Trash Talk II – Waiting For The Sunday Games

Well, I was going to add this to the main trash talk thread, but you folks gossipped up the joint right nice, so I decided to post it as a Part Deux. This version will be for the NFL Sunday games and some F1 news of significance.

National Favre League: It is another week of mostly unexciting matchups, even though many teams have effectively must win games. The game of the day is pretty easily the ‘Boys at the Stillers. Romo v. Rothlisberger; TO versus Hines Ward. Dallas has regained their swagger since Tony Romeo returned; Pittsburgh has just been gutting it out with tough fundamental football every week. Both teams have issues at running back Marion Barber is very questionable for Dallas and Fast Willie Parker is probable for limited duty for the Steelers. I have been trying to figure out who is going to win this game, and I have no idea. You all will have to tell me what is happening, as, thanks to the pissant worthless Arizona Cardinals, the game will not be shown in Arizona. I guess they are afraid people would watch other teams than them if given the choice; they are right.

The Falcons at Saints looks like a fun tilt too. Drew Brees has been literally ripping it up this year passing. Seriously, Brees is on a pace to break Dan Marino’s single season passing yardage record. But the Saints have been uneven, to say the least, and, at 6-6 need a win to keep their playoff hopes alive. The Dirty Birds are a shocking 8-4 and rookie QB Matt Ryan is playing like a seasoned pro. Since the game is in Nawlins, the Saints should win at home. Except the Dirty Birds have Michael "The Burner" Turner, and that and a conservative Matt Ryan will keep the ball out of Brees’ hands and garner a win.

The Sunday Night game of Redskins at Ravens looks interesting too. Both teams have excellent defenses, but I give the nod to Ray Lewis and the Ravens here. Not to mention the Ravens have Ed Reed, who has rather quietly had a career that is of Hall of Fame quality; the man is just flat out tough nuts, and he always plays. Coach John Harbaugh has rookie QB Joe Flacco on a short and conservative leash, but i have just never warmed up to Jason Campbell, especially in big games. Clinton Portis is hurt, but is a stud and is going to play. I’ll take the Ravens at home.

In other games, there will be enough Good Eli for the Gents at home to take out the Eagles. The Colts will continue the March of the Mannings and continue the lost season for the Bengals. The Packers will rope the Texans in Green Bay, although it should be close. I will predict right now that next year the Houston Texans finally break out nad make the playoffs; they are getting better. The cute pick of all the prognosticators has been that this is the week that Deetroit finally wins their first game, at home versus the Vikes. I don’t think so, "Yo Adrian" Peterson is going to run silly on the Motown Kitties. As Kanye West would say, "Richard Shelby hates Detroit. So do the football gods. Bears bag the Jags and the Titans take the Brownies. The Pats will stew the Seahawks, Broncos trample the Chiefs and Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown and teh Fish will grind down the Bills. Those aforementioned worthless Cardinals will beat up on the Rams in the Big Toaster in Phoenix. And, in the penultimate game in the rundown, the MNF game of Bucs at Panthers could be pretty interesting. Both teams have veteran QBs that can win tough late season games; both have good defenses. The running game for Carolina has been superb lately, but Cadillac Williams is back for Tampa Bay. No clue here; it is a pick em.

Hey now, you didn’t think I would leave out Brett and the Jets did you? Of course not. The Bretts are visiting the Niners up in Frisco. The 49ers have been playing better and with a lot more emotion under Mike Singleterry, and should play tough; but the Jets need this win to keep a game ahead of the Pats and solidly in the playoff picture. J E T S Jets, Jets, Jets.

Formula One: Yep, like I promised, there is some fairly earth shattering news from the F1 Circus. Honda is withdrawing and will not challenge in the upcoming 2009 season. Next time you here Richard Shelby or some other union busting neanderthal idiot bloviate about how great the Japanese manufacturers are doing, just remember that Honda was forced to pull out of literally the biggest automotive showcase in the world because of financial concerns. From the Financial Times:

Honda announced on Friday that it would withdraw from Formula One, a startling pullout that has its origins in the dismal state of the auto industry and that is likely to have huge repercussions on the high-profile global racing circuit.

