Dick Asks Obama to Wave His Magic Wand

During the week that Dick Cheney ordered Libby to out Valerie Plame, Mary Matalin told Libby that "Bush" should order everything on the Wilsons declassified (it’s not clear whether Matalin meant this to include Plame’s identity or not). She said "the President should wave his magic wand" to declassify the oppo on the Wilsons. (She said this in the same conversation, IIRC, in which she called Joe Wilson a snake.)

I thought of that today when I read Cheney’s latest attempt to pressure Obama to declassify his propaganda on torture. (h/t Bob Fertik)

I saw that information as vice president, and I reviewed some of it again at the National Archives last month. I’ve formally asked that it be declassified so the American people can see the intelligence we obtained, the things we learned, and the consequences for national security. And as you may have heard, last week that request was formally rejected.

It’s worth recalling that ultimate power of declassification belongs to the President himself. President Obama has used his declassification power to reveal what happened in the interrogation of terrorists. Now let him use that same power to show Americans what did not happen, thanks to the good work of our intelligence officials.

C’mon, Obama, wave that magic wand, Dick appears to be begging. A wonder, huh, that he’s resorting to selective declassification again to try to win a political argument.

Selective declassification, that is, and a selective memory. Central to Cheney’s narrative, you see, is that Obama "used his declassification power to reveal what happened in the interrogation of terrorists." Now, to be fair, Obama did participate in discussions of whether or not to release those documents. But ACLU didn’t get the documents from Obama or the White House. It got them from DOJ, the originator of the memos.Those memos got handed over in the same way any routine successful FOIA request would  (even if this did end up being a non-routine FOIA request). 

I guess in Dick Cheney’s little mind, it always has to be about the executive waving his magic wand.

Update: Ah jeebus. As if working from a script, Fox’s Major Garrett rushed off to the press conference and started waving Dick’s magic wand for him.

Q A follow-up on Mark’s question, does the President agree or disagree with the Vice President’s contention that he has the authority to declassify the CIA memos? Does he agree with that?

MR. GIBBS: I think the government obviously has the ability to — but I don’t want to be flip —

Q Cheney says the President, if he wanted to, could declassify —

MR. GIBBS: I don’t want to be flip on this, but I —

Q I just want to make sure that the President — do you agree with that or disagree with that?

MR. GIBBS: That the government has the ability?

Q The President has the sole executive authority, if he chose to, to declassify those memos and make them public, redacted —

MR. GIBBS: Well, I think the original executive authority would be at the CIA. That’s the determination that was made on his first request and, again, Major, we were — as I understand it, the CIA was very cognizant of the process by which it was asked and the process by which it went through, that that was treated —

Q Right, and the Vice President acknowledged that process in his speech, then he said, the President has the authority to overrule that. I’m asking if you agree or disagree with that.

MR. GIBBS: I would suggest that if there’s a formal submission by the Vice President for renewed declassification based on another method —

Q Who would he make it to? The President?

MR. GIBBS: No, well, I think he’d send the letter to the same place he sent it in — many weeks ago to the CIA.

Q But do you agree with his contention the President, if he so chose, could declassify these memos?

MR. GIBBS: I think the President has declassification powers, yes.

Q Okay.

MR. GIBBS: But I don’t —

Q But at this point he has no intention of exercising those for these memos.

MR. GIBBS: I’d have to ask him.

Q Please do.

MR. GIBBS: Again, I think that there’s — the Vice President has used the submission process — again, I’m not trying to be flip here, but I don’t want to — I guess it’s the short answer of saying that I think the CIA would probably want —

Q What Mark and I are getting at is the Vice President is alleging that the President is intentionally depriving the country of a certain amount of facts it could evaluate on its own.

MR. GIBBS: That I would disagree with. That I would disagree with because, again, the process was gone through — the Vice President understands the declassification of very sensitive classified information. That’s why he made the — I assume the reason that he made that request originally was — through that process was done so because he understood how that process worked.

Q Right. But we’ve asked, many of us here, in the last couple of weeks, does the President have any intention of declassifying these. And I guess renewing that —

MR. GIBBS: I will certainly —

Q — general request, since you’ve acknowledged he has the power to do so?

MR. GIBBS: I will check.

74 replies
  1. MadDog says:

    …I guess in Dick Cheney’s little mind, it always has to be about the executive waving his magic wand.

