“Believe”

Just two days before his joint session address to Congress, Obama said this in a speech to the AFL-CIO:

And I continue to believe that a public option within the basket of insurance choices would help improve quality and bring down costs.

After the speech finished, Chuck Todd came on and said something like, "progressives have to be disappointed." Todd’s point, I think, was that Obama didn’t really mean it. It was weak tea designed to fire up Obama’s labor audience but ultimately Obama was going to drop the public option.

And it may well have been.

But what Todd doesn’t seem to get is that Obama stands to lose more if he utters those words–if he acknowledges our point, that the public option is key to real reform, to bringing down costs–than having not uttered them.

So while Todd may take Obama’s weak tea mention of the public option as so much weak tea, he seems to be missing that any such a mention is only going to further inflame progressives if and when Obama sacrifices something he "believes" in just a few days.


Here’s the complete speech, as written (note, he said "EFCA" instead of "Employee Free Choice Act" when he delivered it):

Hello Cincinnati. Hello Ohio. I can’t think of a better place to be on Labor Day than at America’s biggest Labor Day picnic-with the workers and families of the Cincinnati AFL-CIO.

First, give a big round of applause to Charlie. Charlie reminds us that in these tough times, America’s working men and women are ready to roll up their sleeves and get back to work.

I want to salute your AFL-CIO local leaders: Executive Secretary-Treasurer Doug Sizemore, President Joe Zimmer and state President Joe Rugola. And your outstanding national leaders: a man who we thank for devoting his life to working Americans-President John Sweeney. And the man who will pick up the mantle of leadership-who we need to succeed because a strong labor movement is part of a strong economy- Secretary-Treasurer Rich Trumka.

Although Ohio’s terrific Governor Ted Strickland couldn’t be here, we have Lieutenant Governor Lee Fisher, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, Attorney General Richard Cordray, Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory, and Hamilton County Commission President David Pepper.

We’re joined by members of Ohio’s congressional delegation: Congressman Steve Driehaus and my great friend-who is at the forefront of every fight for Ohio’s working men and women, including the battle for health insurance reform-Senator Sherrod Brown.

And I’m proud to be here with a leader who is re-energizing the Department of Labor-and a daughter of union members-Secretary Hilda Solis. And my director of recovery for auto communities and workers-Ed Montgomery.

Now, like a lot of Americans, you’re having some fun today. Taking the day off. Spending time with the kids. Enjoying some good music and good food-some famous Cincinnati chili. But today we also pause. To remember. To reflect. To reaffirm.

We remember that the rights and benefits we enjoy today were not simply handed out to America’s working men and women. They had to be won.

They had to be fought for, by men and women of courage and conviction, from the factory floors of the Industrial Revolution to the shopping aisles of today’s superstores. They stood up and spoke out to demand a fair shake; an honest day’s pay for an honest day’s work. Many risked their lives. Some gave their lives. Some made it a cause of their lives-like Senator Ted Kennedy, who we remember today.

So let us never forget: much of what we take for granted-the 40-hour work week, the minimum wage, health insurance, paid leave, pensions, Social Security, Medicare-they all bear the union label. It was the American worker-union men and women-who returned from World War II to make our economy the envy of the world. It was labor that helped build the largest middle class in history. So even if you’re not a union member, every American owes something to America’s labor movement.

As we remember this history, let us reflect on its meaning in our own time. Like so many Americans, you work hard and meet your responsibilities. You play by the rules and pay your bills. But in recent years, the American Dream seemed to slip away, because from Washington to Wall Street, too often a different culture prevailed.

Wealth was valued over work, selfishness over sacrifice, greed over responsibility, the right to organize undermined rather than strengthened.

That’s what we saw. And while it may have worked out well for a few at the top, it sure didn’t work out well for our country. That culture-and the policies that flowed from it-undermined the middle class and helped create the greatest economic crisis of our time.

So today, on this Labor Day, we reaffirm our commitment. To rebuild.

To live up to the legacy of those who came before us. To combine the enduring values that have served us so well for so long-hard work and responsibility-with new ideas for a new century. To ensure that our great middle class remains the backbone of our economy-not just a vanishing ideal we celebrate at picnics once a year as summer turns to fall.

That’s what we’ve been working to do every day since I took office.

Now, some people have already forgotten how bad it was just seven months ago. A financial system on the verge of collapse. About 700,000 workers losing their jobs each month. The worst recession of our lifetimes threatening to become another Great Depression.

