Second Presidential Debate — Open Thread

This is an open thread for the second presidential debate between major party candidates. It’s open to topics related to the debate topics and questions; let’s avoid other topics like sports or food, etc., unless they relate directly to the candidates.

Debate location: Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri

Time: 9:00 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. EDT (Missouri, however, is in CDT.)

Debate moderators: Martha Raddatz, ABC News, and Anderson Cooper, CNN

Participants: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump (Gary Johnson and Jill Stein did not qualify per Commission on Presidential Debates which organizes these events.)

The format for this debate is a town hall. I have no idea as I type this what questions will be put to the candidates.

Or I should say I can only imagine a couple questions the moderators may ask based on the release of a certain audiotape on Friday.

ADDER: Looks like Trump has gone nuclear winter on Clinton, having a panel in advance of the debate with Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey.

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21 replies
  1. Rayne says:

    Swear to cosmos this small-handed Cheeto-brain not only lives in the 1990s but he’s unable to differentiate Hillary from Bill. If he’s going to use incendiaries before the debate even starts, I hope he’s got something more serious for the debate itself.

    Because it’s just a matter of time before somebody surfaces with worse content than the recorded convo with Billy Bush.

  2. P J Evans says:

    There apparently are recordings from “The Apprentice” that will be coming out – not that we need those, at this point.
    It appears that Trump is trying for the votes from the sewer-dwelling monsters.
    He’s toast. And so are all the politicians who backed him.

  3. Rayne says:

    PJ Evans — Been talking w/others about those recordings from The Apprentice. It doesn’t reflect well at all on NBC that they haven’t been forthcoming — OR that they apparently have a 1Q2017 series featuring Trump slotted already, which I assume was his fallback if not elected.

    Comcast needs to do some housecleaning and get rid of holdovers from the days when Jack Welch’s GE owned NBC. And they need to accept the fact they won’t have the opportunity to influence the FCC to kill net neutrality through a Trump White House.

    • Phil Perspective says:

      Comcast needs to do some housecleaning and get rid of holdovers from the days when Jack Welch’s GE owned NBC.



      Do you really think they think any different?  Need I remind you that one of Comcast’s biggest cheeses threw in with “Two-timing” Tom Corbett just as Corbett was throwing Joe Paterno under the bus.  Corbett’s favorables tanked as a result(lots of GOPers were Paterno’s base .. and Paterno was a GOPer as well).  That same Comcast big wheel used to be “Easy” Ed Rendell’s Chief of Staff when Eddie was mayor of Philadelphia.

  4. Peterr says:

    I’d love to hear Hillary say at least once “I’m sorry that Donald didn’t answer the question that was asked.”

  5. bmaz says:

    “COUNTERPUNCH” bitchezz, counterpunch.

    It is the meme of the idiot cable news. Therefore it must be ours, because cable news people are EXPERTS!

  6. Rayne says:

    bmaz — That’s another casualty of this election season, though to be frank they were already limping badly. Cable news networks have utterly failed and CNN worst of all given their lack of ethics hiring Corey Lewandowski.

    • bmaz says:

      I have hammered the shit out of CNN hiring of Lewandowski from the get go. And it IS a hallmark, threshold, whatever the term you want to use is. But mostly because of the dynamics of the money flow and history. Content wise, Lewandowski has been tamer than Jeff Lord and the contingent of Fox News Blonde wannabes that have been  spewing for Trump long before Lewandowski landed at CNN. Not to exculpate him, just to put it in perspective.

      And then there is that jackass Boris Epshteyn guy.

      • Rayne says:

        It’s one thing to adhere to an ideology as Fox does rather unapologetically. But CNN contaminated itself with Lewandowski, putting any coverage they did of election season to question. The average cable news viewer doesn’t grok this point, either, sees Lewandowski as another talking head politico instead of a compromising figure. Utter shite.

  7. Bill Michtom says:

    I stopped watching TV news around 1975. It doesn’t sound like it’s anything but worse since.

    I didn’t watch this debate (or the previous one) either. Also doesn’t sound like I missed anything there either, as far as helping me make a decision on the election.

    • martin says:

      I stopped watching TV news around 1975.

      Same time I stopped watching TV… period.

      As far as “making a decision” on the so called election, this is like choosing a lying buffoon scumbag or a lying Wallstreet whore scumbag.  As for the winner.. it doesn’t matter.  This country has already hit the bottom of the depravity cesspool.

  8. martin says:

    Hahahahahaha…..  hohohohohohohoho…  hahahahahaaha…  that wasn’t a debate.  That was a verbal slugfest between two nuclear slimeballs trying to out-slime each other. The only thing missing was a half-time Superstar show worthy of the Superbowl.

    Meanwhile, the EPA has declared the entire city a toxic slime spill site and called in 3 emergency Hazmat teams to begin cleanup, while Law enforcement began evacuating the city.  Next thing you know the EPA will declare the city a Superfund site.

  9. martin says:

    Seriously, this so called “debate” will go down in the annuls of Great Moments in the Decline of Empires, as the definitive hour the USA fell off the cliff of political depravity.  Justice Thomas must be feeling vindicated.

  10. bloopie2 says:

    Bring back Scalia.  Bring back Scalia’s originalism.  Bring back originalism’s technique for settling disputes–the duel!  Make America great again.

  11. greengiant says:

    From this seat,  Trump played to his base.    I did not hear much of Clinton since my mind was drowned in Trump’s hurricane of hate.   I am surprised Clinton has not delivered a bunch of one liners,  “Have you have no sense of decency”,   “You’re no Jack Kennedy” style.

    Who is doing the math on this?   The usual go far right to win the nomination and then go to the center to win the election is not Trump’s play.  Can Trump increase his base turnout more than he can win the undecided?    Or is the strategy to nauseate the undecided so they don’t bother to vote.

  12. lefty665 says:

    The horror is that either of those two will be holding the keys to destroying the world in another three months.

    Raddatz’s propaganda driven, fantasy land statements on Syria/Russia and the equally reality free neocon warmongering of both “candidates” in response were especially bone chilling.

    America’s televised descent into lunacy is terrifying. The whole world is indeed watching.

  13. P J Evans says:

    Jeff Sessions is refusing to say that “grabbing p***y” is sexual assault.

    How the everloving F did he get through law school and serve as a prosecutor? Should all his cases be reviewed?

  14. GKJames says:

    The evidence suggests that Trump is right in one respect: “They’re just words.” The things he says, that his supporters say (Giuliani is a gem in this regard), that Republican members of Congress say, suggest we’re in a post-meaning world. Words fly, unattached to coherence, reality, or meaning. The non-Republican half of the country is, of course, befuddled. But if it is to prevail, if the country as a whole is to sustain the grand experiment in democracy, it’ll need to come up with an antidote to this pathology.

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