    That sounds almost pornographic. *g*

    • emptywheel says:

      You know. I wrote this post on my new NetBook, to make sure I could blog on the damn thing. And yea, sorry, the whole thing came out sounding a lot dirtier than I meant it to.

      • phred says:

        For which I thank you. I’ll be smirking about Dick’s wand having lost its magic for the rest of the evening ; )

        So how do you like your NetBook???

        • emptywheel says:

          Not enough mileage. I just got one of those HP minis. It’s cheap, it’s about 10 pounds lighter than the HP that’s kept me happy for 4 years, and it appears that it will do what I need it to (I just gotta figure out how to smoosh Office in there. And all of a sudden XP is the default, not an extra to get instead of Vista.

          So I’ll take it, and reassess on a full size in half a year’s time. This will work, I figure, unless I gotta liveblog a trial again, and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

          • MadDog says:

            I’m looking at HP’s Mini 1000 XP Edition right now.

            On the Office problem, is that because you have Office on a CD, but no CD drive to install it from?

            If it’s an issue that you don’t have a CD drive, there are a couple things to try:

            1. Copy the Office CD onto a USB flash drive via your other PC that has a CD drive, and then plug the USB flash drive into your NetBook to try an install there. I’ve not attempted this, so it may not even work. Even if it did install, you might run into licensing issues if you’ve already installed it on another PC.

            2. You might want to check out and download a free copy of OpenOffice Suite.

  2. Leen says:

    Dick said 9/11 25x’s in his poisonous speech today. Cheney’s message be very very afraid. Still really like what Andrew Sullivan had to say on Chris Matthews show this past Sunday

    Andrew Sullivan “he’s afraid he is very afraid. That’s why he’s doing this, there is no other reason for this”

    Matthews: “He’s afraid he’s going to be nailed on torture”

    Andrew Sullivan: “He authorized and we now know this the torture of human beings. We know this from the Red Cross, we know this from Office of Legal Council memos, we know this from the Senate Armed Service Committee report. We know the policies that he enforced and pioneered and insisted on led to the torture of hundreds..thousands of human beings. Now those are WAR CRIMES.
    If the government if the government has the power to torture evidence (mistake I believe). Where are CONSERVATIVES ON THIS? Where are conservatives who believe in restraining executive power and the danger of torturing”

    ANDREW SULLIVAN RIPPED THROUGH THE BULLSHIT..Where are the CONSERVATIVES ON THIS? Sullivan brings up what Soufan has said


  3. MadDog says:

    Bob Graham has an opinion piece out in the St. Petersburg Times:

    Keeping intelligence focused on the future

    …The controversy over “enhanced interrogation techniques” demonstrates that this relationship of mutual respect and sharing of consequences has shattered. Indeed, the CIA’s calendar of legislative briefings indicates that even the appearance of congressional notification occurred after waterboarding and other extraordinary methods of interrogation had been in use for weeks…

    …The CIA needs to improve its records management system. The imbroglio over dates of interrogation briefings is not the first instance in which CIA assertions of certitude were contravened by my own records. I learned from my father to keep a detailed daily log of my activities. From my collection of spiral notebooks and my schedule for the dates in question, I confirmed, and the CIA concurred, that three of the four briefings I supposedly attended never occurred.

    An individual member of Congress should not have better records than the nation’s premier intelligence agency. Congress and the CIA might start by establishing a practice similar to that required of publicly traded companies: keeping a transcript or at least detailed minutes of every classified briefing, with the documentation materials contemporaneously circulated among all participants and signed as having been agreed to or specifically dissented from. This would help prevent incidents of conflicting memories of an unrecorded briefing years earlier…

  4. AZ Matt says:

    Obama Lawyers Urge Rejection of Leak Suit Against Cheney, Rove

    May 20 (Bloomberg) — The Obama administration urged the U.S. Supreme Court not to revive a lawsuit accusing former Vice President Dick Cheney and other officials in the George W. Bush White House of illegally revealing the identity of a CIA agent.

    U.S. Solicitor General Elena Kagan, the government’s top courtroom lawyer, told the justices in a legal filing today that a federal appeals court was right to dismiss the suit by former CIA operative Valerie Plame.

    • Blub says:

      I understand the politics of this, but I don’t understand why the president can’t just say “I wash my hands of all this. The courts and th courts alone will decide these matters. I will direct the Justice Department to enforce the law, nothing more and nothing less. My presidency has no position whatsoever on whether and who in the previous administration may or may not have broken the law and whether or not they should be punished for whatever they may have done, and I will not be drawn into this discussion.”

