Michael Flynn’s “Revolution”

Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn spoke in front of the Young Americans for Freedom a week after the 2016 election. His language is worth noting.

I’d seen this speech shortly after the inauguration and found it disturbing at the time, given its references to insurgency and revolution and borderline incitement. Now that we know more about foreign and domestic influences conspiring to defraud the U.S., Flynn’s speech is even more disquieting.

Following is a transcript of the speech embedded here; you may want to watch the speech in case it gets taken down. I’m skipping the rah-rah fluffy intro speech. It’s not really necessary; it includes highly predictable insults to the previous administration.

(An aside: the way he hangs onto and hugs the introductory speaker is icky. She looks distinctly uncomfortable at one point.)

[Begin 3:41] Well, um, somebody mentioned Dinesh D’Souza, I was with Dinesh D’Souza last night, and uh, and the other, for the young audience here, for the young ones here, and I mentioned it to a couple guys also with Milo Miopolous (sic). So, see a lot people in here won’t know who he is. I tag him on Twitter, you know, because he’s a phenomenal individual, and for, I’m mentioning him tonight, because he spoke alongside me last night to another group of folks and you know he’s definitely, he’s one of the most different, most brave people I have ever met. We have different views on different things, but he is deeply, deeply conservative in his views about this country. [4:36]

And uh, so he is going around this country at the undergraduate in our colleges and universities and he is fighting for you, for all of the people in here. We had two individuals last night, one from Bucknell and one from UC-Irvine who was with us, they were the presidents of the Republic associations of their schools, talking about their, what they were being assaulted for, they were being condemned for, [4:42] you know, and then all of a sudden of course we had the big victory on Tuesday and everybody broke out the red hats and was walking around campus.

But um, so you know what you are doing, what you’re doing is amazing, not only in this foundation, but also what you young people are demonstrating. I’m going to talk bit about that because this, this is about having courage, this is about having courage. When you think, when you think about what Donald Trump, you know, right here, right? (patting name on podium) I mean that, that, unbelievable, and I’m not sure, if this is probably the first time somebody actually used this room, maybe, huh? Maybe it probably is for an event like this. When you think about what DonaldTrump, what president-elect Trump and his family endured over the last eighteen months plus, and you can just count down the number of organizations and people on both sides of the uh, on both sides of sort of the electorate, right, on the establishment side. This was not an election, this was a revolution. [6:17] This was a revolution. And I have, uh, been doing this a bit for him.

One of the things that occurred in this revolution is, and I was just talking with Attorney General Meese about this [6:32], this was a digital election. Because the media, the normal media, ninety-nine percent of the media, was not on Donald Trump’s side, not on president-elect Trump’s side. And you saw the bombardment, the constant barrage and attacks every single day. I was with him one time, and we’re flying somewhere, and uh, you know we’re flipping through the channels on his plane, and like every single, every single channel we went to, it was him, it was a negative, a negative thing about him, but he’s like, “God, you can’t get better press than this,” you know? It was unbelievable. I mean, why not? So he’s like, he says, “Why the hell should I spend a dime on ads?” Right? I mean, and what happened was, he knew. Think about this, he’s essentially a real estate developer, he was a real estate developer, and in real estate, in real estate you find underappreciated real estate, you buy it, you develop it, and you sell it at a higher price, make some money, right? You find underappreciated real estate, and he did that, very well, for his whole life, pretty much, many of the things he was involved in. [8:00]

What he put his finger on, what he put his finger on was tens of millions of people in this country who felt deeply underappreciated by our government, by Washington DC. And he did it in a way that nobody saw, he did it in a way that everybody said, ah, this is a flash in a pan. This guy’s a joke, okay? When you think about it, about what he achieved, this is, and actually I was just, uh, in fact I was just going through social media ’cause social media is the only thing reporting it, and uh, I was just telling the folks at my table that he, uh, so he won the electoral college, obviously. The final count right now was that he got 306 to 232. But they are reporting, but the media’s not reporting this, this is being reported in social media. I’m going to spend a little time talking about social media, because there’s so much power in social media for your generation, for your generation. So it’s being reported now, and it’s flying around in social media, that he also won the popular vote in a big way, [9:16] probably somewhere close to, we’re looking at maybe seventy, maybe, to ninety thousand overall, but it could even be, it could even go higher because the mainstream media does not want to, they did not want to report Michigan. ‘Cause they felt so bad having to report Arizona. Now, you know, I can stand up here and say it doesn’t matter ’cause all he needed was 270, know? But it does matter, it does matter. [9:41]

Because there are millions and millions of people, and I’m going to tell you we have two big problems in this country, two huge problems, one is Hollywood, and one is right down the street here, okay? We have two big problems, and you, you, young Americans, you’re the ones who are going to have to figure out, because we, we must, you have to, you have to fight for this country, you have to fight for this country. You can’t sit back. You have a responsibility. You can’t sit back. You’re part of something special. You’re here, because you’ve made a decision about something in your life, okay? You’ve made a decision about something in your life, and it’s really super important, super important. We cannot lose sight, we cannot lose sight of what our country was built upon, and we should not fear, we should not fear what our country is built upon. Our country was built upon the Judeo-Christian principles and values that make up our Constitution. [10:48] And our country is about individual liberties, it’s not about liberties for the government, it’s about liberties for the individual, individual rights. Just look at our Bill of Rights, it’s all about individual rights. Right to bear arms, peacably assemble, practice whatever religion you want honestly. So it’s individual rights, you have the right to go out here on the steps of Trump Tower and yell bad things about the next president. Or the current president, as long as you don’t, you know, do it in a damaging or a hurtful way physically. We allow that, right? It’s crazy, but we do it. It’s individual rights. That means you have the right to decide what you want to do, you have the right to decide what you want to do. [11:38]

