Joe and Dick: Looks Like Everything Went Swimmingly

I can’t tell whether all the giggling was from nervousness or just because Joe and Dick have been in DC for longer than forever.

And Biden’s staff isn’t telling:

"The Vice President-elect and Dr. Jill Biden met with Vice President Cheney and his wife Lynne at the Naval Observatory this evening.  The Bidens thank the Cheneys for welcoming them into their home and for their gracious hospitality," said spokesperson for the Vice President-elect Elizabeth Alexander.  

No giggling from Dick, though. And no word on the man-sized safe, either. 

57 replies
  1. emptywheel says:

    It’s worth noting that Lynne–she of the lesbian sex novel–is the one wearing the pants here. What would all those people who attacked Hillary for her pantsuits say?

  2. JohnLopresti says:

    There goes two hours commuting every day. USNO grounds look nice, great view in the evening smog skyward; yet, the way I understood the unsolved mystery of the fire story, it occurred in the Ike office building, instead of the observatory.

    • BlueStateRedHead says:

      Huh? I mean what does the link signify? It would have to be private. Jill can no more take the train than Obama could have flown commercial to see his grandmother. Probably less expensive to helicopter her to Wilmington.

      More generally, do we know yet what is in instore for Mses O and B?

  3. readerOfTeaLeaves says:

    O.M.G!! Dr. Jill Biden’s focus is in reading, remedial writing for adults, AND she likes working with adults returning for more education.

    My God, I’d love to talk with her over lunch sometime… jeepers!

    Meanwhile, did anyone notice at about 00:40 that Cheney skittered right away from the notably taller, more fit Joe Biden. I’ll give the asshole this much credit — even he realizes that next to Biden he looks like a slob.

    Made. My. Day.

    • Loo Hoo. says:

      Aren’t there remedial needs in DC? Bet she could get a job there if she didn’t want to commute. I see that Biden’s son is going to Iraq before Thanksgiving too. Maybe it’s a good time to move altogether…rent their place out?

    • Leen says:

      Noticed that right away. How tall or short is Cheney?

      Damn that man deserves to be in prison. Will we ever witness justice?

      • masaccio says:

        The internets say Cheney is 5′ 8″, and Biden is about 6′. Bush is about 5′11″. Obama is over 6′ 1″, and looks a lot taller than Bush. Michelle Obama is 5′ 11″. Our team towers over their team in every way.

  4. readerOfTeaLeaves says:

    Aren’t there remedial needs in DC?

    Hmmmmm…. Good question.
    Anyone wanna ask Mrs Laura Bush**?

    ** I actually know quite a few teachers, and also fully credentialed school librarians — even elementary. Let’s just say they seem to feel that Mrs Bush failed to make the most of her opportunities to influence education and reading policies at the federal level. All I need to do to piss off my friends is say, “And what do you think of No Child Left Behind”…? But I don’t, because I’m just not quite that evil ;-))

  5. LabDancer says:

    Maybe we ought to be concerned with such close contact for any extended period of time.

    Look at how Bush was when he entered office in 2001L overtly fit and apparently mentally alert, sure speaking Texan light but with still with the ability to form full sentences basically intact…

    And now look : so often at a loss for the right word, constantly prone to comical gaffes, frequent displays of megalomania and knee-jerk aggression, acting on half-baked conspiracy theories and unable to stop trying to explain himself in oversimplistic monosyllables and polysyllabic babble, going off at length and at unpredictable and inappropriate times over ambitions to impose imperial ambitions on other nations, like bombing wedding parties and funerals based on the Godfather theory that those sorts of tribal bonding events bring together the evil doers, and invading to effect regime change and calling it “spreading democracy”. It could just as easily have been, I dunno, re-draw other countries’ national borders.

    But mostly watch first for those tell-tale verbal gaffes – and don’t say you weren’t forewarned.

    • WilliamOckham says:

      Sec. of State Hillary Clinton – Not Gonna Happen.

      Why? 4 letters – B I L L

      Just think about it for about 5 minutes.

      • MadDog says:

        Yes, but…

        1. Keeps Hillary off the 2012 table (SoS can’t run against Obama).
        2. Shares the tough burdens facing Obama on Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestinian conflict, etc.
        3. Keeps Bill “in the tent pissing out”, but not in the driver’s seat.
        4. Formidable pairing come 2012 Obama re-election againt anything the Repugs throw up.

        Not saying I’m for it necessarily (nor opposed to it), but I can see some of the benefits for Obama.

        • emptywheel says:

          Have you seen Obama’s vetting requirements? I suspect they’re almost as stringent as the VP ones, and those were one of the hurdles to a Hillary VP.

          Obama is definitely not interested in appointing someone SOS if her husband has been cozying up with dictators.

