So, Why Were The US Attorneys Fired?

For so long now we have been eagerly awaiting the results on the DOJ IG/OPR investigation into the curious and unprecedented firing of nine US Attorneys by the Bush Administration. Heh, but will it ever really arrive? Will Karl Rove and Harriet Miers ever have to testify? Eh, I don’t know, you have to wonder after a while. One thing is clear though, just about all of the original explanations given by the Bush Administration have been discounted, if not disproved.

Much discussed are the cases of David Iglesias, Bud Cummins, Carol Lam and John McKay. But right now, I am more interested in three of the lesser discussed of the sacked USAs. Margaret Chiara, Tom Heffelfinger and Paul Charlton.

There have been many discussions, both here and across the blogosphere dissecting why these particular US Attorneys were fired. There have been many theories, and the bottom line is that there is probably no one grand unifying theory other than that the Bush Administration was manipulating the DOJ and the USA offices for various political hit jobs; i.e. multiple motivations. One of the ones we have gone into here is the interplay with Native American issues. And Chiara, Heffelfinger and Charlton were all, due to the nature of their physical jurisdictions, highly involved in Native American issues. Marcy has done recent posts calling into question the legitimacy of the stated basis for firing Chiara.

Over a year and a half has passed since Margaret Chiara was fired with a bunch of other US Attorneys–and we still have no good explanation why she was targeted. The apparent reason, though, is a rumor that she was having a gay relationship with an AUSA in her office, traveled with her on the government dime, and gave her preferential bonuses.

But today’s Monica Goodling report includes a denial from Chiara and the AUSA–Leslie Hagen–that they were in a relationship.

So, if the stated rationale for Chiara’s firing is in doubt, maybe we ought to give renewed consideration to the Native American aspects and implications. Marcy was on this early and hard with Native Americans And The USA Purge, Part I and Part II. Don’t hesitate to take a look back at those posts, they are pretty interesting.

The reason I come back to this area is that today’s Washington Post has a nice little article that similarly undercuts the stated rationale for the firing of Paul Charlton.

Justice Department officials have reversed course and approved a plea deal in a controversial death penalty case that may have prompted the firing of a U.S. attorney in Arizona nearly two years ago, according to court records and interviews.

Charlton had argued that the case was short on forensic evidence and was not suitable for what he called "the ultimate penalty." But officials in Washington overruled him in fall 2006, and he later became one of nine top prosecutors who were fired en masse that year. In congressional testimony last year, then-Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said Charlton’s reluctance to support the administration’s position on capital punishment in the case amounted to "poor judgment" and attracted criticism in the department’s political ranks.

It never made sense that Charlton was fired over one death penalty case up on the remote reservation. Charlton had never himself made any public issue of the case. And now the very acts of the Department of Justice give the lie to that as a basis for the firing of Paul Charlton. This plea deal would have been cut and the case over two years ago if Paul Charlton had not have been jerked around and then fired. The exact same factors mitigating against demand for the death penalty existed then as exist now. This plea deal in US v. Jose Rios Rico, was clearly the decision by the DOJ Main, who, when it was desired to fire Paul Charlton, had said something quite different:

In congressional testimony last year, then-Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said Charlton’s reluctance to support the administration’s position on capital punishment in the case amounted to "poor judgment" and attracted criticism in the department’s political ranks.

So he was fired according to Alberto Gonzales. Or, as has always been suspected, and as we have confirmed today by the WaPo’s reporting of the plea deal, not. So, why was Paul Charlton, not to mention the others, fired? It certainly was not the reasons testified to by Gonzales, Mercer, Sampson et. al testified to; will there be any repercussions for their false testimony? Where exactly is the IG/OPR Report anyway?

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  1. masaccio says:

    I think the most likely reason for the firings is independence. It was dangerous to the leadership to see people in positions of authority exercising the kind of leadership we usually see in US Attorneys. I know in this District, we have been fortunate to have had a string of local people, decent republicans and democrats, in that office. The exceptions were at least competent and because we are an out-of-the-way small area in a reliably republican state, we were not treated like more politically important districts.

    • sojourner says:

      I think you have nailed it… Anyone who is capable of independent thought is a threat to people like Bush and Cheney. Except, I get the feeling that there are other strings behind them that get pulled — possibly by higher-ups from the Republican Party or some other organization that we know nothing about. I was looking at John McCain the other day and the thought flew across my mind that, “Here is another puppet!” The man cannot remember what day of the week it is, much less how many houses he owns — but someone is sure pushing to make him President.

      Scary, huh?

      • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

        Maybe that’s the explanation for the USAG firings – including this one – but I popped on over to catch up with Crooks&Liars today, and noted an item on news that the Toobz Stevens investigation turned up a letter written by Richard B. Cheney Hisself to the Alaskan legislature re: ‘open up another oil/gas pipeline (it’s your patriotic duty)’.

        If I have the dots connected correctly**, VECO renovated Toobz’s home in order to ’show some appreciation’ for Toobz’s assistance in opening up (yet another!) gas pipeline deal. But Toobz couldn’t do it on his own, so he called Cheney for backup. Whereupon Cheney wrote a letter to the Alaskan legislature about how the nation needs more oil/gas pipelines.##

        So WTF is a VP doing writing a letter to lean on state legislators…?
        And the FBI has the letter, according to fleeting news reports — a letter that I’ve not actually taken time to track down. (I’m taking the reports at C&L and TPM on faith.)

        But it does remind me of the huge potential for Cheney to have been manipulating the Dept of Interior (Including Bureau of Indian Affairs, of which Alaska has a great deal of overlap!) contracts and/or leases. And does that fit in with a few of these DoJ firings…? Dunno, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t.

        I realize the USAG mentioned in this post isn’t connected to Alaska, but don’t the Navajos or someone down in AZ mine uranium? Do those fall under Dept of Interior/BIA regulation? Does DoJ have any authority…? (Sorry if I’m going too OT. Just thinking through parallels from the Toobz Stevens situation.)

        And sojourner, FWIW, I’m struck by the same thing that you are — that McCain is really looking like a puppet. Has he run for so long that he doesn’t know how ‘not to run’…? He’s surrounded by his lobbyist handlers, and given some of their prior clients I think that you make an **excellent** point — who’s pulling his strings? Who’s pulling the strings of his lobbyists…?