So I will tell you that, uh, in the world of sort of digital media, ’cause I think this is super important to you all, ’cause it’s going to change again, going to change. I’ll give you one example. We were, on a Sunday afternoon just about a month ago, on a Sunday afternoon, we’re in our third stop, and we’re sitting there, and we, we’re going to Colorado the next stop, but we were go into Pueblo, Colorado. We ended up going into a place called Grand Junction, ’cause we had not been out into the western side of Colorado in all the stops. I don’t know how many people are here from Colorado, but, uh, but so we’re saying, okay, let’s, we’ve gotta’ go out and sort of touch the people out in the west, ’cause it’s very sparse in terms of populated area. And so, Sunday afternoon, we’re trying to figure out, well, we made some calls, how many people will show up, what’s the town we want to go into. We into a place called Grand Junction, it has about, like I think the population is about five thousand. So they said, well maybe we’re going to get in there about three o’clock in the afternoon, probably you’ll talk at about four, so maybe people will out of work, will come out of work, maybe there will be a few kids who’ll come out of school. [12:49] So, we said, how do we want to, you know, so let’s make some calls, let’s see what we want to do. So we gotta’ literally about thirty minutes later, yeah, we think we’re going to get about two thousand. So Trump said, let’s make, let’s go, it’s worth it, he hadn’t been out there, we have the time, and we’re traveling, we’re moving. So then we said this, why don’t you tweet out, tweet out, that you’re going to be in Grand Junction, Colorado tomorrow, that you’re going to arrive at three o’clock in the afternoon, okay? And that was about four-thirty the Sunday before the Monday that we showed up. Eleven thousand people showed up. [13:31] Eleven thousand, yeah. I mean, eleven thousand people showed up to a place, I mean, it’s a beautiful little place in the middle of nowhere. I give you that example because we have many of those. We have many of those. And we have an army, ‘kay, as a soldier and as a general, as a retired general, we have an army of digital soldiers. What we are now, what we call, what I call them, ’cause this was an insurgency, folks, this was run like an insurgency. This was irregular warfare at its finest, in politics. [14:11]

And that, that story will continue to be told here, but we have what we call citizen journalists, ‘kay, because the journalists that we have in our media did a disservice, to themselves actually more than they did to this country. They did a disservice to themselves because they displayed an arrogance that is unprecedented. And so the American people decided to take over the idea of information. They took over the idea of information [14:52] and they did it through social media. How many of you know about Periscope? ‘kay? Raise your hands up, it’s okay to raise your hands up, I’m not going to give you a question, I’m not going to give you a test question, yeah, okay, good.

Periscope. I didn’t know about Periscope until a few months ago, didn’t know about it. I watched one individual who’ll be nameless here, but one individual who has 650 thousand followers just on Twitter, which these days doesn’t seem like a lot but it’s a lot, enough. [15:28] This individual is a huge influencer, so he’s, we title him, he’s an influencer, ‘kay? So he puts out, he puts out a tweet to his 650 thousand followers, and says, “I’m going to be on Periscope doing a live media broadcast in fifteen minutes,” one-five, fifteen minutes. 35 million people viewed that. 35 million. Because everybody said, hey, because the guy’s great, he’s great, when he talks he’s out there, I mean, and he is a, he’s an American patriot, he’s an American patriot.

[16:09] So when we talk about patriotism, how do we fight as patriots today? We fight at the voting booth, we fight in our schools. You know in the military, when you’re a young officer or sargeant, corporal, private, you know we expect, we almost demand, we demand those individuals to be demonstrate physical courage, to be fearless. Demonstrate physical courage. Why? We want them to do it in, on the physical exercise field, we want them to do it in the very physical demanding extremes we put them through on training, because we want them to demonstrate physical courage in the face of all odds on the battlefield. The more senior that you get, and I learned this, but actually I, I am, I completely believe the opposite now for our younger generation. And it’s the most, the more, the older you get in the military we sort of begin to change that physical courage to what I call intellectual courage. And intellectual courage actually takes more bravery at times. Takes more bravery at times. Because to be intellectually courageous, and this is for you, this is really for this foundation, this is for the young people in this room, you are, you are demonstrating a level of intellectual courage that our country desperately needs.

[17:48] So for this election, for this particular election, I’m going to be professional, I’m going to be humble, because I think that’s a characteristic of the American, of just the American, of the American patriot. It’s humility in the face of odds, right? A good winner, not a sore loser, but we don’t have to be polite. In fact we have to stop being polite for our principles. We have to stop being polite for our values. We have to stop being polite for what we stand for. We have to stop apologizing for who we are and what we believe. We cannot have that anymore. And that’s you, so I’m looking and I’m trying to pierce through the lights that are in my eyes (sic) and looking at the young people.

[18:44] I’ll tell you two things I learned from my parents. Both of them are deceased now, my father was a World War II and Korea veteran, my mom, a wonderful, wonderful lady, she just died a year ago, a little over a year ago now, one of nine kids from a very small town up in Rhode Island, the state of Rhode Island. And they taught us all two things. The thing that my father taught me, was to treat, the Golden Rule, the Golden Rule is what you, is what existed in our home. Treat others like you want to be treated. That’s the Golden Rule. Treat others like you want to be treated. And you’ll, and if you do that and if you go through life it’s the old adage by the time you’re ten years old you’ve learned to say Yes, ma’am, No, ma’am, Yes, sir, No, sir, thank you, please, all those little things. If you just use those words routinely, you’ll be highly successful in life with a few other, a few other traits that are brought out as you get older. [19:45] But treat others like you’d like to be treated. That’s what he taught us.

