Trash Talk – Angels In The Outfield Edition

Well another week has come and gone and people are still talking about the Most Interesting Man In The World and what he has been doing up in the land of the Norske. Well enough about that, let’s talk football.

National Favre League: This is a horrid week for NFL matchups; none of them are great and most are downright lame. The best to my eyes is Marcy’s newfound love, Mike Singleterry and the Niners hosting HotLnata’s Dirty Birds. This actually has the makings of a very good game. The Niners are solid and need to be taken seriously. Their defense is tough and disciplined, and offense has been sufficient, if somewhat underwhelming, so far this season. Atlanta plays well on both sides of the ball too, and young Matt Ryan is just learning what he has got with Tony Gonzales. Frank Gore is out for Frisco though, so give the edge to the Falcons. The other game that has a little bit of sex appeal is the Pats visiting the comfy confines of Mile High in Denver. Now, you have to take the Pats here, but never underestimate the Broncos at home and Denver’s defense has been fantastic so far. Brady should end the Donko’s fantasy start of the season though.

I will take the Jets to rebound and beat the Fish in Miami and the Cards to play with more passion than they have so far this year and take care of business at home against the Texans. Again, though, never underestimate the ability of the Cardinals to suck. Baltimore puts a crimp in the joy of Ochocinco and the Bengals in Baltimore and Buffalo continues the Brownie’s suck in Buffalo. Pittsburgh has too much for Detroit, but Detroit will continue to improve and will at least make it a game. The indianapolis Peytons contue the woeful start of the Titans. I have no idea what kind of bad mojo has consumed Tennessee this year, but they won’t quit sniffing that glue this week. Jeff Fisher must be beside himself; his team has been sloppy and that is just not characteristic of his teams.

Jags/Squawks and Skins/Panthers are both toss-ups. Look for the Vikings to go back to Adrian Peterson heavy against the woeful Rams and rest the arm on the old guy. Heck, they may only play Favre for a half; that is what I would do. Donovan McNabb returns in time to clean out the rust on the Bucs in Philly. The Giants will obliterate the Raiders in Joisey and the ‘Boys do the same to the Chiefs.

College Ball: The discussion this week starts and ends with the Gators and LSU. But the game is in the bayou, not the Swamp so don’t count the Tigers out. It looks like Tebow will play but, quite frankly, his backup looks like one hell of a pure passer and the Gators would be just fine with him too. I expect a good game, but Florida is too much for the Tigers. Oregon at UCLA and Michigan at Iowa look like excellent conference matchups. I’ll go with the Ducks and Hawks, but should both be great games. If you have other games of interest, chat us up with them in comments.

The Boys of Fall: Due to popular demand, we will channel Chico Esquela and talk baseball. The Cardinals are done; they had a good chance against the Dodgers – until they blew game two. Now, not so much. The Rockies are headed back to Coors Field with a chance to close out the Phillies at home. Pedro Martinez is going for Philly tomorrow, that ought to be real interesting in the thin air of Denver. Pedro has been fantastic since his return, but with his reduced velocity and the effect of the thin air on movement, you have to wonder how he will fare. J.A. Happ on Sunday is a better bet for the Phillies and if they get the series back to Philly for a deciding fifth game, watch out because they will have Cliff Lee going again.

The Twinkies put up a game effort tonight against the Evil Empire, but ran out of gas. That puts Minnesota down 2-0 and even though they are going home, you have to figure they are done. It is a shame, the schedule, what with the play in game on Monday was a killer. The Halos won game one and game two is tied up at one run each in the fifth as I write. Great pitching matchup with Weaver and Josh Beckett for the Sawx. The Halos are going to need the Angels in their outfield to beat Beckett, and he has a low pitch count going so he can go late into the game; but if they do they look good, even going back to Fenway for the next two games.

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  1. emptywheel says:

    Dunno. THe Broncos pits McDaniels against his mentor. Might be interesting.

