Sexual Harassment Claim or Attempt to Silence?

I don’t know whether there’s any merit to the claim a Gitmo commander just filed against the Miami Herald’s Carol Rosenberg or not.

In a letter to the paper’s editor, Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon accused Carol Rosenberg of "multiple incidents of abusive and degrading comments of an explicitly sexual nature." Gordon, who deals primarily with the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison, said in the letter that this was a "formal sexual harassment complaint" and asked the Herald for a "thorough investigation."

"Her behavior has been so atrocious over the years," Gordon said in an interview. "I’ve been abused worse than the detainees have been abused."

But I do know two things. Rosenberg’s reporting from Gitmo has consistently been the best reporting from the military commissions.

And this accusation from Gordon sounds suspiciously like treatment US soldiers inflicted on detainees in military custody.

While watching Sept. 11, 2001, co-defendant Mustafa al-Hawsawi seated on a pillow in court last year, Rosenberg told Gordon: "Have you ever had a red hot poker shoved up your [butt]? Have you ever had a broomstick shoved up your [butt]? . . . How would you know how it feels if it never happened to you? Admit it, you liked it."

That is, the comment could be as much a comment about American members of the military dismissing torture as it is about harassment.

I’m not advocating ignoring a claim of harassment (note, Gordon claims Rosernberg made insinuations about his sexual orientation). But I do find it suspicious that this claim is being leveled against the best journalist covering our Kangaroo Courts.

  1. Phoenix Woman says:

    That quote sounds very much like something an outraged person would say (or rather, scream in rage and deep moral revulsion) to a perpetrator of that very act, trying to get him to feel empathy for the persons he’d violated.

    I do notice that Gordon is being very, very careful to present that quote shorn of almost all context. It will be interesting to see Rosenberg’s side of the story.

    • emptywheel says:

      Yeah. Imagine Gordon said, “What was done to Hawsawi and other detainees was not torture.” To which a sane person might bring up a case of torture and said, how would you like that?

    • Leen says:

      One would think she could just explain herself and the context, Gordon and Rosenberg could do some mediation. And then Obama could invite Gordon and Rosenberg into the Whitehouse to have a beer.

        • Leen says:

          I believe Obama is taking the having a beer with the President thing to new heights. You know not only a President you would like to have a beer with a President who you can have a beer with. Tee hee

          Time to invite Rosenberg and Gordon in for a beer


          Obama said at the end of his conversation with Crowley there was a discussion about Crowley and Professor Gates coming to the White House to have a beer together.

          President Obama has not spoken to Gates yet and there is no time yet scheduled for their beer get together, although White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs indicated that the meeting would likely happen.

          – Yunji de Nies, Sunlen Miller and Sarah Tobianski

          UPDATE: At 3:15 pm the president called and connected with Professor Gates. “They had a positive discussion during which the President told Gates about his call with Sgt. Crowley and statement to the media,” The White House says in a written statement.

          The President invited Gates to join him with Sgt. Crowley at the White House “in the near future.”

        • Leen says:

          The he misunderstood what she was trying to say effort. The let’s try to understand one another’s perspectives better effort. Demonstrate that they are willing to come to an understanding. Take the fire out of it.

          “bite back” is the way most folks do it. And you probably know better

          • skdadl says:

            Leen, look at what Rayne just wrote @ 75. This is political. Rosenberg and the Herald have to fight back; they really do.

            I simply do not believe that Gordon did this all on his own.

            “Forgive? Sounds good … Forget? I don’t think I could. They say time heals everything, but I’m still waiting.”

            • Leen says:

              I’ll go with you on this. Just think that sticking out your hand first can take the flame (fight) out of a situation.

              • Hmmm says:

                Ordinarily I would agree with that, however since she probably thinks (and who am I to disagree?) she’s dealing with a true hellspawned devil here, I wouldn’t expect a make-nice response under the circumstances.

          • esseff44 says:

            Yes, the Miami Herald is McClatchy. It has a web section devoted to GTMO that is updated by Carol Rosenberg. No wonder Gordon wants to shut her down. He’s complaining to her bosses about her behavior, but I wonder if it is directed towards the agreement between the paper and DOJ/DOD that permits reporters access to GTMO in the first place.