          • MadDog says:

            I’m unsure just who of any stature or experience will be able to ace that vetting.

            Not saying that one should reward those who cozy up with dictators, but that it seems almost all the folks who circle the foreign policy arena, when out of office lobby/represent foreign folks and states that don’t emulate Mary Poppins.

          • MadDog says:

            And secondly, if anything, I hope this puts the kibosh to John Kerry’s shameless, over-the-top, self-promotion for this position.

            Methinks that Kerry’s public push for this position is really all about “him” and not about any known skills that he could bring to the post.

            Kerry seems more to be trying to resurrect his image from that of a dull, overly verbose and ineffective leader.

            I’m not sure that Kerry entirely deserves this perceived image, but I also would note that he has spent a couple of decades in the Senate with little of note accomplished in either name or deed.

            • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

              Well, when he proposed a ‘law enforcement’ paradigm to fight terrorism in 2004, he was practically laughed out of the U.S. But look at the French and the Brits — that’s the paradigm they use, and it works.

              Not saying he should be SoS, but this conversation is due for a revisit and it would be nice if he could support this notion within the Senate.

                • behindthefall says:

                  Sounds like maybe Kerry’s natural field of effective operations might not be the Senate but somewhere else, somewhere like SoS. Just wondering if the skill sets for the two might not be fairly divergent.

            • bmaz says:

              I dunno. Don’t know if he would be my choice or not, but I fail to see how John Kerry isn’t pretty qualified for the job. He speaks several languages, has travelled extensively abroad, has served on the Foreign Relations Committee for 20 years and is very well thought of and respected overseas.

              Oh, and this is his wife:

              According to her official biography,[1] Teresa was born Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões Ferreira to Portuguese parents in Portuguese East Africa, at the time a colony and now the independent nation of Mozambique. Her father was José Simões Ferreira Júnior (1910-1989; born in Albergaria-a-Velha, and died in Porto, Portugal),[2] and her mother was Irene Thierstein (1912-1997), born a Portuguese and British[3] national in Lourenço Marques,[4] daughter of Alberto Thierstein,[5] a British national of Swiss origin[citation needed] from Valletta, Malta (at the time a British-ruled territory), and Maria Burló,[6] born in Alexandria, Egypt, who both migrated to Portuguese East Africa).

              Teresa (pronounced IPA: [’t(ɨ)ɾezɐ]) grew up in Portuguese East Africa’ capital, Lourenço Marques (now called Maputo). Her father was a medical doctor, and “Teresinha” (which means “Little Teresa” or “Terri” in Portuguese) led a relatively privileged life. Her father, however, often brought her along on his calls into the African bush, where she witnessed how those of lesser means lived.

              Teresa earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Romance Languages and literature from the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa in 1960. She graduated from the School of Translation and Interpretation at the University of Geneva (Switzerland) in 1963 before moving to the United States to work at the United Nations as an interpreter.

              She is fluent in five languages: English, Spanish, French, Italian, as well as her native tongue, Portuguese.

              A resume that might come in handy on diplomatic trips abroad.

              Does the above not constitute “known skills that he could bring to the post”? Again, not sure he would be my pick, but Obama could do a lot worse.

              • MadDog says:

                Teresa at State then, perhaps yes. *g*

                Again, not sure he would be my pick, but Obama could do a lot worse.

                Seriously, as to John Kerry, he’d still not be anywhere near the top of my list. I’m still asking what has he ever actually accomplished, and I was asking this of myself during the 2004 Campaign even while supporting his eventual candidacy.

                I still think it is a lot about John’s wounded ego and boredom in the Senate at not actually doing much of consequence there.

        • WilliamOckham says:

          1. Keeps Hillary off the 2012 table (SoS can’t run against Obama).
          2. Shares the tough burdens facing Obama on Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestinian conflict, etc.
          3. Keeps Bill “in the tent pissing out”, but not in the driver’s seat.
          4. Formidable pairing come 2012 Obama re-election againt anything the Repugs throw up.

          1. Obama’s not worried about Clinton running against him in 2012.
          2. Not really.
          3. Uh… (resisting several funny, but slightly unfair retorts) Not worth the risk…
          4. Not much help.

      • Leen says:

        Why not? The rest of the world loves Bill. Are you saying that Obama or the Obama team feels threatened by Bill?

        Strategically what is a better spot for Hillary in regard to her effectiveness and running in eight years? Better to have her in the Senate, Sec of State. Supreme Court?

        34 Bmaz according to theresa’s official biography “led a relatively privileged life” not sure who her biographer was but this made me choke! They needed to say very privileged life relative to 99% of the people on the planet

        Does anyone think Wesley Clark in the running for Secretary of Defense. I have a great deal of respect for Clark.