A glum Takeo Fukui, the chief executive officer of Honda, made the announcement at a news conference in Tokyo.

He called the company’s withdrawal from the series "a difficult decision" caused by the worldwide economic gloom and "the quickly deteriorating operating environment facing the global auto industry."

"I offer my sincere apologies," he said, "to everyone involved."

Honda has struggled badly this year, battered by weaker sales and a stronger yen. November sales, for example, were off 32 percent from a year earlier.

"Honda must protect its core business activities and secure the long term," Fukui said. "A recovery is expected to take some time."

For those of you that don’t know F1, or are just casual fans, this is just jaw dropping. There have already been questions about the status of Toyota’s fledgling F1 program, but the factory works has indicated that it is staying in. But, as to Honda, wow. Just wow. As recently as a year ago, the head of Honda Motorsports was saying the company would spend whatever it would take to win the F1 crown and they were thought to be chasing a top driver, perhaps Fernando Alonso from Renault or young Bruno Senna, an up and coming star and Aryton’s nephew, for future campaigns. All gone now. Sad.

The remnants of Team Honda, but in need of new engine support, may well be bought up, the current rumor is that there is heavy interest out of Dubai, and make a run yet in 2009. But with the season starting on March 29 in Australia, it is going to be extremely hard to get get an engine package (presumably from Ferrari) and test it out sufficiently to be competitive early in the season, if at all. But in order to fill the grid, I sure hope someone runs what is left of the works for 2009.

The bad news for motorsport does not end with Honda either. Team Audi has announced that it is withdrawing from European endurance racing including the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Audi is withdrawing from the American Le Mans series as well. Audi has long been dominant, a gold standard, in closed wheel endurance racing. This, while not of quite the level of Honda leaving F1, is still mind numbing.

The Republicans, with bellicose jackals like Richard Shelby, have plied their precious unregulated free market financial innovation trickle down happy horseshit to the catastrophic demise of not just this country, but the entire world. Thanks for the memories you soulless pukes.

70 replies
  1. Gunner says:

    Can you say 0 and 16! That will be the Motor City kittys. Go cheese heads and Jets.Sad state of affairs for F1.Like bmaz says we can only hpe some picks up the pieces of whats left of Honda.

  2. scribe says:

    As to the Boys at Stillers: just remember, snow is in the forecast. This is the town where “Shirtless, in December Snow” first became an official fan uniform, back in the early 70s.

    As to their running game, FWIW, the Stillers picked up Najeh Davenport off the “out of football” list a week or two ago, presumably to give some depth to their running game.

    Expect the ‘Boys to pay a lot of attention to James Silverback Harrison, particularly in light of his chest-thumping butt-kicking of Cassel (2 strips, God-knows-how-many sacks and hurries) last week. Not that it will do the ‘Boys any good.

  3. BayStateLibrul says:

    Junior’s back…

    Partisan Picks

    Pats by 10
    Niners by 3
    Bills by 1

    Caroline Kennedy by a landslide

  4. skdadl says:

    Good morning bmaz and all, and thanks for the music. I often think that Robby looks a little worried about Jim in the later sessions, which much of that is.

  5. emptywheel says:

    The last two weeks, there have been a fairly surprising number of away victories: 11 both weeks.

    Not so this week: I predict this week will be won by the home team. That means:

    San Diego (done)
    Manning 1
    Manning 2
    Frozen Tundra
    Mile High

    Add in the two playoff critical games in the NFC South, a division where the home team has won almost every single game this year:

    Carolina (which would put Carolina ahead of the better Bucs in the Division; the Bucs need this win, badly)

    Okay, that means we’ve already reversed the trend of the last two weeks, with the home team winning at least 11 of the games.

    But what about these games:

    Boys-Stillers: Scribe’s right: if the weather in Pittsburgh is anything like it is here, the Stillers will win this, particularly if Fast Willie plays half the downs he should play; and note, Barber officially stayed home in Dallas.