  2. JohnnyTable70 says:

    Rosenberg should welcome an actual FILED lawsuit because she could obtain discovery including deposing Gordon and others. Lying under oath is still a crime, and any experts on the UCMJ out there, is this conduct unbecoming (for filing a false law suit)?

    • Rayne says:

      Yup, discovery would be a huge benefit from this situation.

      I’d be sorely tempted to burn this source, too, if I were Rosenberg, although doing so in the course of a lawsuit would be tricky. There’s probably a ton of stuff in her notes which has never been published.

      On the other hand, have to wonder if the suit is intended to get access to her notes…

    • skdadl says:

      It doesn’t sound as though he’s had the guts to do that, though. That’s another reason to be suspicious of this attack on Rosenberg. It’s crooked to go after someone’s job if you truly believe you’ve got a legit reason to sue in a real court.

      Just my guess and my $0.02, but I think Gordon has just done a lot of us a big favour unless he does a fast backdown. Fight back, Miami Herald.

  3. acquarius74 says:

    I recommend that all go to EW’s link and look at that picture of Gordon’s cruel face. hmmm, is he a close relative of John Yoo?

    Right on, Carol Rosenberg, never give an inch!!

      • skdadl says:

        I hate to correct you, eoh, but are you sure you don’t mean Edward II?

        Richard III was killed on the field at Bosworth.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Yep. My bad.

          This “official” Navy response is just a return mind game. I don’t think they’re gonna win it. But it demonstrates once again that intimidating the press is the military’s principle occupation, like that of its political superiors.

  4. SaltinWound says:

    I thought sexual harassment was a term reserved for suing employers. I didn’t think a boss could sue an employee for harassment, and I didn’t think people with no employment relationship could sue. Does sexual harassment potentially include this sort of case or is there another term for it?

    • drational says:

      This is not a lawsuit, it is a complaint against her lodged with her employer and copied to the WaPo to get it spread around. He is reporting her “bad behavior” to her boss to try to get her in trouble:
      either fired or reassigned from GTMO. He “is retiring early next year, an exit date that may help explain the unusually harsh nature of his complaint against a journalist.”

      He wrote the letter to end her probing and critical GTMO reporting. Since they have no employee/employer relationship, he cannot sue her for sexual harrassment on EEOC law. This is a simple smear job. She was rude and mean to poor commander Gordon, but looking at her reporting, her methods were very effective.

      @Mary: Who knew that US military officers could be crippled by tough grrls? No doubt now added to al Qaeda EIT portfolio:

      17: Teasing from Burka
      In this method, American GI detainee is brought into room with meanest wife of Syed who then discusses with him how GI not man enough for goat and why he such big sissy. This method not to exceed 4 session in 24 hours, with each session not lasting longer that 20 minutes. This method not to be combined with #2 ullulation exceeding 120 decibels, or #12 forced eating of parts of ancient Buddha statues. Pretty sure not violates article 16 of CAT.

    • WTFOver says:

      that photo shows an ugly human being – ugh.

      this quote from the article tells the entire story:

      Los Angeles Times reporter Carol Williams, dismissed the letter, saying, “This is an attempt to discredit a journalist who has managed to transcend incredible odds to cover a story of tremendous significance to the American public.”

      this is so transparently an attempt by the usa military to shut up Rosenberg it is almost laughable.

      this is the link to the Miami Herald / Guantanamo Bay page – Rosenberg has done Pulitzer Prize work >>>

      and if i had to wager i bet that Rosenberg has recently seen or heard something that the usa military does NOT want revealed or publicized.

  5. orionATL says:

    aquarius74 @4

    sorry, aquarius74. i didn’t mean to step on your lines.

    it is quite a face, isn’t it.

    i you follow aquarius’ advice, be sure to chose “enlarge photo” for your very own pin-up version of this spokesman for u.s government sponsored torture.

  6. Peregwyn says:

    My impression of the culture of the military is that there is no sexual harassment. They don’t want to hear about it from women (just deal with it, if you didn’t want it you wouldn’t have joined) and any man bringing charges would be the laughing stock of the entire force. This would seem to be even more true of the tough guys in charge of torture.

