NFL Conference Championship Trash Talk

Back by popular demand, and in the face of kudzu like anti-sports grumps, it is Emptywheel’s Famous Football Trash Talk! The field is now down to four Green Bay at Seattle, and Indianapolis at New England.

The early game is the one that Phred and I will be glued to the TV for. The Packers return to the hostile confines of Seattle’s Century Link field to face the Seahawks. This is exactly where the first NFL regular season game was played this year. In that meeting, the Squawks owned the Packers. Green Bay’s defense looked unable to cope with Russell Wilson, and Rodgers refused to throw a single pass to Richard Sherman’s side of the field and Seattle waltzed away with an easy 36-16 win.

But a lot has changed in the interim. Seattle has developed their young receivers, but has lost the game changing explosiveness of Percy Harvin. And Green Bay has changed their defense around a bit with Clay Matthews being moved inside much more frequently, especially on obvious passing defense downs. But late in the season, Matthews was playing inside even on run defense because AJ Hawk just wasn’t physical enough to get it done. It seems like a small change, but the difference has been palpable. The Pack’s defense is far better than it was early in the season. Green Bay’s offense seems to be healthy and firing on all cylinders. Except one, and that is a big one, of the Discount Doublecheck variety.

I expect Rodgers will be slightly more mobile, and confident of his ability to move laterally, this week than last week against the Cowboys. He will need to be, because Seattle’s defense is a lot more lethal than Dallas’ was. The key will be whether Eddy Lacy can get untracked early and establish the run to a reasonable extent. Lacy has been healthy and very solid of late, so there is hope. If Cliff Avril, Bruce Irvin and Michael Bennett are allowed to constantly pressure Rodgers, it will be the end of the line for the Cheese. However, if the Green Bay O-line and Lacy can take some pressure off, Rodgers has the downfield accuracy to beat Seattle. That’s a big if. The Squawks are 7.5 point favorites, and I think that is maybe low. Seattle is headed here to the Super Bowl.

In the second game, the Colts go east to tilt with the Patriots. Frankly, I didn’t think Indy could beat the Broncos at Mile High. But they did, and it was not as close as the 24-13 score indicated. Andrew Luck was everywhere, extending plays and throwing darts. And the Colts’ defense was spectacular in their ability to wrap up and tackle relentlessly. There are not a lot of known names on the Indy defense, but they have been pretty impressive in this postseason.

The Pats. What is left to be said about the Patriots at this point? Tom Brady, Darrell Revis and the best coach in football, they have all of that and a Gronk. But if the Patriots want an eighth Super Bowl appearance, which would tie them for the most in NFL history (Pittsburgh and Dallas), they will likely have to do it without center Bryan Stork, who injured a knee last week. The Pats will likely go back to emphasizing their rushing attack against Indy, after gaining a historical low of 14 net yards rushing against Terrell Suggs and the Ravens. And the Pats have lit up the Colts on the ground in the past, so expect Belichick to go back to LeGarrette Blount and Bolden far more heavily Sunday. The Colts are game I am sure, but the Pats are a 6.5 point favorite and I think they will cover that and win easily.

There you have it. This is our last Sunday of football before Super Bowl XLIX, which happens to be right here in Phoenix. Time will tell who gets to Phoenix. Drink and chat it up people. Music by Phoenix’s own Glen Campbell.

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  1. Bay State Librul says:

    From the Patriots Fanboy:
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    The Patriots have declared rookie starting center Bryan Stork for Sunday’s playoff game against the Colts. The Patriots will likely slide right guard Ryan Wendell to the center position and insert guard Josh Kline at the open guard spot.
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    Wendell was been the starting center for the Patriots 2012 and 2013 seasons; he has plenty of experience and the Patriots shouldn’t have an issue at the position. Wendell is actually a better run blocker than Stork, but weaker in pass protection against bigger nose tackles.
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    Kline is the wild card. There’s no question that he hasn’t been the best player on the Patriots offensive line, but he’s still a better option that the early season players like Jordan Devey, Marcus Cannon, and Cameron Fleming. So it won’t be that bad.