    And for Stillers, if Daunte gets the start, he might actually do better against the still Polamaless Stillers. There’s always the chance that that team that’s been beating the Stillers all season–otherwise known as the Stillers–shows up.

    As for the Wolvereenies? I think Iowa wins it handily, seeing as how it’s in IA. But don’t worry–we got DE-state next week to get back on the winning ways.

    Go Niners!!!

  2. Phoenix Woman says:

    It was so frustrating. Both games, the Twins got more hits than the Yanks — they just couldn’t get ‘em home. Only the Twins could load up the bases with one out and fail to score. Oh well, at least we made ‘em go through their entire frickin’ pitching staff tonight. All of their arms will have to hurl on two days’ rest.

    • PJEvans says:

      As an old-time Giants fan, I can say that they used to do that a lot. (New and different ways to lose?)

  3. bobschacht says:

    The other game that has a little bit of sex appeal is the Pats visiting the comfy confines of Mile High in Denver. Now, you have to take the Pats here, but never underestimate the Broncos at home and Denver’s defense has been fantastic so far. Brady should end the Donko’s fantasy start of the season though.

    I’d pick this as a game worth watching. Both teams have playoff ambitions, and this game will be a real test for both of them. But what’s the name of Denver’s quarterback? Who? Oh, you can’t remember either?

    Agree with your assessment of the Cardinals– whether AZ or St.L. The baseball Cards were doomed by the 2-base error by the left fielder who couldn’t figure out whether to catch the line drive with glove up or glove down, and consequently booted what should have been a relatively easy out. I was fascinated by the game because Joe Torre coached the Cardinals for a long time, too, so the series is (was?) a game of past and current Cardinal managers (I’ve been a Cardinals fan since the days of Stan Musial). Joe Torre wins that contest most of the time. He’s a winner. This might be the year for the Dodgers.

    Bob in AZ

  4. scribe says:

    Well, I suppose the Giants will play Eli just to keep his consebutive starts streak going. I suspect his injury is more than they’ve let on, but not enough to sideline him entirely. Look for Carr to play a good piece of that game. And to win. The Raiders can only be improved if the league steps in and suspends Al Davis, and lets the football people take over. Right now, they are the worst team in the NFL.

    As to the Stillers, look for some entertainment. During oral argument this past week regarding the Dog-fighting video/First Amendment case, Scalia asked whether the Government could constitutionally criminalize the Human Sacrifice channel. I suggest that he can get his answer by turning that dial to watch the Kitties push someone out there to play the role called “quarterback” this week. EW’s comment that the other Stiller team – the one that can’t get out of its own way – might show up, and she is likely right. The question will therefore devolve to whether the Bad Stillers are still strong enough to beat the Kitties. I think they are.

    As to the Sawx, they are performing their inimitable Lawn-Furniture-in-New-England-in-October imitation. In other words, they are folding up and getting put away for the winter. Look for them to play one game at the Fens, and to go quietly into the dark of a New England winter.

    As to Pedro going to the snow and thin air, as opposed to sitting under the mango tree with that really short good-luck-charm guy (Who, IIRC, has since died), remember (a) he won in Boston, no bastion of warmth, and (b) that the guy who would have been the starter in this game were it not for Pedro being there is the Ageless Jamie Moyer. Moyer relies on junk and movement even more than Pedro. So, in that light, it’s clear Chollie Manuel is getting a bit of an upgrade by running Petey out there. Phils fans everywhere, and those of us who learned the meanings of pain and disappointment from watching the Phils as youths, are hoping for a split in Denver so as to bring it home to sea level. I think the better chance of a win is with Petey, rather than the rookie Happ, starting, so if they lose today it’s pretty much over for the Fightin’s.

    As to Torre and the Cards and some mystical relation or other, that’s just so much sportscaster blather to fill dead air when they don’t know what to say. Kind of like drawing pictures in the sky by connecting the dots between stars – you can find pretty much any connection you want.