  7. earlofhuntingdon says:

    The idea that a rough and tumble Navy Cmdr would find such language so offensive as to constitute “sexual harassment” is laughable.

    It’s deeply offensive that he should attempt such reverse psychology, such assymetrical warfare, on the press. He’s hiding something pretty big if he needed to take this public a route. And it seems unlikely that he would taken so public an action without approval from his superiors. This could open one hell of a can of worms.

  8. Mary says:

    Stupid, lazy, Nazis, Sadaam Hussein-like: he alleges that her calling him and his colleagues by those names is sexual harassment? Given the work product from the Executive branch lawyers, it’s certainly no big surprise that he consulted with Pentagon lawyers in drafting his complaint (although I think that’s probably inappropriate – for the Pentagon attys to involve themselves in a personal complaint by him against a member of the media), but really – what is the purpose of saying that she called them Nazis in a sexual harassment complaint?

    And how the hell is she his boss? I’ve got to think that her stories would be even better if she could direct him to cough up the truth.

    When Gordon emerged from a shower facility in shorts and a towel last year, Rosenberg said to him and more than a dozen journalists and soldiers nearby: “Seeing him topless in tent city was the most repulsive sight I’ve ever seen in my life. I wanted to vomit.”

    The really disturbing thing, though, is that the Pentagon allowed this complaint to be filed without classifying the operative information. After all, can you imagine what will happen throughout the battlefield if the Taliban learn the crippling effects of chanting, “Fatty fatty, two by four…” at our troops?

    • Rayne says:

      Good think Gordon doesn’t apparently read progressive blogs…

      So do you thing there was some other reason for this suit being allowed to go forward at this point?

    • acquarius74 says:

      Thanks for the best laugh in a long time, Mary.

      While watching Sept. 11, 2001, co-defendant Mustafa al-Hawsawi seated on a pillow in court last year, Rosenberg told Gordon:…

      According to HistoryCommons timeline, our “intelligence community” does not really know the right name or country of birth for al-Hawsawi, if he is a real person or a combination of 3 unknown others–they really do not even know who they got and tortured. And, since the interrogators plant the answers and names they want in the questions, they can declare they have all kinds of witness proof for any terrorist act committed or imagined, and by whom.

      I haven’t read the book, Armed Madhouse (by Palast?), but those 2 words surely seem to say it all.

  9. fatster says:

    He looks like just one more unhinged sadist. Go Carol! Sic ‘im! Let’s find out why the heck the gubmint helped him with this bogus complaint, plus flush out some of his co-torturers.

  10. AZ Matt says:

    OT – From the LA Times

    What the CIA hid from Congress
    Were members of congressional intelligence committees told everything about the Bush administration’s surveillance programs? Not even close, reveals Jane Harman.

    Those briefings were conducted roughly quarterly at the White House — either in the vice president’s office or the Situation Room. Most of the ones I attended concerned a code-named program now known as the Terrorist Surveillance Program. Respectful of the double oath I signed to protect highly classified material, I did not take notes or speak to anyone about the meetings. However, comments by Michael Hayden, former director of the National Security Agency and the CIA, that the Gang of Eight was “fully” briefed on the TSP prompt me to disclose, for the first time, what they were like.

    In virtually every meeting, Hayden would present PowerPoint “slides,” walking us through the operational details of the TSP. The program has since been described, in part, as one that intercepted communications to and from the U.S. in an effort to uncover terrorist networks and prevent or disrupt attacks. We were told that the program was the centerpiece of our counter-terrorism efforts, legal and yielding impressive results.

    Often present were CIA officials (including then-Director George Tenet) and then-White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales. Missing was any Justice Department presence — a tipoff, in retrospect, to the legal limbo under which the program operated.

    • PJEvans says:

      I think that’s a self-serving editorial, and just wrote to the editors to say so, pointing out that she was ignoring a lot of information that came out long before she says she learned anything. I didn’t forget to mention this place, either.

      “Shouldn’t a legislator at least read the bills they’re voting on, before the vote?”

