Jesse Jackson Jr’s Dad Gets a Lawyer, Too

In news that is very ominous for Candidate 5 and his family, Jesse Jackson Jr is not the only one who has lawyered up since Blago’s arrest on Tuesday. Jesse Jackson Sr has done so too (h/t nextstopchicago and choochmac).

Also, the congressman’s father, Jesse Jackson Sr., has retained legal council following the Blagojevich arrest. 

Given the fact that Blago claimed last week that he was first approached by an emissary of JJJ with a monetary deal for the senate seat before the election, and given the high likelihood that the Feds taped the meeting between JJJ and Blago on Monday, I’d say the Reverend’s lawyering up is very ominous indeed.

Update: There are three (maybe just two, given Blago’s ramblings) people named in the complaint with ties to JJJ:

Associate of SC 5: Approached Blago with a “pay to play” offer
Emissary: The one who delivered the Associate’s message (may be Associate, may not be)
Individual D: Blago tried to get campaign donations from him in the last several days, Blago believes D is close to JJJ

Obviously, Jesse Jackson Sr couldn’t be Individual D (since there’s no question they’re close). Which suggests if he’s named in the complaint, he’s Associate or Emissary. Of course, it’s perfectly likely that JJ Sr had contacts with Blago not mentioned on the tapes–which may well be perfectly innocent–but that he has retained counsel as a precautionary measure before he goes to Fitz to reveal those contacts.

Update: I’ve changed the title of this. A couple of readers suggested I was using the term improperly. I think the usage in the blogosphere is somewhat different, but I recognize that their point about general usage is fair. So I’m changing it to make sure I make it clear that we have every reason to believe that Jesse Sr. is willing to cooperate with federal investigators. 

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  1. Leen says:

    Damn. Does that necessarily mean that he was the “emissary”?

    I sure would “lawyer up” if Fitz was after me. Although if peasants were involved with this we would all ready be in prison.

    Last night I saw Nora O’Donnell do an interview with I believe it was Jarrett. Can’t find it

    Still intrigued with your theory that a Blago with for a pardon could have been taped? What makes you think so?

  2. BlueStateRedHead says:

    and I ask EW a question below about the must have alerted Fitz claim.

    Let’s not loose that thread it was an EW timelining classic.

    • emptywheel says:

      Here’s teh answer I left on that thread.

      I’m getting that from this, which was a VERY careful parse on Obama’s part (especially if you watch the video–he thought about how to say this):

      I have not been contacted by any federal officials. And we have not been interviewed by them.

      Obama has not been contacted by any feds. We (presumably his entire team) have not been interviewed. Which, given the amount of thought Obama put into the question, would seem to suggest that someone had been contacted–but not yet interviewed.

      Plus, remember that Fitz knows “President-elect Advisor’s” name–we don’t but he does.

      It would be inconceivable if–by Tuesday at the latest–someone on Fitz’ team hadn’t contacted Rahm that person to let him know he had been mentioned in the tapes. The leaks about Rahm make it possible they made that contact sooner–but certainly, by Tuesday, contact would have been made.

      Also, I would assume that we’re not going to get the list of contacts until after Fitz does. The transition team has undoubtedly been asked for such a list, already.

  3. FrankProbst says:

    This has been a bad week for Scooter Libby’s chance of getting a pardon. Last week, it would have been hard to describe Fitz as an “out of control partisan prosecutor”, but I’m fairly sure the right-wing would have done it. This week, there’s just no way they’re going to get away with it. And the possible involvement of Jesse Jackson makes next week look pretty bad, too.

    • Leen says:

      Do you think this will actually influence Bush and a pardon for Libby. Does Bush care? Cheney just says “so”

    • freepatriot says:

      good point, you get a cookie for that

      kinda hard for the repuglitards to demonize Obama when george is pardoning all his little war criminal minions

      selling a Senate Seat don’t look so bad when you start thinking about a presnit who is okay with outing a NOK Agent

      and I got a question about the definition of “Selling” a senate seat:

      is the blagoff accused of trying to trade the seat for cold hard cash, like in suitcases or something

      or is he accused of selling the seat for campaign cash ???

      there’s a difference

      if I promise to give you a million dollars, I’m buying something

      if I offer to raise a million bucks in campaign cash, I’m playing politics

      so what exactly did the jblagoff do ???

