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DOJ IG Report on Carter Page and Related Issues: Mega Summary Post

Update, January 6: After much haranguing from bmaz, I’m updating this post with a new section discussing whether any of the problems with Carter Page’s FISA application would have mattered, had be been criminally charged. I argue that, given precedents about reviewing FISA applications and suppressing warrants, none of the problems with Page’s FISA application would have mattered were it used in a criminal prosecution. As the IG carries out further review of FBI’s FISA work — and as policy makers decide how to integrate the lessons of this IG Report — that reality needs to be part of the consideration, and, in part because Horowitz dodged the issue of these precedents, that’s missing from this discussion.

I’ve spent the last week doing a really deep dive into the DOJ IG Report on Carter Page and am finally ready to start explaining what it shows (and what it does not show or where it demonstrably commits the same kinds of errors it accuses the Crossfire Hurricane team of). This post will be a summary of what the IG Report shows about the Carter Page FISA process (with some comment on the FISA process generally).

I will do follow-up posts on — at a minimum — how the report treats “exculpatory” information and the biases of this report, what the report says about Bruce Ohr (where I think this report fails, badly), the details the Report offers on the Steele reports, and what it implies about Oleg Deripaska. I’ll probably do one more demonstrating how this IG Report radically deviates from past history on similar reports in ways that are remarkable and troubling. Eventually I’ll do some posts on what should be done to fix FISA.

This post will address the following topics:

  • The predication of the investigation
  • The errors impacting Carter Page
  • The details about whether Carter Page should have been targeted
  • Whether Page would have been able to suppress these warrants had he been charged

The predication of the investigation

The Report is quite clear: “Crossfire Hurricane,” as the investigation was called (henceforth, CH), started in response to the tip Australia provided in the wake of the release of the DNC emails on WikiLeaks.

The FBI opened Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016 following the receipt of ·certain information from a Friendly Foreign Government (FFG). According to the information provided by the FFG, in May 2016, a Trump campaign foreign policy advisor, George Papadopoulos, “suggested” to an FFG official that the Trump campaign had received “some kind of suggestion” from Russia that it could assist with the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton (Trump’s opponent in the presidential election) and President Barack Obama. At the time the FBI received the FFG information, the U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC), which includes the FBI, was aware of Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections, including efforts to infiltrate servers and steal emails belongfng to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The FFG shared this information with the State Department on July 26, 2016, after the internet site Wikileaks began releasing emails hacked from computers belonging to the DNC and Clinton’s campaign manager.

The WikiLeaks release made Papadopoulos’ comments to Alexander Downer (and, probably, his aide Erica Thompson, who had an earlier meeting with him in May 2016 before one she attended with Downer) look like the campaign had advance knowledge from the Russians about that release. That it did has since been confirmed with respect to Papadopoulos and — evidence in Roger Stone’s trial suggests — possibly Stone, too.

Australia provided the tip first to the US embassy in London (which may or may not have involved the CIA), which then passed it on to the Philadelphia Field Office, which passed it to the Section Chief of Cyber Counterintelligence Coordination at FBI HQ, where it arrived on July 28. People at HQ, including Peter Strzok, spent the next three days discussing what to do, after which Bill Priestap opened a full investigation to determine whether the Trump campaign was coordinating with the government of Russia.

On July 31, 2016, the FBI opened a full counterintelligence investigation under the code name Crossfire Hurricane “to determine whether individual(s) associated with the Trump campaign are witting of and/or coordinating activities with the Government of Russia.”

A big part of that was trying to figure out how Papadopoulos might have gotten advance notice of the email dump, which is why, over the next 16 days, the FBI opened counterintelligence investigations into the four most likely sources of that information: Papadopoulos himself, Carter Page (who was already the subject of a counterintelligence investigation opened in April 2016), Paul Manafort (who was already the subject of a money laundering investigation opened in January 2016), and Mike Flynn (who had met with Putin the previous December and had ongoing communications with the GRU).

Of the four, Page is the only one not charged with or judged to have lied to obstruct the investigation (though the FBI believed he was not telling the full truth in his March 2017 interviews). The government still has questions about what Page, Manafort, and Papadopoulos did during the campaign period. And a counterintelligence investigation into Flynn remained ongoing as of May. In other words, not only was the investigation justified, but it still is, because questions about everyone originally included remain.

The IG found no bias in the opening of the investigation, and everyone asked said the FBI would have been derelict had they not done so.

That’s worth keeping in mind as Bill Barr lies about the reasons for and results of this investigation, not least because had FBI made different decisions early in the investigation, it might have had more success in figuring out what (especially) Paul Manafort was up to.

The errors impacting Carter Page

In part because the FBI already had substantiated concerns about Page’s willingness to work with known Russian intelligence officers, it moved immediately to get a FISA order on him in August 2016. Lawyers deemed it premature. Then, days after the CH belatedly got the first Christopher Steele reports (which had been churning around FBI for two months), they moved to get a FISA order on him. By the time they applied for the order, they had additional damning information about his July 2016 trip to Russia (that he believed he had been offered an “open checkbook” to form a pro-Russian think tank in the US), but it is true that the dossier was the precipitating event that led the CH team to start the FISA process.

The decision to get a FISA order relying on an unverified tip from an existing “Confidential Human Source” was, per the report, no unusual. Not only does that happen, but Steele is a more credible informant than lots of sources for intelligence targeting. Moreover, by the time of the application, FBI had laid out who his assumed sub-sources were (including Sergei Millian, whom they knew to be interacting closely with Papadopoulos by the time the order was approved).

That said there were clear errors with Page’s applications. Those fall into three areas:

  • The FBI did not tell FISC that Page had been an approved contact for CIA until 2013
  • The FBI did not describe Steele accurately and failed to update the application as it discovered problems with the dossier
  • The FBI did not include information that the IG deemed exculpatory to either Page (correctly) or Papadopoulos (less convincingly)

Notice about Page’s past CIA contacts

Before the FBI first applied for a FISA targeting Page, and again in June 2017, it learned that Page had been approved for “operational contact” from 2008 until 2013. Per a footnote, an operational contact is someone the CIA can talk to about information he has, but not someone they can task to collect information.

