO return. Now on their own 46 and driving.

  22. 4jkb4ia says:

    Buffalo 14, NYG 0! NYG does not have a 1st down! Oy,gevalt!

    Because I can do this all day, Nashville is the New York of liberal fascism.

  23. Neil says:

    The Giants’ assignment looks simple enough: fly up to Buffalo, beat the Bills on Sunday, go to the playoffs. All they need is one win in their final two games, so they may as well get it against the mediocre Bills.

    But the assignment comes with a P.S.: Don’t screw up. Because if they don’t win this battle of upstate and downstate New York, the Giants are going to go into the final week of the season, and the opponent isn’t going to be a pushover but the Patriots, the best team in the NFL. And all the Pats will be trying to do that week is finish off the first 16-0 regular season in NFL history.

    Pressure on Eli, Giants to beat Bills, New York needs win for playoffs, Patriots loom next week

    Jeremy Shockey’s out with a broken leg.

  24. bmaz says:

    You know, if that acting in commercials gig doesn’t work out for Peyton Manning, he may have a future as an NFL quarterback….

    Speaking of commercials, how many of the congregation here have been motivated to run out and buy a Citizen Ecodrive Watch because of the ad that touts them as being “Tough And Dependable Like Eli Manning”? Heh heh. There ought to be some soul on Madison Avenue looking for work……

    • Neil says:

      Eli gets a pass because of Peyton’s success ;p

      Someday, I’d like to see Eli and the Giants resume the greatness from years past, not because I’m an Eli fan in particular but becuase I like the Giants.

  25. BooRadley says:

    You know, if that acting in commercials gig doesn’t work out for Peyton Manning, he may have a future as an NFL quarterback….

    I actually like/respect what Peyton has done, but taking $200,000 to attend a kid’s sixteenth bday party? I guess his agent tried to paint it as a “corporate appearance.”

  26. Neil says:

    Who’s watcing the Pack? What’s going on there?

    Indy’s got Houston figured out.

    The Giants rallied in Buffalo.

    EW’s lions have the lead at home against the Chiefs–odds are that game is not on Philly. Anyone watching?

    1pm game scores at about halftime…
    Cleveland 0
    Cincinnati 13

    Green Bay 7
    Chicago 13

    Houston 7
    Indianapolis 24

    Kansas City 14
    Detroit 19

    N.Y. Giants 17
    Buffalo 14

    Oakland 3
    Jacksonville 28

    Philadelphia 24
    New Orleans 14


  27. BooRadley says:

    Neil, the wind and cold (runny-nose weather) have rendered passing extremely tough. Except in the red zone, QB’s have to drill it to get it through the wind. Wide outs on both sides can’t catch it. I think the only completions outside the red zone (all Bears) have been screen passes. Packers also can’t punt. Punter dropped one, had the second blocked, and shanked the third.

  28. Neil says:

    3 (three!) blocked punts by da bearz against the pack, wha?

    Boo, there’s no question cold, but especially rainy and windy weather grounds the long ball game. I’m looking out the window here and NOT seeing the rain or wind (’bought 25 miles from Foxboro.)

    Were the pats 0-4 in the red zone last week, if not there are ranked at the bottom of the league in offense in the red zone? Wierd, huh?

  29. Neil says:

    I’m thinking everyone’s busy with christmas preparations and just do not have time for football trash talk right now… Boo, bmaz, 4jkb4ia and neil, his own self, excluded. Here are my predictions about what the regulars are doing…

    1. baking an angel cake
    2. decorating the ginger bread house
    3. teasing the nephews and nieces
    4. stringing popped-corn
    5. trimming the tree
    6. shoveling the snow out of the street drain
    7. calling their bookie
    8. reporting the Constituion as a missing person
    9. burning their petroleum-based cheesehead hat in the fireplace
    10.had enough of the circus atmosphere and decided it was time to climb into the eggnog bowl

    • freepatriot says:

      Yo neil;

      what am I, chopped liver ???

      I kinda qualify under point 6

      I’m not CALLING my bookie, but I am involved in that call, if you take my meaning …

      and if we’re not a “regular”, what are we ???

      an Irregular ???

      • Neil says:

        oops, didn’t scroll up far enough to pluck all the names from all the posts (…and Neil knows better than to do anything to incur freepatriot’s fury, he he ;o)

  30. bmaz says:

    What a freaking pathetic weekend of football at Casa de bmaz. The Cowbelles win (thanks to the officials) and the Pack stink up the place like warm limburger. Browns and Aints lose miserably. Man, I have got a healthy 0 fer going. Now, to add insult to injury, I don’t get to watch the Pats, nor any other game except the stinking, pitiful, worthless, piece-o-crap Cardinals play the Falcons. Just shoot me….

    • freepatriot says:

      brady is getting smacked around a bit, bun Miami is getting their ass handed to them

      Miami stops New England at their own 40, punt impending

      • Neil says:

        Harrison almost had the sack but missed the QB, anyone he blew up the play. anyway, fish punt.

        Does Brown have anything left? He’s not taking the initiative on his punt returns, he’s reacting.