  4. emptywheel says:

    I’ve updated the post with this:

    Update: There are three (maybe just two, given Blago’s ramblings) people named in the complaint with ties to JJJ:

    Associate of SC 5: Approached Blago with a “pay to play” offer
    Emissary: The one who delivered the Associate’s message (may be Associate, may not be)
    Individual D: Blago tryed to get campaign donations from him in the last several days, Blago believes D is close to JJJ

    Obviously, Jesse Jackson Sr couldn’t be Individual D (since there’s no question they’re close). Which suggests if he’s named in the complaint, he’s Associate or Emissary. Of course, it’s perfectly likely that JJ Sr had contacts with Blago not mentioned on the tapes–which may well be perfectly innocent–but that he has retained counsel as a precautionary measure before he goes to Fitz to reveal those contacts.

  5. FrankProbst says:

    Yeah, and Durbin didn’t get Ryan sprung from the pokey in time, either.

    Of course, this also means Conrad Black’s probably out of luck too. Good.
    —–
    Poor things. I continue to hope beyond hope that Scooter gets a letter on January 21st that says, “We would appreciate your full co-operation in our ongoing investigation. Please note that failure to comply with this request will be considered a violation of your parole. Have a nice day!”

    • nextstopchicago says:

      Probst, both of your comments are excellent.

      I have this image of a poker game in prison, Conrad Black, Ex Govs Ryan & Blagojevich and Scooter Libby. Black is fuming because he’s lost a lot of money and he’d rather play bridge anyway. Libby is engaged in spycraft so transparent that Ryan is laughing his grandfatherly laugh at him, but Blago is oblivious. Libby actually hands Blago a mirror, telling him his hair is mussed up in back, and Rod tries to use the hand mirror to see what’s wrong and smooth it, not realizing Libby can read his cards.

      Meanwhile, the Sun-Times’ Mike Sneed, who owns a condo nearby so she can spend time with her best friends, pours drinks and provides a narration in her nimrod style:
      – ExGovsville 02: Rod needs new cards.
      – Shovesville: Scooter pushes Conrad towards the prison bathroom, flirting sarcastically.
      – Exgovsville 98: Ryan throws down his cards in exasperation, explaining he NEVER got cards that bad back when the asphalt contractors took him out gambling on the boats in Kankakee. There was a guy who knew how to pay off a card dealer.

  6. bell says:

    Blago believes D is close to JJJ…. first off not all parents and kids are close.. secondly blago seems to have a way of communicating that is not all that clear.. it is possible D is jjsenior.. at any rate the astro on his dad isn’t any better… i hope their lawyers are good!

  7. FormerFed says:

    What I can’t get through my noggin is whoever was contacting Blago with a pay to play proposition was dumb enough to do it over the telephone or in an office. Blago has been under investigation for years by Fitz. Are these people really this stupid?? I guess they are.

    • emptywheel says:

      No he wasn’t.

      Blago refers to it–we still just have Blago’s impression of what emissary said.

      Also, remember taht there was a bug in Blago’s office–at least some of what we’ve got was recorded conversations of people in his campaign office.

      • FormerFed says:

        Great point! The emissary couldn’t control Blago’s big mouth, even if the ‘offer’ has been made in the parking lot.

        • emptywheel says:

          Yeah, that’s what’s so dicey about this whole complaint. We’re basically reading all these events through the fishbowl of Blago’s delirious brain.

          One might make an interesting movie about it, even.

    • prostratedragon says:

      To paraphrase Duke Ellington rather closely, when the action is located down under and/or out back, it’s not always easy to know who is enjoying the shadow of whom.

      PD says, you shouldn’t wave knives around in such quarters if you have any choice in the matter.

  8. Redshift says:

    I was thinking just yesterday that since Blago referred to the ability of Candidate 5 to raise a million dollars, that his dad might very well be involved in that kind of effort. (Not that he necessarily was, since all we have is Blago’s assertion, but it would certainly make the idea that such an amount could be raised more plausible for Blago’s plotting.)

  9. Leen says:

    Ew/all have you read this one?
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/…..ean-break/

    “But what’s drawing the most interest is who was on the line from Washington, and the sequence of political events that followed that same night and in the ensuing days regarding Barack Obama’s close friend and
    adviser, Valerie Jarrett.

