Extension And Delay In al-Haramain

As covered here and here, a Motion For Summary Judgment is pending in al-Haramain v. Obama, set in front of Judge Vaughn Walker in NDCA. Just to keep you apprised of the status, there has been a stipulation and order entered to extend certain time limits previously set in the matter.

Counsel for the Government Defendants has conferred with counsel for plaintiffs and sought agreement on a short two-week extension of the briefing schedule and a modification of the hearing date due to the press of business and other scheduling conflicts arising after the plaintiffs filed their motion. To facilitate this agreement, counsel for Government Defendants advised plaintiffs’ counsel that the Government does not presently anticipate submitting classified information in support of the Government’s position in response to plaintiffs’ motion or with any cross motion.

The one useful tidbit here is the government’s avowal that they do not intend to submit or rely on any classified information in their pleading. Certainly not shocking, in fact it is predictable. It is however important because neither we nor the plaintiffs want to delay things even further. There is no reason to give the government another month of delay on top of the delay that would be caused by classified filings, which would of course require proceedings to arrange for plaintiffs to review them under secure conditions per Judge Walker’s previous putative protective order.

One further reason why Coppolino likely isn’t going to do any further classified filing is because Judge Walker has indicated that if the plaintiffs review anything classified, they will probably get to review everything classified, both past and present. That would be crucial because it would mean the plaintiffs get to see the February 2009 filings correcting the so-called "inaccuracy," which you can be sure the government does not want them to see. Obama, Holder and Coppolino will probably do just about anything to avoid plaintiffs seeing those "corrections".

Assuming the government, through lead attorney Tony Coppolino, actually keeps his word and relies on information solely within the public domain, however, it increases the likelihood they will merely restate the same tired old defense that they are entitled to dismissal on state secrets grounds. Yes, I know, how shocking they could once again spew the same old junk. They cannot, however, materially contest the facts proffered by the plaintiff in the motion for summary judgment, because under the rules governing handling and disposition of such motions, specifically Rule 56, that would create a disputed fact set that then gets set for trial to resolve, and the government wants no part of that.

The functional nuts and bolts of the Order are as follows:

1. The Government Defendants’ response to plaintiffs’ partial motion for summary judgment (and any cross motion) is due on August 20, 2009.

2. Plaintiffs’ reply in support of their motion (and opposition to any cross motion) is due on September 8, 2009.

3. If the Government Defendants file a cross motion, any reply in support thereof would be due on September 14, 2009.

4. The matter will be heard on Friday, September 25, 2009 at 10:00 a.m.

So that is the new briefing schedule and the hearing/oral argument will be held on September 23rd (not the 25th as was originally asked for by the government) at 10:00 am Pacific time. Also note the mention that the government may "file a cross motion" for summary judgement. The government is undoubtedly saying this is simply to set up the case for dismissal should Judge Walker deny plaintiffs’ summary judgment motion. I figure this means they are trying to finagle a way to set up a better path for immediate appeal.

As they say in show biz, stay tuned.

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45 replies
  1. Rayne says:

    Thanks, bmaz, glad you’re all over this.

    Awfully quiet here, must be many regulars here at NN’09. Marcy is just now beginning to speak on the Bloggers and Blue Collar Workers Unite panel. W00t!

    • BoxTurtle says:

      They wanted too much money for unemployed me to attend.

      Boxturtle (Besides, as a Browns fan something seems wrong about stimulating the PITTSBURGH economy)

      • Rayne says:

        Glad you’re here at EW if you can’t be at NN’09.

        The delayed justice is justice denied, just absurd how long we’ve been following al Haramain. If this was a divorce action, somebody’d be dead by now.

        • skdadl says:

          If this was a divorce action, somebody’d be dead by now.

          Och, Rayne, that made me laugh. Mind if I steal it sometime?

          No disrespect meant to Judge Walker, and please forgive the pedantry, but could someone tell him that “presently” does not mean what he thinks it means? He wants “at present” or “currently”; “presently” means “in a little while” or “soon” or “when I feel like it.”