        So I’ll put up a link that I left in the past week or so for bmaz, re: how authoritarian regimes have been extremely successful in getting US CEOs (and, I’d add, ‘lobbyists’ and corporations) to lobby on behalf of their regimes and AGAINST traditional American interests. Might help you think about the number of ’string pullers’ — on ALL federal candidates:
        http://www.prospect.org/cs/art…..ign_agents

        ** No guarantee – my info is still sketchy.
        ## No mention of what kind of home renovation projects VECO did for Cheney, but WTF is Cheney doing leaning on the Alaskan legislature to open up more oil/gas in AK? (Jeebuz…)

        • bmaz says:

          Yes and not just that, but other minerals such as copper, and water rights are likely at issue too. I should know more on this, and I don’t.

          • LabDancer says:

            As MarieRoget suggests you’re in a better position than those like me who get to Scottsdale and Sedona once a year or so, and then to deliberately ‘get away’.

            But I’ve been assuming all along that Charlton being included in the Purge for the most had to do with Rienzi, who being a Republican Congressman, a likely candidate to head up the Arizona branch of the McCampaign & to succeed McCain were the latter elected- & even if not- and that any other bases were red herrings. The reason I’ve been so comfortable with that assumption is that, despite all the leaping cholla & lack of water, its been my impression that Arizona politics turn first, second and last on real estate deals, particularly three ways IE land swaps involving private interests, state leases & trusts & federal leases & reserves [Many years back I was accused of acting for some folks into that- actually both those- disturbingly more in an admiring rather than condemnatory way. But I’ve never been into either sort so its all just memories – though least I saw a lot some great roundball & oblongball & even a few at my own far more modest level].

            That impression wasn’t diminished, to say the least, by indications from sources like Wikipedia of Charlton receiving in essence high marks from DOJ Main- indeed for me the picture of his office having exceeded Bushie quotas on issues such as using voter rolls to go after “illegals” [and their land] pretty much put it on ice.

            But your post implies there was something else involved- something even more of a mortal sin than going after a member of the loyal order of Bushies for corruption- so I have to think: Was someone concerned that chasing after offered a chance of stumbling into a varmint hole with the fingerprints of a certain presumptive president all over it?

            But again- as MarieRoget observes if it wasn’t for tinfoil tourists like me would have nothin’.

            • LabDancer says:

              Oops- missed bmaz @ 16. So the answer is “Yes I think there’s more” but what as to what it might be, well, if it put him on the Purge list then Mission Accomplished … So Far.

              As an aside- I guess you’re saying there’s some overlap of “stand up guy” with “generally compliant Bush tool”.

              • bmaz says:

                Well, Paul is a loyal Republican, comes from a family of them, but he is honest and competent to a fault; so that by definition puts him outside of the realm of being a loyal Bushie. Parts of his family are close to McCain and John Kyl and I think that is how he got appointed. There is no question but that he would not put up with a bunch of political intermeddling in his USA office. The question is what was the thing or things that got him canned. Renzi is possible, but the prosecution did continue; although it did slow down for a while. It was something though, and I would sure like to know what.

                • MarieRoget says:

                  Wouldn’t we all like to know what the hell reason there was to toss in the ash can loyal Repubs whose influential families had rallied support to the party like Charlton’s, or the McKays In WA, for that matter. Didn’t pass the personal loyalty test to Chimpie in accordance w/Rove’s thumb on the balance scale, so they were told to take a hike, I guess.
                  Besides Charlton’s too-close-for-someone’s-comfort watch on all matters under Fed care re: AZ reservations, how about the almost investigation into Jim Kolbe, or perhaps a matter involving Op Lively Green.

                  Probably never know, will we. Maybe Charlton or parties still in the AZ USA office don’t either, although I’m doubting that @ this point.

                  BBL

        • sojourner says:

          Your term — “handlers” — is really right on the mark…I get the feeling that so long as McCain more or less stays on the message and does not begin to drool or forget his name, then he is their candidate. I would love to know more about the “machine” that is at work. I brought this up a couple of years ago on one of Marcy’s posts — there are a lot of moving parts that have been beautifully coordinated to pull it all off. Of course, a few cogs slipped somehow and things began to come unraveled but there is still a concerted effort to just pretend that there is nothing wrong and it will all go away.

          Something else that has been bugging me a lot that is not necessarily new news, but our traditional news media have done an awfully good job of “dumbing down” the public at large by ignoring the truth. When I was in Journalism school, we had some large discussions about Newton Minew’s “Vast Wasteland” speech. The airwaves continue to be a vast wasteland, and it is getting worse. They live for soundbites — and the print media don’t have the time or the patience, it seems, to get it right.

          Thus, we have an informational vacuum in which no one dares to challenge the BS, and the public at large has been dumbed down and really does not give a rip about what is happening…

          • LabDancer says:

            I’ve seen, met and dealt with quite a few very able politicians & judges [there is still some atavistic evidence of difference] years even a decade or more older than McCain, none of whom gave off his ‘difficulties’. They’re of the type where if its your mom or dad folks sidle up to you with compliments about how well they’re doing “considering” & a good deal of implied sympathy for what you must be going through. I’ve seen a couple of netrooter posts written in a way that don’t just suggest but proceed off the assumption that he has some serious ‘limitations’, how to exploit them & where to draw the line between showing respect for one’s elders & throwing the country on the pyre to join his carcass as if in some Gooperdammerung.

            Interesting how some many of his enablers are about the right age to have learned from Bringing Up Ronnie and later from their own parents.

            • sojourner says:

              If I were a sci-fi writer writing my great best seller, the neo-cons are the “new way.” The “elders” like McCain are given symbolic respect in public while the wheels of the new way grind away under the surface.

              I had the privilege years back of working with some very prominent politicians, as well. Goldwater, Long, Humphrey… They were true “elder statesmen” who would fight the good fight — but it did not have to be personal. They could truly work with each other and the others’ political party.

              No more… someone is playing for keeps — and the only way is the “new” way. It is truly scary. Those of us who have spent more than 50 years in this life learning our lessons know nothing… It no longer matters what we believe in — if it does not parallel with the “new” way, it does not matter.