[19:50] The thing that my mother taught us was, my mother was an educator. She was a, she was, she got her law degree at the age of 69 years old. I mean uh, phenomenal, that’s after having nine children and moving around and all the kinds of things that you do. Because she was passionate, she was passionate about learning, and the idea, the notion to be a lifelong learner. Never stop learning. Never stop learning. Go to every single thing, look, you know, read, travel, pay close attention to what you’re doing. And I, I joke about this sometimes, and I say because of my own sort of upbringing and my own, uh the fight, and there’s mom in the middle of those nine, fighting for a position, fighting for a position I’m the ultimate [garbled] act of compromise, compromise a guy out of a pair of socks.

[20:52] So what I’m saying to you is that you have to think about what is it you plan on doing in your life, and you’ll find that there’s a path out there that will have many, many exits. And you have to decide do you stay on that course, and what is that course, is that course something that is, that is inherently part of your being. Is it you and your principles, you and your values, what your belief systems are, ’cause they will change. And there will also be other life changes, also be many other life changes.

[21:29] So a couple of things, because I think this is important on veterans, on veterans, on veterans I’m going to talk because this is Veteran’s Day weekend. And I’m not going to go without reminding people that if you watched the news today we had four killed in action in Afghanistan. Today. Fourteen wounded, numbers may go up a little bit in um, Bagram, Afghanistan. You know, and my wife, my wife got a text from a very good friend of mine when I was a brigade commander he was a battalion commander of mine, Mark Costello, and his wife Barbara. My wife texts, or my wife texts me with a message from his wife and says, “Hey, our son is serving in Bagram, is there anything that you guys can find out?” and I mean, you don’t know, so we went back, gave her some guidance on you know they called up the, the rear detachment, all this, because they’re very close, my wife and this gal Barbara are very close. Because it happened and it was big and it was a large gathering, her son is the commanding general’s aide for the unit that’s at Bagram. So there was an event and in this case it was a running race that they I guess we do there fairly routinely.

[22:46] Well, her son was wounded this morning. Thank God he wasn’t killed, but he was wounded, he was wounded pretty severely and he’ll re– he’ll probably recover, but he was wounded pretty severely. So, we must remind ourselves we’re over, we, the United States military, are in over a hundred countries. Right now we are engaged in direct combat in seven. Seven countries. So, on this Veteran’s Day weekend as we reflect about what just happened in this country, what just happened, we just went through a revolution. This is probably the biggest election in our nation’s history since bringing on George Washington when he decided not to be a king. That’s how important this is. You can compare this to Reagan, you can compare this to FDR, you can compare this to Teddy Roosevelt, you can compare this to Abraham Lincoln. But I’m telling you there’s no comparison. And the reason why I say that is the reason why I’m standing here, the reason why I decided to do what I, I’m doing because there is a sense, there is a sense in this country that we were going in a direction that was irreversible. It was irreversible to the point of, you know, it’s cool, and you all know this, all of you that mess around with this different college organizations so bravely. You know it’s cool to be called progressive, right, it’s a cool word. I’m a progressive. Who doesn’t want to be progressive? Right? I mean, it’s a cool thing to be, right? Progressive is socialism. Progressive equals socialism. The riots and the protests that we have out on our streets tonight, last couple of nights, that’s not Donald Trump’s fault. I mean, everybody’s blaming Donald Trump. It’s not Donald Trump’s fault. That’s the corruption in our government. That’s the sickness in our system. [24:50] That’s the lack of jobs and safety and security in our inner cities. Those are the kinds of things that people are protesting about. Now there’s some, you know, some paid anarchists in there, I can tell you that, I can guarantee it, you know in fact I know it for certain, and they’ll be dealt with through our law enforcement system. You know, we’ve had an assault on our law enforcement system. We can’t have an assault on our law enforcement.

[25:27] The most, the biggest strategic advantage that our country has, more than any other country on the planet, is something called the rule of law. I’ve been on six continents and I’ve been in some of the worst places that a human can go to, and seen some unbelievable things. The rule of law can never, can never break down in this country. It must never break down in this country to a point where people begin to wonder is it, you know, what’s going on here? and getting concerned. And when you don’t have leadership, when you don’t have leadership that stands up and says, “Hey, this is wrong! Stop it!” And here’s what we need to do. We have, and we experienced an incredible deficit of leadership. In my, in my first meeting with Donald Trump, because I’ll tell you, my, for me personally, the last time I was involved in politics was when I was in high school. Heh, you know, I mean, you’re, it’s like somebody said, “Hey, do you want to run for student class, you know, president?” because nobody else wants to and the election’s today. You know, okay, and you’ve got to go handle like the Coca Cola machine money or something, you know? Seriously. And I find myself here today, because we, we have a country, I know, I know what this country’s about. I know the threats that we face. I know the threats that we face. You knoW, and there’s people that think, “Aw, there’s nobody out there that wants to see our way of life go away.” Well, there’s plenty of people. There’s entire nation-states that do not appreciate the American way of life. And that’s why we have to fight for it, we have to fight for it. we find ourselves fighting for it more right here at home, sometimes, and especially in the last, in this political cycle, this political madness that we’re going through. But I’ve seen it, I’ve seen it now for probably the last two decades of my life. [27:40] And for me personally, I felt something, and that drove me to challenge, I mean in the intelligence business, it’s always truth to power, [garbled] do you always sort of challenge, the, always sort of bucking the system, because you know, nobody likes, nobody wants to see you, because it’s never good news. Nobody wants to see you, but I’m standing here, I, I get a call and asked to come up to New York to see Donald Trump a while ago, this is like the summer of 2015. And we met, wonderful, just a wonderful individual, just an incredibly wonderful person. Loves this country.

