Roger Stone’s Call for Donald Trump to Steal the Election Simply Continues His Efforts from 2016
As Media Matters reported the other day, on an InfoWars appearance the other day, the President’s rat-fucker, Roger Stone, called for Donald Trump to seize ballots in Democratic parts of Nevada claiming voter fraud, send federal forces to disrupt the election, and invoke the Insurrection act to start arresting his opponents.
During his September 10 appearance on The Alex Jones Show, Stone declared that the only legitimate outcome to the 2020 election would be a Trump victory. He made this assertion on the basis of his entirely unfounded claim that early voting has been marred by widespread voter fraud.
Stone argued that “the ballots in Nevada on election night should be seized by federal marshalls and taken from the state” because “they are completely corrupted” and falsely said that “we can prove voter fraud in the absentees right now.” He specifically called for Trump to have absentee ballots seized in Clark County, Nevada, an area that leans Democratic. Stone went on to claim that “the votes from Nevada should not be counted; they are already flooded with illegals” and baselessly suggested that former Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) should be arrested and that Trump should consider nationalizing Nevada’s state police force.
Beyond Nevada, Stone recommended that Trump consider several actions to retain his power. Stone recommended that Trump appoint former Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) as a special counsel “with the specific task of forming an Election Day operation using the FBI, federal marshals, and Republican state officials across the country to be prepared to file legal objections and if necessary to physically stand in the way of criminal activity.”
Stone also urged Trump to consider declaring “martial law” or invoking the Insurrection Act and then using his powers to arrest Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Apple CEO Tim Cook, “the Clintons” and “anybody else who can be proven to be involved in illegal activity.”
While MMFA notes that Stone was instrumental in setting up the Brooks Brothers riot in 2000, it doesn’t note how Stone’s calls simply continue his efforts from 2016.
Roger Stone spent significant time in 2016 — particularly in the first half of August, the same period when he appears to have gotten advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ upcoming leaks — predicting the election would be rigged against Donald Trump.
Closer to the election, Stone’s efforts to use “exit pollers” (which, this year, he wants to federalize) to suppress minority voters mirrored efforts made by Guccifer 2.0 (and, we’ve since learned, Maria Butina and Sergei Kislyak).
Stone’s voter suppression effort is not surprising. It’s the kind of thing the rat-fucker has been doing his entire life.
Except it’s of particular interest in 2016 because of the specific form it took. That’s because two aspects of Stone’s voter suppression efforts paralleled Russian efforts. For example, even as Stone was recruiting thousands of “exit pollers” to intimidate people of color, Guccifer 2.0 was promising to register as an election observer, in part because of the “holes and vulnerabilities” in the software of the machines.
INFO FROM INSIDE THE FEC: THE DEMOCRATS MAY RIG THE ELECTIONS
I’d like to warn you that the Democrats may rig the elections on November 8. This may be possible because of the software installed in the FEC networks by the large IT companies.
As I’ve already said, their software is of poor quality, with many holes and vulnerabilities.
I have registered in the FEC electronic system as an independent election observer; so I will monitor that the elections are held honestly.
I also call on other hackers to join me, monitor the elections from inside and inform the U.S. society about the facts of electoral fraud.
More interesting still, the GRU indictment makes it clear that GRU’s information operation hackers were probing county electoral websites in swing states as late as October 28.
In or around October 2016, KOVALEV and his co-conspirators further targeted state and county offices responsible for administering the 2016 U.S. elections. For example, on or about October 28, 2016, KOVALEV and his co-conspirators visited the websites of certain counties in Georgia, Iowa, and Florida to identify vulnerabilities.
Whether or not GRU ever intended to alter the vote, Russia’s propagandists were providing the digital “proof” that Republicans might point to to sustain their claims that Democrats had rigged the election.
That is, it’s not just that Roger Stone did what Roger Stone always does, cheat, in really cynical ways.
It’s also that Stone’s efforts closely paralleled those of Russian intelligence operatives, as they worked hard to get Trump elected.
And that curious parallel raises the stakes for Stone on this election.
That’s because, as of April, there were court filings targeting Roger Stone that invoked conspiracy and Foreign Agent charges that remained substantially redacted, presumably because the investigation was ongoing. The most recent BuzzFeed FOIA release (which leaves unredacted or redacts under privacy claims materials that in past releases were redacted for ongoing investigations) seems to reflect that any ongoing investigation has been finished or killed by Billy Barr. That’s not surprising, given that Barr’s intervention in Stone’s sentencing led the four prosecutors who had been working the case to resign. But it also means that if Trump is replaced by someone unwilling to save him from prison time, lapsed investigations (with statutes of limitation that extend at least until 2021) might become active again.