      …then let the Justice Dept do its job…

  5. FrankProbst says:

    I think that every future release of information should be prefaced with something like, “Dick Cheney has requested that we declassify information on the previous Administration’s use of torture…”

    • emptywheel says:

      You know, if Gibbs were sharper on his feet (he usually is), he would have said, “You know, if Cheney wanted this, he should have asked the last President to wave his magic wand to declassify this material.”

      • MadDog says:

        I’m still wondering just how PapaDick retained his security clearance (or any security clearance) in order to read the obviously Top Secret/SCI material at the National Archives.

        Just because he once had clearance, doesn’t mean that he still retains that clearance, and particularly SCI compartmented stuff.

        I would think somebody in the Obama Administration would/should jerk his clearance.

        And just like PapaDick did with Congress, notification is not a requirement.

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:


      And wow, I hope the National Archives has called in a good exorcist or two to clear out whatever bad juju Cheney’s presence left behind.

  6. emerson says:

    Question for Marcy? (A little OT) Jane Mayer said one area that has not really been mentioned much is that Obama decided not to release the photos after meeting With Gen. Odierno, among others. Since Odierno had general jurisdiction at that time, how is that not an obvious case of CYA, and why would Obama agree to bury evidence in that situation? Would Obama be criminally culpable?

  7. emptywheel says:

    My impression is that McChrystal (the guy who just got picked to lead Afghanistan) had a more direct role than Odierno, at least in the commission of the abuse (Odierno might have had some say in whether punishments didn’t happen). So yeah, I think Obama might be culpable in theory. Though I think in the end this stuff will come out (I think they’ll lose in court).

    • LabDancer says:

      I agree with all that, but also think it goes further.

      I don’t know if the sordid business is worthy of being labeled ‘nuanced’, but McKiernan’s impeccable reputation [earned for warfare-by-the-book and assiduous adherence to chain-of-command] appears to have been sacrificed deliberately to draw a line between the previous tactic relying materially on drones, along with McCrystal’s nomination reflecting a decision to work with Pakistani security on ITS terms [I’m sure each side, if free to do so, would claim readily to ‘understand’, ‘communicate’ and ‘expect to be able to function with’ the other; there may actually be some one-on-one peer officer bonding involved here, along the lines of the Brit model of co-training at Sandhurst.]. Further along this line, Obama’s decision not to FORMALLY or OFFICIALLY release the photos [It seems they’re being outed by other means.] serves to confirm not only the military concern that there’s a huge p.r. problem with McCrystal, but also that the Pakistani security forces very much appreciate being provided another donkey to pin the tail of their own long-time reliance on pretty much the tactics swirling around McCrystal’s rep; and it all allows for a greater latitude of mutual deniability-by-finger-pointing than with drones.

      Otherwise, FWIW, Isikoff [Newman!!] reported, AOT of course, Obama saying at last night’s conflab [with — pick one — [a] extreme liberals [b] his lefty base [c] a small number of human rights groups] that his decision on the photos was solely about ‘timing’, implying a future flip.

      • Nell says:

        Isikoff … reported … Obama saying at last night’s conflab with … a small number of human rights groups that his decision on the photos was solely about ‘timing’, implying a future flip.

        Of course it’s about timing, but it doesn’t imply any future “flip”.

        For his decision to re-fight the release to result in suppression, two things would have to happen: Supreme Ct agrees to hear, and SC agrees to the govt’s ridiculous “new” argument for exemption.

        They’re not likely to do both those things, so the move by Obama, which is almost certainly related to McChrystal’s confirmation hearings, as well as his new legalize-detention-without-trial proposal and soft-pedaling past torture generally, is all about buying time.

  8. pseudonymousinnc says:

    Actually, it’s a declassification shotgun, which sprays lead at every document in a wide range.

  9. bobschacht says:

    Interesting to hear that you got a netbook and like it, even though you got one of the lower-rated netbooks. I gotta learn about smooshing Office into one, as I’m about to get an Acer Aspire One, as my old laptop is getting decrepit. I’m thinking of doing the job with PC Mover…

    Let us know how it goes.

    And as long as I’m OT, let me ask this about the U.S. Auto industry:
    Howcum when GM or Chrysler decides it has to dump a model, like the Saturn, or the PT Cruiser, or Pontiac, howcum they just shut it down, rather than auctioning off the whole line, from R&D shop to factory to showrooms, to some other car maker? Wouldn’t some other car maker pay a lot to get that kind of brand recognition and customer base?