That’s why we took bold, swift action-passing an unprecedented Recovery Act, and doing it without the usual Washington earmarks and pork-barrel spending. And, Ohio, it’s working.

We’ve given 95 percent of America’s working families a tax cut-4.5 million families in Ohio, including here in Cincinnati. We’ve cut taxes for small businesses, and made new loans to more than 1,000 small businesses in Ohio so they can grow and hire more workers.

We’ve extended unemployment benefits for 12 million Americans, including Charlie and nearly 570,000 Ohio citizens. Across America, we’ve saved the jobs of tens of thousands of state and local workers-including teachers and first responders here in Ohio. We’re rebuilding America’s infrastructure, including the improvements to I-75 in Hamilton County-led by a local Cincinnati contractor-and more than 200 other highway projects across Ohio.

And we’re making an historic commitment to innovation-much of it still to come in the months and year ahead: doubling our capacity to generate renewable energy; building a new smart grid to carry electricity from coast to coast; laying down broadband lines and high-speed rail lines; and providing the largest boost in basic research in history.

So our Recovery plan is working. The financial system has been saved from collapse. Home sales are up. We’re seeing signs of life in the auto industry. Business investment is starting to stabilize. For the first time in 18 months, we’re seeing growth in manufacturing.

On Friday, we learned that the economy lost another 216,000 jobs in August. And whenever Americans are losing jobs-especially so many-that’s simply unacceptable. But for the second straight month, we lost fewer jobs than the month before and it was the fewest jobs lost in a year. So make no mistake. We’re moving in the right direction.

Ohio, we’re on the road to recovery.

But we’ve still got a long way to go. So we will not rest, we will not let up. Not until workers looking for jobs can find them-good jobs that sustain families and sustain dreams. Not until responsible mortgage-owners can stay in their homes. Not until we have a full economic recovery and all Americans have their shot at the American Dream.

But we can’t do that if we go back to that old economy-overleveraged banks, inflated profits and maxed-out credit cards. An economy of bubbles and bursts, where your wages and incomes stagnate while corporate profits soar. So even as we recover from the recession and work to cut the deficit in half, we have to build a new foundation for prosperity in America.

An America with a reformed financial regulation system that protects consumers and the entire financial system so we never have a crisis like this again.

An America where energy reform creates green jobs that can never be outsourced and that finally frees America from the grip of foreign oil.

An America that commits to education-because the countries that out-educate us today will out-compete us tomorrow and the best jobs will go to the best educated-whether they live in Cincinnati or Shanghai. So we’ve got to do a better job educating our sons and daughters.

An America that once again invests in the middle class, which is why I’ve created our Task Force on Middle Class Working Families, led by Vice President Joe Biden, to make sure that our policies always benefit you-America’s workers.

And today we’re taking another step. I’m naming Ron Bloom to lead our efforts to revitalize the sector that helped build the middle class:

American manufacturing. Ron has worked with steelworkers, service employees and management to create new jobs. He’s helped guide my auto task force. And as my new point person on manufacturing, he’ll help us craft the policies that will create the next generation of manufacturing jobs and ensure American competitiveness in the 21st century.

And, yes, we’re building an America where health insurance reform delivers more stability and security to every American-the many who have insurance today and the millions who don’t.

Now, I’ll have a lot more to say about this Wednesday night, and I don’t want to give it all away. But let me just say this. We’ve been fighting for quality, affordable health care for every American for nearly a century-since Teddy Roosevelt. The Congress and the country have been engaged in a vigorous debate for many months. And debate is good, because we have to get this right. But in every debate there comes a time to decide, a time to act. And Ohio, that time is now.

We’ve never been this close. We’ve never had such broad agreement on what needs to be done. And because we’re so close to real reform, the special interests are doing what they always do-trying to scare the American people and preserve the status quo.

But I’ve got a question for them: What’s your answer? What’s your solution? The truth is, they don’t have one. It’s do nothing. And we know what that future looks like. Insurance companies raking in the profits while discriminating against people because of pre-existing conditions and denying or dropping coverage when you get sick. It means you‘re never negotiating about higher wages, because you’re spending all your time just protecting the benefits you already have.

It means premiums continuing to skyrocket three times faster than your wages. More families pushed into bankruptcy. More businesses cutting more jobs. More Americans losing their health insurance-14,000 every day. And it means more Americans dying every day just because they don’t have insurance.