According to the other U.S. government agency, “operational contact,” as that term is used in the memorandum about Page, provides “Contact Approval,” which allows the other agency to contact and discuss sensitive information with a U.S. person and to collect information from that person via “passive debriefing,” or debriefing a person of information that is within the knowledge of an individual and has been acquired through the normal course of that individual’s activities. According to the U.S. government agency, a “Contact Approval” does not allow for operational use of a U.S. person or tasking of that person.

While the details are not entirely clear, Page appears to have told CIA honestly about his contacts with the first Russian intelligence officer who recruited him after he returned to the US from Russia, but not another (probably Victor Podobnyy). His last contact with CIA was in July 2011, which seems to suggest he did not reveal his ongoing ties to Russian intelligence officers to CIA. Moreover, the FBI would come to have concerns about his earlier ties with Russian spies that would not be excused by this CIA designation, not least because after Podobnyy and his fellow Russian intelligence officers were indicted, Page told a Russian stationed at the UN and some others that he knew he was the person described in the indictment, which they discovered when preparing for trial in 2016. The FBI would come to believe Page was less than honest about Page’s comments about showing up in the indictment in 2017.

The FBI did not provide notice of the CIA designation, at all, to FISC. That’s a big problem because the FBI had included both Russian recruitment attempts in its application without explaining that Page had been candid about the first one with the CIA. Worse still, in advance of the last reauthorization in June 2017, FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith — who is one of the people who had sent anti-Trump texts using his FBI phone — altered an email to hide the relationship.

None of that changes that Carter Page, throughout this period, told anyone who asked that he thought it was okay to provide non-public information to people he knew to be Russian intelligence officers, nor that he enthusiastically considered taking money from Russia to set up a pro-Russian think tank. But it does raise real questions about whether Page was acting clandestinely, a key requirement for a FISA application.

Inaccurate descriptions of Steele

The IG Report also shows a number of problems with the way the FBI described Steele.

For the first application, that consisted of two problems. First, the FBI didn’t ask Steele’s handler, Mike Gaeta, for his description of Steele’s reliability. As a result, the description overstated how much of his past reporting to the FBI had been corroborated (some of it had been, but much of it was, like the Trump dossier, based on single sources in Russia who couldn’t easily be replicated), and falsely stated that his earlier reporting had been used in court cases, which would have signaled that prosecutors had found it reliable. His reporting had been key to starting the FIFA investigation, but mostly to start the investigation, not to substantiate evidence for trial. Unlike the non-notice about this CIA relationship, this is an error that would have been fixed had the FBI rigorously adhered to the Woods procedures (though the FBI Agent who did the application did have a document — an intelligence report on Steele — he relied on, just not the proper one).

The other initial problem is that the FBI claimed that Steele had not been behind a September 23 Michael Isikoff story relying on Steele’s reporting, something I’ve always found inexcusable. That said, the FBI did alert FISC to the article — they just ridiculously assumed that Glenn Simpson had been the source for the story, not Steele, and did so after initially stating that Steele was behind it. Had they attributed the story to Steele, they would have had to close him as a source weeks before they otherwise did, but it probably wouldn’t have affected the initial approval for the order.

The far more egregious error, however, came on reauthorizations (see this post for a timeline of the events laid out in the report). Starting immediately after they closed Steele as a source, the FBI started getting more details — initially from Bruce Ohr, then Steele’s former colleagues, then his primary sub-source — about his reporting. And most of the things they learned should have raised general concerns about Steele and serious concerns about the reliability of the dossier. Of the ten additional problems DOJ IG found with the applications on the renewals, six of them pertain to providing no notice of increasing reason to doubt the Steele dossier.

I’ll write about the Steele fiasco in a follow-up post. But one detail is worth noting here. There was disagreement between Steele and the FBI about his work dating back to 2013, with Steele understanding he was a contractor and the FBI treating him (partly for bureaucratic reasons) as a CHS. Then, in October 2016, when the CH team tried to task him to answer specific questions about the investigation — about the predicated subjects of the investigation, physical evidence, sub sources who might serve as cooperating witnesses — there was again a misunderstanding about whether Steele was working exclusively for the FBI or simply providing information he was providing to Fusion. As a result, Steele believed he could speak to the press about anything he wasn’t doing for FBI exclusively (which included the dossier), but the FBI considered that cause to stop using him altogether.

Failure to include exculpatory information

Finally, the FBI failed to include exculpatory information pertaining to denials from Page, Papadopoulos, and Joseph Mifsud, and reliability questions about Millian (who was himself the subject of a counterintelligence investigation).

The DOJ IG is absolutely right that FBI should have included Page’s denials in these applications, which include denials that he had ever spoken to Paul Manafort (as alleged in the dossier), had a role in the Republican platform on Ukraine (also alleged in the dossier), or had a role in the email release (the question they were supposed to be answering). All those denials are, as far as we know, absolutely correct. It also excluded his denials of meeting Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin (as alleged in the dossier), which is probably true, though FBI obtained RUMINT supporting a Sechin meeting.

I’ll address DOJ IG’s stance on the Papadopoulos and Mifsud denials later, both of which were (and were deemed to be by the FBI) at least partly false. But it raises a key problem with a FISA application that — unlike a criminal warrant affidavit — will never be shared with the target of it. Excluding this kind of stuff is generally deemed acceptable in a normal criminal warrant. It is not (and should not be) here, because there will never be discovery. But that raises real questions about what gets counted as exculpatory, which is a topic I’ll return to.

Ultimately, the IG Report judged it should all have been noticed to DOJ which, for the most part, it was not.

Note, Julian Sanchez argues — convincingly, I think — that many of these errors come not from malice or political bias, but from confirmation bias.

Whether Carter Page should have been targeted

The errors in the Page applications are inexcusable.

But they don’t address (and the IG Report pointedly avoids addressing) whether he should have been targeted, from a Fourth Amendment, prudential, or investigative focus standpoint.

Without the full application, it’s impossible to say with certainty whether it would meet probable cause had FBI addressed the problems laid out in the IG Report. But a summary of what the IG Report says appeared in the applications (which I’ve laid out here) suggests there probably was probable cause to support the first two applications. In the first one, the derogatory evidence against Steele’s reporting was not yet known to the agents submitting the application (more on that in a follow-up), so he would have been deemed a credible informant by any measure. And by the second one, the FBI had obtained enough information on Page’s trips to Moscow that likely would have supported a probable cause finding without the dossier — though that finding would have far less to do with whether the Trump campaign had foreknowledge of the email dump, which is unsurprising given that FBI already had an investigation into Page in April 2016. The third and fourth application, however, are much closer calls.