        • bobschacht says:

          Maybe bmaz has been too busy to respond to this:

          I realize the USAG mentioned in this post isn’t connected to Alaska, but don’t the Navajos or someone down in AZ mine uranium?

          You’re a few decades behind– most of the worst of that mining was during and after WWII. However, the issue is “ongoing“.

          Tony Hillerman has written one of his novels with Navajo Uranium mining as a backdrop for the story.

          Bob in HI

  2. stryder says:

    In reference to the $200 bil nais suit,did the tribes retain the rights to future revenues on the leases or did they lose them too?

      • Boston1775 says:

        I don’t know.
        I am simply obsessed. I can’t let it go.
        From the moment I understood this, it’s been my nagging corner of my mind obsession.
        There can be no justice.
        How can there be justice in a country where it’s so much worse than the firing of the US Attorneys?
        They’re dead.
        Jesus Christ, they’re dead.
        A bullet in the head.
        A suicide with knife wounds in the back and mutilated genitals…and hands.
        And two crazy microbial deaths
        Of hardworking, Texas Assistant US Attorneys. Women.
        Thelma Quince Colbert
        Shannon K. Ross

        Do you think for one minute that I’d recommend that my best friend’s only son, great law student, go into this field? Never.
        Never.
        The deaths of at least four Assistant US Attorneys is what I’d talk about.

        Someone better want to solve these murders.
        I am not alone.
        I would never put a loved one’s life in situations such as what the Bush Administration has caused.

        He has ruined the concept of justice.

        If these murders can’t be solved, no murders can be solved.

        • greenharper says:

          Thanks for remembering the murdered (or, shall we say, apparently murdered) N.D. Tex. Assistant U.S. Attorneys. Their deaths haunt me, too. I prosecuted there on a detail many years ago, probably before any of them was in the office. They deserved, and deserve, better. So do the American people whom they served.

  3. Peterr says:

    Heh, but will it ever really arrive? Will Karl Rove and Harriet Miers ever have to testify?

    No.

    No.

    This has been another edition of the “Double Down” version of Simple Answers to Simple Questions.

  4. ScrewBush says:

    IMHO there are only two considerations, covering up past crimes, and paving the way for new ones. No expert here, but I believe each USA showed some sign of not being a Loyal Bushie. In some way they were not on board with either completely ignoring a Bush/GOP crime already committed — like GOP governor, senator, representative, key doner gone wild, or were not deemed trustworthy enough to cover up the future crimes necessary to throw the next election their way, like voter caging, timely prosecution of political rivals and their doners regardless of any crimes being committed, and many other illegal acts. This is whats Karl knows the GOP needs to level the playing field: they have to rig the system or they lose.

  5. MarieRoget says:

    Of course Paul Charlton was too independent & questioned main DoJ on matters they wanted to have him rubber stamp. Anyone who knows the Charlton family (you have said you do, bmaz) also knows Paul Kip Charlton is congenitally incapable of doing otherwise. At the time the firings came to light another reason proffered was Charlton’s push for the FBI to come into the 21st century & tape interviews/confessions, citing his office having to plead down & sometimes lose cases involving child molestation taking place on reservations.

    Renzi & that can of worms was detailed by TPMM @ the time. Via carpetbagger:

    As Josh Marshall explained, there’s a great connection to the prosecutor purge scandal that the other investigations lack.
    Purged US Attorney Paul Charlton was talking to House investigators this afternoon when he made an important revelation. Weeks before election day 2006, word leaked to the press in Arizona that Charlton’s office was investigating Renzi. Renzi’s top aide Brian Murray then called Charlton’s office and asked Charlton’s spokesman, Wyn Hornbuckle.
    Unlike what happened with David Iglesias, Charlton’s chief investigator did report the contact to the Department of Justice, as DOJ regs dictate.
    Now, here’s the key: after all Congress’s document and information requests to DOJ, the Justice Department had not revealed the Renzi-Charlton contact. For some reason, they’ve held that back. The AP sources that to a House Judiciary Committee official and I’ve also confirmed with House Judiciary investigators that the DOJ failed to give this information to congressional investigators….

    [B]asically what we have here is a classic scandal harmonic convergence — new nuggets about the Renzi scandal and the revelation that another of the US Attorney firings may be tied to an investigation of a Republican lawmaker. At a minimum, the DOJ has concealed critical information about the story.
    And one other detail to add to the mix. Remember that two weeks after his dismissal, Charlton emailed his superiors at the Department of Justice asking how to handle questions over whether his firing was tied to his investigation of Rep. Renzi (R-AZ).
    This week, Renzi asked the NRCC to drop his name from the Republicans’ top campaign program to protect vulnerable incumbents, “a clear sign that he is considering a resignation from Congress.”

    (Oh, but there’s so much more to Charlton’s add-on to the firing list, isn’t there. Everything BushCo’s DoJ didn’t like about his eagle eye on rez happenings, for instance. Maybe you can supply the multitudinous links, bmaz, or I can start to when I get back from visiting my daughter’s new home in Huntington Beach)

    • bmaz says:

      I am not sure that is Renzi either though. May be a part, but the investigation was never squelched in the AZ-USA office under the temp head Dan Knauss, and they have Renzi under indictment now and headed to trial. Perhaps they needed it slowed down or something, I dunno. Charlton was, and is, a stand up guy; he was a superb US Attorney in all respects. There will be a big investigative work on Renzi coming out soon, I have talked to the journalist doing it, and I think it will be good. That might have a couple of answers in it, but not as to Charlton, Paul just won’t talk.

  6. 4jkb4ia says:

    I wanted to make sure that bmaz had seen this NYT article on the records of granting asylum of 18 of the immigration judges who were vetted by Goodling and Co. Half of the judges were more strict, and the denial rate of all the judges put together is 6.6 % greater than the other immigration judges.

  7. PetePierce says:

    I have long asserted that a component of the Goodling and Sampson participation, Goodling’s insidious mentor Barbara Comstock–an appropriate partner for the hideous Victoria Toensig was putting incompetent people who had no litigation experience whatsoever in a federal court nor in immigration hearings vetted by Goodling.

