Yes, Section 215 Might Be Used to Get Dick Pics — or Porn Searches and Dick Uploads
John Oliver did an interview with Edward Snowden that aired on his show last night. After showing Snowden that most random people stopped in Times Square didn’t know or care what Snowden had done (starting at 22:30), Oliver then showed that they would care if this were all about the government collecting dick pics.
So Snowden goes through and describes (after 28:00) what authorities the government might use to collect dick pics, focusing largely on different aspects of Section 702 and EO 12333. But (at 30:00), Snowden says the NSA (Oliver should have been asking about the government, not NSA) couldn’t use Section 215 to get dick pics, though they could use the phone dragnet to find out if you’ve been calling a penis enlargement center.
Not so fast, Ed!
It is, hypothetically, possible that the government (more likely FBI than NSA) could use Section 215 to get dick pics, provided there were some entity that had a collection of dick pics it was interested in. It would only 1) need to find that entity that had these dick pics as records, 2) come up with some reason why they needed the dick pics for either a counterterrorism or counterintelligence purpose, and 3) convince the rubber stamp FISA Court that these dick pics were “relevant to” a counterterrorism or counterintelligence FBI investigation (which we know FISC interprets unbelievably broadly) but that FBI wasn’t seeking the dick pics solely on the basis of the target’s First Amendment protected, um, speech. Hypothetically possible, at least, if unlikely. A dick pic is a tangible thing.
Furthermore, it is almost certain that the FBI (again, not the NSA, but if the FBI does it, it is more likely targeted at an American) is using Section 215 to get URL searches and data flows — along with fairly comprehensive online profiles — on users. So in addition to Snowden’s explanation of using the phone dragnet to see if you’ve called a penis enlargement center, the FBI may be using Section 215 to track a user’s porn watching habits and even if they’ve been uploading their own dick pics to some server. There likely are dick pics in this collection (though the FISC almost certainly requires minimization if the collection, so may limit the FBI’s ability to retain dick pics unless it can claim it needs them for an investigative purpose). (Though note, a recent Shane Harris story reveals NSA needs its own porn room because its analysts spend so much time analyzing what they collect.)
Again, Section 215 is far more than the phone dragnet, it is designed to support fairly creative collection of “tangible things” so long as there is an attenuated national security purpose to do so, and we know it supports a great deal of collection on users’ Internet use.
And while dick pics might be just a hypothetical case, far easier to imagine would be FBI using Section 215 to obtain DNA — perhaps from hospitals, perhaps from hotels where targets had stayed, obviously from cops (though they could get that through info sharing). DNA is, after all, a tangible thing. And we know that the government has a DNA database of Gitmo detainees, so they have been amassing DNA to positively ID both the targets but also family members of targets.
One more note. Several of the ways the NSA has gotten dick pics — via Yahoo video chats, stealing from Google servers overseas — may have become less accessible to the government overseas as companies move to encrypt more of their traffic. I assume they’ll find some new way to get these. But for the moment, the government may be ingesting fewer dick pics than they were in 2013.
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emptywheel… your mean.
ps… that was pure unadulterated fun. First time I ever thought torture was funny.
Hmmm, I wonder if the IC oversight committees get to see this stuff. And if they too have shrinks.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/04/the-shrinks-who-only-see-cia-officers.html
Ha, I JUST finished watching this vid when I came here and saw this post. So basically, EW, what you’re saying is that not even Edward Snowden fully understands the problem and the stakes here? At least he doesn’t understand the scope of it beyond the NSA?
As for the vid itself, I’ve never seen anything that so depressingly yet so hilariously lays out both Americans’ dangerous lack of awareness and their utterly fucked up priorities.
On a related note, since John Oliver is a citizen now, I think we can officially call him a national treasure.
Right.
He’s talking NSA.
Lots of big holes in general understanding of surveillance bc it doesn’t account for FBI.
quote”Right.
He’s talking NSA.”unquote..
Who’s talking NSA? Snowden or Oliver. Perhaps I’m missing something but sometimes, you leave out clues that only the receiver of your message may understand. Care to share it?
I think she means that Snowden is only discussing what the NSA does under 215; not what other agencies do (can do).
Shouldn’t this post be on your “ExposeFacts” site?
As a naturalized American citizen, I don’t want my penis being minimized by any government agency – Them covertly doing such thing amounts to a mockery of my constitutional rights and my manhood in one fell swoop: It totally defeats the purpose of me taking and proudly sharing my dick picks in the first place. And I shall continue this fight, and keep poking the US government officials in the eye with my dick picks.
Chris Hayes ran a short clip of the interview on his show last night with his comments. Hayes seems to be siding with the critics that say Snowden was careless, I saw it as Oliver doing a – “Wink-wink, you, Ed, were too trusting by giving sensitive stuff to the incompetent hacks working at America’s Daily. Shame on you.” Interested in how you see Hayes’ comment.