That’s a separate question from whether it was a good idea to get a FISA order on Page, something that multiple people at DOJ raised even before the first application, including Stu Evans (the same guy who ensured there’d be a footnote clarifying that Steele likely was working for a political candidate). As the IG Report describes, everyone at FBI responded by saying they could not pull their punches because of political risk.

According to Evans, he raised on multiple occasions with the FBI, including with Strzok, Lisa Page, and later McCabe, whether seeking FISA authority targeting Carter Page was a good idea, even if the legal standard was met. He explained that he did not see a compelling “upside” to the FISA because Carter Page knew he was under FBI investigation (according to news reports) and was therefore not likely to say anything incriminating over the telephone or in email. On the other hand, Evans saw significant “downside” because the target of the FISA was politically sensitive and the Department would be criticized later if this FISA was ever disclosed publicly. He told the OIG that he thought there was no right or wrong answer to this question, which he characterized as a prudential question of risk vs. reward, but he wanted to make sure he raised the issue for the decision makers to consider. According to Evans, the reactions he received from the FBI to this prudential question were some variations of-we understand your concerns, those are valid points, but if you are telling us it’s legal, we cannot pull any punches just because there could be criticism afterward.

It’s easy to say Evans was right on this. But if you go there, it also raises the question that no Trump supporter ever wants to answer (when discussing this FISA or the use of CHSes): what should FBI have done when faced with evidence that Trump was amenable to the help from Russia and might be coordinating with them?

That’s a debate we really need to have but won’t because Barr is trying mightily to pretend the correct answer is “nothing.”

Which is a pity, because I suspect there are key policy issues that trying to answer the question would raise. For example:

  • Aside from the National Security Letters FBI had already served on Page’s providers in the spring, were there other less intrusive kinds of legal process that would have answered some of the questions about Page (and Papadopoulos) without obtaining content?
  • Given FBI’s success at gagging providers, why couldn’t it have used normal criminal process?
  • Are CHSes really as unintrusive as FBI claims, or should they be reserved for higher predication in the FBI’s Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (though because CH was a full investigation, they would have achieved that level of predication anyway)
  • Why did FBI wait to obtain Page’s financial records — which, for someone working for “free” for the campaign didn’t implicate the campaign at all — until the spring?
  • If FBI believed — because this was clearly a counterintelligence investigation — it had to use FISA, did something prevent it from using Section 215 first to obtain more probable cause?
  • Was Page even the key person they should have been focusing on?

The last question gets into whether targeting Page with a FISA was the right question — both on the first application, and on the fourth — from an investigative standpoint.

In an effort to ensure the investigation would not leak, from its inception through December 2016, CH was done out of FBI Headquarters (for diagrams of the three different organizations used before Mueller took over, see PDF 117-119), meaning it didn’t have the investigative resources it would have had if it had left the investigations in the field offices. That may have necessitated some resource allocation questions.

Then, by the time of (at least) the second renewal, Page had not only been spun well free of the Trump Administration, but the FBI investigation into everyone but Papadopoulos had already become public.

Because it was not its job, DOJ IG only reported on questions about whether getting a FISA on Page was the right investigative choice — both focusing on him more aggressively than the others, and obtaining a FISA on him.

Start with the former question. By the time CH decided to obtain a FISA order on Page, Papadopoulos had given answers to Stefan Halper that Republicans like to claim were exculpatory but were in fact correctly identified as a cover story and — I think but am awaiting response from the IG’s office — actually could be provably shown to be a lie in real time. Had CH obtained the call records on Papadopoulos at that point rather than a full content warrant on Page, they would have identified Papadopoulos’ ties with Joseph Mifsud, someone already suspected of being a Russian asset. Papadopoulos then laid out the outlines of his interactions with Mifsud in an October conversation with an informant. Had FBI focused on this more closely, they would have known before they interviewed Papadopoulos in January that he had these ties and was lying about them, which might have led FBI to obtain enough information about Mifsud in time to detain him rather than just interview him in early 2017.

The same could be said of Paul Manafort. Had CH focused on him, they might have obtained call records reflecting his ongoing communications with Konstantin Kilimnik, who (as a foreigner overseas) could be targeted under Section 702 and EO 12333. That might have revealed Manafort’s ongoing coordination in real time, which he continues to lie about.

Perhaps they did some of this, or perhaps they could have done it all. But it’s worth asking whether, because the prior concerns about Page meant they could get a FISA on him, they chose that path rather than other less intrusive but potentially more productive approaches.

Then there’s the question of whether ongoing FISAs on Page had merit. The Report suggests the FBI believed the first and, probably, the second order were really productive (the IG only reviewed those comms that were pertinent to its study, but based on that partial review, seemed more skeptical).

But by the later applications, the FBI was not keeping up with the incoming FISA materials, something we’ve seen in FISA collections in the past. There ought to be a rule: if you can’t keep up with incoming surveillance collection, it probably means it’s not important enough to justify the impact on an American.

Although there were no recent relevant FISA collections the team found useful, we were told that the FBI was still reviewing FISA collections identified prior to Renewal Application No. 2.

Finally, by the last collections, the FBI admitted that it was no longer getting anything from the FISA (in part, they believed, because Page knew he was being surveilled).

Case Agent 6 told us, and documents reflect, that despite the ongoing investigation, the team did not expect to renew the Carter Page FISA before Renewal Application No. 2’s authority expired on June 30.  Case Agent 6 said that the FISA collection the FBI had received during the second renewal period was not yielding any new information. The OGC Attorney told us that when the FBI was considering whether to seek further FISA authority following Renewal Application No. 2, the FISA was “starting to go dark.” During one of the March 2017 interviews, Page told Case Agent 1 and Case Agent 6 that he believed he was under surveillance and the agents did not believe continued surveillance would provide any relevant information.

There’s an exchange in the Report that leads me to suspect they kept targeting Page not because he remained interesting, but because there were new facilities they had IDed in April 2017 that would be easier to target using FISA than criminal process, including encrypted communications. First, they describe finding out that he used an encrypted app.

NYFO sought compulsory legal process in April 2017 for banking and financial records for Carter Page and his company, Global Energy Capital, as well as information relating to two encrypted online applications, one of which Page utilized on his cell phone.