    According to the FBI, there were “various Washington, D.C., based advisers” on the call with Mr. Blagojevich & Co., although the Washington callers are not named. The FBI also said participants popped on and off the line throughout the conversation.”

    * sounds like lots of folks “popping off and on that line” Would that be something if Karl popped on that line

  10. JohnLopresti says:

    OT allegorically: This season is time to appreciate the efficiency of the weedeater, now winterized, and the horses eager for more oats and clover with the rain.

    Then there was the story in WaPo December 9 Kari Lydersen byline quoting Blago as declaring in solidarity for some strike union members at a window and sash factory, that the state of IL would halt sending all IL business to BofA until BofA settled equitably its refusal to fund the windowmaking outfit, in Blago’s favor as a persuasion was an amount >$100.million; two days later BofA and other entities have reviewed the window mfg plight, and now Blago will not have to make good on that oath to rechannel state funds. BofA just a week ago had reason to cheer as Merrill shareholders accepted 0.8595 of a BofA share per Merrill share in the recent takeover. Blago’s wager seems to have improved those December 9 prospects that if Blago carried thru with withholding >$100.million in IL funds from BofA poor BofA might have to absorb more recession news, though it cost them some new loan structuring for the window mfg outfit. And strikers can work on having a nice holiday season at home instead of on the picket line sit in. I have yet to find a nice article about the full smorgasbord of new offers to the window company, but The Charlotte Observer, which has been one of the entities following the outrageous story, has a bulletin today about JPMorgan entering the fray with a cash offer to the beleaguered striking workers; the Observer accompanying slide show image 4 shows some nice pizza at the picketline, though. Makes me think of swopa’s pizza escapade sometime last year.

    • nextstopchicago says:

      JPMorgan isn’t being nice. They were part owners of Republic Windows. They wrote down their ownership share a short while back and withdrew from the board, but they still might be liable if the company failed to meet it’s statutory obligation of severance pay to the workers.

    • nextstopchicago says:

      Also, and to bring this back around to why Blagojevich is utterly unfit for office — the pizza wasn’t brought by Blags. What did he bring them?

      Bottled water and rice cakes!

      Rice cakes! Think of it. Friggin rice cakes!

      Can you just imagine the faces of the delighted factory workers?

      “Thanks Rod. Did you run out of styrofoam? It’s the thought that counts anyway. Umm, my kid’s got a pet iguana. Do iguanas eat rice cakes?”

  11. EvilParallelUniverse says:

    Just a note –

    To “lawyer up” means to shut up. Either you are detained and are not free to leave and have invoked your right to counsel, or you simply tell the authorities that you will only speak with them with your counsel present if you are free to leave. Either way, the authorities are not supposed to speak with you once you’ve invoked the right to counsel, with the expectation by the authorities that you will not speak with them at either of those points at the advice of said counsel – ergo “lawyering up.”

    It does not mean simply that you have retained counsel.

  12. plunger says:

    During the coverage on election night, the image of Rev. Jackson listening to Obama’s speech, standing among the masses of people gathered with tears streaming down his cheeks, caused me to take note that he was completely on the outside looking in. The total absence of Rev. Jackson from the “talking head” circuit during the lead up to the election was politically smart (assuming this was Obama’s wish), but had to be killing the Rev. given his prior role and relevance to the Democratic Party on the national scene.

    Viewing the events of these recent months through his eyes, it would not surprise me that he might approach Blago directly. Jesse has been around long enough to have seen it all, and may have set his sites on Obama’s Senate seat (for his son) as long as a year ago. He knows Chicago politics, and it is pretty clear based on Blago’s own words that the ONLY way JJJ was going to get this seat was to pay for it.

  13. EvilParallelUniverse says:

    You need to watch more police procedurals on TV obviously.

    More seriously, anyone with whom the FBI would like to to speak would be well advised to hire counsel, whether a suspect, a potential witness, whatever. I can’t say it isn’t fair to speculate, but the hiring of counsel doesn’t really say much without more.

    • emptywheel says:

      You’re undoubtedly right–my usage of it comes from the Toobz, but I agree that you’re right on proper usage.