  11. ThingsComeUndone says:

    While watching Sept. 11, 2001, co-defendant Mustafa al-Hawsawi seated on a pillow in court last year, Rosenberg told Gordon: “Have you ever had a red hot poker shoved up your [butt]? Have you ever had a broomstick shoved up your [butt]? . . . How would you know how it feels if it never happened to you? Admit it, you liked it.”

    Sexual harassment? She is playing mind games with a person we suspect let torture happen. She is doing these mind games to piss him off and make him blurt something out she can use for her next article.
    I don’t think she said this with the intent to get him in bed? I do think she was trying to hurt his feelings. I do think she was rude.

    • Mary says:

      I do think she was rude.

      And imagine if al-Qaeda discovers what they can accomplish by being rude. This should have all been sealed from the get go. Especially the fact that all you have to do to make a soldier like Gordon think of sex is mention Nazis. Sure – the military sent women in hold the dog leashes for naked, beaten detainees – but we all know that’s not sexual harassment, esp not when accompanied by razoring genitals. But have someoen with no authority over him whisper “Nazi” in Gordon’s ear, and there you go.

      @19 I think there very well could be, esp if Pentagon lawyers helped him in drafting (which boggles my mind). Whether it’s one big thing, though, could be up in the air. And it could even be more just juvenile retaliation for what she has already done. I can’t find the link (and I had meant to save it) to the GITMO piece done pretty recently where they “take the tour” and the responses to questions are so revealing – the doctors claiming that forced nasal-gastric feeding was a great social time and that guys who had already eaten a meal would so look forward to the social gathering in the forced feeding room that they would also que up to be force fed, etc. Wasn’t that her piece?

      Then if they are really going to go forward with commissions, the last thing they want is someone like her there.

      IMO, they need to hit back and claim the Pentagon (which is assisting him in his drafting per the article) is trying to intimidate members of the media whose reporting they don’t care for and ask for DOJ to investigate.

      How she is in a position to “harass” him with all her authority is ridiculous – and this from a military that didn’t think Tailhook was any big deal and that isn’t all that interested in the rape and abuse claims of women in the service.

      I do know that when Colby Vokey’s paralegal heard the discussions – soldiers bragging about abusing detainees – and reported them, she was retailiated against and hard. Not only did they deep six her complaints asap, they went after her personally for even filing them. But Gordon gets assistance in drafting?

      What a crock.

  12. ThingsComeUndone says:

    But I do find it suspicious that this claim is being leveled against the best journalist covering our Kangaroo Courts.

    The army has had problems with sexual harassment and has been accused of ignoring these complaints the army’s standard for acceptable conduct in practice not the book should be looked at.
    Given the sexually charged torture photos from abu Graid well the Gitmo commander had to expect this from the Press I mean we all seen ” Schindler’s List” right the Nazi Prison Commander who just shoots people for no reason?
    Given the armies conduct the press does have a right to ask these questions they opened the door.

    • skdadl says:

      That man taught me so much baseball. He was colour commentator for the Blue Jays when I was at my most addicted, and he was smart and fun at the same time, a great teacher. Very nice to see that story, LD.

    • SaltinWound says:

      Thanks for the link. Kubek and Gowdy were a class act calling the game of the week, always something to look forward to.

  13. ThingsComeUndone says:

    I’m thinking this charge won’t stick in court so why do it access to her notes? Maybe but Obama has plenty of details that could be released at any time so why bother with what she knows?
    I’m thinking coordinated smear campaign against as many reporters on the torture story as they can. They don’t want reporters getting promoted for covering this story. They want Judy Miller lapdogs.

  14. GregB says:

    More proof that the white man is the Jew of liberal fascism.

    White men are under attack by the women, the blacks, the Hispanics and teh gays.


    • fatster says:

      “White men are under attack by the women, the blacks, the Hispanics and teh gays”

      That’s cuz for centuries now too many white men have attacked women, the blacks, the Hispanics and teh gays, as well as Asians and American Indians. In other words, most everybody else on the planet.

        • PJEvans says:

          You might could want to try using snark tags.
          Just saying.

          (I figured it out, fortunately before returning flames.)