    I have insisted this for two years, and a study quoted and analyzed by Charlie Savage supports what I’ve been saying. Law review statistical analyses have shown for example that in cases with identical fact patterns, that an “Immigration judge” they call them “judges” in the Southern District of Florida gave asylum in 95% of the cases where there was credible establishment that the immigrant would be tortured, hurt badly, or most likely killed after the first two if not given asylum. In contrast, in the Northern District of Georgia whose inexperienced judges sit in and live in Atlanta, asylum in the same situations was only granted 5% of the time–a diametrically opposed stat.

    These were plum and purely political appointments with the nitwit who should never have gotten into law school Goodling, the mommy.

    Purely and simple lawyers often with as crappy a background as Goodling who had never litigated were polled as to whether they were loyal Bushies, and the proceeded to Katrina the Immigration bench with attorneys who appear before them saying that they were clueless as to immigration law, a courtroom, the issues or even how the process was supposed to work. These incompetents putt their butts on the Immigration bench and they make from $105,000 to $160,000 a year for knowning nothing about their job, and having had no prior experience doing it.

    Vetted Judges More Likely to Reject Asylum Bids

    WASHINGTON — Immigrants seeking asylum in the United States have been disproportionately rejected by judges whom the Bush administration chose using a conservative political litmus test, according to an analysis of Justice Department data.

    The data focuses on 16 judges who were vetted for political affiliation before being hired and have since ruled on at least 100 cases each.

    Comparison of their records to others in the same cities shows that as a group they ruled against asylum-seekers significantly more often than colleagues who were appointed, as the law requires, under politically neutral rules.

    Critics of the politicization of the immigration bench say it is not enough that in 2007 the department stopped using illegal hiring procedures. The fact that many of the politically selected judges remain in power, they say, continues to undermine the perceived fairness of hearings for immigrants fighting deportation.

    The immigration court “is now the seat of individuals who were appointed illegally, and that means that in the minds of many people the court symbolizes illegality,” said Bruce Einhorn, a Pepperdine University law professor who was an immigration judge from 1990 until he retired last year.

    The report covering the selection of immigration judges primarily blamed Kyle Sampson, a former top aide to the attorney general, and two former White House liaisons to the department, Monica M. Goodling and Jan Williams, for the practice.

    The Justice Department employs more than 200 immigration judges in more than 50 courts around the country. They conduct hearings for noncitizens asking not to be deported, including asylum-seekers who say they fear religious or political persecution.

    Although called “judges,” the hearing examiners are not confirmed by the Senate for life; they are covered by federal civil-service laws, which stipulate that they must be hired on the basis of merit under politically neutral criteria. But in early 2004, political appointees took control of hiring the judges away from career professionals and essentially began treating the positions — which carry salaries of $104,300 to $158,500 — as patronage jobs. They screened out liberals and Democrats, while steering openings to White House-vetted “Bush loyalists” and other job-seekers vouched for by Republican political appointees.

    Among the judges selected were a member of the 2000 Bush-Cheney Florida recount team, people who worked for Republican lawmakers and a former Republican state official in Illinois backed by Karl Rove, at the time the White House political adviser.

    In 2007, after the Civil Division questioned the legality of the process, the administration changed back to a nonpolitical selection method handled by career professionals.

    But in the interim 31 immigration judges had been appointed by the flawed process. The Justice Department did not challenge a list of those judges submitted by The New York Times.

    Of that group, 28 remain judges, two left during a probationary period, and one was recently promoted by Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey to the Board of Immigration Appeals, the panel that hears appeals of rulings.

    The inspector general’s report did not evaluate how the politically selected judges have used their power. The additional data comes from Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, a research group at Syracuse University that has analyzed Justice Department records from the 2002 fiscal year to 2007 and profiled immigration judges

    Of the 31 politically selected judges, 16 compiled enough of a record to allow statistical analysis. Nine rejected applicants at a significantly higher rate than other local colleagues, while three were more lenient. Four others decided cases in line with the local averages, an analysis by The Times showed.

    And when asylum denial rates of all judges across the nation were ranked in comparison to their local peers, 8 of the 16 scored above the 70th percentile — meaning they have been among the judges least likely to grant asylum.

    Together, these 16 judges handled 5,031 cases and had a combined denial rate of 66.3 percent — 6.6 percentage points greater than their collective peers. This translates into an extra 157 asylum cases that resulted in denial.

    In Houston, for example, Judge Chris Brisack denied asylum in 90.7 percent of his cases, while other judges in that city averaged a 79.1 percent denial rate. Judge Brisack, a former Republican county chairman who also works in the oil business, did not return a call.

    Garry Malphrus, the judge later elevated to the Board of Immigration Appeals, denied asylum 66.9 percent of the time, compared with an average denial rate of 58.3 percent among other judges at his court in Arlington, Va. Judge Malphrus, a former associate director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, did not return a call.

    The highest gap belonged to Judge Earle Wilson. He worked first in Miami, where he denied 88.1 percent of asylum requests — 9.8 percentage points higher than the local average. He then moved to Orlando, where his denial rate was 80.3 percent — 29.2 percentage points higher than peers.

    Judge Wilson, who previously worked in the Office of Immigration Litigation at the Justice Department, said he was not allowed to give interviews.

    Mr. Fine also noted that the judges could not be fired because they were now protected by civil-service statutes — the same laws violated when they were selected.

    At that hearing, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, expressed frustration about the lack of remedies.

    “The so-called ‘loyal Bushies’ that they stuffed into these positions will also have gotten away with it and will be there essentially indefinitely, protected by civil-service protections that they don’t deserve,” Mr. Whitehouse said.

    Stephen H. Legomsky, an immigration law professor at Washington University in St. Louis, said the attorney general should reassign the judges to nonadjudicatory positions at the same pay, which would not violate civil-service rules.

    Dana Marks, an immigration judge in San Francisco and the president of the judges’ union, said her organization opposed reassigning its new members.

    “We are confident that many of the people hired under this process are excellent judges,” said Judge Marks, who was appointed in 1987, “and should not be penalized for having been hired under a process that they had no control over at the time, that some of them may not even have known was irregular or inappropriate.”