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    Pouring rain predicted on Sunday Night

  2. seedeevee says:

    ““When we — the first time we created something called a tuck rule, it’s the only reason we know — I’m just being honest — the only reason we know who Tom Brady is, because of a tuck rule,” Lewis said, via CBS Boston.”

    Raider Nation claims the future.

  3. emptywheel says:

    I think the key to any possible Cheese win is Peppers. It was a superb acquisition in the off-season, and he didn’t get enough credit for making the difference last week. Particularly with the dual threat of Beast and Wilson, his play will make or break any shot the Packers have.

    I have my worries about the Colts in Foxboro, complete with the image of Vinateri doing what he’s as good as doing as Gostkowski: Kicking conference winning field goals as the time expires. Look for Luck to run more then he did last week to bollox the Pats D.

    • bmaz says:

      You have not accounted for the thing that controls everything:
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      The Gronk Factor.
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      As to the Pack and Squawks, Beast and Birds are gonna get theirs; it is up to Green Bay to score with them. In Lambeau, sure. In Seattle, eh I dunno about that.

        • emptywheel says:

          Yes on all counts. He has been the most prolific TE evah at this stage of his career, all while battle more than his share of injuries (though of course a few were self-inflicted, some were inflicted during playoff bounty period). And he retained his production after losing his counterpart to murder charges.

          He’s a goofball, but an unbelievably effective one.

  4. bloopie2 says:

    Your music choice is classic. Written by Jimmy Webb, one of the truly great songwriters of the last half century (the song is 50 years old, can you believe it?) Still not my favorite Glen Campbell, though; that would be Gentle On My Mind, a “happy ending” love story. May we have some happy endings East and West tomorrow !

    • bmaz says:

      Yeah, some would also probably argue Wichita Linemen is Campbell’s greatest (also written by Webb). I’ll accept any of those arguments, but Phoenix is the point right now, so that was the choice.
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      Here is a story that I thought about putting in the main post. Back in the early 90’s, when photo radar was rather a novel thing, the Town of Paradise Valley here was one of the first full adopters in the US. Along with Pasadena Texas. At any rate, I had a very prominent local client get a photo speeding ticket, and he was PISSED. I got marching orders to go fight it, screw the cost. So I did so, including interviewing cops who attended the photo radar set-ups and the execs of the company who built the equipment.
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      Along the way, I made the comment that this was an invasion of privacy and what if their photo tickets got used for divorce leverage etc. You see, those cops reviewed every photo taken, at least at that time they did. They laughed and said “hey, that’s not the half of it, we see even wilder stuff!” And then they whipped out proudly a picture of Alice Cooper and Glen Campbell speeding along a local thoroughfare clearly going to or leaving a golf outing. Both with shit eating grins on their faces. Turns out Glenn and Alice were huge friends and golfing buddies, though that was not at all known way back then. Last time I saw Campbell performing live was at an Alice Cooper Christmas Pudding show, which he does here every year in December. Their friendship was real, and deep. Also kind of cool.

      • bloopie2 says:

        Great story. Reminds me of the Columbo episode in which Dabney Coleman ‘got’ a photo radar ticket by having someone drive fast, holding up in front of her a 2-D picture (no shadow!) of him, to create an alibi. It didn’t work, of course, in the end.

        And to MT’s comment on Gronk, yeah, I think it’s the high achieving goofballs that we love the most – Namath, Sinatra, Cash, etc. – not the Tom Brady types. Something tells us we can be like them – goofballs, if not stars. Ah, perchance to dream.

        • bmaz says:

          Pirate!!! Great to see you here again. Hope all is well.
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          Galveston is great. And yes, Campbell was a guitarist for the Beach Boys off and on, mostly in the mid-60s.