    Fins-Bills: Tough one, particularly since the Bills are beat up. But this Division is one of two that seems determined to remain muddled (and ugly) until the bitter end, and everyone has sort of figured out the ‘Fins gimmicks by now. So I say Bills.

    Pats-Squawks: As someone whose high school had to play against Junior, I love the man, I really do. But he’s almost as old as me, which still makes the Pats old and slow(er). I’ll go with the trend on this one, and say the Squawks pull one out for Holmgren.

    Jets-Niners: Mostly to piss off bmaz and because I love Singleterry and because I’m convinced the AFC East will remain a muddle, I say Niners win this.

    Vikes-Kitties: Which leaves me with the Kitties. I realize I have invented an elaborate ruse to claim that all home teams will win today. I realize that it remains highly unlikely that the Kitties will win–the Vikes have something to play for, after all, and the quickest way to historical relevance for the Kitties is for them to keep losing. But the Kitties have a habit in morose seasons like this to really fuck things up for someone with late surprise wins. And I think the NFC Norris is going to be like the AFC East–a muddle (plus, I’m secretly rooting for Da Bears). So I say the Kitties win this, just to be whimsical, not because I really think it’s likely.

    • emptywheel says:

      Shoot, I just remembered that the Bills aren’t really the “home” team in that game: skdadl and Petrocelli are.

      That screws with my entire system.

    • phred says:

      Not to pick a fight with our fine hostess, but really EW, you’re rooting for Da Bears?!? Sigh.

      I think home/away teams will almost split this week.
      Manning 2
      Bmaz’ fave local team ; )
      Manning 1
      Da Bears
      THE PACK
      all come away with wins at home.

      The fer’ners ruining the day for the home fans will be
      Vikes (seriously, the Kitties???, pshaw!)
      The Fish
      B R E T T S Bretts Bretts Bretts

      And ok, so I blew the Oakland-San Diego game, so what? I’m sure I got the rest right ; )

      Go PACK!

      • emptywheel says:

        Just for the record. Kitties are up again.

        They’ll probably throw away the game in the 4th–as they have done many times this year. But they’re still in this.

        • phred says:

          Kitties are up, Pack is down, harummpphhh.

          Gunner, I agree that was a spectacular throw and catch. Did you see the signs in the stadium afterward? The first said, “Houston, you have a problem”, the second said, “Rodgers that”. Pretty clever, if not entirely accurate ; )

  6. ixnay says:

    Thanks for the heads up about the Honda F1 program. What a total drag. Never understood why the sport wasn’t more popular here. Maybe too much moonshine reduces the ability to make right turns. I’ve always had a soft spot for the great formula cars of the 60’s. Probably because I’m just another DFH with a taste for post war euro sports cars. Not that I can afford them.

    Not really an (American) football head, but this article is fascinating:

    Colts/Giants 1958 analyzed with Andy Reid.

  7. Mary says:

    They didn’t span a decade and there was no sanctioned trophy, but from my biased perspective, the most exciting grudge matches were my families side yard, Thanksgiving day games. “Friendly” family games, with a decade + tradition of sending at least one person to the emergency room (which was conveniently only about 3 blocks away) every Thanksgiving. I’m not sure anyone remembers scores and winners – just injuries and incidents.

    OT, but with complete with a different kind of trash talk, Scott Horton does a ‘6 questions’ with Mary Ellen O’Connell, a Notre Dame law prof, about international law. She gets around to Pirate Jack and also to another guy who gets pass after pass, Bellinger.

    On Goldsmith:

    It was quite telling to me that Jack Goldsmith could write a long, detailed memo in March 2004 on the Fourth Geneva Convention, enforceable by criminal penalties in the United States, but never mention these facts in a 2005 book purporting to be comprehensive on international law and its lack of enforcement. The Limits of International Law is so very useful to any lawyer trying to defend supremely erroneous advice on international law–after all, the book purports to demonstrate that international law is not really law. So how can errors matter?

    On Bellinger:

    More recently, I think he has moved away from this strategy to one perhaps following Jack Goldsmith: Convince people you support the rule of law, distract them from your role in torture, disappearance, and abuse, then when the accounting comes hope the focus lands on others.