Roger Stone has already shown a willingness to sell out this country to get his friend Donald Trump elected. And since 2016, he has grown closer to sanctioned white supremacist groups sowing violence. Now, his freedom likely depends on finding a way to help Trump eke out another win. And Roger the rat-fucker has been training to thwart democracy his entire adult life.
Peter Strozk, in an interview on the Rachel Maddow show, indicated that the Russians “pulled their punches” in 2016. He did not specify what exactly it was that they held back doing, but I would guess that it relates to activity on swing county voting systems. Probably hard to change actual votes, but voter registration rolls can be attacked. I hope that election officials are asking for help in protecting and monitoring their systems.
I heard Mr. Strozk on Deadline White House say that the Russians may not have been able to actually hack into voter rolls or systems in 2016 but we can be assured that they have been working on that since then. Ominously, when Nicole Wallace pushed him for more specifics, he retreated to his inability to share classified information. In addition, Wallace noted that Susan Rice stated at a recent WaPo event, “We need to be worried not only about Russian disinformation — its activity on social media which is constant, aimed at misleading and dividing and instilling fear and hatred between and among Americans — but we need to be concerned also about what efforts it might make again to infiltrate our voting systems, and corrupt either our voting rolls or even potentially the voting count itself,” Rice said. If they have developed that capability, it would make sense why Trump wants to limit mail-in voting.
Because Trump had been rumbling about not excepting the results of the 2016 election I had a slight suspicion that Russia could have hacked and deliberately left a trail to give Trump fodder should he decide to play the outraged loser.
Now I am worried that the bad guys and gals may try to up that game, by doing crazy things like setting up postal workers to appear crooked, or submitting easy to catch fake, forged, or fucking DUPLICATE ballots.
We have seen it too many times to count, all the Trump team needs is something important looking to wave around while they weave yet another conspiracy story to thier embarrassingly gullible marks.
I’m not sure at this point how many lawsuits that the Trump party has pending against state election policies but I think that this judge may be pointing to something that could also be part of a chaos plan by observing that that there seems to be no sense of urgency to resolve their suit against NJ on a timely basis.
Thanks for this. Roger Stone’s comments are front-page news. They should be, but not for the reasons he wants: to rally the troops and prepare for armageddon. It’s because Roger is advocating for a coup.
Roger Ratfucker is dancing with the “seditious and provably illegal” acts he claims the Daily Beast is guilty of. Projection has long been the screwdriver in his political toolbox. His rhetoric will become more inflamed as each day passes. Even after the election, he’ll ramp it up, to delegitimize Trump’s loss or to provide cover for the retribution that will follow his claims of victory.
Stone and Trump, for example, are labeling acts not yet committed – or likely to be – as “insurrection.” And they talk about them as if they have already taken place. That looks like priming the pump. Being a coward, Trump can back down at any time and pretend he advocated no such thing, leaving his armed and violent supporters to twist in the wind.
Trump has also labeled the killing of the Portland shooting suspect – Michael Reinoehl – by deputized US Marshals – as “retribution.” That would seem to violate rather than protect and defend the Constitution, including its first ten amendments. Witness accounts describe the killing as more of a hit: US Marshals were not in uniform, did not announce themselves, and immediately began shooting at someone who was apparently unarmed and posing no immediate threat.
Trump has long hungered for the power to commit that sort of payback. He’s claiming it now, by threatening – really, asking for – a “backlash” of armed supporters to keep him in power. Typically for Trump, only his supporters would be at risk.
“Roger Stone has already shown a willingness to sell out this country…”
Indeed. He will strike again!
Thought it was funny that they were complaining about felon voting in Florida, seeing how Trumps former inner circle is filled with them.
“Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.”
the man has gone full fruitcake
Calling on the president to arrest people who haven’t been charged should be illegal. (Pre-crime threatening people with arrest should be illegal, in itself.)
Thank you for putting this together, Marcy.
And yes…it is: RATFUCKER REDUX
Seconded, thank you.
Stone almost seems to be publicly calling out Trump, rousing him not to show the white feather and exhorting him not shrink from taking desperate measures to retain the Presidency by foul means or fair.
Macbeth (Trump): If we should fail?
Lady Macbeth (Stone): We fail?
But screw your courage to the sticking place
And we’ll not fail. When Duncan [Sleepy Joe] is asleep … etc. and so forth
This may be more resonant for my generation than those subsequent, but the parallel was also pursued in 1968, in Macbird!.