  5. phred says:

    Not only will I be glued to the TV for the game, but we’ll have friends over to watch. This will have the unfortunate effect of curtailing my ability to chit chat on the thread, which is doubly unfortunate since it is a nice way to alleviate nervous tendencies during the game…
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    And speaking of nerves, have I mentioned that I’m nervous? About the game? And I bet rosalind will be cheering for her Flock, so I’m extra nervous, since the Pack tended to win when ros cheered for them and not so much the other games…
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    And then Rodgers isn’t 100% and lets face it our defense doesn’t always defend very well and we’ll be in Seattle where visiting teams go to die….
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    Fret fret fret fret fret fret… I should maybe go make a cheese sandwich and pour myself a nice warm glass of milk and try to calm down… Is it Sunday yet???
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    GO PACKERS!!! ; )

        • rosalind says:

          i explained last week, guess y’all weren’t paying attention.
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          S.A.D. = Seasonal Affective Disorder = Seattle. (see: weather, nine months o’grey).

  6. SomeCallMeTim says:

    Since my Dux lost the CFBC a million years ago, got to go with the next closest team, which broke my heart every year I lived in Seattle.

    Also, love Sherman’s swagger and getting hs classmates straight outta Compton. And he’s got plenty of personality; wish it were goofball, but you go to the playoffs with the dback you have, not the one you wish you had.

  7. bloopie2 says:

    Studies have shown (apologies, links not instantly at hand) that an entity’s birth relationship with its founders can significantly influence entity performance in contested settings in a way contrary to established common expectations, this finding correlating most relatedly to manner of performance in conjunction with results of performance. Specifically, an entity conceived as the result of a single passionless joining of two parent entities may perform in a highly passionate manner but not achieve desired ends while an entity formed in the embroilment of a multitude may well perform in a cool but calculatingly effective mode. Today’s event is informed thereby in applying this finding to the National matchup to discern that the West team which is born originally of the relationship of its nerdy owner with an even more nerdy Bill may yell and scream the loudest in an attempt to overcome inherent deficiencies but cannot survive terminally without said passion while the North team may that is constructed from the choate wishes of its multiple partners may appear most cold but will assume the confabulation of the energies of said creation partners and ultimately victoriously project strength by following its mechanical if not mechanistic tendencies thereby to prevail in the underlying contest.
    So there.
    Can you believe it?

    • phred says:

      I have absolutely no idea what you said, but I enjoyed it all the same ; )
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      HAPPY PLAYOFFS EVERYONE!
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      Our guests will arrive soon, so I will be off-line most of the day, but I wanted to wish everyone and their teams well today. Win or lose, it should be fun! : )

      • bloopie2 says:

        Well, it was supposed to have something to do with today’s NFC North tilt which the loud-ass Seattle team born of Paul Allen (and his collaboration with co-nerd Bill Gates) will contest against the GB team that may seem cold but that was (preferably) born and owned by its multiple nice fans. But you never know, typing that early in the AM, what will spew forth.

        • bmaz says:

          I have that issue 24 hours a day….sometimes what I say just doesn’t make sense. Oh well, whadda ya gonna do? Gots to just keep yammering!

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          Well, I’ll watch the first half hour with my 90+ father, who used to sometimes eat lunch with Paul Allen’s dad ‘back in the day’. (Ken Allen was Director of Libraries at Univ of Wa.) And back in the early 80s’, ‘two kids with t-shirts claiming to be employers’ wanted to talk with students about coming to work for them. Someone grabbed my dad to intervene, and he discovered that one of the ‘kids’ (Bill) was a son of one of the University’s regents (Mary Gates), and the other was Ken Allen’s kid.

          (He ended up advising them to hire Comp Lit majors, because they needed creative thinkers.) My father is known in the family as The Stupidest Man in the World, because despite his extensive education and multiple degrees, he never bought a single share of Microsoft stock. (He grew up in the teeth of the depression and *hated* all things related to the stock market and banking.) We only learned this story by accident in the early 90s; humorously, the only computers he’s ever purchased for himself have been Macs. He paid more for his first Mac in about ’86 than he’d paid for most of his cars ;-)

          So I always watch Seahawks with Daddy-O, but unfortunately, will be in my car for about half the game, as there is a long-planned celebration for friends that requires traveling up I-5, listening to the Seahawks game on the radio. Grrrr! I’ll get to see the last bit of the game at the party, and I hope we Western Washingtonians will have plenty to celebrate.