    In other words, Judge Marks likes the plum job, and she doesn’t give a rat’s ass that people are doing the job who had no prior experience whatsoever litigating immigration law. When Judge Marks gets sick, I wonder if she wants a doctor who has never seen a patient?

    • LabDancer says:

      From your quote: “At that hearing, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, expressed frustration about the lack of remedies.

      “The so-called ‘loyal Bushies’ that they stuffed into these positions will also have gotten away with it and will be there essentially indefinitely, protected by civil-service protections that they don’t deserve,” Mr. Whitehouse said.”

      This view, engaging as it does, one of the more insidious tools of keeping the country perpetually under a layer of GOOP, is more than partisan hyperbole. Absent a process which starts with impeachment, the only way to deal with this & the far larger infestation of which this is symptomatic, is some sort of ongoing ‘truth & reconciliation’ commission as happened in South Africa with apartheid.

      And a really BIG one- with the power to choose between reconciliation & consequences and a set of clearly written comprehensive ‘values’ to keep the process in line. Sort of Joe McCarthy’s Committee on Un-American Activities but sort of in reverse.

      And since its the ONLY way to deal with the problem, the Obama Administration is being forced to choose between being accused of Liberal McCarthyism [to which Pantload Goldberg will be able to claim he called it], or leaving it be [like a termite infection- always a good option right?].

      I’d love to be convinced otherwise.

  8. WilliamOckham says:

    What if the real motivation behind firing the U.S. attorneys was to take control of the hiring of AUSAs? At the time that they were fired, Goodling was reviewing the resumes of all AUSA hires under interim USAs. The real payoff was in getting as many ‘loyal Bushies’ installed in career positions where the next administration couldn’t fire them.

  9. jackie says:

    Another good thing about Joe Biden being picked for VP is his son (the one in the military) is also a DA(?), so maybe some more light will be heading that way soon….

  10. mjvpi says:

    When reading all of the stuff that comes up when talking of the firing of US Attorneys, it really leaves me thinking about the ones who were keeping their jobs, maybe even advancing. The US attorney for Montana was serving in that position as well as a higher up position in Washington. Ex Sen, Burns (MT-R) was the largest recipient of money from Jack Abromoff,but the investigation never made it that far. Hmmm…… We are getting a peek at what got people fired, but what did the USAs do who kept their jobs?

  11. bmaz says:

    I had missed that. Like I said before, I fully admit to not knowing enough about the answer to this question. Bob’s answer and the linked story are right as far as I know. There is still some mining. I think there is also an issue of natural gas deposits that may be coming into play.

    • oboblomov says:

      Is there some reason that no one mentions coal, and the long standing Hopi-Navajo “Land Dispute?” Water is also a big issue on those reservations. (Tony Hillerman mentioned the Navajo relocation from Black Mesa in his novels, but there are far more coherent accounts in print. I’d suggest David Brugge’s Navajo-Hopi Land Dispute, and Jerry Kammer’s The Second Long Walk.)

      I recollect that either 2002 or 2004 Karl Rove interviewed Wayne Taylor, then the Hopi Tribal Chairman, as a prospective candidate for congress (sorry I don’t have a link — I’ll continue to hunt for it. Guess that would be the slot that Renzi filled. Wasn’t that a new congressional seat designed to split the Navajo vote?)

      Anyway, for AZ and Charlton, think about coal, water, Hopi & Navajo.

      • bobschacht says:

        Is there some reason that no one mentions coal, and the long standing Hopi-Navajo “Land Dispute?”

        An oversight, for sure. Brings to mind the old John Prine song, Muhlenburg County. Peabody Coal Company is the villain on Hopi Land, as elsewhere.

        “Then the coal company came with the world’s largest shovel,
        They tortured the timber and stripped all the land,
        They mined for the coal until the land was forsaken,
        and wrote it all down to the progress of Man.”

        I’d suggest David Brugge’s Navajo-Hopi Land Dispute.

        I second that recommendation. David is an old friend, and a careful scholar widely respected by the Navajo.

        Bob in HI

        • oboblomov says:

          Yes, I also like the John Prine song, and also know David Brugge but probably not as well as you. (His son, Doug, works at Tufts Medical School where I used to work.) You and I probably have many interests in common. I have spent the last 12 years puzzling over the situation on Black Mesa and have many friends (some now dead) there. Since this interest is probably largely OT at this blog you can write to me if you like at [email protected] I’d enjoy discussing our experiences on Black Mesa.

          __________

          I herewith publish a retraction of my statement last night implying that AZ congressional districts were gerrimandered to split Navajo votes. They have been gerrymandered (for some time I guess) to separate Hopi from Navajo voters. Most Navajos are in District 1 while Hopi is connected by an umbilical cord to District 2 that includes some of western Phoenix.

          As for my search to validate that then Hopi Tribal Chairman Wayne Taylor met with Karl Rove in 2002 to discuss the congressional race I found this deposition of Rove aid (ca. 2002) Ruben Barrales by the House Committee on Oversight & Gov Reform taken on July 11, 2007. Taylor is referenced on pp 34-35 & pp 74-75 regarding an itinerary for him in DC Feb 20-28, 2002.

          It does not leave me with evidence that Taylor & Rove met then, however there are four heavily redacted meetings. And the document is truncated at Feb 25 with three remaining days unaccounted for. (Why would HCOGR do this? What would warrant redaction? and are they just sloppy or is the truncation another form of unwarranted redaction?)

          There were multiple purposes for the trip – including first and foremost on the 21st (an optional) meeting at Greenberg Traurig, and a meeting with Barrales at the Old Executive Office Building. The day closed with a Wizards v. Nets game and most of the confirmed attendees’ names are redacted. Taylor also attended NCAI meetings starting the evening of Feb 22nd.

          Plenty of opportunity to have met with Rove, but no proof. This trip and the deposition would appear to be related to the Abramoff scandals. Strangely, after entering the (partial) Taylor itinerary into evidence the HCOGR doesn’t ask Barrales anything about it other than to verify that Taylor and Barrales met.

          So how did I get the idea that Taylor met Rove to discuss his running for congress. I read it some where in 2002, probably in Tutuveni the Hopi newspaper and what stuck in my mind at the time was what a big deal it was that Taylor was being considered by Rove to run for Congress. What happened, of course, was that Republican Trent Franks ran for that seat in 2002 and remains in Congress.