    One has to remember that when Torre managed the Cards he was pretty much run out of town in St. Lou and fired, too. Those of you who might not remember anything about the Yankees other than Torre making Steinbrenner cry by winning World Series after World Series need to be reminded that the back page of both NY tabloids bore an interesing display the day the Yankees hired Torre. In the NY Post it was a publicity picture of Joe in his St.L. uni smiling in true press publicity photo style, and in the NYDN a suit and tie publicity photo over the headline “Clueless Joe”. Note the subhead in the NYDN: “Torre has no idea what he’s getting into.”

    That, because at that time Torre was regarded as not only washed up as a manager (he’d been a radio color-guy broadcaster for the Angels for a number of years – that was the best job he could get) but as being a really dubious choice more reflecting Steinbrenner firing Buck Showalter in a fit of pique over losing to the Mariners (a brutal series) in the first playoff appearance by the Yankees in something like 13 or 14 years. Everyone felt the Torre selection was one which presaged a return to the days of hiring and firing managers, a la Billy Martin, and of trading away prospects for dubious rent-a-veterans, and surely not the start of a new Dynastic reign in the Bronx. Moreover, people tend to forget that the Yankees baseball people basically forced Don Zimmer into the situation to protect the team and everyone’s futures against Torre continuing to be the Clueless Joe of the past and against Steinbrenner taking it out on the baseball people by trading away the farm system and firing the baseball people. That Torre turned out to do as well as he and the Yankees did was as much a surprise to the baseball people and the NY media as anyone else, i.e., a huge one.

    All that said, he still doesn’t handle his bullpens well. He’ll ride one guy and, when that guy fails, will flounder around looking for a new guy to ride, losing games in the process. But, I think the Cards are done for this year.

    • bobschacht says:

      As to Torre and the Cards and some mystical relation or other, that’s just so much sportscaster blather to fill dead air when they don’t know what to say.

      …and then you go on with your own blather on the subject, which kinda proves my point. I was not claiming any “mystical relation,” anyway. I just meant that the past history made the encounter more interesting. Torre not only managed the Cards for 5 years, he also played for them as a player. So I think there’s plenty of room for interest in Torre’s history with the Cards.

      Bob in AZ

    • randiego says:

      As to the Sawx, they are performing their inimitable Lawn-Furniture-in-New-England-in-October imitation. In other words, they are folding up and getting put away for the winter. Look for them to play one game at the Fens, and to go quietly into the dark of a New England winter.

      Heh, maybe you are a Yankee fan after all, you sure talk like one! This statement conveniently ignores the fact that the Sox have won two championships this decade while the Yanks have won… how many?

      • freepatriot says:

        the red sux may have won a few, but this year’s model folded better than the 1986 model, that’s fer sure

        (duckin & runnin)

  5. WilliamOckham says:

    Bmaz,

    No post on the Arpaio/Di Genova/Toensing circus? I was hoping for some local color on that one.

    Clearly, this is on-topic for trash talk (which is the only thing the husband/wife team of Di Genova/Toensing are competent for).

    • bmaz says:

      I will probably get into that, but there is a lot to go into to really explain it all. If you have read the blurbs at TPM, you have the recent surface details, but the Stapley Arpaio bit goes a lot deeper. I am also a little shell shocked from the thought of having that pair of vipers coming to my town to consume my tax money.