[28:28] And I, sitting down with him, I really only had two questions that I wanted to ask, and then we talked about the world situation and a whole bunch of other things. We spent a couple hours that day. And my first question was “Are you serious?” you know, because I’m a serious guy, and I’m not going to waste my time if you’re not serious. And so he convinced me that he was serious. He said, “Yeah, I’m absolutely serious. I’ve been paying very close attention to what’s going on and I just, I can’t, I, for me,” him, speaking about him, “for me this is my last chance if I think I’m going to help this country.”

‘Cause the second question really had to do with that. Second question was, which I think was the most difficult question to answer, and it was never asked in any of the debates. Chris Wallace kind of touched on it at the very end, but this is the most difficult question. The question is, why do you want to be president? Why do you want to be president? And he convinced me in about five minutes how much he loved this country, how much he saw what was happening to it, and how much he felt like he could actually do something about it.

And that to me, I was sold, I’m like, wow, and sort of from that moment on, my direction in life completely changed. And things like that are going to happen, particularly for the young folks in the room here. I’m going stop here in a second because I know we’re going to take a few questions here tonight, ’cause I was asked to maybe answer some questions from young folks here. But you know this and all the older folks here know that, that your life direction will change and could change on a dime sometimes, you know, it will change. And so what I ask you to do is reflect on what just occurred, study it, think about it, talk about it, debate about it, act, act on it.

[30:36] You know, one of the things Abraham Lincoln always used to say was, “Actions speak louder than words.” You know, and I think the Gettysburg Address, amazing, amazing, and I think it was 85 words in two minutes, wasn’t really even recorded at the time other than what they had on his notebook. It wasn’t until a couple years later when people started to go, “Whoa, look at this thing,” you know, where he says, “Let us not forget,” and he discusses and describes the sacrifice, that, this case, talking about the Battle of Gettysburg, where he talks about Americans who gave the last full measure of devotion on behalf of our country. On behalf of the United States of America at that time. Amazing, amazing resilience, amazing toughness. Not anger, determination, determined to protect what it is that we have.

[31:40] And so, I think, I believe this foundation, what you represent, so for the sponsors that are here I thank you so much for, you know, continuing to kind of strengthen this, this, this, you know, great idea. But for the young people that are here, you know, this is, you have to, you have to fight for what you believe in. You have to be prepared to fight for what you believe in. And you have to serve, you have to serve. You decide how you want to serve our country, whether it’s in uniform or whether it’s in some other capacity. Doesn’t matter. Serve this nation. Serve it bravely, serve it boldly, serve it honestly. If you want credibility, others will give you credibility. If you want credibility, maintain your integrity. Protect your integrity. People will give you credibility, you have to give yourself integrity.

[32:44] So on that note, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much and I’ll answer a few questions.

I came away from this speech with a number of questions:

— Isn’t Milo Yiannopoulos‘ nationality British? Why should Americans care at all about his “deeply conservative” views about the U.S.?
— Was Yiannopoulos’ tour of schools during 2016 a campaign tour providing a donation in kind to the Trump campaign which went unreported to the FEC?
— Who were these young Republicans from Buckness and UC-Irvine who were assaulted? Are there videos of these assaults and are there police reports?
— Why is Ed Meese still referred to as Attorney General and treated with such deference though he hasn’t been in government since the Reagan administration?
— Whose “revolution” was this? Was this a veiled reference to Cambridge Analytica’s work? Why did he call the campaign an insurgency? Was there more going on during the campaign which inspired this language, or is this simply an old soldier’s military hyperbole?
— Why did Flynn say social media was reporting Trump won the popular vote? Who or what fed this to Flynn, or fed it to social media? To what social media in particular was Flynn referring?
— Does Flynn have a history of fundamentalist Christianity that he inserts Judeo-Christianity as a foundation of the Constitution rather than deism?
— Did 11,000 people really show up in Grand Junction, or was this one of Team Trump’s frequent distortions, not unlike Flynn’s distortion of Grand Junction’s population, estimated at 61K. Did the Russian IRA team help boost promotion of this event? Was this an example of a “Flynn fact”?
— Is Flynn really advocating abandoning civil behavior among people who are frequently racist because “we have to stop being polite for our values”?
— How was Flynn so certain there were paid anarchists among the post-election protesters?
— Who coached Flynn on the propagandistic elements of his speech, like the points about protesters’ motivations, so-called assaults on law enforcement, the stress on the rule of law?
— How much of Flynn’s animus is pure racism? The reference to “safety and security in our inner cities” is more than a dog whistle. Was Flynn’s reference to a lack of leadership similarly a distaste for Obama as a non-white commander-in-chief, or just disgruntlement post termination?
— Flynn made several references to fighting in schools; how much of this is a theme shared to encourage actual violence in school systems?
— Was Flynn already engaged with Russian and Turkish contacts before he was terminated by Obama? Was this why he had a “forbidden” internet network connection installed in his Pentagon office, in defiance of military regulations? How/why/when did the Trump campaign know to approach Flynn in 2015?