Then, the report describes “previously unknown locations” they could target, which led them to seek a renewal.

SSA 5 and SSA 2 said that further investigation yielded previously unknown locations that they believed could provide information of investigative value, and they decided to seek another renewal.

There’s very good reason to believe that the FBI either has techniques (probably including hacking phones to get encrypted chat texts) that are easier to conduct using FISA, or techniques they’d like to hide by using FISA.

That’s a policy question that needs to be answered. If FBI is choosing to use FISA to hide techniques, it changes the import and use of the law. But it seems clear: by the time of the fourth if not the third order on Page, they really should have stopped for investigative reasons, but may not have because it’s too easy to avoid the risk of detasking against someone who might be a risk.

Whether Page would have been able to suppress these warrants

Finally, there’s the question of whether, had Carter Page been prosecuted using information obtained under these FISA warrants, he would have gotten any of the information thrown out. As bmaz has been screaming since this IG Report became public, the standard for suppression would require Page to argue that this affidavit didn’t meet the probable cause he was an agent of a foreign power, that the FBI Agents who submitted the application knew or should have known there was a problem with the claims they made in the affidavit, and — because this was a FISA order — he’d have to get a judge to allow him to review the affidavit where no prior defendant has been able to. 

And that’s assuming Page even got notice. Often, the FBI will build criminal cases without relying on information obtained under FISA at all. In such cases (as seems to be the case with Lev Parnas and his co-defendants), the government doesn’t have to notice their use of FISA, meaning the defendant never gets the opportunity to try to challenge the FISA warrant. Given how high profile this case is, FBI likely would have tried to avoid giving notice.

Had Page gotten notice, I feel safe in saying he would not have gotten to review his FISA application, because that never has happened, not even in cases with more obviously problematic affidavits

The IG Report carefully avoids saying whether the applications against Carter Page met the threshold of probable cause, either with or without the errors it lays out. Generally, if a magistrate has found probable cause, defendants have a tough time getting those warrants suppressed; and here, four different District Court judges had approved his applications. 

In Page’s case, the way to do this would be to show that stuff in the applications was knowingly false or omitted. In this hypothetical prosecution, Page should have gotten the detail that he was an approved contact with the CIA until 2013, evidence to support his claim that he hadn’t done two of the things in the dossier (interact with Paul Manafort and change the platform), and possibly some of the evidence undermining the Steele dossier (though sometimes the FBI can withhold stuff pertaining to informants). 

As for the first, with his efforts to sustain contact with Russia after CIA’s approved contact lapsed and his interactions with a second Russian intelligence officer CIA didn’t know about, it’s not clear that’d be enough to convince a judge that the prior approvals were improper. 

As to information proving the dossier wrong, because FBI took such a conservative investigative approach prior to the election, it took some time before the FBI discovered it. The FBI first appears to have gotten evidence that would prove Carter Page wasn’t involved in changing the platform in March 2017, though it appears DOJ’s NSD had better information at the time than FBI. Had FBI taken a more aggressive approach prior to Mueller taking over, they might have developed call records to support Carter Page’s claim that Manafort never returned his emails, but it’s not sure that’s enough. The IG Report doesn’t focus as much on the Manafort exculpatory evidence, perhaps because the FBI plausibly believed Page could have been working with Manafort indirectly, as George Papadopoulos had suggested to Stefan Halper. And, as the IG Report notes but minimizes, one reason the FBI didn’t take details undermining the Steele dossier that seriously is because they believed Steele’s Sub-Informant was withholding information from them, which (given the political firestorm at the time and the claims that the Sub-Source might be in danger are quite likely, even ignoring the possibility the Sub-Source had been involved in disinformation).

Then there’s the standard that would apply to both Fourth Amendment and Franks challenges: whether the FBI affiant on the application knew or should have known their claims were wrong.

In this case, a supervisory special agent who wasn’t closely involved in the investigation was the affiant on the first application. He wouldn’t have known, personally, of any problems with the application. He said he relied on the case agent’s Woods review (though said he routinely does review Woods files). So in that first case, the FBI’s policy of having more senior FBI agents sign FISA applications actually make it harder to challenge the warrant, because it would be harder to claim he knew the application was deficient. 

The affiant on the other three applications, called SS2 in the IG Report, was more closely involved in the case. The IG Report provides two specific examples where he swore to something that the IG Report presents as knowably untrue. The first pertains to claims Steele’s Sub-Source made about Millian. But the IG Report said specifically that, “the investigators believed at the time that the Primary Sub-source was holding something back about his/her interaction with [Millian],” which actually accords with what Steele said. Which is to say, the FBI had reason (which may actually have been justified) to believe that the Sub-Source’s comments did not need to be added to the application. 

The other thing SS2 might have known by the last application is Page’s past relationship with the CIA; indeed, he made an effort to nail that down for that application. But Kevin Clinesmith’s alteration of the email that thereby hid that Page had been an approved contact for the CIA specifically prevented SS2 from learning that information. So while Clinesmith can (and is in this case) be disciplined, that doesn’t change that the affiant specifically tried to clarify Page’s relationship with the CIA, but got bad information preventing him from being able to.

And it’s not just the two affiants (though they would be the ones at issue in a suppression motion of Franks hearing). The IG Report specifically says that the agents providing that information did not believe they were withholding relevant information.

In most instances, the agents and supervisors told us that they either did not know or recall why the information was not shared with OI, that the failure to do so may have been an oversight, that they did not recognize at the time the relevance of the information to the FISA application, or that they did not believe the missing information to be significant. 

The reality is it is usually enough, in criminal prosecutions, for FBI agents to attest to such belief in the case of suppression motions, and probably would be here too, even if Carter Page had succeeded in getting the first ever review of his FISA application.

Finally, there’s the standard for Franks challenges, the means by which, on very rare occasions, defendants argue that the law enforcement officers who obtained a warrant on them were so negligent or malicious in their application so as to merit the warrant and its fruit being thrown out.

Franks challenges require the defendant to prove that false statements in a warrant application are false, were knowing, intentional, or reckless false statements, and were necessary to the finding of probable cause (as this law review article explains at length).

