The End Of The Airplane Trash Talk

Okay, after a week of hijacking by Rayne (just kidding if you don’t get our humor here), we return you to your normal Trash Talk programming. This week is going to be a little different of format. We’ll talk sports in a bit, but the lead today is music.

I was a rather emancipated kid. I was allowed to pick out what I bought, especially as to music. But when my mother found out I had purchased Surrealistic Pillow by the Airplane, she kind of freaked. This was in late 1967 or so, maybe early 68, I can’t remember. But a woman that was totally cool with my childhood fascination with the Doors, the Airplane was a bridge too far. But I already had it, and that was that (Hendrix “Are You Experienced” and Stones “Aftermath” too; think mom may have seen a problem child early on, but didn’t stop it).

Anyway, back to the Airplane, they were one on the great, and most seminal bands ever. I am on at least my third copy of Surrealistic Pillow on wax by this point, but still have a very early version of Bless Its Pointed Little Head (as well as a newer one), the Airplane’s ground breaking live album from The Fillmore that came out a little over a year later. The Airplane rocked it up.

And, so, we come to the basis for this post today: Marty Balin has died. Now, while most people associate Grace Slick when you mention Jefferson Airplane, it was Marty Balin that founded it. Grace was not even the original female singer, Signe Toly Anderson was. It was originally Marty Balin’s band through the initial album “Jefferson Airplane Takes Off”. That was before the Slick era, but only by that first album in 1966. The Wiki on JA is fairly decent if interested in further history.

In sum, while not the Beatles or Stones, the Jefferson Airplane were the progenitors of San Francisco based counterculture rock. Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young? JA led the way. The Dead, same. They deserve a better place in history. Now the actual founder, Balin, is dead, as is co-founder Paul Kantner. Grace Slick is a recluse and Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Casady hang in as elder geniuses, but not seen much. They were all, individually, geniuses, and collectively something even better.

So, today, a remembrance for the original founder, Marty Balin. There will be two cuts to commemorate Mr. Balin. The first is “Clergy/Three Fifths of a Mile In Ten Seconds”, from Bless Its Pointed Little Head.It starts slow and then blows up into incredible rock. The second is a live song originally on the first album, Jefferson Airplane Take Off; “It’s No Secret”, with the original lineup Balin created with Signe Toly Anderson, before the singular presence of Grace Slick became the face of the band with such hits as White Rabbit and Somebody To Love. Enjoy some early seminal San Fran rock.

Alright, there are sports to be discussed too I guess. Sigh. Let’s start in the “student athlete” ranks. West Virginia and Texas Tech could be a barnburner and is just starting. I’ll take Tech in an upset. I don’t think Southern Miss can take Auburn in Jordan Hare stadium unless Brett Favre is coming in off the sideline, but it could be interesting. Penn State at Ohio State and Stanford at Notre Dame are huge national games. No good reason why, but will very gingerly go with OSU and Stanford. Said this before, don’t sleep on BYU, and today they are at Washington, that could be an excellent game. Oregon at Cal sounds important, but I just cannot get excited about it, think both are pretenders.

In the NFL, obviously the Fins at the Pats is extremely interesting. Miami is 3-0 and Pats 1-2. OMG! No laughing matter though, if the Fins can roll in and roll Brady and Bill Bel at home, there is REALLY a problem Boston. Same if the Wagon Circling Bills can ride into the Frozen Tundra and eclipse the Pack. I don’t think so, but it is really bad if so. Tampa Bay at Bears may be fascinating, will the Buccos start Rapies Winston, or the hot Harvard Hand, Ryan Fitzpatrick? Marcy’s Kittehs at Dallas is kind of curiously interesting, but not that much. Frankly, the Bronies at Rayduhs may be the biggest unknown and interesting game of the week!

In F1, the circus is in Sochi for the Russian Grand Prix, where Valteri Bottas has beaten teammate Lewis Hamilton to pole, and both ahead of Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen of Ferrari. Where in the world has the power pace the Ferraris showed early gone?? With Ricciardo and Verstappen far back on the grid, this is Hamilton’s race, and with it almost surely another Driver’s Championship. It has gotten sad, and I am not sure the “Liberty Media era” of F1 is going to get any better soon.