  6. freepatriot says:

    what, you aint singing Happy Birthday to bret faver ???

    the guys a fookin Libra ???

    no wonder he can’t make up his fuckin mind

    libra’s got NO ABILITY to make choices

    and in other news, if lushbo limpballs wants to buy the Rams, he’s gonna have to get used to the Rams being an exact copy of the repuglitarded party

    slow, stupid, and white

    turns out that some people refuse to play for a known BIGOT

    FUCK YOU, LIMPBALLS

    suck on THAT asshole

  7. freepatriot says:

    bmaz made a fine choice in his musical selection this week, dontchthink ??>

    an JaMarcus Russell ain’t no quarterback, that’s what the heck is up there

    brady quinn ain’t no quarterback either

    32 guys will start at QB on sunday (or thereabouts), but they all ain’t QBs

    some of them ain’t got “it”

    JaMarcus Russell, brady quinn, that kid in Washington; they just don’t have “It”

    Drew Brees has got “It”

    I don’t got “It”, but I can see “It”

    *disclaimer, I live within the San Francisco-Oakland broadcast blackout-monopoly radius, so I get to see every fookin road game Oakland plays (thank goddess they rarely sell out the Coliseum) so I know what I’m talkin bout

    editing screwed this comment all up. it removed the hard returns at the paragraphs

    • freepatriot says:

      attempt 2

      bmaz made a fine choice in his musical selection this week, dontchthink ???

      an JaMarcus Russell ain’t no quarterback, that’s what the heck is up there

      brady quinn ain’t no quarterback either

      32 guys will start at QB on sunday (or thereabouts), but they all ain’t QBs

      some of them ain’t got “it”

      JaMarcus Russell, brady quinn, that kid in Washington; they just don’t have

      “It” Drew Brees has got “It”

      I don’t got “It”, but I can see “It”

      *disclaimer, I live within the San Francisco-Oakland broadcast blackout-monopoly radius, so I get to see every fookin road game Oakland plays (thank goddess they rarely sell out the Coliseum) so I know what I’m talkin bout

      editing screwed this comment all up. it removed the hard returns at the paragraphs

  8. freepatriot says:

    Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum — when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes.

    Assistant Secretary PJ Crowley, a spokesman for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    thas some damn fine trash talkin

    TPM linkage

  9. bmaz says:

    Hey, the Wolvereenies and Hawks are tied up! Oh wait, the game just started.

    Whoa! Big Blue just got a pick 6 thirty seconds into the game. Brent says “The sellout crowd in Iowa City is stunned”? Why does Mussburger think these people are sellouts? How rude….

  10. bmaz says:

    Looks like the Wolvereenies ran out of last second mojo in Iowa. got a late touchdown to get ti to 30-28, and got the ball back, but threw an interception and poof! there goes the game. Iowa however, is 6-0 and looks more than capable of winning the next four games leading up to their match with Ohio State.

    • bobschacht says:

      Looks like the Wolvereenies ran out of last second mojo in Iowa. got a late touchdown to get ti to 30-28, and got the ball back,…

      Late in epu, but…
      Yeah, but what was interesting is HOW they got that last touchdown– with the second string QB running what? An old-fashioned single wing offense? You don’t get to see that kind of offense very often.

      Bob in AZ

  11. Mauimom says:

    Frank Gore is out for Frisco though,

    No, no, NO, you may NOT call it “Frisco.” That is just a curse word.

    Please.

      • freepatriot says:

        ouch

        I love it when people trash frisco

        but I am sure the niners will find another running back

        John Marsh, a California pioneer, once described the chief occupation in San Francisco as getting drunk and running up and down hills

  12. CasualObserver says:

    Speaking of Charlie Pride…

    Though he also loved music, one of Pride’s life-long dreams was to become a professional baseball player. In 1952, he pitched for the Memphis Red Sox of the Negro American League. He pitched well, and, in 1953, he signed a contract with the Boise Yankees, the Class C farm team of the New York Yankees. During that season, an injury caused him to lose the “mustard” on his fastball, and he was sent to the Yankees’ Class D team in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. Later that season, while in the Negro Leagues with the Louisville Clippers, he and another player (Jesse Mitchell), were traded to the Birmingham Black Barons for a team bus. “Jesse and I may have the distinction of being the only players in history to be traded for a used motor vehicle,” Pride mused in his 1994 autobiography.[3]
    He pitched for several other minor league teams, his hopes of making it to the big leagues still alive. Pride appeared to be advancing to a career in baseball, but the U.S. Army derailed this. After serving two years in the military, he tried to return to baseball.[4] Though hindered by an injury to his throwing arm, Pride briefly played for the Missoula Timberjacks of the Pioneer League (a farm club of the Cincinnati Reds) in 1960, and had tryouts with the California Angels (1961) and the New York Mets (1962) organizations, but was not picked up by either team. When it became apparent that he was not destined for greatness on the baseball diamond, Pride pursued a music career.[4]