          • WilliamOckham says:

            “Presently” can mean either “at the present time” or “real soon now”. Never argue with the legal types. Those folks still use “instant” to mean “the one currently under consideration”.

          • bmaz says:

            Prior to this extension, it was a perfectly normal briefing schedule for a motion for summary judgment in Federal court. Even with the extension, it is not particularly out of line.

            • Peterr says:

              This strikes me as a minor housekeeping request. “Hey, something’s come up that conflict with the chosen date. Can we reschedule? How about next week? No? What about the week after that?”

              I read the whole “we’re not going to dump classified stuff in the briefing” as a signal that this is a simple issue of coordinating calendars, not trying to have some extra time to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

              • bmaz says:

                I pretty much agree with that; on the other hand, if their brief is what I think it will be, they could have cut and pasted it together in about four days. At most.

            • skdadl says:

              Humph. Well, I’m not conceding except on professional turf, but I don’t want to derange the thread further. I like that ancient use of “instant,” William.

            • BoxTurtle says:

              Yep. Also, Walker knows he won’t be the final word on the subject. He’s giving the Government almost everything they ask for in terms of review and such to avoid giving them any additional routes of appeal. And he’s being as careful as he can be to avoid being overturned.

              Boxturtle (He knows he’s being gamed for time, but the forms must be obeyed)

  2. BoxTurtle says:

    I figure this means they are trying to finagle a way to set up a better path for immediate appeal

    This case is all about delay. They don’t need a winning appeal, just something they can run all the way to the Supremes taking as much time as possible at each step.

    A two year delay gets them through the next election. A four year delay get’s them through the next presidential election.

    Boxturtle (After that, it’s Hillary’s problem )

    • eCAHNomics says:

      Hillary will be 69 (roughly) in 2016. Her prez aspirations are over. There will only ever be 2 boomer prez in the history of the U.S. That’s quite interesting, considering how large that generation is.

  3. WTFOver says:

    In March 2003, two Central Intelligence Agency ( CIA ) officials surprised Kyle D. Foggo, then the chief of the agency’s main European supply base, with an unusual request. They wanted his help building secret prisons to hold some of the world’s most threatening terrorists.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08…..=1&hp

    Mr. Foggo went on to oversee construction of three detention centers, each built to house about a half-dozen detainees, according to former intelligence officials and others briefed on the matter. One jail was a renovated building on a busy street in Bucharest, Romania, the officials disclosed. Another was a steel-beam structure at a remote site in Morocco that was apparently never used. The third, another remodeling project, was outside another former Eastern bloc city. They were designed to appear identical, so prisoners would be disoriented and not know where they were if they were shuttled back and forth.

    Mr. Foggo relied on CIA finance officers, engineers and contract workers to build the jails. As they neared completion, he turned to a small company linked to Brent R. Wilkes, an old friend and a San Diego military contractor.

    The business provided toilets, plumbing equipment, stereos, video games, bedding, night vision goggles, earplugs and wrap-around sunglasses. Some products were bought at Target and Wal-Mart, among other vendors, and flown overseas. Nothing exotic was required for the infamous waterboards — they were built on the spot from locally available materials.

  4. dotsright says:

    Has anyone come up with anything on this Coppolino who is leading the government case?

    Things like is he a grad of Liberty U. Law School? Is he an appointment of the Bush era?

    Still trying to get my head around how much the Obama justice department is following in Bushes foot steps.

  5. Loo Hoo. says:

    That would be crucial because it would mean the plaintiffs get to see the February 2009 filings correcting the so-called “inaccuracy,” which you can be sure the government does not want them to see. Obama, Holder and Coppolino will probably do just about anything to avoid plaintiffs seeing those “corrections”.

    Any clues as to what the inaccuracy might be?

    Oh, and did you re-stock the tequilla?