That is it for today ladies and gents. Hope you enjoyed your flight on Jefferson Airways.

88 replies
    • DMM says:

      As a “Go Vols!” dude, I can say for sure that you could be in a much, much worse predicament. Also a “Go Dawgs” person, but unfortunately of the New Haven, rather than the Athens, variety.

      Football season has not been kind in a long while.

    • Trent says:

      That’s changing.  The Dawgs are on a strong run and I expect that to continue over the next several years.  CKS is building a solid foundation with recruiting but Asst. coaching poaching will be a problem.

      I’m expecting the Dawgs to put together a solid game across all dimensions and boat-race the Vols and cover.  There is more hatred in this rivalry than the outside knows and the Dawgs have not yet proven they are for real.  Also, Vols fans are also more obnoxious than Gators and the alumni want this one run up.

      Count me an Airplane fan.  Not the deep cuts, but White Rabbit and Volunteers are on regular rotation.  That dude on bass really thumps it on that first track.  Who dat?

      Another note, is this FBI investigation of whiny-ass, man-baby gonna be a white wash?  I’m hoping they staff & scope it appropriately but not optimistic.

      • bmaz says:

        On bass, Jack Casady, and he was spectacular.

        Worse than Florida Gators’ fans?? That is truly hard to believe.

        • Trent says:

          They are.  And the vomit horde descends on Athens to stink it up every other year.  At least the jean cut-offs crowd stays far away from the Classic City.

      • Ed Walker says:

        I agree Vols fans really suck. I went to a Notre Dame game in Knoxville, wearing a small plastic shamrock, nothing obnoxious, and I got pushed around in the refreshment line at halftime, with all sorts of swearing, and UT was crushing the Irish. Screw those guys, I hope the Dawgs roll up the score.

        • Trent says:

          Notre Dame…heh.  Gotta say we love playing y’all in big games.   And last year’s opener was an education in hospitality.  Our traveling contingent came back acknowledging that we had work to do to rise to ND’s standard.

          That’s pretty typical in Knoxville.  The tailgate scene up there (if you’re wearing vomit) with the river & navy is really cool, but I think there’s a deficiency in class overall.  It really shows when they come to your town and act like they own it.

          Dawgs aren’t really showing up until the 4th Q this year.  I think that’s where our bench depth differentiates us from the posers.  Hope none of y’all have a financial interest in this game based on my handicap.  We gave up a long play in the 3rd that makes the fave a loser.

        • Eureka says:

          True, you could not go near Neyland or that campus on a Saturday.  I think that’s partly why John Ward’s voice on the radio was so beloved.  He died this past summer.  I still hear him say, GIVE HIM SIX! and “It’s football time in Tennessee!”

          But the best Vols dynasty was Pat Summit and Lady Vols basketball and the frick-and-frack with UConn mid-late-90s.

    • Steve Farnell says:

      The Dead and JA were the soundtrack to my youth.  I moved to the Bay Area shortly after the Summer of Love and have not left, literally and figuratively.  I saw the two bands hundreds of times and am fortunate to have gotten to know some of the musicians in those bands over the years.  Kantner and Balin’s passing has deeply affected me.

  1. JerryN says:

    Solid tribute to Marty Balin. The Airplane along with the Dead and Quicksilver were the seminal band San Francisco bands.

    On the motorsports front, if you want some low comedy make sure to watch tomorrow’s NASCAR Cup race at what looks to be a very poorly conceived road course set in the Charlotte infield. I’m expecting mayhem every lap.

  2. DrFunguy says:

    Thanks for the shout out to the Airplane.
    I’m still a huge Jorma fan and personally think his solo and acoustic Hot Tuna material holds up better over time than the (phenomenal but a bit topical) earlier material. His Blue Country Heart (2002) was Grammy nominated for “Best Traditional Folk Album.” and Quah remains a timeless gem…
    Just my two cents as the era winds down…

    • Steve Farnell says:

      Hot Tuna is still out there on the road.  Jorma owns property in Ohio and hosts and guitar camp every year.  I recently saw Hot Tuna Electric with Steve Kimock sitting in.