    On June 5, 2008, Charley, his brother, Mack “The Knife” Pride, and 28 other living former Negro League players were “drafted” by each of the 30 Major League Baseball teams in a recognition of the on-field achievements and historical relevance of 30 mostly forgotten Negro League stars. Charley was picked by the Texas Rangers while his brother was taken by the Colorado Rockies.[5][6]

  13. randiego says:

    Bmaz, I played your video to figure out what the heck it was and MsDiego was singing along to the words… so you have at least fan for linking it in!

    We watched Tech play for the first time this year – they pasted KSU 66-14. Loads of fun!

    Man, that QB for Michigan throws a lot of picks. Still, he had his team in the game at the end, on the road against a very tough Iowa squad – that was an awesome game!

  14. randiego says:

    SD fans will be Pats fans for the day… but Denver is a tough place to win on the road, which is why for years average Broncos teams have made the playoffs.

    I hope Tommy and Billy embarrass them.

  15. Petrocelli says:

    Jeebus, this thread has as much vitriol as the Obama Nobel Prize ones … luckily, we’ve got lotsa Likker to calm things down !

    Wow, is that an Uzi in the Gun Rack next to the Rocket Launcher ?

    Vikes 24-3 over Rams with 7″ left in the 3rd … wonder who their QB is ?

        • wmd1961 says:

          The Raiders can only be improved if the league steps in and suspends Al Davis, and lets the football people take over. Right now, they are the worst team in the NFL.

          Raiders do have a cornerback.

          Here’s my fantasy: Al Davis goes gently into the night, RIP. The Davis family decides they no longer want to own the Raiders and John Madden becomes the new owner. Madden convinces Jon “Chucky” Gruden to coach and this enables personnel changes that bring Oakland a team in 2010-2011 season.

          And a pony!

  16. bmaz says:

    Can somebody tell me why NFL players have taken to wearing what appear to be tourniquets on their arms??? WTF is up with that?

      • bmaz says:

        Yeah, but that is not what I am talking about. These are thin, literally look like tourniquets. And are not pink.

        Looks like the Cowboys were finally able to put away the Chiefs in overtime. Not real impressive; ‘Boys have problems.

        • bmaz says:

          Well, the Dirty Birds are putting a whipping on Marcy’s newfound love Singleterry and the 49ers.

          And Scribe was right; the Sawx have folded like deck chairs on the Titanic. Told you Sawx fans that, as big of a dick as he is, Shilling was the mojo and you won’t win it without him. He just has, and infuses others with in playoff crunches, that killer instinct and determination. You just do not see that on the Sawx without him.

  17. Jim White says:

    Sheesh! Jags are sleeplessing in Seattle. Down 41 zip with most of the fourth quarter still to be played. And that’s the only game on my telebision…

    • bmaz says:

      I am watching the Cards give up their lead on the Texans. The Cards always find a way to suck.

      Oooh, the Cards may have made a goal line stand. Unbelievable.

  18. phred says:

    Angels in the Outfield?!? (Not to mention some nonsense about kissing an angel in the morning) Thanks a lot bmaz. Just back from Fenway via a nice little pub where the Broncos did nothing to improve one’s mood. Sigh. Go Twins. It’s all I got ; )

    • bmaz says:

      What can I say, I am a west coast boy ya know. And lived in Boulder for a bit, so like the Donkos too. Must be kind of bleak there. On the bright side, Old Man River had another good game and win today!