        • fatster says:

          Oh, dear. GregB, I did not intend to offend, nor even be snarky. Just wanted to extend your sentence a bit to encompass more of the populations that have been mistreated by some (not all!) white guys. Nonetheless, I do apologize. Shake on it?

  15. GregB says:

    This is part of a coordinated assault by the far rightists. They are using Limbaugh’s playbook in order to destroy President Obama by making it appear that he is the ringleader of a coordinated attack by the aforementioned groups intent on destroying the military, police and God, Grandma and apple pie.

    I fear that putchists(we already have uniformed military making the case against a president they view as illigitimate) may be hoping to take a page from the Honduran playbook at some point in the future.


    It should also be noted that this matter can be simply framed as a female reporter abusing an miltary officer in defense of the worst of the worst, a terrorist.

    • Rayne says:

      Wouldn’t the easiest response be, “Man the fuck up, dude!” -??

      Really, a guy in a uniform whining about a girl’s mouthiness, after a lifetime of serving and protecting against real threats?

      Can’t even hope for a Colonel Jessup-type meltdown because there’s no way a Jessup would ever get whiny over a journo’s mean remarks. Cripes, military have the worst trash mouths among them, cannot imagine what a “girl” could say to make this guy pule.

      Makes me really wonder what this is really all about, because unless he’s got info which could yield a criminal charge, he really can’t stop Rosenberg from reporting. She’d just need an assist.

    • LabDancer says:

      “This is part of a coordinated assault by the far rightists”

      Ah yes, the Farighti, near tho lesser cousins to the Ferengi.

      It seems to me
      Poster GregB
      Is unable to see
      Commander G

      And that GregB
      Like Commander G
      Writes cowardly
      Because you see
      He’s a Farightened B.

  16. bmaz says:

    Hi. My name is bmaz. This is a fine looking blog you got here folks. Please do not talk loudly, my head still hurts.

    • PJEvans says:

      Lots of water will help. Also some protein. Or maybe a nice cup of egg tea. (While the tea is brewing, beat an egg with a couple of tablespoons of sugar. Pour the tea onto the beaten egg, stirring. Drink. If you use chai black tea, it’s like eggnog, but with caffeine instead of alcohol.)

        • PJEvans says:

          Ah, ‘hair of the dog’. I’d still recommend the egg tea; your stomach will appreciate the ‘instant breakfast’ qualities. And nothing says you can’t spike it ….

        • fatster says:

          I tried to find you a “cure”, bmaz, via google and youtube. Frankly, they were all almost nauseating to read/see. So, my advice is to drink lots of water and even Gatorade or something similar to it. You’re dehydrated and the climate around you is no help, I’m afeerd.

  17. GregB says:

    By the way, it is interesting that the commander is admitting that the detainees have been abused in a legal filing.


    • ThingsComeUndone says:

      Maybe its not sexual Harassment but the Cognitive Dissonance giving him that sexually harassed feeling.

  18. SmileySam says:

    Having followed Carols entire writings on GITMO I’m sure she has had words with more than one of those in power there. She has insinuated as much a few times. This smells almost exactly like the attacks to discredit Joe Wilson and a few others the DoD has seen as a burr under their saddle.

    • Leen says:

      Hoping Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Olbermann someone in the MSM starts having Former weapons inspector Scott Ritter to talk about the agenda with Iran and how the stage is being set for a 2010 strike.

      The MSM is helping set the stage again. So much focus on their elections and the aftermath. Far more coverage than the protest in the states have ever received. Terri Gross, This American life (did another story on Iran today) and other media outlets are focusing a great deal on Iran.

      Is this away to set the stage for an attack? Great deal of unsubstantiated claims about Iran being repeated and not being challenged

  19. bobschacht says:

    bmaz @ 32,
    serves you right for getting into the liquor cabinet so soon after Her Ladyship left! Have a cuppa coffee now, and you’ll be fine.

    Bob in HI

  20. Hmmm says:

    Does it strike anyone else that this is turning into “Thou Shalt Not Resist The Mighty Majesty Of Uniformed Authority, Especially When Deployed Illegitimately” week? Skip Gates falsely arrested for resisting unlawful policing, Carol Rosenberg falsely (nay preposterously) sued for criticizing unlawful treatment of detainees.