  3. Pete says:

    I see you are transporting me back to when my age was the same as when Brett was a real fuckup. Damn you bmaz and thank you as always. Ima gonna guess you are less enamored with the Starship years.

    But let us not forget that Brett was a top student, played football, and basketball “loves beer – I mean really loves beer” and in my dreams, if there is karma, may Clay Matthews somehow blind side rough his ass up.

    Agree on your Fins note – at the Pats – this is a real test. The Pats are struggling and dangerous at home and probably pissed (we still don’t cover the TE well). First real test IMHO for the Fins dreamers and yeas a near must have for the Pats.


    IRL I am hoping Clay doesn’t get the four-fer on the field in Buffalo.

  4. pseudonymous in nc says:

    Also the Ryder Cup, the only golf worth watching because trash talk, and the US team on foreign soil is giving back as much as they get, which is fine and proper.

    Europe traditionally does better in the foursomes and fourballs but the US started brightly this time. Then eight straight wins from Europe created a good cushion for tomorrow’s singles. Europe always has one or two relatively low-profile players who seem to show up, and this time it was Moliwood: Francesco Molinari and Tommy Fleetwood have four points from four matches. The course is fun, too: narrow fairways and punishing rough and water hazards, where overconfidence and raw power will undo you.

    • bmaz says:

      Local golf show on radio complaining vociferously about Mickelson being on team. Silent about Woods who has not won much more this year or been particularly higher ranked. Either way, not sure they are the real problem.

  5. Bruce Olsen says:

    Marty Balin’s death is a definite loss. Get out and see Hot Tuna while you can; you’ll be looking for the extra fingers on their hands.

    “Somebody to Love” is the perfect set opener. Trust me on that. We didn’t even need to count it down.

    I’d argue that Quicksilver was the vanguard of the San Francisco sound, even though it wasn’t as popular as the better-known names. Pretty much every musician listened to them and, ummm, borrowed what they could. Others brought it to the masses.

    Bonus item. Please, no San Fran. Granted, it’s an order of magnitude better than (ugh) Frisco but it’s still well below zero in terms of acceptability. SF will do (or if you’re a lingering Herb Caen fan, The City).

    • bmaz says:

      Have seen Hot Tuna three times, they are great. If they come here again, I will go again. Don’t see such an appearance on their tour schedule though. Last time they were good, but not quite like before.

      • Bruce Olsen says:

        Who among us is quite like we were before ;-)

        At one level, music is designing an experience for the listener, and as with all design it’s what you do when faced with the inevitable constraints that’s important. The great ones play the notes that matter and skip the superfluous ones, which were always vanity anyway (tho’ fun to listen to, I admit).

        On another note (!) let me express my appreciation for everyone here. You’re definitely hitting all the important notes (!!!)

  6. Rapier says:

    Surrealistic Pillow was more folk  rock than rock.

    I just found this Balin quote on Wiki. This touches on my crackpot theory that cocaine ruined everything, even more than Steamboats,  and this was about 1970, not 1979.

    ” Cocaine was a big deal in those days and I wasn’t a cokie and I couldn’t talk with everybody who had an answer for every goddamn thing, rationalizing everything that happened. I thought it made the music really tight and constrictive and ruined it. So after Janis died, I thought, I’m not gonna go onstage and play that kind of music; I don’t like cocaine.”

    Cocaine is uniquely soul destroying. That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.

    I knew my Cubs were doomed this year when Todd Rickett’s took the post of GOP Finance Committee Chairman when Steve Wynn left. Bad bad juju.  More Chicago.  Trubisky has to do his best Bobbie Douglas imitation, he’s never going to be a good passer.

    • Ed Walker says:

      Agree on the cocaine as soul deadener. I had a client once with a coke problem, really bad, it almost wrecked his business. He came in just before he was driven into bankruptcy. He said he was quitting coke and needed help with the business. I never met anyone so dead inside. I didn’t want to take the case because we would have to sort of vouch for hime, and I didn’t think he could quit without help.My partner decided to take the case, bought him some time, and got some decent debt deals.