MacBird was a classic.
I’d like to see Jeanine Pirro, Laura Ingraham, and Kimberly Guilfoyle cast in the roles of the Three Weird (Wired?) Sisters.
Wow! I had to do a deeper dive into Macbird. What really interested me was the original NY cast: William Devane as Robert. I know he had a ginormous body of work, but I mostly remember him for playing that generation of Kennedys in several movies and in TV.
Wow–what a walk down memory lane!! A college roomie (we were at Pratt Institute) and her parents took us to “MacBird” right after it opened at the Village Gate. Keep in mind that JFK had been murdered a little over 3 years prior, and the antiwar sentiment about Vietnam was just coming out into the open. I can still picture Keach and, especially, Devane in their Shakespearean garb.
From deep in the hidden bowels under our country’s precious White House
We hear the crescendoing, cackling, chanting
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
Apparently Mr. Trump is coming to California after finishing up his weekend efforts to terrify the people of Nevada and Arizona. Whether he’s only coming to California to chastise the state government for not “sweeping the forest floors” (apparently including in the majority of the state’s forested areas which are managed by the federal government), or whether he is also intending to reiterate his recent and ever-so-criminal instruction to his devotees to “vote twice” to see if their second vote might slip through and be counted for him too, here’s hoping there are California legal officers prepared to enforce the following California statutes which define such conduct as a felony:
ARTICLE 4. Corruption of Voting [18560 – 18578] ( Article 4 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
18560. Every person is guilty of a crime punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 of the Penal Code for 16 months or two or three years, or in a county jail not exceeding one year, who:
(a) Not being entitled to vote at an election, fraudulently votes or fraudulently attempts to vote at that election.
(b) Being entitled to vote at an election, votes more than once, attempts to vote more than once, or knowingly hands in two or more ballots folded together at that election.
(c) Impersonates or attempts to impersonate a voter at an election.
(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 15, Sec. 80. (AB 109) Effective April 4, 2011. Operative October 1, 2011, by Sec. 636 of Ch. 15, as amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 39, Sec. 68.)
18561. Every person is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 of the Penal Code for 16 months or two or three years who:
(a) Procures, assists, counsels, or advises another to give or offer his vote at any election, knowing that the person is not qualified to vote.
(b) Aids or abets in the commission of any of the offenses mentioned in Section 18560.
(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 15, Sec. 81. (AB 109) Effective April 4, 2011. Operative October 1, 2011, by Sec. 636 of Ch. 15, as amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 39, Sec. 68.)
I wonder if the California code has a slight advantage over the North Carolina code, which includes “with intent to commit a fraud”:
“Chapter 163. Elections and Election Laws. § 163-275.
“Certain acts declared felonies.
“Any person who shall, in connection with any primary, general or special election held in this State, do any of the acts or things declared in this section to be unlawful, shall be guilty of a Class I felony. It shall be unlawful:
(7) For any person with intent to commit a fraud to register or vote at more than one precinct or more than one time, or to induce another to do so, in the same primary or election, or to vote illegally at any primary or election.”
At the risk of digressing, is there any point to this statute specifying ballots “folded together”? It seems you could cover all three cases in 18560(b) with “…attempts to vote more than once”.
I often find lists in ordinance where one item encompasses the others. For instance, I would assume that if you outlaw “attempts to vote more than once”, you don’t have to list “[actually] votes more than once”. Where I live, we outlaw marijuana usage in a list of public places, ending with “…or any public place”. The language was provided by the police chief, and the local council was afraid to change it.
I have long suspected that Trump’s urgency to get Stone out of prison compared to people like Manafort and Cohen had as much, if not more, to do with Trump wanting Stone to work for him right now.
I don’t think Stone would have provided much if any useful evidence against Trump even if he had been sent to prison. I think he would have been more like G. Gordon Liddy.
But I think Trump felt it was absolutely critical to get Stone out of a situation where he could be easily surveilled and his contacts limited. I think Trump wanted Stone working the phones and conveying Trump’s wishes to the worst people out there, and he wanted Stone on the ground and prepped for a magnified redux of Florida in November 2000.
If anybody “wants” to surveil Stone, it would be pretty easy. Not sure anybody does right now.
I guess there is the question of whether Stone is being investigated himself, and I think you are right to doubt whether DOJ has anything going on.
But isn’t there also the question of who is talking to him? It seems like there are higher odds that some of the dirtbags he talks to are under investigation. If they call him for money or to talk about an intimidation campaign, doesn’t that put him at risk?