But that’s not the future I see for America. I see reform where we bring stability and security to folks who have insurance today. Where you never again have to worry about going without coverage-if you lose your job, change your job or get sick. Where there is a cap on your out-of-pocket expenses, so you don’t have to worry that a serious illness will break you and your family. Where you never again have to worry that you or someone you love will be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

I see reform where Americans and small businesses that are shut out of health insurance today will be able to purchase coverage at a price they can afford. Where they’ll be able to shop and compare in a new health insurance exchange-a marketplace where competition and choice will continue to hold down cost and help deliver them a better deal. And I continue to believe that a public option within the basket of insurance choices would help improve quality and bring down costs.

I see reform where we protect our senior citizens by closing the gaps in their Medicare prescription coverage that costs millions of older Americans thousands of dollars every year out of their own pockets; reforms that will preserve Medicare and put it on a sounder financial footing by cutting waste and fraud and the hundreds of billions of dollars in unwarranted public subsidies to an already profitable insurance industry.

I want a health insurance system that works as well for the American people as it does for the insurance industry. They should be free to make a profit. But they also have to be fair. They also have to be accountable.

Security and stability for folks who have health insurance. Help for those who don’t-the coverage they need at a price they can afford.

Finally bringing costs under control. That’s the reform we need.

That’s the reform we’re fighting for. And that’s why it’s time to do what’s right for America’s working families. To put aside the partisanship. To come together as a nation. To pass health insurance reform now-this year.

And few have fought harder or longer for health care and America’s workers than you-our brothers and sisters of organized labor. And just as we know that we must adapt to all the changes and challenges of a global economy, we also know this: in good economic times and bad, labor is not part of the problem. Labor is part of the solution.

That’s why Secretary Solis has made it a priority at the Labor Department to protect workers-your safety, your benefits, your right to organize and bargain collectively. It’s why some of the first executive orders I issued overturned the previous administration’s attempts to stifle organized labor. It’s why I support the Employee Free Choice Act-to level the playing field so it’s easier for employees who want a union to form a union. Because when labor is strong, America is strong. When we all stand together, we all rise together.

And that is why the first piece of legislation I signed into law was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act-guaranteeing equal pay for equal work.

Lilly worked at an Alabama factory. She did her job and did it well.

Then, after nearly two decades, she discovered that for years she was paid less than her male colleagues-for doing the very same work. Over the years, she had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in wages and in pension and Social Security benefits.

Lilly could have just moved on. Instead, this Alabama grandmother made a decision-principle was at stake. She stood up and spoke out for what was right-all the way to the Supreme Court, then Congress, and finally the White House, where I signed the law that bears her name.

That’s the lesson of this day-that some things are always worth fighting for. Equal pay. Fair wages. Dignity in the workplace. Justice on the job. An economy that works for everyone, because in America there are no second-class citizens. An economy where you can make a living and care for your families. Where you leave your kids something better.

Where we live up to our fundamental ideals-those words put on paper some 200 years ago. That we are all created equal; that we all deserve a chance to pursue our happiness and achieve our goals.

That is the calling to which we are summoned this Labor Day. That is the cause of my presidency. And that is the commitment we must fulfill to preserve the American Dream for all of America’s working families.

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    • emptywheel says:

      Well, Trumka’s probably the most outspoken most powerful person demanding a public option. So I would guess that progressives might still be able to force this, if they make a sufficiently scary proposal to people like Bad Max.

      • phred says:

        Do you know what Trumka said today? Any idea of whether he made a stronger public statement than Obama or twisted his arm at all?

          • phred says:

            Thanks cbl2 — I appreciate it. I’m a bit pressed for time today, popping in when I can, so if you find anything please share it… Thanks again!

      • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

        Well, Trumka’s probably the most outspoken most powerful person demanding a public option.

        Last week on Hardball, Trumpka told Tweety that Congress could bloody well fix this mess if they wanted to.

        I replayed it just to savor the miracle of watching someone state the obvious in simple, clear language: if Congress and the Dems wanted to fix problems with health care, they could.

        If Trumpka continues to insist on keepin’ in simple, he’s really gonna piss Rahm off.

  1. PJEvans says:

    He ‘continues to believe’ that PO should be in the basket ….
    But is he going to do anything more than that? Like actually fight for it? Like tell Congress that if it isn’t in the bill, with controls on premiums and on insurance company profits and executive paychecks, he’ll veto it?