      He proved me wrong. He quit cold turkey. It took 3 years to pay off all the debt, including the reductions my partner got for him, but he did it. As the drug left his system, his personality changed completely. He became lively, funny and a pleasure to be around. He got married, we heard a couple of years later, and the business succeeded. I regard it as one of my partner’s biggest successes.

      • Peterr says:

        And, more importantly, that client’s biggest success.

        Given the musical theme of this post, I think of Ray Charles and James Taylor kicking heroin. Yes, it’s possible, but the odds of it happening are not in the addict’s favor.

        Good for him, and for your partner in holding out a lifeline.

      • Rapier says:

        I was thinking in terms of the millions who binged on it, for a year or two, dabbled longer, and perhaps dabble still. Successful people. Wonder if Kavanaugh ran into some blow at Yale.

  7. Bruce Olsen says:

    QMS, GD, JA all took heavily from the folk tradition, which is probably the main distinguishing characteristic of the SF sound.

    And yes, coke was never a good thing; same effect speed had. Nothing better than a little spleef for jammin with the band…

  8. Ed Walker says:

    I continue my boycott of the football Irish, despite being a grad, decades of rooting for them and a residual hope they will do well. I can’t take the right-wing Catholicism and the sanctimony of the team and too many of its supporters. And knowing what I know about the way the athletes are treated, there and elsewhere, it just seems wrong.

  9. Rayne says:

    Jefferson Airplane didn’t do it for me though I have always adored Grace Slick’s vocals.

    A few years after your mother flipped about Surrealistic Pillow my father bought me my first turntable stereo and two albums — Carole King’s Tapestry and Santana’s Abraxas. I still don’t know why Abraxas; maybe he liked the cover they did of Tito Puente’s Oye Como Va, which I love, too. Give the cover art I am still tripped out that he gambled and bought it. I played Tapestry most of the time when my folks were home but Abraxas when they were out.

    Now I can play it all I want, loop Samba Pa Ti endlessly if I choose.

    • bmaz says:

      Abraxas. Yes. Knew it back then, but again prominent up on Lake Powell. We always anchored in a canyon, and the right music would echo off your top deck and off the canyon walls. Abraxas, Dark Side Of The Moon and Wish You Were Here, some early Cult and INXS, there were a few that were made to be played loud in a canyon. But Abraxas was at the top, Hope yer feeling better!

      • Peterr says:

        I have memories of folks putting their rather large speakers in the windows in college, and it would echo off the other buildings in the quad. Maybe not the same sound, but it was glorious. Especially Abraxas.

    • Steve13209 says:

      I think Abraxas was the first album I ever listened to. My childhood friend had it on cassette. If it came out in 1970, we were 12. I remember the first couple of albums I ever bought were Paranoid-Black Sabbath and Every Good Boy-Moody Blues. Weird mix, but I’ve been a music dabbler my whole life.

      Took a course in college “Philosophy and the Counter-Culture, where I finally listened to Surrealistic Pillow and a lot of Phil Ochs. Now, I tend to fall back to what I listened to in college, which was late seventies and early eighties.

  10. Bruce Stewart says:

    Those interested in 60s SF Bay Area music might want to look up Wolfgang’s Vault, which hosts live recordings from Bill Graham concerts, mostly recorded directly off the sound board. Limited free listening was allowed last time I visited. Includes most every artist Bill Graham promoted, ranging from Staple Singers to Paco de Lucia.

    Perhaps Rayne would like Joy of Cooking, which opened the way for female-fronted bands (Terry Garthwaite and Toni Brown). “Brownsville” aka “Too Late But Not Forgotten” would be a top choice for looping.

  11. 'Stargirl says:

    Marty was a real sweet guy. His dad Joe Buck (Buchwald) was a printer in San Fran who printed their gig posters and posters for other bands. Bill Thompson, the Airplane’s manager, said it was Marty who started the San Fran scene. Marty transformed a former pizza shop into his club, the Matrix in 1965, where the Airplane first took off, being the first S.F. band to be signed by a major label, RCA….here’s some vids of Marty and the songs he wrote…Miracles……Volunteers of America……and a 1968 rooftop event in NYC..