Franks challenges involve heavy burdens for defendants to meet, even at the earliest stages. First, the defendant must make “a substantial preliminary showing that a false statement knowingly and intentionally, or with reckless disregard for the truth, was included by the affiant in the warrant affidavit.”79 A defendant’s claim will fail if it only alleges innocent or negligent misrepresentation;80 it will similarly fail if the court determines that the evidence fails to demonstrate falsity.81 At this stage, the defendant must also show that “the allegedly false statement is necessary to the finding of probable cause.”82 Many Franks challenges fail at this stage because the court determines that the allegedly false statement is not important enough to affect the probable cause analysis.83 If the defendant’s “preliminary showing” clears all three of these hurdles (falsity, intent, and materiality), then the defendant is entitled to a hearing on the allegations.84 At the evidentiary hearing, the defendant has to establish by a preponderance of the evidence the same three things; only then will the evidence be suppressed “to the same extent as if probable cause was lacking on the face of the affidavit.”85 Reviewing courts presume the affidavit’s validity and require the defendant to provide specific allegations and an offer of proof.86

As noted, the IG Report itself notes that the agents believed they had submitted what was necessary for the application, so Page could not show they were knowing falsehoods, meaning he’d have to prove that such a belief was reckless, which — particularly for the matter of relying on Steele — would be hard to do, given that he’s a more credible informant than most FISA informants. 

Moreover, aside from Page’s alleged involvement in the platform, it’s not even clear Page could prove that some of the key allegations were false. The FBI did obtain evidence — weak, RUMINT, but nevertheless evidence — that Page may have met with Igor Sechin, and the fact that he met with related people would make disproving those details difficult. Ultimately, the FBI suspected Page was not entirely truthful in his March 2017 interactions with them, and Mueller found that, “Page’s activities in Russia-as described in his emails with the Campaign-were not fully explained.” 

Finally, in addition to the Trump-related allegations about Page in his application, the FBI showed that Page willingly remained a recruitment target of known Russian intelligence officers, shared non-public information (possibly deemed trade secrets) with them, and enthusiastically considered an offer of an “open checkbook” to start a pro-Russian think tank. That’s not enough to prove he was an agent under 18 USC 951, but it probably reaches probable cause in any case. 

I’m not saying any of this is the way it should be — for FISA warrants or traditional criminal warrants. But that’s the way it is. It is virtually guaranteed that if Carter Page had been prosecuted, he would never have been able to challenge his FISA applications and even if he had, he likely would not have succeeded with either a Franks challenge or a Fourth Amendment suppression motion. That suggests that the way FISA works right now raises the bar well further than it already is for criminal defendants to ensure that the searches against them were proper in the first place. 

Update: Corrected post to indicate last contact between Page and CIA was in July 2011.

OTHER POSTS ON THE DOJ IG REPORT

Overview and ancillary posts

DOJ IG Report on Carter Page and Related Issues: Mega Summary Post

The DOJ IG Report on Carter Page: Policy Considerations

Timeline of Key Events in DOJ IG Carter Page Report

Crossfire Hurricane Glossary (by bmaz)

Facts appearing in the Carter Page FISA applications

Nunes Memo v Schiff Memo: Neither Were Entirely Right

Rosemary Collyer Responds to the DOJ IG Report in Fairly Blasé Fashion

Report shortcomings

The Inspector General Report on Carter Page Fails to Meet the Standard It Applies to the FBI

“Fact Witness:” How Rod Rosenstein Got DOJ IG To Land a Plane on Bruce Ohr

Eleven Days after Releasing Their Report, DOJ IG Clarified What Crimes FBI Investigated

Factual revelations in the report

Deza: Oleg Deripaska’s Double Game

The Damning Revelations about George Papadopoulos in a DOJ IG Report Claiming Exculpatory Evidence

A Biased FBI Agent Was Running an Informant on an Oppo-Research Predicated Investigation–into Hillary–in 2016

The Carter Page IG Report Debunks a Key [Impeachment-Related] Conspiracy about Paul Manafort

The Flynn Predication

Sam Clovis Responded to a Question about Russia Interfering in the Election by Raising Voter ID

 

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41 replies
  1. Mitch Neher says:

    Ms. Wheeler asked, “Was Page even the key person they should have been focusing on?”

    I have no clear way of seeing things from the FBI’s point of view. However, if Page knew that the FBI was investigating him, then I would have presumed that The Russians knew that the FBI was investigating Page. In the bad old days of Angleton’s wilderness of mirrors, the FBI also would have assumed that The Russians would have known that the FBI was investigating Page.

    I know that this answer was not helpful. In fact, it’s not even an answer to the question above. Sorry.

    • Mitch Neher says:

      Correction: In the bad old days of Angleton’s wilderness of mirrors, the CIA also would have assumed that The Russians would have known that the FBI was investigating Page.

      Apparently the CIA and the FBI are on speaking terms these days.

      • BobCon says:

        And in the old days the NSA would have known all the answers but wouldn’t tell anyone because they didn’t want to reveal anything about their capabilities. (That can still be true today.)

        • Mitch Neher says:

          And Carter Page would have known that better than most others.

          Here’s the thing that sticks in my craw–from Ms. Wheeler’s timeline of the DOJ IG report:

          March 2, 2016: FBI interviews Page in preparation for Victor Podonyy trial and learns he informed a Russian Minister and others at the UN he was identified in the indictment in “the spirit of openness”

          The Avatar of Glasnost, Carter Page, duly informing The Russians that he was the unnamed US person described in the indictment of Podonyy et al. and then telling the FBI that he had informed the Russians that he was the unnamed US person described in the indictment of Podonyy et al.

          It’s almost as though Carter Page was auditioning for the role of Red Herring in the Russian informational warfare campaign in the 2016 US election.

          From my own proven capacity as a lifelong dyed-in-the-wool doofus, I can assure you that no genuine, authentic doofus would ever dare dream of doing one tenth of the crazy things that Carter Page is known to have done.

          Carter Page is a Fake Doofus.

          • earlofhuntingdon says:

            I’m not convinced Page is a fake doofus. He has real academic and other qualifications, barring the intimidating and mysterious juice that allowed him to get his doctorate from London. But like Kris Kobach and others in the GOP, he is incompetent in ways that their ambition blinds them to.

            Papadopoulos, on the other hand, doesn’t even have that. He is a classic doofus, the kind that has no self-awareness that he is one.