I also came away with a few observations:

— Flynn has a weak grasp of the Constitution, let alone the First Amendment, demonstrated by his near-proselytization of Judeo-Christian ideology while advocating a freedom of religion.
— The Grand Junction campaign event merits more scrutiny — see Denver Post coverage and compare it to Flynn’s remarks.
— Flynn’s public statements in 2014-2015 were very much at odds with White House foreign policy; he also avoided being direct about Russia when he wasn’t glossing over Russia’s aggression.
— He’s a horrible public speaker. I hope he didn’t talk like this extemporaneously to our troops. I certainly hope this wasn’t a prepared speech. He comes off as disorganized and rambling as a certain resident of the White House.

Depending on whether Flynn had contacts with Russian and Turkish agents before and during the election season — before the post-election transition — I have to wonder if he pleaded guilty because his language and behavior met the definition of seditious conspiracy when it wasn’t captured on public camera. Is this what Team Mueller might hold over Flynn for leverage?

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  1. Wm. Boyce says:

    I got through the first two ‘graphs- why the fuck would anybody take this idiot seriously? That’s also my take on the Orange Man. We are in deep trouble; an increasingly stupid and unlettered society – and it’s going to kill us.

    • Rayne says:

      Imagine my joy trying to transcribe this meandering, incoherent bullshit. I have no idea how this dude made it to Lt. Gen. rank. I hope to hell the rest of our military is more coherent and stable.

      • Trip says:

        Rayne, at some point in his career, Flynn was a rockstar at extracting intelligence from tribal leaders, etc. It wasn’t through torture, but from open tent discussions. There was a turning point where he became radicalized, and considered all followers of Islam the enemy. He wouldn’t make a distinction between people of the faith and those people radicalized, who may share the same faith. And of course, he didn’t see his own radicalization. This made for uncomfortable situations within the US intelligence community where Muslim agents also existed.

        …he writes, the government has to overcome the political taboo of tying Islamic violence to the religion of Islam, including its sacred texts, which he says the enemy is using as a manual of warfare…

        He proposes using a modern psy-ops unit to wage psychological warfare against radical Islam — not just abroad but at home, in the American Muslim community.

        “The war against Radical Islamists must begin at home,” he writes. “Muslims want to apply Sharia law by using our own legal system to strengthen what many believe to be a violent religious law that has no place in the United States,” he writes, adding the government must stop implying Islamic and Western civilizations “are morally equivalent.”…Let us accept what we were founded upon: a Judeo-Christian ideology built on a moral set of rules and laws,” he writes. “Let us not fear, but instead fight those who want to impose Sharia law and their Radical Islamist views.”….using psy-ops and counter-propaganda, not just through federal government channels but also through “our schools, media and social networks.”

        https://nypost.com/2017/02/04/flynns-plan-to-beat-radical-islam-starts-with-schools-and-social-media/

         

        **Strange that the last segment of my comment was eliminated. I didn’t save it.

        • Trip says:

          I can’t recall my exact wording, but there was irony in the fact that Flynn wanted to copy propaganda methods, used by some countries, whereby very young children are taught hatred of western ways in schools. He didn’t recognize the parallels of his own radicalization and sense of religious superiority. He also completely ignored, willfully, the violence of radicalized extremist Christian groups within the US.

          *Also, I don’t know how you had the patience to transcribe this tripe. Power to you.

        • Rayne says:

          Re: “rockstar” — Who made this assessment and by what criteria? Based on the outcomes of our efforts across Iraq and Afghanistan, color me skeptical of his abilities, especially when he struggles with conveying meaning to others in his own language. Perhaps there’s an actual disconnect and it’s a factor in why he was relieved and exited.

          Re: radicalization — Based on his apparent repeated references to Judeo-Christian faith, I suspect he was radicalized a very long time ago, probably as a child. This may be yet another factor in his exit from the military; how effective is a bigot’s work when they must work with non-Judeo-Christians within their ranks and in allied countries which practice different faiths?

          • bmaz says:

            Well, he “did” have a reputation at one point, but I’d argue he got it on the back of Bill McRaven.

          • Trip says:

            Rockstar; this was a moniker applied to him from within the intelligence community. He was highly regarded and gave speeches, until he began to “lose the plot”. There are articles, which I don’t have handy links to,  at the moment, but also first person accounts of Flynn’s shift, along the way, in forums.  The people who spoke in forums had almost identical recollections as the articles which I later read.

            I’m sure he was indoctrinated early by whatever belief he now espouses. Most people are by virtue of their parent’s decision in re to religion. However, some other element had influence, beyond his own history, in addition to his own indignation and bitterness from being shit-canned. I can’t know the authenticity of his convictions and subsequent radicalization. I do know that the Kremlin, for example, uses religion as a tool, to control and conform behavior of the masses, out of some “loftier” purpose. When, in reality, it is cover, and fronting in ideology, in order to maintain the lifestyle of the thieving elite, but imposing an overall standard of accepting ‘authority’ and “morals”.

            Remember the Cambridge Analytica whistleblower, Wylie? Well, one of the things he has said, which has been largely ignored, is the principle that, first, you have to break culture. That’s partially what this is about. It is strange that Flynn would come to these radicalized ideas in a vacuum, when the Kochs, Devoses, Mercers and Russian oligarchs have been meeting and cooperating on such a scenario for some time now. I suppose it’s possible, but unlikely.