    • Peterr says:

      Thank you for the parenthetical “(Buchwald)” – I almost spilled my drink. The notion of a certain St. Louis-rooted sportscaster having a connection with SF band posters? Naaaahhhhhh.

  12. dakine01 says:

    Well, the Wildcats here in Lexington just might be legit this year. South Carolina at The Grocery tonight.

    Hilltoppers still pretty much suck. Oh well.

  13. scribe says:

    Well, I just finished a magnificent “dessert” – Vanilla bean Halo Top in Vernors.  This might be the apotheosis of the Boston Cooler.

    Speaking of Boston Coolers, we come to the Cheating Cheaters of Cheatertown, where press reports have confirmed what we’d suspected:  Gronk has earned Biebs’ undying loyalty and Cheatin’ Bill’s everlasting emnity.  “I’ll retire if you trade me [to Detroit].  Brady is my QB.”  This limns the struggle going on inside the Cheaters.  The owner loves Biebs, maybe more than his own son.  This allows Biebs to have a power base separate and apart from Cheatin’ Bill’s fear-based autocracy.  He’s largely immune to Cheatin’ Bill.  This sits about as well as you might think.

    So Cheatin’ Bill demolishes the receiving corps.  I mean, they stooped to trading a draft pick for Josh Gordon and his bad hamstring.  After the Browns gave up on him.  Bill’s logic seems clear:  no receivers (and not much of a running game) makes Brady look bad, bad-looking Brady can be blamed for losing (or he’ll get tired of losing) and thus will be easier to get rid of.

    I’m still waiting for some inquiring reporter to tell us who sired the baby Kraft’s much-younger girlfriend bore earlier this year.  He’s denied being dad, with pride and not anger in his voice. I speculate the answer to this riddle has some relationship to the intra-team dynamic.

    I was pleased to see my Stillers win Monday, finally.  They have a ways to go, including getting rid of Bad Teammate LeVeon Bell in a way which will not hurt them or come back to bite them.  The J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS sound like a good landing spot.  And they’ll have better draft spots.

    That said, I think the Chefs and Iggles are the class of their respective conferences.  It is a great pleasure to see the Owboys slowly, inexorably implode.

    The game tonight is Ohio State AT Penn State.  Whiteout night in Happy Valley.  Impressive.

    For those who have wondered I’ve been writing tags for the XFL, scheduled to rise from the dead in a year or so, to show what King Roger the Clown will have to face.  MacMahon and Co. will pitch explicitly what the NFL used to imply – gladiatorial violence, etc.   King Roger will only make things worse with every rules tweak.

    “XFL:  Where a catch is a catch, a tackle is a tackle, and roughing the passer is a way of life.”

    Don’t get me started on the roughing the passer bullshit.

    • Peterr says:

      But will Trump be happy that the XFL succeeds (and sticks it to the NFL), or pissed that he’s not part of it?

    • scribe says:

      Speaking of Cheatin’ Bill demolishing the receiver corps in Cheatertown, the ESPN crawl reports they’ve released the same WR, one Corey Coleman, for the second time in the last 2 weeks.  Back on 9/17 it was from the 53-man roster to the practice squad.  Today, it was from the practice squad.

      My guess is that he was the guy there to emulate Amendola and, since that game is today, they don’t need his likes any more.

      Y’know, if you keep practicing this whole “Creation by destruction” thing long enough all you get is rubble.  But, given the apparent involvement in this thing of Cheatin’ Bill’s ego vs. the Biebs/Kraft Axis, I think we’re talking the Patsies hosting rubble on the scale of Berlin, Spring ’45 before it’s all over.

  14. Jonathan says:

    Balin gone: stone bummer! Not only was he the founder of JA, and a wonderful musician but a courageous man. The only performer who stood up to the Hell’s Angels at Altamont — he got knocked out cold for his pains.