  2. Richard Golding says:

    This op-ed was published recently in the Sun Sentinel. It makes a lot of sense to me:

    Pelosi’s Impeachment Strategy:

    The best thing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi can do once articles of impeachment are approved is to declare the current political year too hot for a fair trial. She, therefore, won’t move to present the case to the Senate until after the election.

    As justification, she can point to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s doctrine over Obama Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland. That will allow the Democrats to campaign on the kitchen table issues that won the House last year, not lock campaigning senators into D.C. for weeks into primary season, and throw McConnell for a loop when he can’t put on his carefully planned Trump-a-ganza.

    If the Democrats win in November, impeachment becomes moot. If not, they have another chance to remove Trump, depending on election results.

    My comments on this op-ed:

    In this way Nancy Pelosi can give McConnell a taste of what he dished-out when he did not allow a vote on Garland! At at the same time the Nation gains another 11 months to investigate Trump, find even more evidence of his wrong doing… and even get past the Supreme Court decision on releasing Trump’s Tax Returns expected in June of 2020. Let Trump stew. And maybe the Senate will have a Democratic majority after the election.

    My understanding is that there is no mandatory timeline that requires the House to forward the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.

    I welcome comments on this strategy… pro or con…

    Richard Golding
    [email protected]

    • skua says:

      My concern with a long delay in passing the articles is that it completely removes the current 4% possibility of Trump’s trial coming to a “remove” decision soon.

      The probability of something monumentally disasterous happening under Trump appears likely to increase over the next 13 months.

      Given the facile ineptitude of the QPQ with Zelensky, grounds for further impeachments likely abound. Saving the current one for later appears overly costly.

      • sproggit says:

        If only WordPress had a feature to allow us to vote on comments, you’d have a +1 mod up from me… “The probability of something monumentally disastrous” might have actually just reached 1.0 – we’re waiting to see what the consequences are.

        But you’re right… 13 months – to say nothing of 5 years – is altogether too long to carry this level of risk.

    • sproggit says:

      It’s a nice idea… but I’d worry that it would backfire. Imagine a scenario in the run-up to November: Trump is going to be screaming himself hoarse that “Crazy Nancy” rammed through an impeachment in the house, but, because she’s now concerned that it would fail in a senate trial, she is holding back, either because she doesn’t want to lose big right ahead of November, or because she is afraid that when she loses in November, she’ll use the trial to have “another crack” at removing Trump.

      Among the mistakes that I see Pelosi making is that she continues to conduct herself like a politician [which is actually entirely commendable] but when Trump is not playing by those rules. However morally justified she is – and, again, I can’t fault her] the facts stand:-

      1. Trump blocked all the most important witnesses from testifying in the House Impeachment inquiry – Pelosi and the House have been entirely unsuccessful to compel testimony…
      2. Trump refused to hand over documents demanded under subpoena – Pelosi and the House have been entirely unsuccessful in forcing release…
      3. Just to rub salt in to the wound… news publications have immediately gone to Court with FOIA requests and actually secured more information [most of it utterly damning] when the house failed to do so.

      When I say, “been entirely unsuccessful”, there is even at least one case of a witness going to court to ask if they should respond to a subpoena, only to have the House Committee withdraw the subpoena (largely, I think, on the grounds that the articles of impeachment had already received a vote and were going ahead).

      I see a couple of major problems here.

      Firstly – and this might be unfair – I think that the Democrats in the House have been largely unsuccessful in making their case at any point in this Presidency. Mueller found multiple instances of obstruction… We got, “Total Exoneration!”, perhaps because the Democratic caucus had no clear, coordinated and effective counter-message. Then we got to an impeachment hearing… We’re going to get a circus trial, because it’s highly unlikely that any Republican Senator is going to want to break ranks.

      Meanwhile – and this is the scary part that concerns me… Trump and McConnell have locked out the Supreme Court for a Generation; Trump has appointed more District and AC Judges than any other recent President; States across the Union are throwing voters off electoral rolls; other Republican States are gerrymandering what’s left of the electorate to favor their candidates.

      So yes, it would be nice if the Democratic House could do something useful with the articles of impeachment. But I worry that they are (and please forgive this metaphor – can’t think of a simpler one right now) taking a knife to a gun fight…

      • P J Evans says:

        Once the articles have been voted on by the House – they’re finished with them. The Senate has had lots of time to set up the trial structure (they certainly haven’t been doing any useful work), and they’ve been avoiding doing that, also, because Mitch has declared that his half is a kangaroo court that will vote against conviction, and will ignore all evidence and witnesses to the contrary.

        • bmaz says:

          The articles were voted out literally about 24 hours before both houses of Congress left for vacation. Nobody has had time to do much, none of them have been there.

          • P J Evans says:

            The Senate could have been working out the trial rules, though, instead of complaining about what the House is doing, before they recessed. They’ve been complaining about everything the House has done this last year, without themselves doing their jobs, and I think they should quit whining about everyone else.

            • bmaz says:

              They were home in fifty different states. So was the House. Both sides are just being disingenuous in trying to sell a load of manure on this one. We’ll see what happens now that they are back.

        • sproggit says:

          Bearing in mind that John Bolton has just said that he is willing to testify in the Senate trial, maybe Pelosi will request an opportunity to “depose the witness” in the House first. In a way Bolton has just painted himself in a corner: by publicly saying that he will appear in a Senate trial, he is basically snubbing the House investigation. Because the risk here [and I concede there is no way to read this either way] is that Bolton might be tempted to undermine key parts of the Democrat case – perhaps countering the testimony of his own subordinate? I just don’t know.

          I do think that the old adage applies: as a prosecutor, never put a witness on the stand unless you known in advance what they are going to say.

          • bmaz says:

            Lol, no. Bolton has been saying he would honor a proper subpoena for a long time. People keep falling for this shit.

            Bolton is selling books. He does not give a tinker’s damn about testifying, and he will likely never be deposed by the House pursuant to a Pelosi request. The House has been through this already and Bolton said he would do the same thing his boy Friday, Chuck Kupperman, did and get a court advisory opinion, which will never come.

            How many times are people going to fall for this nonsense???

            • sproggit says:

              Then he needs to be painted in a corner and if he refuses, charge him with Contempt of Congress. It is about time the Executive are reminded that they are not above the law.