    Bob in HI

    • emptywheel says:

      In this market, no, another maker isn’t going to pay that money. These aren’t profitable, which is why they’re being shut down. Depending on what happens with Opel, Saturn may survive. But Pontiac really doesn’t work outside of the US and it’s not a brand that–for example, SAIC has worked with (they’d be a lot quicker to snap up Buick, I imagine).

      • bobschacht says:

        I was thinking that maybe another car maker might think they could re-engineer and re-market the brand so that it would be profitable. But that assumes the diagnosis that GM or Chrysler did a bad job of engineering and/or marketing.

        Bob in HI

        • dmac says:

          New head of Chrysler Group

          home : news : news May 21, 2009
          Board of Trustees: OU chairman to become head of Chrysler Group
          5/21/2009 12:43:00 AM Email this article • Print this article

          Jessie Balmert • For The Post • [email protected]

          Chrysler announced yesterday that the chairman of Ohio University’s Board of Trustees will head its new, government-backed corporation.

          C. Robert Kidder, currently chairman and chief executive officer of Columbus-based investment firm 3Stone Advisors LLC, has more than 40 years of experience in business leadership, including serving as chairman and CEO of Duracell and Borden Chemical. Kidder was voted chairman of OU’s Board of Trustees last Thursday. He will become chairman of Chrysler Group, which will inherit Chrysler’s assets and merge with Italian automaker Fiat.

  10. MadDog says:

    Wrt your update, Fox’s Major Garrett is a major wingnut and PITA!

    Gibbs ought to have figured out by now that it really isn’t worthwhile calling on him, and instead call on some of the lesser PITA luminaries like David Corn.

    • MadDog says:

      As if more examples of Faux News wingnuttiness were needed, there this:

      …As for the former vice president, while he certainly can and should defend what Bush did to prevent another 9/11, the debate has become a distraction from the real issue.

      We should spend much more time debating the way forward. For example, the current Obama interrogation restrictions mean that the CIA cannot interrogate a suspected terrorist as forcefully as the NYPD can interrogate a suspected shoplifter. Does that make sense? That is something worth debating.

      And from one comment over there to that post (misspellings and all):

      Funny, today the feds capture 4 terrorists in NY. The methods used to learn of their plot included a number of things Obama has declared to be illegal.

      If a terrorist event occurs in the US under Obama and we are not using all the methods Bush allowed, Obama will be forced to resign and all Democrats in Congress that voted with Obama on terrorist policy will also be forced to resign. Biden will be declared to be incopetent to be President due to his well documented inability to keep any secret.

      This part amazes me:

      “The methods used to learn of their plot included a number of things Obama has declared to be illegal.”

      Uhmm…no, running a sting operation has not been declared illegal wingnuts. Not by Obama or anyone else.

      Their fevered hallucinations may seem funny to us, but these screechers believe this stuff is real.

  11. darter22 says:

    I really want this spineless, unprincipled, blowhard to go back to Wyoming and have a massive coronary. Dick, you worthless piece of shit, I’d like to buy you a chocolate covered, deep fried Twinkie. Asshole.

  12. RickMassimo says:

    As if working from a script, Fox’s Major Garrett rushed off to the press conference and started waving Dick’s magic wand for him.

    What do you mean AS IF working from a script?

  13. ART45 says:

    I wish this story weren’t about Cheney vs. Obama.

    The real story is Cheney, Obama, et al vs. the rest of us.

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      Many have fled Cheney, and more are surely waiting with documents, dates, etc.
      More like the Alamo, but the ‘last stand’ is turning into a fairly drawn out, ghastly affair.

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          Please be right.
          And if Matalin turns into a snake at the very moment that Cheney melts from rage, so be it.

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          The rich irony of a man who wouldn’t even permit the publication of his own staff – who were on the PUBLIC payroll!! – bleating that Obama is somehow ‘hiding’ or only releasing info that helps his case is mighty strange.

          A guy who couldn’t supervise the retention of legally required emails?
          The man who went to the Supreme Court to maintain the secrecy of the Energy Task Force documents?!

          Pass the popcorn.

          • jayt says:

            I smell a poker game.

            Obama: “I’m all in – I’ll release every single goddamned thing. Whaddya say Dick – you call?”