    Fond memories of hearing the Airplane at the Fillmore East the day after the Kent State shooting. Kantner introduced their opening of “Volunteers” by saying that the group was going to buy the biggest flag they could find and fly it upside down so that “Maybe the prick in the White House will understand!” The music that followed was emotional and powerful too. On “Somebody to Love” Grace was her usual barn burning self. I understand that she sits now in Malibu painting pictures of a White Rabbit and selling them for $8,000 a pop. Oh well…

  15. jdmckay says:

    I was at JA’s last concert at Winterland. Unbelievable, one of best I ever say (and I saw a lot in those days).

    > Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Casady hang in as elder geniuses, but not seen much. <

    You aren't keeping up bmaz. :) Hot Tuna is on tour now, did an anniversery tour a couple years ago to great acclaim. I went out of my way to see HT going back decades.

    Kaukonen does (at least) 1 guitar "camp" at his ranch every year, usually last a week. I went to 2 of 'em in early 2000's, great time/great music/great learning.

    Both of 'em still quite active and playing as well as ever.
    Many consider Jorma one of elite steel string finger-pickers on the planet.

  16. Kick the darkness says:

    Starship predates me, but I did catch Kaukonen and Casady at Boulder’s Fox Theater late 1980’s/early 1990’s. I don’t think it was billed as Hot Tuna though; can’t recall. It was a great low-key Boulder evening. it wasn’t packed and nice to just relax and let the music come to you. If memory serves Jorma played much of the evening on some kind of console steel. and some acoustic stuff too.

    Sports: If anyone saw Sturridge’s late equalizer in Chelsea v Liverpool, it was a beauty. There’s a video from the keeper’s angle. The shot comes from well outside the 18 yd box, but only curls late, hard and away, after Arrizabalaga sets.

    • Eureka says:

      Kick the darkness, aren’t you the one making an end-of-trump mix tape?  I was going to suggest Zevon’s Genius.  I know it’s counter-intuitive because it’s a more intimate eff you, but I think it’ll fit when the time comes.

      • Kick the darkness says:

        Thanks!  Been about forever since I listened to that song.

        “He thinks he’ll be alright but he doesn’t know for sure
        Like every other unindicted coconspirator”

        Yes indeed.

  17. new-radical says:

    FMD, I discovered Airplane late, 1977, my boss (I was trying to be an accountant, And I fucking succeeded) loved the plane but I was soon to discover Dire Straits. I never recovered!

    I was trying to play Irish folk protest songs on a fingerpicking acoustic guitar. I discovered Tom Paxton. And then there was this guy, finger picking in a big-time rock and roll band, Knopfler, I have never recovered. I am out of the Kentish agricultural class. Google Wat Tyler for those of you who might be interested. Don’t blame the English for the woes of the world, It’s time for a new class revolution.

    Rock on Mark, a wonderful Northern English man from a jewish heritage.

    I make this post is the spirit of Trash Talk!

  18. new-radical says:

    Hi Bmaz,

    I love this EW site so much and am encouraged that my Oz views might resonate.

    I’m sure that you would have heard the solo on the Alchemy, live version of Sultans of Swing. It went for 10 or 20 mins…

    But I have another claim to (peripheral, if you get that joke) fame, in the spitit of Trash Talk, the bride and me met at college (in Derby, midlands, England) in ’77 and we went to the Derby, rendition of the Gerry Rafferty, City to City tour. Derby, one of the UK’s most underrated cities, is a bit like a ‘rust belt’ idea.

    If you remember that was where the ‘classic’ Baker Street was first performed, possibly the greatest sax solo in ‘ROCK’. The bloke who played it was called Rapheal Ravenscroft and I can still see him in my mind’s eye as if it were yesterday. I read much later that he was paid twenty quid for his rights to the song. new-radicals rock on!

    He wore purple, and had hair down to his waist, but it was really curly and when wet must have gone down to his toes. The live solo went for 20-30 minutes! The most fantastic rock experience for me despite that I had been at Knebworth in 1975 when Pink Floyd debutted Dark Side of the Moon.

    The bride and me are still together, marriage rocks!

  19. jo6pac says:

    F-1 Team orders:-(

    9ers hopefully will stay close in scoring. They had 7 quarterbacks in to try out, only one with nfl starts and Colin still doesn’t have a job in the nfl. The back up quarterback is the tight end. WTF

    Raiders lose to the Browns to give the Browns first back to back wins since a long time ago.