            • Trip says:

              Perception of the people looking in? Have you ever seen the Peter Seller’s film, “Being there”? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/

              It might be a similar situation, where people put their own fantasy version of  someone upon that person. Although Chance, the character in “being There”, was full of innocence and benevolence, where I wouldn’t say the same for Flynn. Flynn had ambition and a need for recognition. Chance couldn’t care less.

      • Palli says:

        Like the Annotated Alice in Wonderland, someday someone will annotate trump & cadre speeches, building on what you & Marcy have done here. But this is not gifted imagination at work this is walking insanity.

        Thank you for the effort,,,I hope you did something good for yourself after finishing.

  2. Jan says:

    Wow, eye opening. MIght I suggest posting Carter Page’s speeches in the Russian Federation? Eye opening as well.

    • Rayne says:

      I had to go through Page’s HPSCI testimony. That was bad enough. I never found a scanned, digitized version of his testimony so I could count how many times Page said, “dodgy dossier.” I don’t think I have the stomach to transcribe his speeches. Gives me the heebie-jeebies just thinking about it.

  3. Jan says:

    My take? Flynn is turned, as is Carter Page, and why not? Disgruntled, alienated in their own ‘world’, chip on the shoulder – they’re a ‘typical profile’, and they’re ripe for the picking.

  4. it's complicated says:

    Wuargh. This rambling was really painful to ingest. I never heard/read that guy speak before.
    And yes, I was surprised at how much the “style” smells like Agent Orange.

  5. GKJames says:

    Amazing. It’s all there: unhinged and inchoate resentment, simple-mindedness, willful ignorance, twisted understanding of cause-and-effect, and bromides about Mom and family … the thought processes that 63 million bought into. Flynn’s an archetype for half the electorate; he highlights the serious quality-of-human-capital issue our politics should address but won’t go anywhere near. Democrats better figure out—sooner is preferable—how to deal with this dynamic because the only way to beat it is to outnumber it where it counts. Otherwise, the plutocracy, sustained as it is by the childlike thinking of the country’s Flynns, will become permanent.

    P.S. The “rule of law” and “Hey, this is wrong! Stop it!”: Flynn a comedian; who knew?

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      I don’t think I’d give it a passing grade from an Academy grad with three master’s degrees.  Doesn’t say much for whomever granted him those.

    • Rayne says:

      This:

      Democrats better figure out—sooner is preferable—how to deal with this dynamic because the only way to beat it is to outnumber it where it counts.

      No.  Democrats need to articulate clearly their own message because they are already a majority of the voting public. They need to stop chasing authoritarian personalities because those voters have been conditioned by decades of right-wing messages to reflexively reject Democrats. And Democrats need to stop drifting to the right, chasing the right-wing Overton window — this decades-long drift helped set up this current mess.

      • TheraP says:

        Agreed!

        We have to stand proudly, and unapologetically, for a more Just and Equal society, for what needs to change for the better, whether it means changing the Constitution or even ourselves.

        We have a right to choose the field of battle. We don’t have to play on the battlefield of the right. But to confront it from our own Rightous Ground!

      • GKJames says:

        Sure; articulating their own message is part of figuring it out. But “already a majority of the voting public”? Republicans control Congress. They control all levers of government in 26 states, dominate another 6, and hold 34 governorships. Democrats have shifted right since 1980 because right is where aging voters have drifted. An unapologetic progressive message, right as it is, might correct the drift somewhat, but it’s unlikely to sway voters whose values (vs. interests) are antithetical to it. Assuming there’s even a consensus among Democrats on what “progressive” means.

        • Rayne says:

          Don’t confuse holding a majority of Congress with the actual electorate opinion. The extent of gerrymandering and voter suppression disconnects the will of the people from the representatives emerging from a corrupted system. Democrats have drifted to the right because co-opted media has out-messaged them, beginning in the 1980s with God-guns-gays content aimed at right-leaning union voters as uber-Boomers became slaves to mortgages, familial demands, and jobs. Demographics and mortality rates will work against the right-wing; as average life expectancy continues to fall and dissatisfied youth come of voting age, expect the status quo to be upended. Look carefully at the messages protesting youth are carrying in the streets and online — they are already coalescing behind an ‘unapologetic progressive message’ while taking their parents with them. I can already see 2028 voters. They are active, they are activists. This will change everything.

  6. Trip says:

    Because the media, the normal media, ninety-nine percent of the media, was not on Donald Trump’s side, not on president-elect Trump’s side. And you saw the bombardment, the constant barrage and attacks every single day. I was with him one time, and we’re flying somewhere, and uh, you know we’re flipping through the channels on his plane, and like every single, every single channel we went to, it was him, it was a negative, a negative thing about him, but he’s like, “God, you can’t get better press than this,” you know? It was unbelievable.

    Attention-whoring is brilliance. Why didn’t he promote Kim Kardashian? And bringing up Lincoln’s name in proximity to Trump is like comparing Albert Einstein to Johnny Knoxville.

    He’s right though, the press does eat this shit up, and they continue to.

    Bitter, buggers, greedy, batshit. What is missing is the behind the scenes influence of Devos, Prince, Bannon, and by extension, the Kochs, the Mercers, etc.

  7. Palli says:

    Education. How to educate thinkers? Real Education hasn’t been able to compete with our abusive capitalism’s most insidious attribute “advertising”, the basis of which is lying. Merit is unnecessary to lies. American Culture succumbed to the ease of lying.
    Sorry for the philosophy, it doesn’t help one whit.

    • Trip says:

      Spot on. Indoctrination early and often here, too. 24/7 ads, commercials, pop-ups, billboards, subways, school ads, and on and on.