      And I agree that with your comment about counsel. As I said, it is quite possible that JJS just hired counsel so he can go to Fitz and say, “I spoke to Blago about Jr on November X, but we didn’t talk money.” Basically, all we know is what Blago has said, which can’t be considered reliable.

      • LabDancer says:

        Gotta figure it says something on the standing of your blog on this drama when EPU doesn’t merely shows up, but on time and [whoa] engages.

        Awe: it’s what I’m in.

    • nextstopchicago says:

      No doubt anyone asked to speak to the Fed is wise to lawyer up – whatever the definition, and I’ve certainly always heard it used to mean hiring one.

      But anyway, that’s just it. The lawyer means that he seems to have been asked to speak to the FBI. We didn’t know that before, and it seems unlikely that this would be a completely benign informational chat. Much more likely that if he’s talking, it’s because he was involved in the conversations mentioned in the complaint.

      • EvilParallelUniverse says:

        It does mean hiring a lawyer, but in the specific context of hiring a lawyer so the authorities will stop speaking with/questioning you.

        The issue, if it is an issue, is that when someone is said to have “lawyered up,” it implies they are not “cooperating” and are either the target of the investigation or have things to hide.

        That is a very different implication than simply hiring counsel.

        • FrankProbst says:

          From a purely practical standpoint, I don’t see much difference, particularly in this case. Yes, he is “simply hiring counsel.” But I can’t imagine that ANY lawyer is going to say to Jesse Jackson, “Sure, go ahead and meet with the Feds without me. Tell them whatever you want. And send me a text message afterwards to let me know how it went.”

          • EvilParallelUniverse says:

            You’re missing the point. Again, to lawyer up means to not talk b/c because your lawyer – the “lawyered” part of “lawyered up” – told you to shut up – the “up” part of “lawyered up.”

            Which is different from having counsel present when you are being questioned, which is known as “having counsel present when you are being questioned.”

            From a purely practical or impractical standpoint, they are very different.

        • nextstopchicago says:

          Lookit, you need to lawyer up, if you understand what I’m saying.

          You’ve written this several times, and all the repetition doesn’t change the fact that when I google it, there are loads of hits for people using it the way I’m using it.

          I think you’ve lost possession of this phrase. The people have repoed it.

  14. Peterr says:

    Given the fact that Blago claimed last week that he was first approached by an emissary of JJJ with a monetary deal for the senate seat before the election, and given the high likelihood that the Feds taped the meeting between JJJ and Blago on Monday, I’d say the Reverend’s lawyering up is very ominous indeed.

    It may also be a day late and a dollar short.

    If Fitz had enough to arrest Blago, he also likely would have had enough to get additional taps put on some other phones. If Fitz had taps on the phones of Candidate 5 and his confidants BEFORE the presser, his rather evocative remarks to the press (”worst of all” and “Lincoln rolling over in his grave” comes to mind) may have been designed to stir up the hornets’ nest to see if someone would say something stupid during or after Fitz finished.

    Given the egos involved, Candidate 5 and his confidants might just have been stupid enough or distracted enough or angry enough to take Fitz’s bait, call each other, and say something they’re going to regret the next time Fitz steps up to a microphone.

  15. Leen says:

    So one would imagine that the folks who were “popping on and off that line” discussing that Senate seat are calling or knocking on Fitz’s door. Or will they all just “lawyer up”?

  16. bgrothus says:

    Well, all of the blabbing of Blago is just talk, though all the talk does add up to the charge of conspiring.

    He did so much of it, that is a legal problem.

    One would think that JJS would have been smart enough to watch his words and what/how he promised/suggested. But Spitzer is smart too. And teh Clenis. Lotta smart people who all know better have been there, done that.

  17. Quzi says:

    Given the fact that Blago claimed last week that he was first approached by an emissary of JJJ with a monetary deal for the senate seat before the election, and given the high likelihood that the Feds taped the meeting between JJJ and Blago on Monday, I’d say the Reverend’s lawyering up is very ominous indeed.

    The plot thickens. It will be very interesting to see who squeals to Fitz…

    This has to be the craziest Political year in my lifetime — stranger than fiction! Marcy, I think it’s time for you to write another book.

  18. WilliamOckham says:

    All I have to say is that if my son was involved in a case brought by Patrick Fitzgerald, I’d be hiring a lawyer too.