            • dmac says:

              ‘call? you can’t call until i say you can call, this is my game you little f-r. addington, hand me that envelope over there, yoo, watch the door.’

              obama says, ‘fly by night, fly by night’

              secret service crashes the door, yoo smashed, flattened, broken jaw and writing hand, addington pees his pants and bites his tongue enough for stitches, cheney has a stroke. years of rehab to talk or write.(but ‘mods’, he lives, so, no killing.)

              • emerson says:

                and he continues with the MSM press conferences using just his darting eyes. Eventually, MSM drops Obama PC’s and covers only mumdick PCs with a sympathetic vent. Fox headline- “Dick Censored”

                • dmac says:


                  he reminds me of the villain rat in that dom deloise cartoon…nihm, that’s it,
                  ‘the secret of nihm’.

          • emerson says:

            Panic manifests itself differently for different…entities. You’re right. we’ll need alot more popcorn.

          • RevBev says:

            So? Now do you think he is wanting more transparency? I’m not sure I can think of anyone (maybe the cruelist segregationists) who has so poisoned the debate…

            • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

              Actually, I’m with jayt. I think it’s some bizarro kind of poker: Cheney’s Dare.

              I don’t think that it’s ‘normal’ to be as angry, defiant, bullying, and black-white as Cheney seems to be — consistently, over many years. (FWIW, here’s a great link, although I’ve not verified that all the info on Cheney’s voting record from his time representing Wyoming in Congress is correct it’s quite a list.)

              He appears to have spent his life in settings where controlling information = power, privilege, and financial wealth: oil, oil related industries, positions in government from which he could control, stop, or filter ‘information’.

              He’s Mr. Military Industrial Complex, Enron-enabler, and Offshore Banking Overseer.
              ‘Transparency’ is not his gig.
              His DNA doesn’t recognize that concept.

              FWIW, here’s hoping this is not a duplicitous ‘covert action’ on Cheney’s part to suck up air time and tie Obama down in order to either remove attention from other things, and or gum up a branch of government that Cheney — more than almost anyone — would know how to screw (given his institutional knowledge).

              He’s like an aged, hungry, timber rattler on its final hunt; something to be dealt with firmly, but very, very prudently.

              • sunshine says:

                Chee knee had no problem taking tax dollars from these people to give to the elite war mongers.

                From any angle Dick Cheney’s congressional voting record presents a clear window into who he is and has been throughout his public life. Rather than one possessed of a servant’s concern for the American people, he is a man apparently possessed by a startling but consistent contempt for senior citizens, for poor and needy Americans and their children, for desperate workers stripped of their only source of income, and for everyday Americans struggling to educate their children, put food on their tables, and maintain decent homes – in other words, for almost all of those he claims to serve.

      • Petrocelli says:

        It sure seems that way … Cheney as his own frontman means that no one else is willing to keep spewing the same lies for fear of personal liability.

    • Petrocelli says:

      Okay, I did not need to see “Cheney’s magic wand” and “Lindsay Graham’s Lips” in the same sentence …

    • sunshine says:

      How many other opinions did Candiate Graham flip flop on after he was re-elected?
      Now, is this him “misleading” or “lieing”?

  14. Prairie Sunshine says:

    So now we have the fear faeries = Chee-knees Papa Dick and Baby Dick [props on that, EW], Mary Mataharilin and their ilk…

    And the media concern trolls like MajorSpin Garrett…

    Where are the orcs?

  15. Jkat says:

    makes me wonder ya noes .. if the program was so damn effective at saving mur’kin lives .. and our cities were saved from attack by using these methods .. why’d the bushies stop it 2004 ??

    and why didn’t THEY declassify tit and put it out here during their tour of duty .. ??

    my take .. there isn’t any “there” ..there ..*

    *[not to be confused with Thers .. who is here at times ]

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      And one suspects if it improved safety that professionals like Moro, and the FBI, would have supported it. Just for starters.

  16. Hugh says:

    The most unpopular VP in our history, in the worst Presidency in our history and he gets equal billing with Obama? Could the MSM be any more ludicrous? I agree with ART45, the real debate should be between Obama and the American people, between his campaign positions and his backtracking now, between upholding the Constitution and more Bushian lawlessness.