    I grew up in the Bay Area during 60s and 70s. I saw the JAs play 3 times in one week and I never tired of the sound. My favorite.

    bmz and Ms. bmz great puppy name.

    • bmaz says:

      First album as far as I know was Dragonfly. But the Paul Kantner project Blows Against The Empire was released before Dragonfly under the name Jefferson Starship, that Slick and Kantner adopted from thereon out. All of it pretty great stuff. Until that “We Built This City” baloney.

      And while Starship was never really Airplane, its earlier material was very kick ass. Craig Quachico was very good on guitar for them. This is fun to go back, isn’t it?

  20. DrFunguy says:

    Jefferson Starship, for the unitiated, included a cast of characters such as Jerry Garcia, David Crosby, Graham Nash, and others. AFAIK three discs resulted, the two aforementioned and ‘Baron von Tollbooth and the Chrome Nun’. Many of the same folk were on the David Crosby ‘solo’ album ‘If I Could Only Remember My Name’ and Mickey Hart’s ‘Rolling Thunder’.
    A blast from the past to be sure. Sidenote: none of this is in the wikipedia entry for Jefferson Starship, I guess because they were considered Kantner-Slick efforts…

    • 'Stargirl says:

      DrFunguy…yes, they were a rotating cast of San Fran musician friends, who recorded together at Wally Heider’s studio…they were the Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra.  Blows Against The Empire (1970) was the first album “bookend”and the other bookend title album Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra recorded about 1982. Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra was never released by RCA.  Legend is that Paul Kantner slammed a knife into the desk of the RCA exec who refused to release the album…

      • DrFunguy says:

        Kantner was always the most radical of the bunch, I’m guessing.

        He joined Jorma and Jac for a show at the Peacock tavern in Corvallis Oregon around 1990. Still singing of revolution (Nicaragua at the time). I am fortunate to have seen Hot Tuna many times. My favorite was at the Further Festival the year after Garcia’s passing. Many bands were there and the grand finale featured Jorma and Jack playing White Rabbit with vocals by the ‘Mint Juleps’ who sang back up on Mickey Hart’s ‘Mystery Box’.
        Never heard of Plant Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra and thought I had knowledge of the whole catalogue of that phenomenon. Thanks for the tip.

  21. it's complicated says:

    Ah, fond memories of what I heard when back in highschool and university.

    I started with The Kinks, then got to know a friend with a huge collection of good stuff.

    Rare Bird (e.g. Sympathy), The Flock, Brainbox (pre-Focus), The Move (pre-ELO, e.g. Blackberry Way), The Troggs, Nektar (but only the albums they made in Europe!), Aphrodite’s Child (the “666” double album is a must listen, one of the members was a certain Vangelis Papathanassiou btw.), The Fugs (e.g Nothing), Hooker&Heat, Burdon&War and too many others to remember now.

    Over the last 20 years, music from Korea, (but not kpop!), especially indie stuff and crossovers with traditional music have become a musical parallel universe for me.

    Just one pseudorandom link in order not to fall foul of spam detection:

    Generally, some rhythms and voices touch me most. Some can even be used as medicine when depressed or exhausted.

    P.S.: Hoping that everybody over there with a heart and a brain will succeed in stopping the kavvernaut. Watching what happens in the U.S. from Europe, it’s 1% chuckle and 99% zomg, I want this horror movie to end:-(

  22. Bay State Librul says:

    The Miami Herald is pretty honest, unlike one obsessed Patriot Hater, who is a damn good writer, but may be lacking, in gulp, objectivity.

    From the Herald….

    “The Patriots didn’t just beat the Dolphins on Sunday, they embarrassed Miami.”

  23. bmaz says:

    Couple of additional things from the early cut (second in this post): The old Shure microphones were killer. Very much ahead of their time. Secondly, Balin, Slick and Kantner may have run the gig, but (and many people in this thread have discussed them) Jorma and Casady provided a backbeat and lead that was really special. And you can tell it already on the It’s No Secret cut that was quite before Grace Slick arrived.

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