    According to the ACLU, waterboarding was discussed at meetings of the National Security Council when Bellinger was present.

    • phred says:

      Sounds like you had fun holidays at your house Mary!

      Thanks for the OT as well. I really hope Horton and others keep the pressure up on the torture issue. I think it was Philippe Sands who I first heard mention that if Bush does issue pardons that will make it easier to prosecute war crimes in the Hague, because we won’t be able to do so here. From the Horton interview with O’Connell, it is clear that our Geneva obligations require one or the other.

  8. Mary says:

    Exciting, yep, fun kinda would depend on the definition you use. *g* There were stitches, sprains, strains, breaks, bruises, a couple of mild concussions and lots of getting even.

    As we got older there were also always pissed girlfriends and then when a chunk of my brothers and cousins were hitting college on athletic scholarships, we started getting calls and notes from coaches emphatically stating that the scholarship boys were not allowed to play – but they did. The would start out saying it would “just” be flag or touch, but that never lasted. There were always plates waiting for someone at the emergency roomand we showed our concern by stealing the good stuff off of them.

    • phred says:

      As a former rugger, that is without question my definition of fun ; )

      As for the pilfering of goodies while someone was getting patched up… that’s what siblings/cousins are for ; )

  9. MadDog says:

    For those of you that don’t know F1, or are just casual fans, this is just jaw dropping…

    And the good ol’ boys from Nascar are quietly shitting their pants.

    The Big 2.5 provide mucho bucks to American circle racing, so if the bailout don’t occur, the Nascar teams may have to resort to buying junkers from Rent-A-Wreck in order to last out the season.

  10. Neil says:

    JAC v CHI
    MIN v DET
    CIN v IND
    PHI v NYG
    CLE v TEN
    ATL v NO
    HOU v GB
    MIA v BUF
    NYJ v SF
    NE v SEA
    KC v DEN
    STL v ARI
    WAS v BAL
    TB V CAR

  11. 4jkb4ia says:

    randiego, what are you talking? This is such a good game! There was even a blocked kick! Fox owed it to bmaz and myself for the POS game later on! I cannot believe that I was full of piss and vinegar before the St. Louis iteration of this.

    Adam Liptak writes today about “Nothing But The Truth”. Kate Beckinsale says that the director insists that she was not playing Judy Miller.

    • freepatriot says:

      he’s called rowdyiego now

      an then there’s this:

      by my calculations, the Sooners scored 312 points in their last 300 minutes of football

      can teabow do that ???

      strike a pose, Sam


      • BayStateLibrul says:

        You’ve converted me to Sooner Land (better sooner than…)
        Up in the Northeast Corridor, college football is, well, not national
        in scope…. Except maybe for BC, and I really hate BC (a personal problem)
        Question: you mentioned the World Serious shouldn’t be on prime time?
        You think an afternoon delight would be better?

  12. phred says:

    Ok, I’ll admit I’ve been moonlighting on other threads this afternoon, but I would like to mention that the PACK just got their 2nd interception : ) They didn’t get any points out of the 1st one, but they did prevent a Houston TD. This one they got on the Texan 25….

    TD GB!!!

  13. phred says:

    To give the Texans their due, they are throwing absolutely gorgeous deep passes. Meanwhile, Rodgers has consistently overthrown his deep receivers. Sigh. Settle down Aaron, settle down.

  14. Neil says:

    Iggles but togther a 10 play 77 yard drive for TD and PAT, up 10-0. Gants get ball back, mount a short drive to midfield, go for it on 4-3, and incomplete. Iggles have :49 before the half, moving the ball against the Gants D with running plays right up the gut.

    • phred says:

      Thanks for the scoop on the Iggles-Gents Neil.

      Packers go into the half down 10-7. Coulda been worse though, Rodgers tossed a pick late in the half that the Texans turned into good field position, but the kicker missed the FG, wide right.

      Hoping for a better 2nd half in Lambeau…

  15. Neil says:

    Giants special teams come through with a block FG attempt returned for a TD. WOW.