  12. Loo Hoo. says:

    Speaking of mining, there’s controversy in Alaska.

    HOMER, Alaska — Salmon and gold mining. Both are, inarguably, very Alaskan.

  13. PetePierce says:

    This is the law review I was referring to that predated Charlie Savage’s article about lawyers who know nothing about immigration law getting plum jobs as immigration judes if Monica Goodling, Kyle Sampson, and Jan Willisms vetted these mushbrains as “good bushies” and didn’t find any key search words that were adverse using the google.

    What it means is that the Three Stooges, Goodling, Sampson, and Williams helped kill, maim, and torture thousands of immigrants who have needed asylum.

    The dead wood like Judge Dana Marks that don’t want to purge them since the were in fact illegally appointed, are complicit in the torture and killing. Nothing like federal “judges” who are protecting illegal appointments.

    The immigration court “is now the seat of individuals who were appointed illegally, and that means that in the minds of many people the court symbolizes illegality,” said Bruce Einhorn, a Pepperdine University law professor who was an immigration judge from 1990 until he retired last year.

    Charles H. Kuck, the president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said all the judges, regardless of their qualifications, should reapply for their jobs alongside other applicants.

    “Any judge who was appointed through a process that was not impartial should step down and go through the process again to make sure they should be reappointed,” Mr. Kuck said.

    Already, several immigration lawyers said they were considering invoking constitutional due-process rights to ask for new hearings for clients turned down by the politically selected judges, although people who have already been deported would most likely be ineligible for that.

    The abstract of the Stanford Law Review article “Refugee Roulette: Disparities in Asylum Adjudication ” is here:


    Refugee Roulette: Disparities in Asylum Adjudication

    • LabDancer says:

      This and your previous response on the same subject suggest an answer to my invitation @ 26.

      There being no other responses, I propose to proceed in the manner of Radio Rush and invite the “indisputably best source of incisive excellence on this pressing issue” to explicate.

      QUESTION: I have Professor Bolten Head of Faber College School of Law and Animal Husbandry on line two – welcome sir. Professor as my millions of devoted dittoheads know I am a man of many and vast parts, but none as it happens of the legal beagle sort, so I would appreciate your putting in as close to humanese as you are able to the exact nature of the dilemma that apparently is would confront Barack Hussein Obama should he be admitted to the White House through the front door. And permit me sir if you will to first attempt to frame the supposed dilemma as I perceive it.

      Put simply as I understand the ways things are, there would be only two alternatives, and no more than two, and that those two would mean he would face what is known as a Hobson’s choice, between on the one hand choosing to forgive the thousands of dedicated civil servants their only sin of supporting their president-

      and on the other Obama actually abandoning his grandiose rhetorical vision of a post-partisan America completely, thereby forever branding himself and everyone connected to his administration and indeed to his party – and furthermore opening up his “kind” if I may refer to … well I may be putting myself at risk for saying so but it’s just sitting out there waiting to be said: permanently coloring the whole inventory of those who apparently missed out on getting inoculated against an outbreak of rampant Obamania-

      by appointing his very own Grand Inquisitor- ritually confirmed by Reed and Leahy and the rest of his Democrat cohorts & pals from his brief visit to the Senate- who would thereafter execute on a deliberate design – such as arranging to lure every single federal employee who happened to have commenced his or her public service at any time after twelve noon on January twentieth two thousand – I’m not just talking about lawyers and budget experts and medicos in the Health department but right down to the typing pool & the janitorial staff- to lure all of them out to Roswell New Mexico from whence they would be bussed or marched or whatever to some remote part of the desert – whereupon the Inquisitor would put to each and every one of them some abomination of Satan’s three temptations of Jesus no doubt developed in the dungeons of the Soros Institute and voted on by the moonbattery of netnuts at Fire Dog Lake and the Daily Kos, and to complete the picture Arianna Huffington serving in the role of Mme Defarge-

      is that about the size and shape of it sir?

      RESPONSE: You seem to have a firm grasp on this – frankly I don’t think I would wish to improve on how you have put it.

      But actually I think there may be another alternative, one for which there exists quite an impressive body of precedent among executive branch directives and findings and orders, and none of them appear to have been ever condemned or challenged or even questioned by Congress.

      By way of exemplification, it appears open for the next president to borrow, foregive me for referring to here so crudely, liberally, from as few as just two previous administrations, one Republican of course but also one Democratic, to preserve if you will the bi-partisan character of such a robust initiative.

      Upon being sworn into office the new commander in chief could issue a presidential finding that all the hires of the immediately preceding administration are presumptively incompetent, so much so that their continuing in office constitutes an exceptional danger to national security, then arrange with Congress to pass as expeditiously as possible something in the same vein as the military tribunal system currently in use in GTMO.

      As to each major component essential to instituting such a program, and ensuring its legal viability, neither of the two components in this example would bear anything approaching the kind of objective offensiveness to American sensibilities which have come to be associated with by its respective historical precedent.

      In the case of the former the precedent would be President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s internment policy during World War Two applying only to American citizens of Japanese descent. In the case of the latter, its probably sufficient to note that the fact remains, despite the failure of the current administration to succeed in completely stopping a bare majority of the Supreme Court from forcing some parts of habeas corpus on the GTMO facility, the President has unquestionably succeeded in establishing the authority of the administration in setting up a parallel adjudicative system, as long as its jurisdiction is framed in terms of an area of exclusive executive branch authority.

      It also suggests that presidents enjoy a prerogatory power in being able to set up a parallel adjudicative system with exclusive jurisdiction over receiving and resolving individual challenges to the presidential finding based on claims of personal hardship and other effects.

      Now, it seems possible, and I’ve actually heard some people say its clearly the case, that many of the individuals who fall into this category, that fall under that kind of presidential finding, are pretty much unemployable outside of the sorts of brutally demanding jobs that typically get done by migrants and itinerants. I also heard Senator McCain say a few months ago that Americans are just not unequipped to do those sorts of jobs.