        Maroney busts one on first down, 51 yards! Ok, we can run of Miami.

  31. Neil says:

    the pats throw on tbe 20 for a TD (30 yard strike). looks like the weather will not be a factor, at this pont anyway. the dolphins are running the nickel to defend the pass which should open up the run.

    i think you’ll see the Pats pass in the red zone from the 20 – 10 yrdln and try to score from there. Inside the the ten, i’m not so sure. maybe will see that shortly.

  32. Neil says:

    Fish caught inteferring with foudblr-covered Moss on a long ball in the endzone.

    The Pats play calling from the 1 yard line sure makes a case for their interest in getting Moss and Brady the league touchdown scoring records.

  33. bmaz says:

    Here is the exciting (not so much) football I am able to relate. The Falcon’s 4th string quarterback, Chris Redman, just threw a 75 yard TD pass, to some rookie receiver no one has ever heard of, against the stinking, pitiful, worthless, piece-o-crap Cardinals.

    • Neil says:

      14 to 14? Bmaz, did you watch the Nevada, NM game? They – both teams – have lots of good talent and an excitnig brand of football. I thought Nevada underperformed… couda given NM a better game.

  34. Neil says:

    …talking about the patriots and trash-talking, i miss jodidog if only because i miss freepatriot’s counter arguments.

    • bmaz says:

      Ask and ye shall receive. The old, real Jodi was a relentless stalker of dead threads at TNH. Well, here she is, two days late and several dollars short, making a comment about three hours ago on my Wheels of Justice thread from Friday morning.

      Neil, I had been wondering what to get you for Christmas; this just fell in my lap! Heh heh. I did see parts of the New Mexico Bowl and it wasn’t a bad game. I think the Hawaii Bowl tonight might be fun, what with Boise State and all: it is a shame it is at the same time as the Skins and Vikes.

      • Neil says:

        JodiDog December 23rd, 2007 at 11:17 @ 63

        Aah come on bmaz.
        You are a year too late!

        Sounds like we missed a generally acknowledged window of opportunity :-p Too bad, woulda been fun. (I’m sure she just couldn’t help herself but to chime in on that one.)

        What a great bowl game Boise State played last year. It was one for the ages. They have the same coach and offense this year and thet score, score, score. Since one game is one cable (ESPN) and the other broadcast over the air (NBC) i’ll watch both with picture in picture (gotta chose the sound from one or the other, though.)

        Thanks for your thoughtful gift bmaz. You’re the best.

        • bmaz says:

          I was going to go to the Fiesta Bowl last year, scene of Boise State’s glorious victory over the Nooners (hah, take that Free! Bash the Cheesers will ya), but opted out to go to a friend’s party. Man, I wish I had gone to that game. At any rate, I just saw a preview on ESPNNews and apparently, this is like a honeymoon for Ian Johnson. As you probably recall, he is the Boise State back that proposed to his cheerleader girlfriend after the winning score. He brought his now wife with him to Hawaii and they are treating the extended trip as a honeymoon. Is another storybook ending in store?

  35. bmaz says:

    Holy Cow! The Brits have got it all over us Yanks these days. They forced their Poodle out and now have what appears to be a sane leader for their country; we still have BatshitCrazyCheneyMan and Boy Dunder running ours. But this is a clincher. Brit Office Christmas Parties!

    In many parts of the world, companies hold Christmas parties — or holiday, year-end bashes — for employees. But in Britain, the gatherings have become a particularly potent institution, legendary for massive booze consumption that leads to fistfights, firings and spur-of-the-blurry-moment indiscretions in boardrooms and parking lots.

    The spike in alcohol-related emergency calls from office parties is so predictable that the ambulance service has a special medical vehicle to patrol the streets. With room for five people, it’s known as the “Booze Bus” or “Vomit Comet.”
    …many in Britain are standing up for parties with an almost patriotic vigor. As one enthusiastic commentator on “Comment is free,” the popular forum on the Guardian Unlimited Web site, recently noted, “Projectile vomiting is our birthright.”

    She noted that partygoers seem to find great amusement in photocopying intimate body parts. Stagg recalled one incident in which a man at his Christmas party sat on the copy machine, broke the glass and ended up in the emergency room with shards of glass in his bottom.

    This year, tens of thousands of female office workers stepped out in skimpy red “Sexy Mrs. Santa” suits, complete with faux white fur and miniskirts, some of them backless.

  36. Neil says:

    With at 28-7 lead it looks like the Pats are focusing on touchdown passes now to get Brady and Moss get league records.

    They set a league record for team touchdowns today, I think.

  37. bmaz says:

    ALLRIGHT! The Falcons have just tied up the stinking, pitiful, worthless, piece-o-crap Cardinals at 24-24 with 4:30 to go. (Please note that if the Cards ever do get their game together in the future years, I’ll likely be a total homer. Pretty Mitt Romneyesque eh?)

  38. PetePierce says:

    Looks like Falcons/Cardinals are in OT to win Battle of the Birds (Turkeys). 60 Minutes has a special for EW on Tom Brady for those who can tear themselves away from the Falcons OT.