Also, isn’t encryption something that’s not available in prison? And is logging as likely outside of prison as in?
I am far from sure what the rights and authority are here, but it seems like there are a lot of reasons why Stone might have been worried about trying to run a dirty tricks campaign while in prison.
From the link ew provided to the Graphika Stone Takedowns (p.8 of 44):
“Overall, 24 accounts stated a geographical location. Of these, 18 named locations in Florida…”
I see one of those 18 locations is Port St. Lucie, FL. That also happens to be in one of the two counties Woodward mentioned in his new book, “Rage,” where there is evidence of Russia’s election meddling.
“St. Lucie County, Florida – Wikipedia”
“According to St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections website, registered voters as of October 1, 2012 totaled 173,304: Democratic 74,281, Republican 55,755, NPA 36,517, Other 6,751. St. Lucie County has favored the Democratic Party in recent decades, but in 2016, it voted for Republican Party candidate Donald Trump.”
“Woodward reports new details on Russia’s election meddling, writing that the NSA and CIA have classified evidence the Russians had placed malware in the election registration systems of at least two Florida counties, St. Lucie and Washington. While there was no evidence the malware had been activated, Woodward writes, it was sophisticated and could erase voters in specific districts. The voting system vendor used by Florida was also used in states across the country.”
Aren’t Stone and Jones promoting sedition with this?
Most or all of this is protected speech. So far, they’ve been careful to couch what they say as “if, then” statements. But that’s not the sort of nuance Trump or Stone will respect for long, especially not if the polls worsen for Trump.
They should. The economy will go further into recession, owing to Trump’s refusal to deal with Covid and Moscow Mitch’s refusal to bargain with Pelosi about economic support for average Americans. And Covid’s toll increases by nearly fifty people every hour.
This may be an obvious point not worth mentioning, but it would seem that whatever information Roger Stone has to hold over Donald Trump, it no longer has any usefulness, at least to Stone. Trump wants to remain President and Stone wants Trump to remain President. If Stone were to release any damaging information on Trump, it would only serve to further damage Trump’s chances of re-election, thus hoisting Stone on his own petard.
I believe that this exemplifies Roger Stone’s handiwork in this election cycle:
‘This is f—ing crazy’: Florida Latinos swamped by wild conspiracy theories
A flood of disinformation and deceptive claims is damaging Joe Biden in the nation’s biggest swing state.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/florida-latinos-disinformation-413923 09/14/2020 04:30 AM
Roger realizes Trump HAS to do better in Florida so he orchestrates this messaging and tells Trump what he needs to say at his rallies:
11:07 PM · Sep 13, 2020
The “DEEP STATE” [QANON] messaging is being pushed:
Here’s some stuff I put together about this the other day:
I am SO AFRAID this is going to turn out extremely badly.
1] SEPTEMBER 10, 2020
How Conspiracy Theories Are Shaping the 2020 Election—and Shaking the Foundation of American Democracy
Charlotte Alter, Kenosha, Wis.
2] 11:38 PM · Sep 12, 2020 [Trump rally]
Marcy highlights the word “rigged” in the 2016 Stone tweets. The same language is a permanent fixture in Trump’s messaging in 2020.
11:11 PM · Sep 12, 2020
From the Politico article:
Here’s the announcement:
Miami Herald pulls Spanish-language LIBRE as weekly supplement, launches investigation
SEPTEMBER 14, 2020 05:34 PM
“Justice Department internal watchdog is investigating Roger Stone’s sentencing, say sources” – Sept. 14, 2020, Julia Ainsley and Ken Dilanian
“Prosecutor Aaron Zelinsky told Congress the U.S. Attorney’s office in D.C. told him to recommend a lighter sentence because of Stone’s ties to Trump.”
“Zelinsky, who prosecuted the Stone case as part of his work with special counsel Robert Mueller, He said the U.S. Attorney, Timothy Shea was “receiving heavy pressure from the highest levels of the Department of Justice to cut Stone a break, and that the U.S. Attorney’s sentencing instructions to us were based on political considerations.”
A spokesperson for the Drug Enforcement Administration, which Shea now runs, declined to comment.”
“The Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility began an inquiry into what transpired around the time of Stone’s sentencing, including whether there were leaks to the media, according to two sources familiar with the matter. But the recent involvement of the department’s inspector general carries additional weight because the inspector general is independent, required to report to Congress and must publicly post findings of misconduct. If warranted, the inspector general can refer a case to a U.S. Attorney’s Office for prosecution.”
They may also look into the push to get Flynn off.