      So if for no other reason than a president Obama presumably would feel quite motivated to avoid looking as heartless and reflexively partisan as the current president, I would expect his administration to go to Capital Hill and get Congress to pass a law that establishes a system for handing some very possibly reasonable claims that some of the federal employees affected by such a finding would want to make.

      I’m not saying that the Bush administration would ever hire a Democrat or even an independent, not consciously,; but for instance, I could foresee someone fired for presumptive incompetence wanting to claim that it worked a particular hardship on him because he was actually qualified to do his job and the job itself didn’t hold any scope for expressing political partisanship. And I can certainly see a Democratic administration wanting to give that guy a place to go to file his claim and to hear him out on trying to rebut the presumption in the presidential finding; Democrats tend to think if they look like they’re treating everyone the same then that’s going to result in more votes. Logically if he succeeds in doing that he’s going to want a chance to prove how much he lost and get a ruling that forces the administration that took his job away from him to pay him that in compensation, and again Democrats tend to go for things like that.

      At the same time though, I would expect someone like Obama is pretty aware of how twenty years out of the last twenty eight under Republican presidents has resulted in the federal courts being packed with Republican appointees, and the obvious dangers in allowing them an easy shot at crippling and embarrassing his administration. So I would expect an Obama administration would want to capitalize on the model presented by the Bush administration’s GTMO military tribunals, and also to take advantage of an opportunity to improve on that model by refraining from actually detaining any of the affected individuals. If I were consulted on this, certainly if it was by a Democratic administration at least I would expect to urge very strongly that not detaining has the benefit of avoiding most if not all of the panopoly of substantive procedures developed by the judicial branch over the last two hundred and thirty years, procedures that have proved to bring about a vast number of publicly available opinions and decisions which on the whole have worked to limit executive branch power, and moreover to cause a great deal of embarrassment to presidential legacies.

      Lastly I think its worthwhile observing that for a lot of our history it was assumed that it was necessary to start out any serious effort to reform government policy and programs by considering what if any limitations might be presented by the Constitution, whether in providing some role to another branch, or identifying and purporting to guarantee some “inalienable” individual right.

      However throughout the entire current millenium no great difficulty has been encountered in finding ways to avoid the Constitution, particularly insofar as its practical implications are concerned. If I were asked for it, my advice would be that it probably remains important for maintaining public confidence and support to try as much as possible to stay with the forms provided under the Constitution, but apart from that I don’t see any reason to lose a lot of sleep over it.

      QUESTION: Now sir – I have sat here and listened with what you are bound to concede has been a remarkable demonstration of patience; but to my untrained ear all this sounds to me that any decent red-blooded American would be forced to sit back helplessly while a President Obama presides over the commission of an outrage upon thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of loyal patriotic hard working American workers – and leaves me unable to conceive of why a Republican in Congress would ever be motivated to forebear from resorting to filibuster. I am prepared to be enlightened.

      RESPONSES: Well – I think I understand where you’re coming from in saying that, and as to what position Congressional Republicans might have on this and what strategies they might resort to in trying to oppose it – all that something I’d expect you to be far ahead of me on and quite literally I think its more up to you than me.

      But as to the matter of its political viability, in a philosophical sense if you will I would have thought that Congressional Republicans would be loathe to interfere with a process that extends executive branch authority beyond the reach of the judicial branch and relieves Congress of some much of its legislative burden, thereby freeing its members for more pressing business such as ensuring re-election and arranging benefit packages for their retirement.

      QUESTION: All valid points I readily concede. But answer me this: If 8 years worth of hires by one particular administration can be so easily undone by an incoming president, on a presidential finding invoking national security, what then would stand in the way of his using the same vehicle to proceed to fire not just the hires of his immediate predecessor, but each and every single employee no matter how long they’ve been on the federal payroll?

      RESPONSE: Theoretically- nothing.

      QUESTION: ……. Well ……. that is …. enlightening and inspiring!

      Professor Bolten Head, while I feel an irresistible urge to tell you I would feel one whole heck of a lot more comforted by that view if it had come from the mouth of, say, Justice Scalia, I now see your point, not to mention the possibilities, and I feel sure that if my listeners do not, I am fully equipped to explain it to them. I trust you will agree to share your insights with us again and I thank you.

      • PetePierce says:

        Lab Dancer–

        I’m going to be working pretty intensely for the rest of the noon and some of the evening/meetings, etc.

        I saw the question mark from you but honestly didn’t understand the question. You are a bright, imaginative, creative writer and I don’t doubt you have all the legal exprience you have said you do, but sometimes (I’ll take the blame) I can’t understand some of what you say and that question you posed I wasn’t ducking. I couldn’t understand it so I am sorry I couldn’t answer it.

        When I finish what I have to do the rest of the day/evening I will come back and read your comments again and try to answer anything you asked to the best of my ability.

        Cheers.

      • PetePierce says:

        And since its the ONLY way to deal with the problem, the Obama Administration is being forced to choose between being accused of Liberal McCarthyism [to which Pantload Goldberg will be able to claim he called it], or leaving it be [like a termite infection- always a good option right?].

        We have Mukasey who is worthless and doing a lot of damage to the Constitution, and entrenched DOJsters who helped protect the firings that Rove and others orchestrated by hijacking DOJ and they will do nothing. This is obvious in every move they make, including a filing the other day of a motion including a tape exhibit connected to Cheney with DOJ surgically and intentionally refusing to ID Cheney.

        If I were Obama, I’d vet the people who need confirmation at DOJ and I’d personally fire career people like “Yoda” Margolis, the spiteful pig who helped every part of the coverups at DOJ and protected Goodling, Sampson, and Jan Williams.

        I’d make sure the firing of all this scum at OLC and Main Justice was as traumatic as possible, as public as possible and I’d assign somone in my WH counsel’s office to make sure that state bars who never touch any lawyer employed by justice despite the code section that is intact to do just that to make sure to publicly spotlight each and every bar and stand on their necks until they go after this scum with disciplinary action. I’d prosecute many of them under 18USC 1001 and they are not indemnified by any civil service legislation from that. It’s simply lack of will, and blatant Mukasey obfuscation.

        Roswell New Mexico sounds like a good place to render them–and constructing an alligator pit to slowly lower them into is a nice touch.