    Dockery #35 got some great and necessary blocks to convert the block into six.

    PAT kicker converts. 10-7 at the half. Who needs an offense?

    • phred says:

      Wow! That sounds fun!

      Packers almost had a kick-off returned for a TD from their 1 yard line, but, ahem, there was a hold. Glad the Gents special teams didn’t blow their moment of glory ; )

  16. Neil says:

    I watched the high school state championship football games yesterday. Mass. certainly has its fair share of outstanding football players. Teams are running spread and wing t style offenses with some “I” thrown in.

    Walpole has a fantastic passing and running QB. There offensive game plan was extremely impressive. They stretched the defense from sideline with deep flag patterns and opened up the field for themselves.

    Duxbury too played a nice brand of football. A number of their kids will be playing D1 lacrosse.

    BC High took it Brockton which is off a little this year. BC High’s bigger victory was last Tuesday when they beat perenial D1 powerhouse Everett and Manning Bowl in Lynn.

    I didn’t catch the nightcap game with Dracut but I did see that QB take Andover apart about four weeks ago.

    The Kraft family makes the stadium available for the high school championship games and underwrite TV coverage Comcast and a local Channel TV 38. Comcast took the early games,TV 38 the games from 3:30 on. Zolak did color commentary for TV 38 games. Darren Flutie game pre-game and post game commentary. Doug was busy on ABC’s nationally televised game pregame and halftime show.

    That first HOU TD pass was keystone cops in the GB secondary.

    …Gants kicking off to start the 2nd half.

  17. Gunner says:

    phred what a throw rogers just made, then the pack scores. Cool, boy if it wasn’t for Al Harris the pack would be in trouble.

  18. Neil says:

    iggles score again, up 10, have the ball 5 mins togo. (I missed the score while making snacks for pats/C-hawks game)

    C-hawks QB Hasselbeck grew up about 20 miles from Shaeffer stadium (Pats) and his dad was a tight end on the team. Oddly, situations like these tend to bring out the best in players. Is his brother still backup for Eli? Is his sister-in-law still making good arguments for Democratic values in spite of her own?

      • emptywheel says:

        Shit. What did they do to Jacobs? Or their O line?

        Gunner and I are stuck with one game, mind you, bc no one wants to see the Kitties lose again. So we missed everything.

        • Neil says:

          What’s up with satellite tv that you don’t get better NFL coverage?

          I think iggles played like their season was on the line. Giants played like they spent the week wondering whether their teammate Plaxico would be incarcerated for his stupidity.

          Eli’s receivers dropped a ton of catchable passes.

          You can live on 5 yards per carry (Jacobs). Don’t know why they didn’t run Jacobs more; they weren’t playing from so far behind. Iggles controlled the clock with a successful running game and kept Gants offense under pressure in limited action.

          Iggles outplayed Gants. Iggles outcoached Gants.

          – – – –

          You want to watch a disaster? Watch the Patriots post-retirement linebacker corps. (pronounced corpse.)

          Wallace is in for Hasselbeck and has 2 TD passes in the first half.

          Cadillac is advertising their luxury SUV (15K off 56K) big enough for 8 hot chicks but not the car owners (a man) best friend (another man). Seating for 8, hot women in evening wear and high heals only, thank you very much. Hot car, hot company, menage a neuf.

  19. phred says:

    Thank goodness Houston keeps giving the Packers the ball (4 times and counting). We haven’t done much today without their help.

  20. phred says:

    Thinking of Bad Eli… Can I just say that it appears Andy Reid was a genius for benching McNabb for a half. The Iggles have been playing great since then.

  21. phred says:

    Hey EW, looks like the Pack is feeling sorry for the Kitties down there in the basement of the NFC North. They’re doing their best to sink down and keep ‘em company ; )

  22. emptywheel says:

    menage a neuf

    Does it come with freedom fries.

    Gunner has cable, I have satellite. But in an effort to have SOME modicum of a normal Sunday, I don’t pay for SUnday ticket.