  17. MadDog says:

    EW, I don’t know if you ever ran across this NYT stuff:

    The Guantánamo Docket – The New York Times

    The Detainees

    Of the 779 people who have been detained at the United States military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, 534 have been transferred and 240 remain, according to analysis by The New York Times of documents from the Department of Defense. In addition, five detainees died while in custody. This interactive database includes information about the detainees, thousands of pages of government documents and links to court records and news media reports…

    I stumbled across it while Googling for a Abu Zubaydah Timeline, in which the NYT had this:

    Abu Zubaydah

    Abu Zubaydah is a citizen of the Palestinian Authority. He was captured in Pakistan in March 2002. He is one of 16 high-value detainees. As of May 21, 2009, he has been held at Guantánamo for two years eight months.

    In February 2008, Central Intelligence Agency director Gen. Michael V. Hayden confirmed publicly that waterboarding was used on three Qaeda prisoners, Abu Zubaydah, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed…

    And I then clicked over to this:


    A chronology of detainees’ captures, arrivals, transfers and deaths. This timeline is incomplete; The New York Times was only able to determine the year of capture for 419 of the 779 detainees. The date of arrival is only included for the 240 detainees who are still at Guantánamo…

  18. libbyliberal says:

    With 50 Dems voting against Obama’s money to exit Gitmo, Cheney’s drumbeat has already been clearly taken up and intimidated our glass-jawed Blue and baby blue dogs. (do you call them blue dogs in both Senate AND House, or is that just for reps?} Will horrors of torture be eclipsed in hearts and minds of our low-info majority by fear-mongering of Repubs and some Dems not to let terrorists within our borders? Not that our prison system could use some serious explorations.

    Cheney is such a stunning sociopath declaring how laudatory his and Bushco’s behavior. It is quite crazymaking to behold. And when he talks about “feigned righteousness” of those who take issue with their behavior there is such righteous disgust in his voice and on his face. His daughter declares he could be playing with his grandchildren but instead wants to make the future safe for them. How chilling is that? How dangerous he has made the future for millions of grandchildren around the world. And are we there in Afghanistan and Iraq and cronied up with Israel over the oil and natural gas chess game with China primarily ultimately over that pipeline, wanting to be big cheese player with that. Damn anything in his mind to interfere with this global game plan. Rules of declaring war, torture, whatever. And the jingoism is still working with the Repubs despite his unpopularity. Something enthralling about colossal chutzpah.

    OT-The NRA really has no prob. getting its way with recent bank legislation amendment re national parks and disclosed weapons. Seems the majority of Dems have tiptoed over to that side. The ban on AK47s is a casualty and more easily accessible weaponry for Mexican drug cartels, but America, ferociously protects its rights along with vast margins and damn the collateral damage to others outside the village!

  19. rkilowatt says:

    OT Queer datum collection on Cheney-torture-spying-

    1 How come Scooter Libby ran to Addington for reassurance that Bush/Cheney could unilaterally cancel Plame’s security status without formal notification process or first informing her or the CIA ? [or even do it retroactively merely by claiming it was done on some arbitrary date].
    Perhaps Libby has a decent conscience? Maybe Libby was played as a loyal pawn? Who else would undertake that mission to JudyJudy and blow a CIA cover? If Libby needed reassurance to disclose Plame, was he conflicted about Cheney/Rumsfield using torture? Or Libby knew nothing about torture?

    2 Rumsfield 2003 forced StateDept-DOD turf battle to ensure PBremer would report to Rumsfield/DOD, not State, on Iraq reconstruction. But note: Bremer replaced JGarner. Garner had been queer choice because, after Garner retired as a Army General, he went to work in a company that then got bought out by L3 Communications, a humungous comm systems company with NSA certification and covert listening and internet-interference capabilities. Queer it is, that Rumsfield would pull Garner out of L3 and make him reconstruction Viceroy in Iraq, only to discard him after few weeks for Bremer. Why Garner? Did Garner discover and protest something at L3?, then get pulled by Rumsfield to Iraq as Viceroy for few weeks followed by Rumsfield booting him [for allegedly favoring the StateDept approach in Iraq]?.

    3. Apparently Bush signed some secret authorization to spy on any US citizens, in or out of the US, in late 2001, followed by complaints of computer-attacks via internet that were traced back to L3. Complaints were taken to Congressional staffs, JRockefeller’s and others’, in early 2003. Allegedly, it was “acknowledged as happening” but there was “nothing Congress could do about it” and “Bush had used 911 to castrate the Congresshttp://www.pythiapress.com/letters/war.htm

  20. Frank33 says:

    Wilkerson talking about Darth’s strategy on
    Countdown. “It borders on treason.”