    Who will Arthur Blank get to replace Rich McKay as General Manager of the Falcons? The world waits with baited breath. Parsells backed out. Bill Cowher not interested.

  39. bmaz says:

    This has been a big day for EW all the way around. Ten Win Kitna guides the Lions to win number 7; the Pats move easily to 15-0, and Tom Brady on 60 Minutes. A Holly Jolly Penultimate Christmas Eve indeed!

  40. bmaz says:

    Wow. No clue about East Carolina, but they look pretty good so far in the Hawaii Bowl. Can the Skins provide me with my first correct prediction of the day? After the complete drubbing received so far, I am not holding my breath this early in the game.

  41. watercarrier4diogenes says:

    *sigh* Bret just didn’t have an answer for gale-force winds today. Tony Smith looked better than most ex-Heisman QBs have looked in their first year, though. Hopefully he won’t have a soph jinx year like Leinart. Keep the faith in Leinart, bmaz, he’ll be a good one.

  42. bmaz says:

    Hey, Neil Lomax was a great quarterback; he couldn’t get the Cardinals to win. Steve Beurlein was a very serviceable NFL quarterback; nada. It isn’t the players, many who leave here to go to other teams are suddenly all-pro and win SuperBowls. It is the team. The Chicago Cubs have nothing on the Cardinals; and at least they are lovable. The Cards are just losers. Always have been. There is always hope I suppose.

    • Neil says:

      The Cards suffer from the curse. Never, never, never turn your back on St. Louis.

      Boise St. is showing a little promise. Too bad the Boise St. receiver couldn’t catch the hail mary than hit him in the stomach on the 1 yardline. I think they may rally. East Carolina looks good, no?

      The Redskins have the Vikings running game figured out and the Vikings don’t have their own passnig game figured out so it looks like everything’s turning up roses for the Redskins.

  43. emptywheel says:

    I was driving–in fairly abysmal weather, though likely the same stuff that the Giants beat Buffalo in–during the games. I’m out of the spoiler Eagle territory and into the Buffalo-disappointed even me-territory.

  44. Neil says:

    I turned it on just on time to see the Vike’s successful on-side kick, “soccer-style“! Have you ever seen the kicker tap it straight ahead like that?

  45. emptywheel says:

    THe on-side kick was pretty, though a proper on-side kick should pop as high on the first hop as that one did on the second hop.

    I don’t know why teams don’t just hire a halfway decent retired rugby Fly Half for such things, bc it is a fairly controllable skill.

  46. Neil says:

    bmaz et al, boise state has comeback to within 14. Chris Johnson may have to put EC on his back to win this one. Let’s hope so. I want to see that “I wouldn’t believe it unless I saw it myself” Boise State “never say die” gumption.

  47. Neil says:

    Let’s drop a dime and tell Scott Pioli and Bill Bilichek your insight. The Pats would be the first team in the NFL league with a Fly Half on the roster. Hey, remember last year when Bilichek sent Flutie out to kick the first “drop kick” PAT in league history? …so we know they’d be up for it. Better yet, do you play Fly Half, EW?

  48. MadDog says:

    I was coerced into leaving this over on Siun’s post at the Lake. Thought it might make your stomachs growl here while I watch my Vikes try to overcome the head start they gave the Skins.

    Hot Cheese Dip

    1 # ground beef
    1 Lg onion, chopped
    1 – 16oz can stewed tomatoes (drained) or same of diced tomatoes
    2 – 4oz can chopped green chilies
    2 # Velveeta
    Seasonings: Chili powder, chopped garlic, hot sauce and Tabasco sauce to taste.

    Saute ground beef and onions. Drain.
    Add stewed tomatoes and green chilies.
    Add the above to a microwaveable container.
    Cut cheese in square inch size pieces and add to the mixture.
    Add the seasonings.
    Place the container in the microwave and heat. I usually run it for 1 minute at at time at High and then take it out to stir the mixture. Continue to heat until the cheese is thoroughly melted.

    Keep warm in a crockpot on low heat.
    Serve with tortilla chips.

    Lastly, I usually downsize the ingredients for this recipe in 1/2 for the meat eaters. The other half I make with no ground beef and that seems to please the veggies in my family just fine. *g*

  49. Neil says:

    wonder if the Redskins get Collins fumble back due to vikes 12 players on the field or becuase collins was in motion before the snap.

  50. bmaz says:

    Woo Hoo! Looks like the Skins are going to win. My first correct prediction of this stinking gridiron day!

    Boise State making a game of it. I am still hot on this Chris Johnson kid for ECU; he is something else.

    • Neil says:

      Boise State making a game of it. I am still hot on this Chris Johnson kid for ECU; he is something else.

      Are you ready for some OT?

      Congrats on the Skins game. up 10, 2:00 left on defense at the 50.

  51. MadDog says:

    Well, we’re only down 11 now with 1:58 to go. I’m thinking of betting my lifesavings on the Vikes to win. Well, maybe just a dollar.

    • MadDog says:

      Don’t feel too bad. I long ago came to grips with the vagaries of life and Viking football. Both are inexplicable and not to be wagered upon. *g*

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