      • emptywheel says:

        I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But I do think Rahm has installed a permanent little speaker in Todd’s ear to repeat his tripe. So I do think there’s little good read of what’s out there.

        We’ll see whether the progressive caucus holds.

        • bmaz says:

          Oh, I agree with that; i was simply responding to the question of whether Obama himself is necessarily determined on the PO issue. He does not seem to be; rather he seems devoted to an inner political calculus as opposed to principle.

    • ubetchaiam says:

      Belief is one thing,action is another; look a how many profess ‘belief’ in Christian principles and how few act on them.

    • RFKUS says:

      Yeah that was tried before by Bill Clinton. He said he would veto anything that did not have single payer. The bill never made it out of committee.

  2. Frank33 says:

    If Obama is a scaredy cat afraid of Glen beck criticism, who cares. Get out of the way Axlerod, Gibbs and Rahm the Destroyer. These three stooges have been doing a heckuava a job with their Chicago pay for play. Time after time they insult and ridicule the folks that elected Obama.

    But let democracy proceed in spite of the Goldman Sachs takeover of health care. These banksters have taxpayer subsidized $40,000 health insurance policies. Let Congress have a vote on a national health care system. I no longer expect the Administration to fight for us. Will they fight against us?

  3. Blue Texan says:

    But what Todd doesn’t seem to get is that Obama stands to lose more if he utters those words–if he acknowledges our point, that the public option is key to real reform, to bringing down costs–than having not uttered them.

    It’s a good point, Marcy. And clearly, it’s a departure from the “just a sliver” line.

  4. BruceMcF says:

    I saw the same quote, and had the same reaction to it … its a bargaining chip, when in reality, a mandate exchange WITHOUT a public option is a corporate captive market.

    I only have five simple slogans for my dKos diary, No Captive Markets: No Public Choice = No Mandate, I need some more.

    NO CAPTIVE MARKETS!

    WE ARE NO CORPORATE PLAYING FIELD:
    LEVEL US AT YOUR PERIL

    NO GOVERNMENT MANDATE
    FOR CORPORATE MURDER BY SPREADSHEET

    HEALTH INSURANCE BOARDS ARE THE REAL DEATH PANELS

    NO WELFARE FOR INSURANCE CORPORATIONS

  5. OldFatGuy says:

    At this point, it’s pretty clear to me that even if the bill does include a “public option” that it’s going to be such a lame one that it really wouldn’t be any different than if it didn’t.

    Jusy my opinion. YMMV.

  6. Sharkbabe says:

    Now, I’ll have a lot more to say about this Wednesday night, and I don’t want to give it all away.

    Oh come on. TELL US who shot JR! Tell!

    And I continue to believe that a public option within the basket of insurance choices would help improve quality and bring down costs.

    Translated to nonbullshit-ese, this means “I am abandoning any fight for a public option.” Tell words: believe, basket, help.

    • sinz54 says:

      I’m going to go out on a limb and predict what I think Obama will say on Wednesday night:

      First, he’s going to thank the Congress for working so hard.

      Then, he’s going to thank his supporters for working so hard.

      Then, he’s going to thank Republicans like Snowe for working so hard.

      Then, he’s going to cite some examples of Americans who were screwed over by our current health care system.

      Then, just as our eyes are glazing over, he’s going to exhort us all to put our noses to the grindstone and our shoulder to the wheel, and pass a “bipartisan” health reform bill that will appeal to all Americans (translation: one that won’t have any public options or cost containment measures).

      And finally: Thank you all, and God bless America.

  7. Cujo359 says:

    he seems to be missing that any such a mention is only going to further inflame progressives if and when Obama sacrifices something he “believes” in just a few days.

    He’s just working P.T. Barnum’s favorite demographic again. They’ll believe he tried, because he spoke like he wanted a public option but the mean, bad Congress took it away. There are plenty of stupid people in this country, some of them will believe him.

  8. PriscillaQOB says:

    If Matt Taibi is even close to what the “public option” parts of the existing bills are then you are more right than you realize. All consumer-driven choices have been removed, all employer and insurer mandates have been watered down to the point of meaninglessness, and the whole shebang is one big gift of profit to the insurance industry and a one-way road to bankruptcy for states and consumers who get sick.

    I wanted to vomit after reading the Rolling Stone article, even though I read with a healthy bit of skepticism. Too many other sources confirm that what Taibi says is true. I absolutely will not support in any way this travesty. It will be the end of the democratic party for a long, long time unless something VERY miraculous happens and I haven’t witnessed many Washington DC miracles in my lifetime.