      And the answer to the failure of capitalism is MORE capitalism. The answer to the failure and adverse reaction to ads, is more devious methodology of subliminal and manipulative targeting. And so it goes.

    • cat herder says:

      I remember the moment around age 14 when I discovered the reason I was so bored and frustrated in school. I realized they were not teaching anyone to think or how to solve problems, they were teaching us to follow instructions. “Memorize this poem” was always one of my faves.

  8. Anne says:

    Even before reading Rayne’s comments following the video, I had the distinct feeling that young women introducing him was creeped out, seriously. ICK! Poor girl. He looked like he wanted to kiss her.

    • Rayne says:

      In the few seconds of Flynn’s interaction with that poor girl I learned everything the next 30 minutes his speech would repeat. No real respect for women (who else does he not respect?), no awareness of appearance in front of an audience (why doesn’t he care about the example he’s setting?). Creepy behavior from someone who complains about a lack of leadership.

  9. cfost says:

    Didn’t Nix of SCL/CA brag about feeding talking points and catch phrases to the Trump people on one of those videos? This smells like it.
    I am reminded again of that word that Bannon liked to use: “Deconstruct.”
    If I think of Trump’s recent actions in two areas, then Flynn’s words and actions make more sense: a) Turkey/Erdogan/Kurds/Dardanelles, b) Putin/Sanctions/Dardanelles/Russian military base in Syria.
    Not sure there was ever a sense of “team” in the Trump sphere,—probably more like a feeding frenzy of sharks—but it seems to me that, at the time of this speech, Flynn was sure that he had “won,” and that now it was time for him to get paid. The way to get paid is to mouth the SCL/CA/Trump propaganda.
    All of this points, of course, to the ( not just American) oligarchs. What are their motives and methods? Why isn’t Murdoch’s role in all of this mentioned more often?

  10. NorskieFlamethrower says:

    Sigh…I have been telling my fellow “boomers” since the early 60’s that we morphed into an imperial fascist state in 1945. And the evidence has been right in front of us and articulated by many “liberals” and some “conservatives” since at least the early 50’s. So at this point, as I have said here before: the only question relevant to our political and economic survival is where and when the military comes down.

  11. Robert Morris says:

    As a non-military person who met many Generals through my work on veterans’ issues, I was surprised by their range of abilities and apparent intelligence. Many have severe untreated PTSD. I respect their service, but found no reason to respect, in general, their judgement.

  12. Pete says:

    Most if not all of us here see (hear) this kind of talk as the (scary) rubbish it is.

    Scary rubbish because there is a significant set of people who are energized by this rubbish – thus the scary modifier.

    And if that set of people reach critical mass and are ignited…

  13. Palli says:

    It dawns on me that the public purpose, secret weapon,  for practitioners of this deranged public speaking style, is to make sure intelligent people don’t listen. It’s a speaking in tongues that serves nefarious people-trump, Ryan, Robertson- well. Journalists & pundits together can’t make sense of it without a Marcy Wheeler wired into their ear in real time.  So what happens is a few sound bites are broadcast and the full horrible context as well as the specific buried blather with real danger is unreported or ignored.

    Soooo many of trump’s speeches were shown in entirety but each time the tolerance level for anyone with half a brain was quickly depleted. The up-down front-back movement of the applause signs behind trump was essential to keep the crowd active (physically not mentally) and mutate his incoherent speech into one easy message: worship hero trump.

    • Bob Conyers says:

      It is very much identity-speak. If you’ve ever listened to an AM radio preacher, they’re not offering any kind of coherent analysis of the Bible, it’s stringing together of a series of ideas and soundbites for a selected audience.  (That’s not to say all AM radio preachers are the same — they can have very different takes).

      What’s frustrating is the hackneyed insistence of a lot of the punditocracy that mainstream liberals are at fault for not trying harder to meet people like this halfway. What the pundits fail to get is that there is no halfway. It may be possible to peel off the occasional person of that group who is alienated in some way, but you just aren’t going to reach someone who is immersed in apocalpytic Christianity by trying to speak their language and listen to their concerns — they are, in fact, convinced that the Whore of Babylon is on the way and the Seventh Seal is due to be opened.

      The problem with the pundits is that they never actually listen to the Michael Flynns of the world. They simply don’t hear Kevin Williamson say he wants to execute women who have abortions. So the pundits push an ignorant narrative that both sides are at equal fault, and also back the idea that you don’t actually need to pay attention to what the Flynns of the world are saying. The pundits just want the world to know that the world is made up of liberals and conservatives who are basically the same, and it makes no real difference which side you choose.

  14. Jan says:

    SpaceLifeForm

    Too be clear, by ‘turned’ I was not referring to cooperating with Mueller. I meant switched sides.

  15. Peterr says:

    From the middle of the speech, emphasis added:

    We into a place called Grand Junction, it has about, like I think the population is about five thousand. So they said, well maybe we’re going to get in there about three o’clock in the afternoon, probably you’ll talk at about four, so maybe people will out of work, will come out of work, maybe there will be a few kids who’ll come out of school. [12:49] So, we said, how do we want to, you know, so let’s make some calls, let’s see what we want to do. So we gotta’ literally about thirty minutes later, yeah, we think we’re going to get about two thousand. So Trump said, let’s make, let’s go, it’s worth it, he hadn’t been out there, we have the time, and we’re traveling, we’re moving. So then we said this, why don’t you tweet out, tweet out, that you’re going to be in Grand Junction, Colorado tomorrow, that you’re going to arrive at three o’clock in the afternoon, okay? And that was about four-thirty the Sunday before the Monday that we showed up. Eleven thousand people showed up. [13:31] Eleven thousand, yeah. I mean, eleven thousand people showed up to a place, I mean, it’s a beautiful little place in the middle of nowhere.