      • bobschacht says:

        That was until someone came along and heard Petrocelli say to Freep,

        ‘I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle to keep me alive. That would be no quality of life at all, If that ever happens, just pull the plug.’

        So Freep got up, unplugged the computer, and tossed Petrocelli’s beer in the trash.

        A sobering moment.

        Bob in HI

  6. Hugh says:

    I don’t see any major differences between the Obama-Holder DOJ and the previous Bush-Mukasey-Gonzales one. The government could be making deals, dropping or modifying its arguments, withdrawing or modifying amicus briefs, releasing materials, appointing professionally minded USAs, etc. but I am seeing little or nothing along these lines, aside from the release of a handful of memos. Anyone else see something I’m not?

  7. WTFOver says:

    Scott Horton: Obama’s torture hangover

    The lawyer president still hasn’t reversed Bush’s flouting of the Geneva conventions, despite lofty words and election pledges

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..onventions

    The Geneva Conventions at Sixty

    http://www.harpers.org/archive…..c-90005506

    The Geneva Conventions can be dated back to the start of the movement in 1864, but the current version was signed on August 12, 1949, which means that today the Conventions turn sixty. They are the most widely accepted and followed of all international agreements. The United States played a historically significant role in helping to establish and strengthen these conventions. Yet under George W. Bush, the United States dealt a serious blow to the whole Geneva system by engaging in conduct that demonstrated only contempt for the Geneva rules.

    • skdadl says:

      I did not know about the Malta Declaration before, which Horton links to in his Guardian article. I figured the medical associations must have made such a statement about force-feeding somewhere, and there it is. Good for them, and that is very useful.

  8. freepatriot says:

    the dog dayz of a non-election year SUX

    no elections and no campaigns make Jack a dull boy

    Give me elections, or give me rest

    fuck it

    who’s got the hat pin …

  9. freepatriot says:

    And I’m sure that bmaz is rooting for his home town team in their superbowl rematch tonight

    (duckin & runnin)

      • Petrocelli says:

        Schumi ain’t coming back, his neck injury is too severe to resume F1 Racing. Whether you like him or not, his presence would have added a lot of excitement to the Sport right now.

        We’ll see if he is capable of racing next year.

        • chetnolian says:

          So what’s not exciting about two Brits an Aussie and a keen young German all fighting for position at the top? Ah forgot, there not in a Ferrari.

          • Petrocelli says:

            I’m not diminishing their presence, just that with Massa out, adding a healthy Schumi into the mix would have been great for the Sport.

  10. WTFOver says:

    Conflicts will get ever more “pernicious,” the ICRC’s chief said Wednesday on the 60th anniversary of the Geneva Conventions, as he made a fresh plea for armed groups and states to protect civilians and detainees.

    “On the 60th anniversary of the Geneva Conventions, I make a heartfelt plea to states and non-state armed groups who are also bound by their provisions to show the requisite political will to turn legal provisions into a meaningful reality,” said Jakob Kellenberger, president of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

    “I urge them to show good faith in protecting the victims of armed conflicts – conflicts that in view of the challenges I have mentioned today are likely to become ever-more pernicious in the years to come,” he added.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..0812170051

    • chetnolian says:

      Oh and while we are at it, what is the Obama White House doing meddling in Scottish justice? If my old country wants to show some mercy and release a dying man who might be a mass murderer but then just might not, that it’s business.

  11. chetnolian says:

    Don’t really see how as it would have been too late in the season for him to have been anything but a spoiler in the drivers’ championship, and who, except the constructors, really cares about the constructors’ championship?

  12. eCAHNomics says:

    Heh. Rachel will be on Press the Meat on Sunday with Dick Armey. Hope she’s up to the arm wrestling match.

      • eCAHNomics says:

        Like me, she’s slow. She’s smart but not snappy. It takes her a day or two to prepare her response. It’s always devastating, but too late. I’m hoping she’s better prepared on Sunday.

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