          FWIW: I wish that I owned 1/1000th of the Seahawks clothing franchise – I swear every other person that I’ve seen this week is wearing some kind of Seahawks-logo stuff. Mostly #3 for Wilson, but also plenty of ‘Richard Shermans’. Playoffs are certainly great for the local economy.

  8. Lois says:

    Team Seattle here (I don’t get S.A.D.). Had a crazy windstorm overnight that is still going. Should make field goals interesting! I’m nervous but not as much as for last year against the 9ers. I think we got this. Go Hawks!!

  9. Peterr says:

    The head usher in church this morning was wearing an Ahman Green #30 vintage jersey. Some of his buddies who root for the Chefs were giving him grief, and he just smiled. “Remind me again — what teams are playing today?” They got really quiet, really quick.
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    Even so, he was nervous about the chances of the Cheeseheads today.

  10. Bitter Angry Drunk says:

    Well, hell. This is disappointing. I’m pissed that the Packers are dominating, but I’m also truly surprised. Seattle’s looked unbeatable for two months (albeit against weak competition), plus Green Bay hasn’t been very good on the road. But in the back of my mind I had a sinking feeling a road team would win today.

    And it won’t be the Colts. An offense that one-dimensional has no chance against Belichick. Andrew Luck will be in the Super Bowl before too much longer, but he’s not getting there tonight.

  11. dakine01 says:

    I wonder if da Cheeseheads have gotten a little perturbed at all the pundits basically giving the game to the Seahawks and if the Seahawks have been listening and thinking they just had to show up to win?

  12. Bitter Angry Drunk says:

    Even though he doesn’t have the stats of Rodgers or Luck, I’d considered Russell Wilson one of the top young QBs in the game. After today may need to rethink that. Wilson has been brutal.

  13. Bitter Angry Drunk says:

    I will almost feel sorry for Packer fans if they lose this one. This is a Viking-level gut punch right here…

    • Lois says:

      Confession…I sobbed through the overtime period background for empty wheel – my dad died in June 2013. It dawned on my when we were crawling back that the Seahawks were my distraction and release when in mourning. Lucky win or not, I’ll take it. Hats off to the Cheese, they played their hearts out. #GoHawks

    • scribe says:

      Watching the TV. Doing the laundry. Washing the dishes. Running out to the store for some last-minute (before the workweek) groceries. Making tomorrow’s lunch.
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      Welcoming the Cheese to The Land of Playoff-Loss Teams. (James Harrison says “hi”, BMAz.)
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      Anything else?

      • bmaz says:

        Yes. I would like to note that Rosalind is paying a heavy price in the not so Lucky game for having critically abandoned her Team Phred+bmaz.

        • Bay State Librul says:

          I’m glad you finally saw the light

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          If the Packers won, would you be so inclined to root for Tommy, Gronk, and the gang?

          Do you have tickets for the game (barter)

  14. scribe says:

    EW, you note the following from “Spouse”:
    “Blount force trauma.” Not bad.
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    Don’t tell “Spouse”, but he got that line from the radio guys calling the game. Heard it in the car while going to the supermarket.
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    In other news, now that Cheatin’ Bill and Biebs have the O-line all charged up with that tackle-eligible TD pass, they’ll tell Revis to go play WR for a down or two. Just to make an incipient blowout interesting.

  15. burnt says:

    Offensive linemen have two touchdowns tonight and that is entertaining to the maximum. Sadly, one of them was scored on the Pack. The Pack had a Vikingsesque meltdown tonight. And sadly, I think the Pack actually would have a chance against the Patriots especially with two weeks of recovery for Mr. Rodgers. Boy, oh, boy, did they blow it.