    • sporkovat says:

      It will be the end of the democratic party for a long, long time unless something VERY miraculous happens and I haven’t witnessed many Washington DC miracles in my lifetime.

      well, at least that will be the silver lining of this dismal cloud.

      they will have brought it upon themselves, and they will deserve the scorn and shunning they get from the electorate.

      now, if progressives could only move beyond their unrequited devotion to the (D)’s there could be some 3rd Party infrastructure in place by 2012 to catch some of the fleeing voters.

  9. sinz54 says:

    When any politician says “I personally favor X,” you can be sure he means that he won’t work to pass X.

    In the past, we’ve seen:

    “I’m personally against abortion, BUT….”

    “I’m personally in favor of peace, BUT….”

    and so forth.

  10. Mauimom says:

    Slightly OT;

    Apparently the text of tomorrow’s “speech” to school children has been released. The Denver Post has a copy, but more importantly, has a poll asking if parents would let their kids listen to it. Surprisingly [or not; I can’t tell any more] 37% said they would keep their kids away.

    Despite Obama’s weakness on the public option, I think we ought to go over there and vote for open-mindedness.

    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13286333

  11. allan says:

    How can so many smart people in the WH be so stupid?
    Mandates with a weak or no PO is political suicide,
    or murder, since some of the victims will not be those responsible.

    My only aspiration for 2010 at this point is to primary the most vulnerable Blue Dogs back into the Stone Age.

    • masslib says:

      Not really. they did it in MA and people are just waking up to the problems. The insured hardly notice except their premiums keep rising, but hell, people are used to that. The plan is not even implemented until 2013, and Obama will be long gone before it becomes clear it hasn’t achieved the goal. So, politically speaking, Bill Clinton is right. Get something passed. have the rose garden ceremony. Voters will think oh good something was done on health care, approval rating will rise. That’s politics, even if not great policy.

  12. Jon Walker says:

    My only hope is that Obama has give Snowe and the rest of the Republicans until 3:00 on Wed to endorse a bill or else he will call for reconcilation. It is slim hope.

    • skdadl says:

      I try to bite my tongue through these threads. But that made me sad, precisely because it was powerful. He is a truly great speaker, but … If only he could use that rhetorical power in the service of actual concrete things that really matter — like public healthcare. Instead, when he’s talking about healthcare, he has to tell people they should be glad they’ll be able to shop? That is inspirational?

          • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

            I blame you, skdadl, for all the bricklefritzing around here these days. Just see what you’ve started now?!
            ;-))

            But hey, if we don’t get a public option for health care in the US this fall, we’re gonna need lots more obscenities, so speaking for myself only, but please let your imagination go wild!

          • fatster says:

            Potine! I gotta say, that competes well with deep-fried, breaded spam slices and cheese grits. And collard greens on the side (for the nutrition and all doncha know).

              • skdadl says:

                Hee. But yup — we have to roll a few score of those guys back over the border every fall. Luckily, it’s porous. *wink*

                Well, hey — the medicine may be free, but the funeral homes charge.

                  • skdadl says:

                    Oh, they’ll take your money ahead of time. *grin*

                    The government also sends you $2,500 for each deceased, but don’t spread that around. Somebody’s gonna say that we not only have commie death panels; we pay families to collect bounty on grandma.

            • skdadl says:

              Do you know, I’ve never actually had poutine. I think you have to be farther east than I am, Ottawa at least, and then anywhere in Quebec. I would probably like it too.

              • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

                O.M.G. — in winter in the Yukon, it is to die for!
                Hot, steaming, and filling.
                Evidently it claims Ottawa for its home, but by Jove I’ve had poutine in the Yukon (in beyond-frozen weather) that made me swoon.

                You’re missing a real treat (although personally I ‘take a pass’ on the curds and just relish the fries and the sauce).

                • Quebecois says:

                  Last weekend, in Drummondville, Le Festival de la Poutine was held. The dish is from around there, a few claim the invention of poutine.

                  Never thought it would be discussed in Marcy’s domain…

  13. tinman1967 says:

    Sarah Palin has just issued a press release. She wants to change the color of the drapes in the Lincoln bedroom when she moves into the White House in 2012.

  14. cregan says:

    You are assuming that Obama has a “must not” for disappointing progressives. He night have a ‘rather not,’ but I don’t think he has a must not.