  21. protoslacker says:

    I agree with the comments that nothing is going to come of this except that Rosenberg’s reporting will be silenced.

    It seems to me the Herald Corporation has to take steps. The opportune steps, of course, are all against Rosenberg. But what might a corporation do if they were to be fair to their employee?

    It seems to me that the most substantiative complaint Gordon has is in regard to accusations that he is gay. As he plans on retiring soon, suggestions about his sexual orientation and using his office for sex are explosive. In his complaint Gordon presents questions from Rosenberg regarding Gordon’s special treatment of young men under his charge.

    My question is whether part of the investigation that Gordon demands would reasonably address the issue of whether such questions about Gordon’s apparent favoritism is appropriate or sexual harassment on its own? What I’m asking is Gordon’s sexuality something it’s reasonable for the Herald to investigate in the course of their investigation of Gordon’s complaint about Rosenberg? If so, how would they go about that? Would the tit for tat be a formal request by the Herald to investigate Gordon’s favoritism based on getting sex?

    • Rayne says:

      Oh damn, was I slow to the party on this one…

      He’s pissed because she could get him thrown out of the military under DADT, but he can’t make it about DADT because that would out him.

      He may/may not be gay, but even the battle about proving sexuality could force him into a DADT situation.

      And he’s only a year from retirement, so the loss to him could be big.

      Granted, this could be an effort to shut Rosenberg up — but what about? GTMO or other things more personal?

      • Hmmm says:

        But that doesn’t add up. Under those circumstances, why ever would he go public with this? It seems to work directly against his best interest.

        • Rayne says:

          It could be a two-fer. Perhaps the military had no other reason to go after Rosenberg, and no desire to enforce DADT against Gordon (who would likely have a lot of info on GTMO operations). So they turn a blind eye and let Mr. Pissy-britches go after Rosenberg. Win-win.

          It will have an impact on Rosenberg whether she was “rude” or not; with a lawsuit threatening, editors will likely put her on a leash and tell her she won’t be writing about GTMO. Although it’s still likely she’d be working with another journo whom we would have to hope could pick up the pieces and fill in the blanks with Rosenberg’s help.

          • Hmmm says:

            But what lawsuit? Not clear any law was broken here. I guess we need an expert on SH law. Is Florida law relevant since this was in GITMO? Is Federal law even relevant since this was in GITMO?

            • Rayne says:

              It’s the threat of a lawsuit implied in the letter. I suspect Gordon would simply claim some form of harassment.

              Putting myself in the shoes of the editorial staff, I suspect there’s a protocol which requires an investigation with a temporary removal of the target in question to a different beat. This would probably happen whether there was a lawsuit or only a threat of a lawsuit.

              • Hmmm says:

                But the first thing that happens is, the letter goes to the Herald lawyers, and they come back and say whether Gordon’s got a leg to stand on. No law –> no possible case –> empty threat.

                • Rayne says:

                  But it’s not just a threat of a lawsuit here, that’s the other rub.

                  They have to investigate to see if their reporter crossed a line and was abusive with a source. It’s not just as simple as assessing the potential merits of a lawsuit. If Rosenberg is alleged to have done something which would be grounds for suspension or termination of her employment, they have to do the legwork.

                  Gordon has squelched her for a while, and I’ll bet it’s at least 6 weeks — by which time we will be discussing much bigger issues, I’ll bet.

            • bmaz says:

              Well I am certainly not an expert on sexual harassment law, but I have been involved in a couple of cases with one of my partners and the it is safe to say that the whole idea behind the charge is that it is meant to address employment situations and other master-servant type of situations where there is a disparate level of power and authority between the involved individuals and/or entities. Rosenberg doesn’t work for this asshole or the military, nor vice versa. Gordon is full of shit, and it is embarrassing and astonishing that the Pentagon actually worked with the guy to produce this bogosity. Jeebus.