  21. perris says:

    I’m missing something marcy;

    saw that information as vice president, and I reviewed some of it again at the National Archives last month.

    excuse me?

    this sociopath still has security clearance?

    • Nell says:

      It’s why he wanted his papers at the Archives, purportedly; so that he could have access while writing his memoirs.*

      *The Future’s So Dark I Gotta Wear Night-Vision Goggles

  22. jackie says:

    What is Newt doing nowdays? He seems to have been in a position to know what was really going down..

    ‘Such hands-on involvement in the processing of intelligence data was unprecedented for a vice-president in recent times, and it put pressure on CIA officials to come up with the appropriate results.

    Another frequent visitor was Newt Gingrich, the former Republican party leader who resurfaced after September 11 as a Pentagon “consultant” and a member of its unpaid defence advisory board, with influence far beyond his official title.

    An intelligence official confirmed Mr Gingrich made “a couple of visits” but said there was nothing unusual about that.

    Rick Tyler, Mr Gingrich’s spokesman, said: “If he was at the CIA he was there to listen and learn, not to persuade or influence.”

    Mr Gingrich visited Langley three times before the war, and according to accounts, the political veteran sought to browbeat analysts into toughening up their assessments of Saddam’s menace.

    Mr Gingrich gained access to the CIA headquarters and was listened to because he was seen as a personal emissary of the Pentagon and, in particular, of the OSP. ‘

    And this bit just because:
    ‘Mr Tenet has officially taken responsibility for the president’s unsubstantiated claim in January that Saddam Hussein’s regime had been trying to buy uranium in Africa, but he also said his agency was under pressure to justify a war that the administration had already decided on.’

  23. tryggth says:

    Just got home. Haven’t watched the speeches yet. But did skim all the comments before posting (for a change).

    * Its a little weird in the update that Cheney is making this mano-a-mano. Or at least a surrogate is. First, I thought the “big” reason Bush chose Cheney is that he had no Presidential aspirations. But here it is. ‘(full neck swing, spit) I’ld be a better Preznit than Obama. Boy doesn’t even understand unitary executive stuff.”

    * Matlin? Matlin? I know I have this WHIG jones going, but as is evident in the update somewhere in team Shooter there is this ‘talking point’ about the magic of majesty which even to this day is still being played out.

    * Lets add to the list of people like Al-Libi we should be discussing fully, Arkan Mohammad Ghafil al Karim. Don’t know if he is in Kansas yet, but he was loosed from Gitmo just before the peaceful change of power.

    Guess I should go now and watch the things I presume to be commenting about.

  24. MarkH says:

    Former Veep Cheney said repeatedly they wanted to prevent the next attack. Well, not only did they fail in that regard since anthrax appeared from nowhere, but their quest to connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Iraq re-direct our force away from those who attacked us (if you believe the stories).

    He protests far far too much that they were only trying to prevent the next attack. Their actions against Al Qaeda were limited and they got back to their original plans to invade Iraq just as quickly as they could. As a result AQ’s leaders are possibly still out there plotting.

    Cheney says we should be afraid. I agree. We should be afraid of a lot of things the Bush admin. left in a mess for us to deal with.

  25. Leen says:

    Obama is starting to get beat up

    Watching Obama Morph Into Dick Cheney
    by Paul Craig Roberts, May 21, 2009
    A despairing country elected a president who promised change. Americans arrived from every state to witness in bitter cold Obama’s swearing-in ceremony. The mall was packed in a way that it has never been for any other president.

    The people’s good will toward Obama and the expectations they had for him were sufficient for Obama to end the gratuitous wars and enact major reforms. But Obama has deserted the people for the interests. He is relying on his non-threatening demeanor and rhetoric to convince the people that change is underway.

    The change that we are witnessing is in Obama, not in policies. Obama is morphing into Dick Cheney.

    Obama has not been in office four months and already a book could be written about his broken promises.

    When he is saying that a truth commission, special prosecutor, prosecutions are off the table. WTF…who made Obama god?

  26. libbyliberal says:

    So has anyone asked Cheney what of the 530 Gitmo prisoners released without being charged? And 240 left, some speculate only a couple dozen really seriously worthy of facing charges. So better to torture or kill the innocent just to catch the “baddies” in the net.

    Sounds like another drumbeat by Cheney and Mitch Mc. and Repubs is an anti-European sentiment. Obama trying to court European approval for sake of European approval. They don’t miss a trick.

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