    And, I think everyone here knows that the words of speeches are very carefully thought out and calibrated. If he intended to convey that the public option is a necessary componant, he would have made that clear.

    He didn’t say it for a reason, and the reason is not because he forgot to say to make it clear.

    Combine with Axelrod’s verbage yesterday, and you can count the public option as endangered, but not extinct yet.

    • solerso says:

      what, at this point copuld the WH do? they cant go back on their deal with the cartel, i think that is the whole thing, max and nelson and probably even conrad would go along if enough party force were applied. I belive it really comes down to the WH and party politcal/fund raising organs not wanting to double cross the industry. which seems dumb anyway. what will stop the cartel from backing republicans all over the country after they get everything they want anyway?

      • Cujo359 says:

        The only money they can really count on is what’s flowing into their coffers now. That’s happening at a prodigious rate. What will happen next year is another story, and there are certainly no guarantees.

  15. Arbusto says:

    And, and, 40 acres and a mule for everyone and a chicken in every pot!

    Barak has a very comprehensive list, though those put in effect were half measures mainly favoring the elite and the divine right of CEO’s and stockholders. Main Street America is getting flow down, dribs and drabs. Only when his actions match his rhetoric, and his Three Stooges are working from the same hymnal, will I have hope he isn’t a one termer, a Jimmy Carter.

    When he presents a bill to Congress, as represented in his speech to Congress on Wednesday, will we know whether Barak is an honest broker or an inside The Beltway politician. This will define his Presidency as nothing else will.

    • MarkH says:

      And, and, 40 acres and a mule for everyone and a chicken in every pot!

      How about 40 acres for every chicken and an ass in every cook pot!

      If Dems can’t get this health reform done right it will be a disaster. There will be a handful of chickens who will have done it and they will be due their 40 acres for retirement. The ass in every pot will be where those chickens put the party.

  16. marymccurnin says:

    I cannot believe that we are all still trying to figure out what the f Obama is saying or believes in. He still has not defined his stand on health care.

    The first red flag was way back in Feb. or March. He wanted to shift the VA to a private plan. Remember? What do you think the chances of a P.O. showing up on his real wish list are?

    I would almost rather he tell us what he is really planning to do.

  17. Teddy Partridge says:

    Why wouldn’t Obama say, out loud and proudly, “Employee Free Choice Act!”? Because the crowd he’s speaking to understands EFCA is the same thing, and probably applauded when he said it (I didn’t listen or watch, as a proud member of the left of the left). But by slipping the horrible EFCA acronym into his speech, he denied the rightwingnuts he so fears the opportunity to re-play the line over and over:

    “It’s why I support the Employee Free Choice Act-to level the playing field so it’s easier for employees who want a union to form a union.”

    Replaying that line with “EFCA” just doesn’t have the firing-up power the right wing requires to bash Obama’s labor bona fides, but he still may get credit from Labor for saying it. Not that Obama’s “support” has moved the bill to a vote in either House, mind you.

    Support = believe. And four dollars will get you a latte at a non-union Starbucks.

  18. Shamus says:

    This is something interesting I’ve been noticing myself doing for the past couple of weeks. I know we all like to think that we’re kind of unique in our own way, but the reality is, we really aren’t. So, when I find myself doing certain things, or thinking in a certain way, I have to wonder if there aren’t millions of Americans out there doing the same thing.

    What am I talking about? Lately, when Obama comes on T.V. and is doing an interview or giving one of his pretty speeches, I find myself tuning him out. I either change the channel, or I just turn my ears off and don’t listen. I guess I’ve got myself convinced (or maybe he’s got me convinced) that nothing comes out of this guy’s mouth but bullshit.

    That’s a pretty incredible feat to get people to tune you out and stop listening after only 7 months in office. I never liked George Bush, but I even gave him the benefit of the doubt for much longer than that.

    “Fool me once…shame on…shame on you…Fool me twice ya can’t get fooled again!”
    – GWB

    Way to go, Obama!

    • PJEvans says:

      That’s a lot longer than I did. I knew he was going to be a crappy president when he broke his promise to Texans (in 1998) to complete his second term as governor. And I voted against him in 1994, too.

  19. tinman1967 says:

    “That’s why we took bold, swift action-passing an unprecedented Recovery Act, and doing it without the usual Washington earmarks and pork-barrel spending. And, Ohio, it’s working.”