    • bmaz says:

      Yeah, they really did. In two ways: 1) They left all kinds of points on the field in the first half that they should not have; and 2) They gave up insane stuff in the second half when Seattle started playing. Not getting the insides kick covered is unforgivable.
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      Oh well, what can you do. Hindsight and yadda yadda yadda.

  16. phred says:

    Congrats to ros, Lois, and Team S.A.D., speaking of which…
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    And on a cheerier note, congrats BSL : )
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    I’m already looking forward to next year : ) Thanks Packers for a great, if a smidgeon too short, season!

    • Bay State Librul says:

      I was thinking about you during the Packers slip up.

      It will take a while to get over the frustration.

      Brady still loves you.

      • phred says:

        Sorry for my neglect EW, but you have to admit you’ve spent the season being more of a Kitties fan than a Pats fan ; P Whereas BSL is tried and true to the Pats ; ) That said, it was a slip ; )
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        And thanks BSL, glad Brady will put up with my rebound-affections ; )
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        Nice to see both ROTL (thanks for the condolences : ) and Freep! The playoffs really do bring out ol’ chums : ) In fact, it was a friend I haven’t seen in a year and a half who got in touch about the Packers, then made a trip to watch the game at our house. Hard to be sad, when you have that kind of a silver lining to one’s dark cloud ; )
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        rosalind, I love you to pieces, but I’m going to have to side with BSL & EW in the big showdown out west… I look forward to rejoining Team ros (occasionally ; ) next season…

        • bmaz says:

          There were many things that cost the Packers the game yesterday. Being too timing in the first half, being too timid in the second half. Not attacking Sherman when he was clearly hurt pretty bad, etc. But the two that just lill me are the failure to not secure the onside kick, just unforgivable, and that was not necessarily coaching, and Clinton-Dix not breaking up that 2 point conversion. It was almost like he was so stunned the ball was coming there he just hesitated. He could have, and should have, made that play. That isn’t coaching either. And then there is the abandonment by Rosalind. Oh well, that’s the way it goes. Still painful though.

          • phred says:

            Yeah, not recovering the on-side kick was bad, but it should never have gotten to that point. As you note, not being able to get in the end zone from short yardage in the first half was bad. The play calling in the 4th quarter, especially the last two Packer series before the wheels came off, was terrible. That’s on McCarthy. Clock management during the Packers’ last possession was inexcusably bad (again, McCarthy). And the total collapse of the defense: giving up 3 TDs in a row, along with a 2 point conversion, was the game. IMO, the on-side kick foul up was a drop in the bucket.
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            Kudos to the Squawks on their comeback win. I’m not trying to take anything away from them, especially for not giving up on themselves and hanging in there for the win. But I have rarely seen the Packers so totally fall apart in “all aspects of the game” as the announcers so tediously like to put it, especially with so little time remaining in the game. Ouch.

  17. sluggahjells says:

    Well, I will be having a lot of returning thoughts here for SuperBowl festivities since I, allow with a few others (including Skip Whipped Bayless) picked these two to be in the Super Bowl at the start of the season.

    So I’ll be making my happy return here soon after a long hiatus away because of a lot of things to entertain all.

  18. ReaderOfTeaLeaves says:

    Freep!

    AND an amazing Seahawks win. All in the same day…
    Phred, all best. That was one hell of a game

  19. bmaz says:

    Oh hell no! Packers are the Cheese for me always. But was glad Patsies beat Indy, and I will root for them in SB. I like Russell Wilson, but between the Packers and the Cards, the Seahawks are pretty much the enemy. As to tickets, no don’t have them. I could get them pretty easily, but no way I am paying that kind of dough. I went to a SuperBowl here once (Dallas v. Steelers). Was great to say I went to one, but not really worth it. It is better on TV.

  20. scribe says:

    And now, Ballghazi. We find out Biebs and the Patsies were playing with flaccid, underinflated balls.
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    Which they deny.
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    Cheaters never prosper.

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