        I would force all political Immigration “judges” to resign effective immediately and I’d put a public spotlight on the bitch, Dana Marks, who represents them as “president of the judge’s union” –I did not know that these immigration idiots had a union, and call her the killer and torturer that she is. I’d make sure her name is a household word.

        However throughout the entire current millenium no great difficulty has been encountered in finding ways to avoid the Constitution, particularly insofar as its practical implications are concerned. If I were asked for it, my advice would be that it probably remains important for maintaining public confidence and support to try as much as possible to stay with the forms provided under the Constitution, but apart from that I don’t see any reason to lose a lot of sleep over it.

        It’s not been necessary to preserve any part of the Constitution for public confidence because the public doesn’t give a rat’s ass or have a clue what the Constitution is–the pubic is in sympathy with the assholes who told Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher that the stork delivered them to the ATT-Blue Dog Dem soiree and they didn’t know anything about why they were there, how they got there, or who brought them there, and you, the unwashed hippie, don’t need to know anything about it either.

  14. Rayne says:

    bmaz — sorry not to pop in sooner; EW and I had several exchanges about all of the USA’s purged in Dec 2006, in which we kicked the tires on any commonalities between these folks that might have motivated their common termination.

    With the exception of Chiara, all of them had an exposure to an Enron case.
    All of them had tribal lands within their states.
    All of them had gambling of some sort within their states.
    All of them were located in an area designated by FERC in some way as part of the “energy corridor”.
    Five of the eight were in the 9th District, perceived as most liberal of federal courts.
    Two of them may have been perceived as gay.

    I had not finished my assessment of any Abramoff exposures — but there was a unique one in Arizona, in the Bayou Fund case that was prosecuted by the STATE AG and not the feds for some reason unclear to me as a non-lawyer/layperson. (Bayou looked like a very exotic proof-of-concept money laundering operation that could move tens of millions…)

    I’m sure if I spent more time on this, there’s more about Charlton’s case that should raise flags. The Renzi situation should have been enough to warrant more thorough research.

  15. JohnLopresti says:

    I glanced at some of the writings online in the material cause case cited in the original post. While also agreeing with most of the reviews in the thread, as well, I thought of adding yet another international component, as the activity in which JRR was involved according to the extant descriptions of that case, might have impact in cash cleaning in yet another part of the globe, viz., Afghanistan, as JRR’s endeavor appears to be much like the sideline of some of the canal due income sources in Afgh. These all seem like difficult topics to opensourcify for numerous reasons, among them caste wars, but also partly the very tack US government took soon after the worldtradetowerDebacle, namely, looking with more powerful loupe at the gray economies modes of transferring funds. I would have to read a lot more to be incisive with respect to the primary US atty discussed, but that one case’s having been singled out seemed to resonate with the complex of fundraising mechanisms intersecting with several parts of gray economies. Clearly intell, dollar bricks lost, contra wars and tomahawk missles missing from the inventory until Church committee begins to unravel the scam, even the latest competitor’s entry into mining in Niger, but also the US energy corridor, and what through several different agencies Bush and Cheney attempted to accomplish, though they continually were blocked in courts, in their efforts to waive parts of laws on the books to safeguard environment; then there is the murky realm of mineral rights. Check this linked document about quick Oil Facts which merely cites acreage under wildlife preserves in one region without examining the federal register circumventions and blunter pressure from MMS, USFS, EPA, DOE and the like during the past 7+years; the patronage effort clearly was something Cheney was tasked to begin during the administration’s first month in WAdc. Interestingly, I think the Charlton expulsion intertwined with multiple prongs of the domestic and international gambits of Bush Cheney, a complex case worth explication.

    The gaming enterprises’ success has proved to be a fascinating prospect, namely, of the aboriginal peoples’ acquiring means to buy back what the settlers took by dint, pretty much, of technologies, and links to globalizing economics, which is where this could go OT, sometime.

  16. PetePierce says:

    And since its the ONLY way to deal with the problem, the Obama Administration is being forced to choose between being accused of Liberal McCarthyism [to which Pantload Goldberg will be able to claim he called it], or leaving it be [like a termite infection- always a good option right?].

    We have Mukasey who is worthless and doing a lot of damage to the Constitution, and entrenched DOJsters who helped protect the firings that Rove and others orchestrated by hijacking DOJ and they will do nothing. This is obvious in every move they make, including a filing the other day of a motion including a tape exhibit connected to Cheney with DOJ surgically and intentionally refusing to ID Cheney.

    If I were Obama, I’d vet the people who need confirmation at DOJ and I’d personally fire career people like “Yoda” Margolis, the spiteful pig who helped every part of the coverups at DOJ and protected Goodling, Sampson, and Jan Williams.

    I’d make sure the firing of all this scum at OLC and Main Justice was as traumatic as possible, as public as possible and I’d assign somone in my WH counsel’s office to make sure that state bars who never touch any lawyer employed by justice despite the code section that is intact to do just that to make sure to publicly spotlight each and every bar and stand on their necks until they go after this scum with disciplinary action. I’d prosecute many of them under 18USC 1001 and they are not indemnified by any civil service legislation from that. It’s simply lack of will, and blatant Mukasey obfuscation.

    Roswell New Mexico sounds like a good place to render them–and constructing an alligator pit to slowly lower them into is a nice touch.

    I would force all political Immigration “judges” to resign effective immediately and I’d put a public spotlight on the bitch, Dana Marks, who represents them as “president of the judge’s union” –I did not know that these immigration idiots had a union, and call her the killer and torturer that she is. I’d make sure her name is a household word.

    However throughout the entire current millenium no great difficulty has been encountered in finding ways to avoid the Constitution, particularly insofar as its practical implications are concerned. If I were asked for it, my advice would be that it probably remains important for maintaining public confidence and support to try as much as possible to stay with the forms provided under the Constitution, but apart from that I don’t see any reason to lose a lot of sleep over it.

    It’s not been necessary to preserve any part of the Constitution for public confidence because the public doesn’t give a rat’s ass or have a clue what the Constitution is–the pubic is in sympathy with the assholes who told Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher that the stork delivered them to the ATT-Blue Dog Dem soiree and they didn’t know anything about why they were there, how they got there, or who brought them there, and you, the unwashed hippie, don’t need to know anything about it either.