      • phred says:

        Well, it wasn’t what you could call a good day ; )

        As for the Old Waffler he’s just setting ’em up for heartbreak ; ) Go Pack!

        By the way, excellent book club today — still working my way through the thread…

            • LabDancer says:

              I missed the particular play, but the NYT box for the game indicates a play where a Viking offensive squad back named Favre threw the ball and it ended up being caught by a Viking squad back named Favre. This reminds me of the very first time I watched Favre on TV in the NFL, after, so my memory tells me so due caution is advisable, the young fellow had spent good chunks of the spring & summer on something like a comprehensive continental tour, touching down on just about every city with a current NFL franchise or prospects for one or even for getting one back, plus at least a few with an Eskimo League franchise. Again my memory, but I think the impression was that his agent had come up with this as a combination negotiating strategy and extended fairwell tour, except in reverse. Then after all the dust settled he almost-but-didn’t-quite get in the briefest sip of a cup of decaf in Atlanta before being traded to the Pack, and, if I’m not very much mistaken, his very first completion as a Packer was a Favre-to-Favre special.

              Es eso correcto?

              In any event,

              1. given the longevity, the way he piles up records & the way he’s play over the last 225 years, it would be hard to for me to accept any one else holds the record for most narcissistic passes completed, and

              2. I wonder if this might constitute the NFavreL equivalent of a trip to Ponce de Leon’s water fountain?

  19. Petrocelli says:

    Broncos are in first place … among those in the “Ugliest Uniform Contest” … blergh, nevvuh thought anyone would upstage the Stillers’ Honey Bee Costume.

    • LabDancer says:

      Does this explain the color scheme?

      “When the Broncos debuted in 1960, their original uniforms were vilified by the public. It consisted of brown helmets, brown pants (some had a satin sheen, some didn’t), white and mustard yellow jerseys, and vertically striped socks.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Broncos#Logos_and_uniforms

      Evidently that wet, gooey look on the yellow-&-brown ensemble we witnessed today was the missing “sheen”. Apparently the early pioneers who established the Broncos doomed their heroes to 13 seasons in a row with a big “L” on their helmuts right where they later decided to put a “D”, because they lacked the technology to impose “sheen” on f’ball uniforms.

      Now with their having re-defeated the “Boston Patriots” [Go see their site.], there’s a pretty good chance all that evolution is going out the window; fer sure we’re seeing this again.

        • freepatriot says:

          uhm, where zactly do you think I live

          teh raiders won a game

          it was against Kansas City, but that counts

          an lest you think I’m defending Al D, consider this, the raiders are so fucked up that they couldn’t even win a contest to find the worst one win team (buffalo won that one in a head-to-head loss to cleveland, and Detroit never really looked bad to begin with, they jes can’t win)

          PS; here’s a shout out to the Phillies for ending the divisional palyoffs early. maybe I can get some work done now

          Thanks Phillies

          PPS; who else had Cleveland AND Cincy it their picks this week ???

          jes me ??? (snoopy dance)

    • Petrocelli says:

      Both QBs are displaying a great deal of poise and confidence in their abilities. Perfect toss by Henne to Ginn.

      Dolphins lead 24-20.

      • bmaz says:

        Yeah, I think the Fish have something there in Henne; little time, experience and polish and he could be a long term answer.

        • freepatriot says:

          I think the Fish have something there in Henne

          a Plunkett clone maybe ???

          the dude was a fuckin statue in the pocket, but he DID win two superbowls, and changed Joe Theisman’s name to boot …

  20. freepatriot says:

    what exactly did Braylon Edwards do that got him banished from Cleveland

    and does cleveland understand that moving from cleveland to New York doesn’t really count as a punishment in most normal places ???

    we traded you to New York, ya bastid, try an sleep in that town sucker …

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