    • Leen says:

      If I had done something that Fitz was trying to uncover I would just walk up that red carpet he rolled out yesterday and ask whats the best deal you can give me (that is unless it was my kids life at stake)

  19. freepatriot says:

    and what about my money ???

    there’s one thing the blagoff did accomplish

    Marcy ain’t writing about the auto bailout any more

    (hint hint)

    • nextstopchicago says:

      But freep, there is more in this scandal than you think. Cleaning up the Democratic Party is an important part of any effort to remake this country, first of all.

      Not much less important, this thing may well drag down several corporate behemoths. Public Radio today reported that TribuneCo is responding to subpoenas for documents related to the case. We haven’t seen the last of the Tribune Financial Adviser/Zell part of this case. And the identity of TFA may turn out to be more interesting than the identity of Candidate 5, to those of us who track power in this country.

  20. freepatriot says:

    Jebus am I slow

    gotta refresh more often or somethin

    great minds think alike, and minds like mine are about 5 minutes behind them

  21. SparklestheIguana says:

    Hey, remember when the media was still wildly speculating that maybe Blago would appoint…..FITZGERALD to the Senate seat??

    One wild-card option: US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the prosecutor behind many of the corruption investigations into the Blagojevich administration. That choice not only could prove to be popular with the public, but would also remove a big thorn from the governor’s side.

    Mr. Fitzgerald “would make a lot of people feel really happy,” says Green.

    (Christian Science Monitor, 11/25/08)

  22. nextstopchicago says:

    Just had a funny thought. For all the pols coming to visit him, Fitz may need to set up his own transition office in downtown Chicago. They may end up cordoning off half of the Loop between the Obama people, the Fitz talkers and the fact that the governor is actually heading down to the office in the Thompson every morning for the first time in several years.

    I heard that when he got in yesterday, he found that they’d closed his office for a search, so he had to work at another desk.

    I can just see Rod, sitting at a secretary’s desk, preening his hair and trying to figure what to do. “What did Jim Edgar do when he was Governor? If you’re not looking out for yourself, what else does a governor do? I could go back and give those window workers more rice cakes, but I found one of them lodged in the back bumper of my SUV … Why won’t Alexi play hoops with me anymore? So I was a pansy about his throwing elbows. I bet Barack doesn’t let Alexi elbow him either. I wish Patti wasn’t so mad, cuz I hate the couch … Oh, crap. Feds. I better look like I’m working.”

  23. MadDog says:

    OT – Just a reminder that Glenn Greenwald will be on The Rachel Maddow Show tonight:

    …to discuss the closing of Guantanamo, the efforts already underway to make it difficult for Obama to do so, and related matters…

  24. kdh22 says:

    I know I’m gonna regret this, but here goes. I can’t stop thinking about Triple J’s shout out to his sister during his presser. It was weird and out-of-place, which leads my suspicious mind to believe it was code for something. I know, I know, conspiracy theorist am I.

  25. ThreadTheorist says:

    Musings on what Blago’s lawyer might have told him regarding resigning. A resignation is the only thing Blago has left for a plea negotiation. So I don’t think a resignation will happen until Fitzgerald has presented his case to a grand jury (20 day limit?) and the scope of an indictment is laid before Blago. In turn Fitzgerald will be pressured by the Bush administration to drive a hard bargain (jail time) in a plea deal, since it is to their benefit to keep the case alive to embarrass the Democrats as long as possible. So while a resignation is what the people of Illinois need most right now, I don’t see it as a near term possibility.

  26. Blub says:

    OT http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28180540/

    Bipartisan commission says shrub responsible for US torture/human rights abuses, not commanders/guards/Pentagon or other lower level peoples. Buck stops where it belongs, apparently.

    “WASHINGTON – The physical and mental abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay Naval Base was the direct result of Bush administration policies and should not be dismissed as the bad work of guards and interrogators, a Senate report concludes.”

    Which report will I hope be exhibit #1 at the war crimes trials. Orange jumpsuit time, I hope.