            • Rugger9 says:

              That’s what I’m thinking as well, and normally I would say Bolton is smart enough to keep out of a witness chair under oath. However, we do have the note filed in Kupperman’s court case that the House may not be done with impeachment articles, and we still have what appears to be frantic efforts by the Palace to avoid any sort of attention on Ukraine. Bolton’s and Parnas’ notes turned over to Congress will ruin that. Bolton may not have the realistic option and I would submit that if Lev’s notes get into the press and court filings, the scale would tip over in any court outside of Neema Rao’s.

  3. BobCon says:

    The simple “nothing” answer that Barr wants is in keeping with his view of executive action in general as a judgement call by a president and his cronies. It’s not a statement of principle, just a point of view that would be reversed when convenient.

    Barr wants to avoid a debate on underlying conditions and a statement of principles that would determine when investigations are valid, because that would remove authority from political hacks into whether to close or open investigations. He doesn’t want rules, he wants authority.

    • Mitch Neher says:

      I wonder if, by “political hacks,” you might be alluding to Giuliani, Parnas, Fruman, Toensing, DiGenova and Nunes?

    • sproggit says:

      I think it’s valid and entirely telling when you write, “The … answer that Barr wants…” in that it is the AG himself who is apparently flying the world to conduct an investigation on behalf of the President.

      Line that up with the memo from the guy at OMB, writing to the Pentagon Comptroller, saying, in effect, “Please restrict the distribution of this email to strictly those who need to know in order to carry out the instruction…”

      The entire Presidency is being run off-the-books, under-the-table and in-the-dark. By a President who is about as effective as a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn’t there.

      But more seriously, every time we get a glimpse in to what is going on in this administration, what we find is the antithesis of transparency. Yet, curiously, none of this seems to make a Democratic talking point…

      • JamesJoyce says:

        “…what we find is the antithesis of transparency.”

        “…curiously, none of this seems to make a Democratic talking point.”

        Neither tribe wants Sunlight.
        Fields always get hot…

        The two factions need each other to point fingers at, distracting folks from real issues while the fighting co-dependents fight over the last bottle of whiskey and all the liquid courage produced from the empty bottle..

        Powers Drunks have no use for truth…

        Just the desire to “drink” power aid-drinks and sadly abuse people and the power….

  4. Oh no says:

    Yeehah for “Can’t You Hear Me Knockin'” reference! Santanaesque Stones par excellence, and one of the best intros ever! (A thread worthy subject all by itself.)

    Carter Page warrants jail just for his go-to-hell bucket hats! He’s a doofus just for that, on top of being a stone cold flake.

  5. bmaz says:

    Okay, will tag in with just a couple of things for now.

    First, there are two types of identifiable error in warrant affidavits for Franks v. Delaware challenge purposes. The first is what I call the error of commission, i.e. affirmatively inserting materially false information, and the second is error of omission, i.e. leaving out materially critical information. Courts are generally much more loathe to grant relief on omission claims than commission claims. This is important as to the caterwauling about Page having talked to the CIA (long ago as Marcy notes) claim. Sorry, that is so old, stale and meaningless as to be completely irrelevant for these purposes. Nobody would ever get dinged for that nonsense. It is not like the IC was running Page as a asset, this is just nonsense. But that is what uninformed howlers like Page, Nunes and Chuck Ross roll with.

    Secondly, when Marcy says “Franks challenges require the defendant to prove that false statements in a warrant application are false, were knowing, intentional, or reckless false statements, and were necessary to the finding of probable cause”, that is true. But it has to be established that the actual affiant knew that as opposed to some diffuse other government agent or person may have known. And the actual affiant gets every benefit in the world of “good faith” in this regard. Always. Darn near impossible to overcome. So, that isn’t going to work either for the reasons Marcy lays out.

    Third. It is infuriating that Horowitz did not address one lick of any of this. In 435 pages of his “report” Horowitz could not find just a few to address the actual standards he should have been reviewing under. Not once. Couldn’t ev en be bothered to mention it in passing. And it has not entered many, if at all, other post hoc discussions, either, short of at this blog. That is just laziness.

    Lastly, for now, I would suggest the law review article Marcy linked to above, specifically pps. 443-449. It is not the most complex dissertation of Franks v. Delaware law and review standards, but it is one easily understandable by the lay person, especially if you read the footnotes carefully too.

    I have been successful on a couple of Franks attacks in days gone by….out of a LOT attempted. Very few defense attorneys can claim even that. I cannot possibly tell you how difficult it is. But I can, without any reservation, tell you I think there is about little to no chance that the Page affidavits would not stand up with sufficient probable cause if subjected to such a review. Since Page would have never gotten there, it was derelict of Horowitz to have not done so.

  6. P J Evans says:

    bmaz, you have a sentence in the first paragraph that currently makes no sense:
    “Courts are generally much more loathe to grant relief on commission claims than commission claims.”
    I’m sure that one of those should be ‘omission claims’, but I don’t know which one.

  7. Matthew Harris says:

    This is a very good and technical post. I can’t understand every part of it, but I think I understand the overall picture and content. So this is what I take away from it.

    The Fourth Amendment notwithstanding, we all know that in the real world, the police have quite a bit of flexibility in who and what they search. After all, once a police officer notices a “broken taillight” and pulls you over, they can “detect the odor of marijuana” or use “their training and experience” to detect that you are “acting erratically”. And unless you have the money to hire a really good lawyer, and have the political and social standing to argue well to a court or to the media, gaps in the steps of due process often don’t matter. If you even make it to court, after all, the police can often “see you reaching for a weapon” and “feel their life is in danger” and shoot you.

    The point is, to me it looks like the gaps in due process that happened with Carter Page are probably the type of gaps that if you looked at every criminal investigation in the country, would show up. But Carter Page got a team from the Inspector General’s office going over every aspect of the investigation into him with a fine-tooth comb. As far as I know, William Barr has not decided to spend that much effort seeing if every FBI investigation into, say, EarthFIRST! was done with the same scrupulous attention to detail.

    William Barr was one of the people who argued for mass incarceration, and the war on drugs. William Barr never seems to have gotten too upset about, say, police forces pulling over black men because their cars were too fancy. If a small town sheriff used his “training and expertise” to decide that a black man in a good car must be a criminal, that was fine with William Barr. But because Carter Page didn’t actually take a bag of money from Russian intelligence in public, announcing “I sure do like being a spy for Russia”, the FBI was amiss in suspecting something was going on with him.