    What about Harry Reid’s high speed (and high priced) train from LA to Las Vegas? That smells like pork to me.
    Actually the recovery act is a failure…an expensive one.

  20. amilius says:

    Given Chuck Todd’s and the MSM capacity to miss the obvious and the inevitable, it may be that they are preparing to scream in unison on Tuesday, “The president, bucking the wiser minds within his own administration, shocks and scares the nation by insisting on a Public Option!” Oh, the ‘horrors’ of a wise decision that no one could have foreseen! They will probably miss the national sigh of relief from 75% of this nation that support a strong Public Option. After all, who’s been more on target, Howard Dean or Chuck Todd?

  21. MrWhy says:

    That’s the lesson of this day-that some things are always worth fighting for. Equal pay. Fair wages. Dignity in the workplace. Justice on the job. An economy that works for everyone, because in America there are no second-class citizens. An economy where you can make a living and care for your families. Where you leave your kids something better.

    Where we live up to our fundamental ideals-those words put on paper some 200 years ago. That we are all created equal; that we all deserve a chance to pursue our happiness and achieve our goals.

    That is the calling to which we are summoned this Labor Day. That is the cause of my presidency. And that is the commitment we must fulfill to preserve the American Dream for all of America’s working families.

    Notice that health care is not one of the goals he cites as being worth fighting for.

  22. JohnForde says:

    If Obama comes out strong for the PO on Wednesday I am going to drive all over my community honking my horn with joy for a full hour. Care to join me where you live?

    • LabDancer says:

      I’ll be there – or here, anyway.

      Lots of unfamiliar posters here, just chock full o’ pith.

      I liked the speech; call and response seems like the political speechifying version of a rock concert. Hard to believe folks would think someone smart enough to make that speech, and so many others, including last week’s eulogy for Mr Cause of My Life, would be planning to go in front of concert with a plan to prove that he’s really Lucy with that eternally yanked football.

      So for now, I’m sticking with hope.

  23. fatster says:

    O/T. Oh, joy. We’ve been waiting for this one.

    Top Chinese official signals move away from dollar
    BY STEPHEN C. WEBSTER 

Published: September 7, 2009 
Updated 3 hours ago

    “The Chinese are becoming increasingly wary of the growing supply of U.S. dollars, leading the head of the nation’s green energy initiatives to signal a move away from dollar reserves and toward, gold, euros and yen, according to a published report.

    ‘“We hope there will be a change in monetary policy as soon as they have positive growth again,” said Cheng Siwei, former vice-chairman of the Standing Committee, according to The Telegraph.

    “He added: “If they keep printing money to buy bonds it will lead to inflation, and after a year or two the dollar will fall hard. Most of our foreign reserves are in US bonds and this is very difficult to change, so we will diversify incremental reserves into euros, yen, and other currencies.”’

    More.

    • posaune says:

      yeah, and the Obama Admin last week announced announced a new plan to help ‘mericans save for retirement: now you get your IRS refund in US savings bonds! (’cause the chinese don’t want them.) How’s that for screwing the little people — give them worthless, inflated debt!

      • MarkH says:

        Receiving your IRS return as a bond is not forced on people. It’s an option they can choose.

        What is it with Republicans? They can’t read. They can’t think. They believe garbage they hear from professional liars. Clearly the schools need to be improved. Maybe we could just kick out all the Republicans, so the remaining kids could learn without the distractions. /s

    • MarkH says:

      ‘“We hope there will be a change in monetary policy as soon as they have positive growth again,” said Cheng Siwei, former vice-chairman of the Standing Committee, according to The Telegraph.

      What he should realize is that the change in leaders and advisers has already produced a change in thinking. That is reflected in the size and application of the stimulus money, in the focused approach to solving our economic recession problems (including financial industry regulations) and in the approach to our healthcare reforms. The current administration is not loose with money and it isn’t happy about any deficit spending.

      “He added: “If they keep printing money to buy bonds it will lead to inflation, and after a year or two the dollar will fall hard. Most of our foreign reserves are in US bonds and this is very difficult to change, so we will diversify incremental reserves into euros, yen, and other currencies.”’

      Inflation has been a concern with this administration from it’s earliest discussions about the stimulus plan and the entire plan for resurrecting the economy to fixing fundamentals of our economy over many years. That is one reason we’ve depended upon Fed Chairman Bernanke to use techniques for supporting and stimulating the economy which allow him to pull back before inflation could begin to be a problem. This was discussed last fall before Barack Obama even became president.