  27. Sara says:

    Two Days ago I posted in EPU land on a thread, that Blagojevich and Jesse Jackson Sr. know each other well — from years back. Blago was first elected to fill Dan Rostenkowski’s seat when he went to jail for boosting postage stamps from his house accounts, and immediately upon election, Blago became a figure all over TV serving the interests of Slovadan Miloisevic — I think it was just in the wake of the Dayton Accords. Anyhow I got a little curious about who was this character making the case for the butcher of Belograd, so looked him up and yea, he was getting lots of money from various Serb groups, most of whom had never donated much in the way of political money. Made odd assumption — maybe this guy is taking in some “Serbian Gold” as he frequently was on TV with some of the paid lobbyists for Milsevic’s Serbia.

    Anyhow, when Kosovo began to heat up, the US sent the “Berlin Brigade” to Macedonia to guard the border between Serbia and Macedonia — which had just declared its independence from former Yugoslavia. The Berlin Brigade was the American outfit that had just been withdrawn from guarding former West Berlin — and while the US mission to Berlin ended with German Unification, the Brigade had been kept on site till the Russians withdrew their last forces — so they became available. Anyhow a patrol from that unit got captured by Serbs on the border during the run-up to what became the bombing of Serbia in the Kosovo matter — so Milosevic had on his hands a few American captives. A week or so before the bombing started, suddenly Jackson announced that he had been invited to Serbia by Milosevic along with Blagojevich, to discuss these captives — and to much TV attention, Jesse and Rod took off for Belograd, met with Slobadan, and then returned with the freed members of the Berlin Brigade.

    Great PR for both of them, and of course they depicted it as an indication that Milosevic had his humanitarian side, and could be persuaded with careful argument and negotiation. On one hand, a favor for Clinton as it took “hostages” off the table in planning for Kosovo operations, and to some extent, a PR ploy by Milosevic at little cost. Of course it tended to make Jackson and Blagojevich look like super diplomats.

    Anyhow I submit this “memory” of previous collaboration between Jackson Sr. and Blagojevich to be factored in here…I wonder who paid the freight for that bit of theatre back in the 90’s?

    • LabDancer says:

      This here is some major timely history – – and for the benefit of any newbies, brought to us courtesy the resident historian extraordinaire.

  28. Clovis says:

    I’m not going to look it up, but I remember … there was union trouble at some brewery in the midwest, and right behind the reporters was – Jessie Jackson. He did have the power to blow the whole deal if he didn’t like it, but he blessed it, and all was settled without further trouble.

    Minor note. Two sons of Jackson were awarded lucrative beer distributorships shortly after the settlement from the very same brewery. It was quite a coincidence, as neither had any experience in that line.

    Am I remembering correctly?

    • freepatriot says:

      (there was supposed to be a text emoticon after that “;-)”, but, alas, it got eaten).

      it will probably show up later, when nobody is reading this thread

      (ducking and running)

  29. JoeBuck says:

    Aren’t you getting ahead of yourselves?

    If there’s actual evidence of anyone offering cash for a Senate seat, by all means bust them. But there’s way too much speculation here, and way too much assuming that retaining counsel is the act of a guilty person. There also seems to be an assumption that because Blagojevich said on tape that some third party did something, that it actually happened the way Blago described, despite the fact that people who know him regularly describe him as delusional. We shouldn’t take his claims that people were offering him all this stuff at face value, though he made it very clear that he was shaking people down.

    Let’s try to keep things reality based. For instance, this article says

    “Associate of SC 5: Approached Blago with a “pay to play” offer”

    Correction: Blago was taped saying that he was approached with a “pay to play” offer from an associate of number 5, and that he might be able to make a deal with this guy (evidently Jackson Jr.). Presumably Fitzgerald has some of that on tape, but correct me if I’m wrong, emptywheel, was was released so far seems to be just Blago’s word.

    Given Jackson Jr’s strong denials yesterday after the point where he knew any meeting was on tape, my guess is that he’s pretty confident he didn’t say anything incriminating.

    • emptywheel says:

      Agree–and have made the point in every post on JJJ that all we have is what Blago said about people purportedly tied to JJJ.

      And the same is true–in general–about JJS: we have no reason to believe he offered anything to Blago.

      However, JJS’s retention of counsel is significant, insofar as it suggests someone in JJJ’s circle had contacts of sufficient interest that he felt the need to be represented before he (presumably) spoke to the Feds about it.