        • WilliamOckham says:

          No, I’m not saying that Obama or his team feel threatened by Bill. Hillary has two problems caused by Bill. First, we, as a society, don’t have a model for a successful and powerful politician whose spouse is an ex-President. That creates a ‘all bets are off’ dynamic that increases the percieved risk of appointing Hillary Clinton to any position. The second problem is that Bill Clinton is, well, Bill Clinton. If I wanted to put somebody’s picture in the dictionary to illustrate the concept of ‘loose cannon’, I’d pick Bill Clinton. He’s an enormously powerful ally who can inflict real damage on the opposition, but the blowback will, at the very least, damage a few toes on your side, and, at the worst, tear a hole in your ship…

          If Obama wants to get creative with the Clintons, I’d recommend he leave Hillary in the Senate and appoint Bill to be Ambassador to the UN. As you say, he’s got real cred with the rest of the world. He’d get to stay in New York City and he’d have a forum equal to his persona.

          Obama needs to figure out how to deal with Bill Clinton, because Obama will likely end up in the same place, ex-Prez who’s too young to quit the stage entirely.

          • Leen says:

            Your points make sense

            I always wondered why Bush did not appoint Clinton as an Ambassador to the UN. This would have looked good for the Bush thugs

            • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

              First, because Bush’s ego couldn’t take it.
              Second, because the ideological headcases in the Neocon contingent couldn’t take it.
              Third, b/c Rover wouldn’t have signed off for it.
              Fourth, b/c Cheney had other plans and was wiring the system to screw Powell.

              FWIW, whoever Obama selects needs some really, really strong leadership in Africa. The US has been so Euro-centric and also focused on Russia; Africa has too long been given short shrift IMHO. In a ‘hot, flat, crowded’ planet a lot more attention needs to be paid to Africa IMHO.

  6. Loo Hoo. says:

    I like the idea of Hillary for Secretary of State. She knows the turf, and is respected throughout the world even more than she is here in the USA.

  7. JohnLopresti says:

    I could imagine the current VP chatting over hors d’ovres, trying to suggest to Biden names of stalwarts who would provide continuity of foreign policy. Barack Obama seems to have a gauged process for vetting for key posts. One of the people working on State appointments has credentials in N.Korea affairs; LauraR had her list posted yesterday. The way the demarcation line separating that country developed Seoul is much like a peninsula of the south extending into the other half of the country. UN also will be an important external face of the new administration, especially if congress eventually has enough revenue visible to bolster US work there. I think TTSFKerry is a centrist Republican, which might help the president advance the new outreach concepts. Although the screeners reach to many strong elements in the party and in the national pantheons, I am hoping the choices are original in the spirit of the change theme.

  8. pdaly says:

    I was surprised to see that entrance to the VP’s mansion has a dead bolt. I can understand regular residences needing one, but is this mansion ever left empty and unguarded?
    Doesn’t Cheney trust his men to protect him, his man-sized safes, and Lynne?

  9. numbertwopencil says:

    …Kerry did lead the BCCI investigation…

    Yes, however, I’m not nearly as keen on the Kerry report as, say, David Corn is. Kerry took that investigation right up the point where it started to get really interesting–a long story but, in short, up to the point where the CIA quit talking and billions of dollars disappeared into Pakistani nukes and some pretty sketchy arms deals–and then poof! Nothing. The report makes for interesting reading and, yeah, I’m sure Kerry was up against some pretty powerful players (including, oh, Cheney) but it accomplished nothing. Robert Morgenthau ended up handing out the (two, I think) indictments and Kerry never pursued the investigation into the CIA. If anything, Kerry’s report played into the hands of the people who deserved the most scrutiny. Maybe he tried his best, maybe it was a Skull and Bones thing, maybe no one could have done better, I’m not sure. But based on the results, I don’t count it as a point in Kerry’s favor.

    Take a look:

    Fun BCCI fact: Robert A. Altman, who was indicted, along with Clark Clifford, by Morgenthau, is married to Lynda Carter, Wonder Woman.

    • numbertwopencil says:

      See, for example, this part of the report:…..pendic.htm

      …Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes…

      …The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980’s. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld…

      …financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States….

      … The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them…

      And so on. The meat of Kerry’s BCCI report is in an appendix.

  10. Leen says:

    Can Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee be pulled into play for any spot on the Obama team? What is his expertise? Chaffee seemed so honorable during the John Bolton (well more like pissed off) and Condi Rice hearings. He voted against the 2002 war resolution.

    Chaffee seems to be a straight forward, honest, above the belt kind of player.

    • behindthefall says:

      He’s a trained blacksmith; good at shoeing racehorses. As Mayor in RI? Not much there. But pleasant.

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