      Further, beyond the current worldwide recession there is a concern in many parts of the world that the American currency is too pervasive. We have seen that in the oil market countries for example.

      The world economy is undergoing some dramatic and sensational changes and all countries will have to work together to ensure this period of change is achieved without serious damage to any country’s economy.

      • fatster says:

        “The current administration is not loose with money . . . ” MarkH, they are spending beaucoup of our tax monies bailing out failing institutions and enterprises, and they are spending beaucoup of our tax monies killing and maiming people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and other places. It’s our money, and they are trying hard as they can to not spend it on something we need so desperately–quality, appropriate, affordable health care for all. Please.

      • fatster says:

        And here you go:

        United Nations conference calls for new global currency
        BY STEPHEN C. WEBSTER 

Published: September 7, 2009 
Updated -1737 second ago

        “The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development said in a report published Monday that the U.S. dollar should be replaced as the world’s standard reserve currency, giving rise to a new global currency managed by an as-yet undetermined financial regulatory organization.”

        More.

        More here, too.

        PS MarkH, I am deeply concerned about these (and many other) issues, and not at all interested in engaging in a dispute with you. Conversation, absolutely. Thnx.

  24. posaune says:

    I bet they come up with some half assed Medicare buy-in for laid-off 55′ers. And they’ll call it the public option.

  25. SparklestheIguana says:

    Former first lady Laura Bush is defending President Obama’s decision to address the nation’s school children, telling CNN Monday that it is “really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States.”

    (snip)

    Does she think it’s fair to criticize Obama, as some have, by labeling him a socialist? “I’d have no idea whether it’s fair, do you think I thought it was fair when President Bush was criticized — not really. So, I guess not,” she responded.

    Um, doesn’t it matter whether the criticism is accurate or not?

    • PJEvans says:

      She probably doesn’t have a clue about what life is really like, outside the Bush bubble. Asking her to consider whether the criticism is accurate is probably way too much for her mind.

  26. stryder says:

    Juan Cole is on it!!!
    Where have All the broad Shoulders Gone? Or, Labor Day in a Kleptocracy

    As we barbecue on imported grills and watch sports on our foreign-made LCD televisions and lament the bad economy, we should take a moment Monday to celebrate not just the individual worker but what is left of the American labor movement, since only if it is strengthened is our country likely to succeed in stepping back from the abyss. Aristotle warned us that each form of legitimate government is subject to decay. Aristocracies too easily become juntas. And democracies too easily become demogoguery and mob rule. The first eight years of the twenty-first century took us perilously close to both at once.

    I celebrate today the organized workers, the ones who can push back against the crooks in pinstripe:

    Bareheaded,
    Shoveling,
    Wrecking,
    Planning,
    Building, breaking, rebuilding,
    Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with
    white teeth,
    Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young
    man laughs,
    Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has
    never lost a battle,
    Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse.
    and under his ribs the heart of the people,

    http://www.juancole.com/2009/0…..ne-or.html

  27. orionATL says:

    i think it may be that the obama team,

    and remember, obama is just one person in a rather large group of whitehouse input makers and decisions makers (in silly contemporary jargon, obama’s the “brand” on the can),

    has decided that america is a fundamentally right-wing country and they would profit politically from setting their sails to that right wind.

    i don’t agree.

    i think america is, and always has been, at it’s core a liberal country.

    it has appeared, and voted, right-wing these last decades because the language of public discourse has become the angry, paranoid, foolish, selfish, lacking-in-empathy language of the emotionally straightened (aka, tight-assed wealthy) republican right-wing.

    the essential american character is, and has been from the beginning, liberal,

    jefferson was a liberal, incredibly so for his times,

    madison was a liberal,

    monroe was a liberal,

    franklin was a liberal (organized the first health care for poor people!),

    for that matter, washington and hamilton were liberals.

    liberalism, that is,

    -care and concern for others as well as oneself,

    – deep determination to establish and keep a society where one can speak one’s mind to government (it’s called the first amendment) without being disappeared,

    – and regard for science and similar accurate descriptions (e.g., history) of the world we live in (as opposed to ideological valhallas like “no sex until marriage” or fairy tales like the intellectual accomplishments respecting government that occurred during the reign of ronald reagan.)

    is the essence of american democracy.

    it is amazing to me just how far from our natural political center the radical republican right-wing has been able to push this nation in its public discourse.

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