    So I guess my take-away from this is that in a world where law enforcement is often given carte blanche with how they treat the poor and minorities, the same people who have enthusiastically supported “being tough on crime” over the Fourth Amendment are now angrily complaining that the i’s weren’t dotted and t’s weren’t crossed on all the paperwork.

    As a civil libertarian, I want the process improved. But the pragmatist in me realizes that the context around this is that a group of people are mad because they don’t believe that there is a separate set of rules for them than for others.

    • bmaz says:

      “The point is, to me it looks like the gaps in due process that happened with Carter Page are probably the type of gaps that if you looked at every criminal investigation in the country, would show up.”

      Ugh, can you point out what “gaps in due process” Page was blighted by exactly what?

      Agreed it may happen to all putative defendant targets in the ex-parte surveillance warrant process, that is a fine point, and I think one that was made in both posts..

      But when it is within the law, let’s not engage in the conceit that it is necessarily a “lack of due process”. You might take a look at my following post to this one.

      • Matthew Harris says:

        If it makes it easier, you can edit my statement to say “Even if there were gaps in due process”

        My main point was that if we consider investigator antipathy to a subject of investigation to be somehow a lack of due process (either from a technical legal definition or from a more general definition), then almost every investigation has them. But that it never seems to have bothered William Barr when its not a friend of the president.

  8. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Responding to bmaz’s comment about Pompeo and Trump, they are not talking about a legitimate threat from Iran that was fully formed and likely to take place very soon – that is, imminently.

    They are talking about a through-the-looking-glass definition of “imminent” that sprouts from the BushCheney administration’s expansive use of the already oxymoronic “anticipatory self-defense.”

    Imminent is an “elastic comment” at best. But on the other side of the looking glass, it is water that conforms to the vessel of Cheney’s one-percent doctrine. To be imminent in this ironic sense, the threat need not be immediate or fully formed, it need only be possible.

    The purpose of that mishandling of imminent is to turn what would otherwise be illegal aggressive state action into legally justified self-defense. At least they hope so. But if I were Trump, Pompeo or Billy Barr, I would not be planning any post-administration foreign travel.

  9. earlofhuntingdon says:

    2020 and the soul of the Democratic Party, and what we need to do to recover from and move beyond the sycophancy, despair, and profit-taking that are the contemporary GOP’s stock-in-trade:

    “This whole primary,” she went on, referring to the one Biden and Bernie are in, “is going to be about the soul of the Democratic Party. I think it’s a referendum on whether we think everything was fine before Trump. People who live in a lot of privilege, who think of public programs as charity, they often think there was nothing wrong before Trump. They think Hillary was the problem. But it’s much deeper than that.”

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/aoc-first-year-in-washington.html

  10. orionATL says:

    something that keeps going thru my mind – did the other three of the 4 tenors get the same attention and concern about their fisa applications? after all, the ig’s report was entitled: “Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation”.

    was this merely because the other three pled to criminal charges, so no detailed investigation was deemed warranted?

    or were their fisa applications deemed “regular” and uncontroversial, each in its own detail?

    or did the carter application have unusual or controversial aspects such as prior cia contact or the steele campaign reporting that the other three did not have?

    or did the carter page fisa application draw special attention primarily because of republican pressure on the inspector general due to page having become an exhibit in the Republican counter tale regarding trump’s collusion with Russia in 2019?

    • bmaz says:

      Oh no, that is not four different people, there were four distinct warrants on Page. The presumptively initial one (though it is unclear if there was, or was not, an even earlier one in 2013/2014, which is why I attach the word presumptively) and three subsequent reauthorizations.

      I would like to make clear that there is no solid evidence as to the earlier 2013/2014 warrant, there are many reports of it, but never anything definitive. Think it very safe to say that Page had at least been on the radar for a very long time before the Trump campaign. And, again, how irrelevant any minor “talk” he had with the CIA in 2011 is.

  11. orionATL says:

    thank you bmaz. this solves a mystery (to me). ew kept referring to the ig investigation and report as “the carter page report”. that seemed strange; was it just because page was a key figure in the trump disinformation campaign and counter-attack on the mueller investigation and report?

    i had in mind that the ig report was an examination of crossfire hurricane in toto. well it was. BUT thanks to your comment, now i finally understand that it was also specifically an investigation into the fbi’s four fisa applications for surveillance of page only. that is what i missed entirely. that is why ew kept referring to the carter page review.

    it was only necessary to carefully read the first few paragraphs of the executive summary:

    “… were coordinating, wittingly or unwittingly, with the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the
    2016 U .S. presidential election . Our review included examining :

    • The decision to open Crossfire Hurricane and four
    individual cases on current and former members
    of the Trump campaign, George Papadopoulos,
    Carter Page, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn ;
    the early investigative steps taken; and whether
    the openings and early steps complied with
    Department and FBI policies;

    • The FBI’s relationship with Christopher Steele,
    whom the FBI considered to be a confidential
    human source (CHS) ; its receipt, use, and
    evaluation of election reports from Steele; and its
    decision to close Steele as an FBI CHS ;

    • Four FBI applications filed with the Foreign
    Intelligence Surveillance Court ( FISC) in 2016 and
    2017 to conduct Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
    Act ( FISA) surveillance targeting Carter Page; and
    whether these appl ications complied with
    Department and FBI policies and satisfied the
    government’s obligations to the FISC;

    • The interactions of Department attorney Bruce
    Ohr with Steele, the FBI, Glenn Simpson of Fusion
    GPS, and the State Department; whether work
    Ohr’s spouse performed for Fusion GPS implicated
    ethical rules applicable to Ohr; and Ohr’s
    interactions with Department attorneys regarding
    the Manafort criminal case; and

    • The FBI’s use of Undercover Employees ( UCEs)…”

    by the way, did any of the other three have a fisa application for surveillance on them forwarded to the court? manafort talked with kilimnik; flynn with the russian ambassador kisylyak; papadoupoulis with misfud amd a russian woman. i’d guess the answer is “no” for the reason ew has mentioned, to whit, the fbi was not at all eager to investigate the trump campaign and dawdled for months both before and after their july initiation of the investigation.

    and another curiosity – does the fbi do (have the technological capacity to do) its own surveillance of foreign individuals overseas, or does it rely on, e.g., the nsa?

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