  23. Neil says:

    It should come with freedom fries. It was the most blatant use of sex in car advertising I’d seen in a long time and kind of shocking that they’re advertising SUVs in this political environment with bridge loans on the line.

    You’re right, I forgot about the local market blackout. Screwed twice by ownership. When they can’t put a winning team on the field that fills the stands, they blackout the hometown team audience so they can’t watch ‘em lose on TV. At some point, it’s seems like it’s a policy counter to their own interests, a little counterproductive, doesn’t it?

  24. freepatriot says:

    back in the day, sneaking a radio into work or school was a seasonal ritual

    kids don’t get to see the end of weekday world series games any more

    prime time might get the big bucks, but it don’t grow the fan base

  25. MadDog says:

    Sorry about adding to your Kitties’ woe EW, but you almost had my Vikes. Without Adrian Peterson, we’d be holding hands with you in the cellar.

    And bmaz…Niners! Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

  26. Neil says:

    It’s all over. it’s all over. Seymour stole the ball. Pats 24 C-hawks 21.

    Welker gets my gameball. QB Wallace has got game.

    AFC East NE, MIA, Jets at 8-5 it’d be a big deal if they were competing for 1st place. They’re not.

  27. Neil says:

    +1 = picked it. -1 = picked the loser.

    JAC v CHI +1
    MIN v DET +1
    CIN v IND +1
    PHI v NYG -1
    CLE v TEN +1
    ATL v NO +1
    HOU v GB +1
    MIA v BUF +1
    NYJ v SF -1
    NE v SEA +1
    KC v DEN +1
    STL v ARI -1
    DAL V PIT +1
    WAS v BAL +1 (bal up 14 in the third)
    TB V CAR

    s*ck my b*llz

    • freepatriot says:

      you picked St Louis ???

      what were you thinking ???

      estimate the MNF points an I’ll let ya know how ya finished

  28. randiego says:

    Hey where do we get to bitch about the BCS?

    Wanna hear something funny? The bowl system is so screwed up that The Pointsettia Bowl, which is the lowest of the lowest bowls at a $500,000 payout (it was setup so that San Diego State could get into SOMETHING – which of course it hasn’t) ended up with #9 Boise State vs #11 TCU.

    That’s a heck of a game, but what a screwed up system! Two teams that should be in the 5th or 6th best game, are stuck in the 25th best game!

    of course, it’s held in San Diego, which counts for something, but jeez!

    The much older and more prestigious Holiday Bowl, which has a payout of $2.5M each, ended up with #13 Okla State vs #17 Oregon – a decent matchup itself.

    • freepatriot says:

      Hey where do we get to bitch about the BCS?

      go tell it to the Pacific ocean, pal (pick a nice high cliff and just let’er rip, get it ALL out, so you can enjoy the National Championship game next month)

      if you’re upset about the BCS, you’ve obviously been rootin for one of them teams from texas, and that’s where you went wrong in the first place …

      we could have a 16 team playoff, but does anybody really need to see Oklahoma score another 240 points just to decide that Oklahoma is NUMBER ONE ???

      (ducking and running with a BIG FUCKING SMILE on my face)

  29. freepatriot says:

    and this is a WARNING, not a prediction:

    be carefull about bettin on Florida. I don’t think their defense can stop Sam either

  30. randiego says:

    if you’re upset about the BCS, you’ve obviously been rootin for one of them teams from texas, and that’s where you went wrong in the first place …

    no, no. Texas gets no sympathy from me. It was all whine, all the time while we were in Austin. Cry, Cry, Cry. Waaah.

    Once Tech got killed by OK, they were done. Would have liked for them to come to the Holiday Bowl, so the missus could go see ‘em. They’re in the Cotton Bowl, which ain’t too bad.

    having said that, Texas will destroy Ohio State.

  31. freepatriot says:

    no, no. Texas gets no sympathy from me

    but you still capitalize the word

    that’s a sign of respect in my book …

    you’re suspect, that’s all I’m sayin

    gotta watch out for those texas sympathizers, I only feel sorry for texas when feeling sorry for texas pisses texans off


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