      JJJ did not deny that someone had made an offer on his behalf–he denied that he had authorized it. And Blago’s statements here are not–like they are on most of these things–brainstorming statements about what he might do. While I think there’s no reason to credit his perspective about what “Emissary” and “Associate” were doing, I also suspect they did talk to him.

      And, as I said, I think there’s a very good chance that the Feds have a tape of Monday’s meeting. The quickness with which they called JJJ, told him they were going to arrest the gov, and arrested him, suggests that if they do it may have incriminated Blago.

      I would, however, disagree with your description that JJJ’s denials “were strong.” IMO they were carefully parsed–actually quite narrow denials, limited to himself. He said he didn’t do anything wrong. But he did not deny that those associated with him may have done something wrong.

      • JoeBuck says:

        Really? You expect JJJ to deny that anyone associated with him did anything wrong? How would he know? I would never deny that any of my colleagues did anything wrong, because how the hell would I know what they did when I wasn’t watching?

        And his denials were not strictly limited to himself. He said

        “I did not initiate or authorize anyone at anytime to promise anything to Governor Blagojevich on my behalf.”

        Now, one question I don’t know if anyone asked JJJ is whether he was aware that Blago was trying to get anything in exchange for an appointment.

        • emptywheel says:

          I still count that as to himself.

          Pretend for the moment that he knew–or was told by the FBI–that someone HAD offered something on his behalf. That denial would still be totally valid: if he didn’t know, he’s got no criminal liability, even if (as is the most damaging I think may have happened wrt him) he talked a lot about “service to Blago” in exchange for the appointment on Monday.

          What JJJ did was basically NOT contest that someone HAD said something–but disavow himself of those statements. That’s not to say statements happened (which is where we were before any of his associates got into this). BUt it’s to say that he doesn’t knwo and wants to make clear he is only speaking for himself–he is saying he has no criminal liability, but certainly NOT vouching for his associates.

    • bell says:

      speculation goes on ahead of what people konw… that is all it is at this point – speculation.. no solid proof as yet… i don’t think anyone has done what bush would have done in the circumstance of being with a ’suspected terrorist’… bush would have had someone quarter him by now… nothing of this nature has in any regard been initiated with jjj.. it is speculation and that is all.. i see nothing wrong with speculation myself..

  30. JoeBuck says:

    I did a little more research. MSNBC says:

    A law enforcement official confirms that the person referred to in the federal criminal complaint against Gov. Rod Blagojevich as “Candidate 5″ is Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr.

    However, federal officials caution that they have no evidence, other than statements made by Blagojevich, about whether Candidate 5 actually made any improper approaches to the governor. No conversations with Candidate 5 were ever picked up on any of the bugs or wiretaps.

    And it gets worse for those who’d like to railroad JJJ:

    It’s important to note that this is a third-hand statement: Blagovich is repeating what he says was the emissary’s description of what Candidate 5 said.

    Please be careful before besmirching the reputation of the Jackson family, on the basis of one unreliable person’s word.

  31. nextstopchicago says:

    Joe Buck,

    I agree with you that at this point, there is no evidence. And that getting a lawyer merely means you don’t want to get in trouble, not that you think you should be in any.

    The one thing that is somewhat alarming to me is Jim Montgomery, a very good lawyer, formerly Harold Washington’s lawyer, saying “Jesse Jr. hasnt done any wrongdoing.” As I said in an earlier thread, he is going out of his way to parse his Jackson’s here. I find it a strained phrase, not only for the way he names Congressman Jackson, but also for the clumsy redundancy of ‘done any wrongdoing’, which is the sort of thing you say when midway through a sentence you get nervous about what you’ve just said.

    Or, it may mean absolutely nothing at all. We’re all engaged in Kremlinology here, partly because we’re very interested, and partly, at least for me, because there is a subtext that some things get prosecuted and others don’t, and yet I’d like to know more about them anyway.

    I’m watching Jesse Jr. on WGN right now, and he makes an emotional close in front of his house, but again, a very personal one. He doesn’t say that no one among his associates has made these approaches. He says he’s confident people will come to see he has done no wrong. But the criminal complaint is all about people acting on his behalf, not him.

    It contrasts very strongly with Barack, who is on now, saying he’s “very confident that noone” around him has been involved.