          • Mary says:

            Mr. Pissy-britches


            I match that with the picture and I have to think that he’d much rather be called whatever Former Fed was thinking than to be, “Mr. Pissy-britches” Or even “Mr. Prissy-britches” *g*

  22. Hmmm says:

    I wonder what legal definition of “sexual harassment” this, erm, effort is intended to target. If any. Because without an underlying law violation there, it’s hard to see what objective other than intimidation Gordon could have in mind. This situation sure doesn’t seem to fall within the EEOC definition. Judging from that page (not the best basis, I realize), it looks like SH in the US is mainly (maybe exclusively?) a feature of employment law, which would seem not to apply in this case. From that POV, it might make more sense for Gordon to sue the USG for failing to protect him from SH, rather than suing Miami Herald for an employee’s behavior.

  23. bobschacht says:

    drational @ 57,
    The worst insult in the Middle East is to claim that your opponent is not worthy to clean the penises of Donkeys. That’s about as low as you can go, in their terms. Maybe it’s the Middle Eastern equivalent of snark.

    Bob in HI

    • drational says:

      23: Fear Up Donkey Penis
      GI is Blindfolded. GI first told that he will be brought into stall with donkey to clean penis. You would however place him in stall with a horse. Although the introduction of hoofed animal into stall with GI may make trepidation in GI, because no actual donkey penis cleaning takes place this not violation of article 16 of CAT, pretty sure.

      This method requires presence of Veterinarian with a tracheotomy kit in the room during interrogation.

    • acquarius74 says:

      Best of Show!!! Let’s apply that to Cheney, Addington, Yoo, Rummy, Odierno, McCrystal…

  24. Neil says:

    Carol Rosenberg to Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon:

    Son, we live in a world that has US torture chambers and that torture has to be reported by woman with pens. Who’s gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for your intern, and you curse the press. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know — that my hard language, while tragic, probably saves lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

    Gordon is clearly pissed and taking it personally. Rosenberg knows how to push his buttons and uses what she has to keep some measure of leverage over the gatekeeper. He seized on “sexual” harrassment as a charge that will garner attention and hopefully punitive effect. He has been unjustly manipulated in what might be reasonably construed as harrassment in the service of journalism in a battle with the gatekeepers.

    Ironically, its the person in a position of superior authority who might abuse it in the service of sexual harrassment. Is Gordon implicitly admitting Rosenberg has successfully turned the tables? It must be galling.

    Take a good look at Carol Rosenberg, journalist.

    • Hmmm says:

      Well, there is that crazy theory the NeoCons had about how use of legal mechanisms by citizens to keep the USG and the military operating within the bounds of law — lawsuits, FOIA, protests, and I guess even lobbying and reporting — can constitute warfare against the US, if it’s effective in thwarting executive will. Of course when you break that down it’s just another way of claiming that the Prez can’t be bound by anything as puny as laws, i.e. criminal, psycho, anti-Constitution, treason.

      • Neil says:

        If she used that in the press, she’d win the one-upmanship rhetoric game portrayed so well by MSM that likes a good “story” whether it resembles the reality or not. Probably better of a third party said it for her.

        It would effect the transformation of honorable military status from Gordon to Rosenberg.

        Already Gordon doesn’t have much macho left having already called for a referee to make Rosenberg stop and punish her for using mean words.

        • phred says:

          Agreed. This whole thing smacks of press intimidation to me. What on earth was Gordon doing working with any lawyers? If he was unhappy with Rosenberg, then he needed to complain to her bosses at the Herald. You only put crap like this in the paper if you are trying smear someone. I suspect this is bogus from start to finish. I trust Rosenberg will get the last word, and it will be a very well written one at that : )

  25. FormerFed says:

    What a disgrace to all of us that wore the uniform of the US Navy. The WaPo article mentions he is retiring. If he is retiring at 20 years as a full commander, that probably means he got passed over for captain.

    I have a term I would like to use to describe him, but will pass because I know I would be roasted by all the gals on the blog.

    So I will just say “What a jerk!!”

  26. Hmmm says:

    If there is no basic for a civil suit, then it all comes down to whether the Herald has her back or not. And I don’t see why they, a newspaper fer gawdsake, should cave to an attack on a reporter with no evident legal backing.

  27. Mary says:

    I probably shouldn’t mention this, but you know, if a donkey’s been gelded, he does have to have his penis cleaned now and then. TMI? I’m guessing a vet must not be super high on the ME social scale.