    Population of Grand Junction, CO: 61,881. But hey, what’s being off by greater than an order of magnitude between friends? I know Rayne hit this in her bullet points after the speech, but it’s worth hitting hard. Flynn either has no problem twisting facts to suit his narrative, or he has put such trust in the campaign advance folks that he is incapable of seeing their lies. Or, of course, both.

    Which brings us back to the Dinesh D’Souza reference at the top of the speech.

    Moving on . . .

    Our country was built upon the Judeo-Christian principles and values that make up our Constitution.

    A quick question for Mr. Flynn: Whose version of “Judeo-Christian principles” – Jesse Jackson’s or Jesse Helms? (h/t Martin Marty) . . . sigh. I could go on for days on this one, but let’s move on.

    we have what we call citizen journalists, ‘kay, because the journalists that we have in our media did a disservice, to themselves actually more than they did to this country. They did a disservice to themselves because they displayed an arrogance that is unprecedented. And so the American people decided to take over the idea of information. They took over the idea of information [14:52] and they did it through social media.

    Citizen journalists, upset with the mainstream media for not doing its job? Is this a shout-out to Marcy?

    *ducking*

    I’ll tell you two things I learned from my parents. Both of them are deceased now, my father was a World War II and Korea veteran, my mom, a wonderful, wonderful lady, she just died a year ago, a little over a year ago now, one of nine kids from a very small town up in Rhode Island, the state of Rhode Island. . . .

    The thing that my mother taught us was, my mother was an educator. She was a, she was, she got her law degree at the age of 69 years old.

    I’m guessing Flynn is glad that his mother wasn’t around to see him plead guilty to a felony in federal court.

    The rule of law can never, can never break down in this country. It must never break down in this country to a point where people begin to wonder is it, you know, what’s going on here? and getting concerned.

    This line sounds kind of different 15 months into the Trump administration.

    From the end of the speech:

    . . . for the young people that are here, you know, this is, you have to, you have to fight for what you believe in. You have to be prepared to fight for what you believe in. And you have to serve, you have to serve. You decide how you want to serve our country, whether it’s in uniform or whether it’s in some other capacity. Doesn’t matter. Serve this nation. Serve it bravely, serve it boldly, serve it honestly. If you want credibility, others will give you credibility. If you want credibility, maintain your integrity. Protect your integrity. People will give you credibility, you have to give yourself integrity.

    By the time I got to this, I couldn’t help but think of Cameron Kasky, Emma Gonzalez, David Hogg, and the rest of the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas students.

    But that’s probably not what Flynn et al. had in mind.

  16. Peterr says:

    When I hear folks like Flynn, Trump, et al. talking about revolution, I can’t help but think of this:

    You say you want a revolution
    Well you know
    We all want to change the world
    You tell me that it’s evolution
    Well you know
    We all want to change the world
    But when you talk about destruction
    Don’t you know you can count me out

    Also this:

    Paul McCartney, one of thousands attending New York City’s rally in the nationwide #MarchForOurLives on Saturday, took a moment to remember former Beatles bandmate, John Lennon.

    Walking close to Central Park, the iconic musician said it had special relevance thanks to its proximity to where Lennon was gunned down nearly 40 years ago.

    “One of my best friends was killed in gun violence right around here,” McCartney told CNN of the march.

    But as I said above, that’s probably not what Flynn et al. had in mind.

  17. greengiant says:

    Three timeline points re paid anarchists agitprop
    https://twitter.com/sheriffclarke/status/796574545243148288 @sheriffclarke 8:45 PM 9 Nov 2016.
    These temper tantrums from these radical anarchists must be quelled. There is no legitimate reason to protest the will of the people.
    @realdonaldTrump 10 Nov 2016
    ‏ … Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!
    12 Nov 2016 Saturday, Flynn’s speech.

    Milo worked for Bannon at Breitbart, the Bannon Putin plan to destroy America, destroy the GOP, destroy the Democratic party, destroy the media.
    The gamergate / breitbart / weaponized social media group, Milo, Chuck Johnson, Weev, Mensch, Cernovich with quite a venn intersection with pizzagate.

  18. greengiant says:

    Trump won the popular vote ( inserted randomly: after taking out fraudulent votes) agitprop had the likes of  3 million votes Greg Phillips involved.  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/who-gregg-phillips-man-trump-name-checked-prove-voter-fraud-n713186

    Remember Stephen Miller’s 6,000 bused in voters to New Hampshire, ” you can not deny”  Talking seriously BIG LYING alternate reality nut jobs here.

    Pre election the Trump vote fraud had two goals.  First was Bannon destructive innovation.  Second goal was the dog whistle to GOP to do voter suppression and poll watching.  Every mention of vote fraud was a bunch fewer votes from people on the wrong side of the tracks or with illegal family members, from  anyone who had something to lose being noticed at a polling location. The voter turnout issue is not just 2016. In Georgia 2017 for example, there was one Democratic precinct that had about a 30 percent turnout.

  19. Jan says:

    Flynn and Page are, in the traditional sense, and from all evidence, including their own recorded words – traitors. And no, the US is not in flux on that issue – until it is stated clearly, and completely. But, we know where the POTUS stands by what he discussed with Comey, after clearing the room, including the AG, with Comey. We also know what happened to Comey.

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