    I believe Jesse Jr., watching him. But I think he’s speaking very exactitude. He believes someone in his circle made these approaches, without his knowledge. Few staffers would feel the confidence to do that. His father might. Or might not …

    Again, this doesn’t even add up to circumstantial evidence. It just adds up to a personal suspicion

    I’d also add that the standards for judging someone in your own mind and in conversation with friends (or on a blog) are quite different from the standards for trying them before a jury. It’s fair to talk this out here. And it’s very fair for you to keep pointing out the weakness of the ‘evidence.’

    Notice that Rahm, who is on right now, simply isn’t answering questions. That contrasts with both Jesse and Barack. It’s interesting. It doesn’t mean anything yet. But it’s interesting.

    I think we’re going to learn a lot more. Some of it quite soon.

    • LabDancer says:

      NSC: Nice “talk me down” work; don’t wanna spook the herd.

      And certainlhy no need to point out JJJ never mentioned his far more famous and notorious father JJS – not at all; not even once; not even in passing.

      Or to raise again which Sarah has brought to our attention here, that:

      long ago ago said father formed a working relationship with a then obscure and undistinguished US congressman –

      who just happens now to be the very same Governor MacBlago –

      in the throes of which the two acted jointly on a project of hostage negotiation and international derring-do in a land far away,

      the success of which I’m inclined to believe had more to do with said then-world famous father than said obscure undistinguished congressional rep,

      and while no doubt it worked to the benefit of each,

      it appears to have worked so much more to the benefit of MacBlago:

      being he was so obscure and all,
      and being it all took place in Serbia and all,
      and being like he was like maybe the second Serbian-American in US national political history and all,

      none of which it seems JJJ’s father ever resented or anything;

      which of course may speak to the bigness of the man –
      or of the political marker involved –
      or maybe both.

      But gosh, the first and last kind of fly in the face of the same guy’s off-air confession THIS YEAR to wanting to emasculate a certain presidential nominee – don’t ya think?].

      And certainly no need to raise the identify of he who in all the world would be most likely to best remember BOTH that incident
      AND that somehow MacBlago was able to overcome his essential obscurity and narrow base to such a degree that within 4 years he was voted in as the first Democratic governor of Illinois in 3 frickin’ DECADES
      AND that over two gubernatorial elections came to command something approaching NINETY PER CENT of the African-American vote, to the point he actually referred to himself as the state’s “first black governor”… WOW!

      And it would be needlessly provocative to raise that if the answer to that question is not MacBlago, I in particular would be prepared to bet a whole heck of a lot that the person in the best position in the world to REMIND McBlago of all of it would be JJJ’s said dear old dad.

      [And no, kdh22, I do NOT think you’re nuts for suggesting that’s something’s going on when JJJ says NOTHING about his father, but chooses instead to tell public about a phone call received that morning from his SISTER, as to how “proud” she is of him.

      Lot’s to be proud of with such a brother, I’m sure – but clearly the implication was that someone as close to him AS HIS FATHER has reason to feel PRIDE in what JJJ has done in this little drama.]

      And of course there’s no need to enter into a gainsaying competition [Dad got himself a lawyer! – So what? Lotsa folks do that! – Are you frickin’ KIDDIN’ me?].

      Just leave the the cattle to low.

  32. nextstopchicago says:

    Vindication! I definitely think it’s fair to suggest that someone around Cong. Jackson may have done something, now that Ald. Jackson (Sandi, his wife) is suggesting it:

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news…..-Says.html

    >”The unfortunate part about this is you never know what people are doing when they’re not in your presence, and you can’t control what people do when they’re not in your presence. Someone may be thinking that they’re helping you when they’re actually hurting you.”

    And while we’re on the topic, I seem not to have noticed that NBC Chicago has quietly become the best source of written news about the city. I’ve ignored the local teevee stations forever, assuming they mostly had their video stuff. But NBC has about as many written pieces on this as the Trib, and they’ve got a much better instinct for what’s news. The Sandi Jackson thing is about the first news today.

  33. rosalind says:

    per ABC:

    Rev. Jesse Jackson says he played no role and was not “an emissary” in alleged efforts to make a deal with Governor Rod Blagojevich for the appointment of his son, Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL) to the U.S. Senate.

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