2020 Vice Presidential Debate: In the Land of the Shoshone

This post is dedicated to discussion of the Vice Presidential debate between current VP Mike Pence and Democratic VP candidate Senator Kamala Harris.

The debate is scheduled to begin at 9:00 PM ET and will take place in the Nancy Peery Marriott Auditorium at the University of Utah’s Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City, Utah.

University of Utah’s efforts to prevent the dispersion of the candidates’ aerosolized exhalations — particularly those of Pence who has been in contact with infected persons within the last week — are absolutely laughable, evident in this photo of the stage (via NBC):

Harris had asked for a plexiglass partition between the candidates which the Commission on Presidential Debates approved though not without complaint by Team Pence. What the Commission furnished is a joke, clearing the candidates’ heads by no more than 18″.

Check-out clerks at major grocery store chains and banks have more protection than this.

I’m crossing my fingers that Harris’s people have reached out to SC Senate candidate Jaime Harrison to see if they could borrow the folding plexiglass screen he used when debating Lindsey Graham.

Or found a mask with a built-in mic (why hasn’t this become a thing?) so that she has more protection but is still audible.

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Like the three Presidential debates, this event is booked in a red state venue. None of the events organized by the allegedly nonpartisan, nonprofit Commission on Presidential Debates is scheduled for a blue state.

Partisan bias could well explain the casual attitude toward infection control.

Utah’s state nickname is the Gateway to the West, but Native Americans know this is land taken from Ute, Paiute, and Shoshone tribes. Though some of the state falls under sketchy treaties, Salt Lake City itself is unceded land of the Northwestern Shoshone. Let’s hope this is recognized at some point during the evening.

USA Today’s Susan Page is the scheduled moderator, who has a conflict of interest:

… A potential conflict of interest has arisen in the vice-presidential debate. In late 2018, moderator Susan Page hosted a party in honor of Mike Pence’s protégé Seema Verma, who runs the Medicare and Medicaid programs for the Trump administration. As New York’s Ed Kilgore notes, the controversy centers on “whether a working journalist at Page’s level who has been hobnobbing with Mike Pence’s best-known associate in the Trump administration ought to be moderating his debate with Kamala Harris.” …

And in spite of the hubbub which arose when this conflict of interest was identified, Page and USA Today have refused to do anything about it — apparently there are no other journalists at USA Today covering the presidential race who are free of conflicts…? Or COVID-negative?

Sure hope it comes up in the debate that Mike Pence has had to return to DC when Air Force 2 was turned around mid-flight on its way to or from New Hampshire not once but twice in the last 18 months.

Has any journalist confirmed it was Air Force 2 hitting a bird which caused Pence to turn around on September 22 and not something else? Or did they leave it to Pence’s communications people to explain this?

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Add these two dates to your calendar for the remaining two presidential debates — if Trump is healthy enough to participate:

Thursday 15-OCT-2020
9:00–10:30 p.m. ET
Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts
Miami, Florida
Moderator: Steve Scully, C-SPAN

Thursday 22-OCT-2020
8:00–9:30 p.m. ET
Curb Event Center at Belmont University
Nashville, Tennessee
Moderator: Kristen Welker, NBC

I’m not holding my breath for these.

117 replies
  1. P J Evans says:

    The self-check machines at my grocery store have at least that much protection – and everyone is wearing a mask (no guarantees they’re wearing it correctly, but at least they’re trying).

  2. Eureka says:

    Everything about that plexiglass (and the rest of the set) looks like some SNL joke. Besides the height, I am bothered by the rounded edges — which just minimize the protection (or ‘protection’) some more.

    So bothered by this, that they are going minimalist with what’s at stake and given current pestilence loci.

    Glasses or goggles are going to become must-wears, too.

    Adding: realized why that plexi set up is so bothersome, besides: reminds me of those z-shields they advertise that flip up to the face: nice idea, but you can just see the aerosols floating right down into people’s faces from their low-rise, curved edges.

    • BobCon says:

      The debate commission screwed this up, and I am dubious that they will do any better when Trump inevitably plays hardball over the next week fighting any safety measures, even if he knows he won’t be able to show up.

      They are a classic case of an institution that is so incapable of taking a stand in the name of maintaining its credibility that it is destroying all of its credibility. I am guessing that the GOP side of the commission is playing the usual GOP games, and it’s time for the rest of the commission to face facts — they’re toast if they play along, so they may as well do the right thing.

      • Eureka says:

        If ever there was a time that push has come to shove, that time is now — the rest of the commission might recognize that sensibility here has great traction with the public (to whom the don’t answer, sure, though they give cues like public perception does matter to them). There’s no way such an event should take place with Trump and Biden in the same room.

        I think you’re lean is correct, though, and that this will come down to Trump getting his “win” via lack of appropriate “concessions” (since that’s what public health-natsec measures have become now) even though he won’t show.

        I suppose it’s possible he could show, bolstered by an “atypical” course of his dex or some other pharmassistance. True, he is a sick man and the COVID often rings twice, but he’s also defied expectations before. It’s just unclear how much anyone has the power to help him out of this jam. We’ll get some answer if we ever see him (able to) speak, at length, in public, in the coming days.

      • d4v1d says:

        I think Biden is more likely to refuse to lose (his life) to a rampaging lunatic who could kill Biden by coughing in his direction. As a matter of national security, protecting Biden needs to be a priority over the nonsense of these steel cage melées.

  3. Eureka says:

    Also, lol that Mayo Pete played the Pence smooth-operator role in debate prep: actually perfect.

    905p: I should not be playing this game, Page is already grating to the bone.

      • Eureka says:

        Guess I’ve got SNL on the brain, but it’s easy to see Eddie Murphy doing a Mr. Robinson’s Neighborhood skit:

        *thwacks pointer* This is structural racism, kids.
        *thwack, thwack* Or is it … institutional sexism. [OK, Eddie Murphy wouldn’t deliver that line]
        Why not both?

  4. pdaly says:

    I would have preferred a Trumpian Wall of Plexiglas for this debate stage.

    Is it just the play of lights, or does Pence have redness of the lateral sclera of his left eye? Subconjunctival hemorrhage (benign) or viral conjunctivitis?

    • Eureka says:

      That’s funny, I was looking at his right lateral eye as worse, but think you may be correct that it could be lighting: when he erects his head, it seems to go away. Comes back when he leans (to the right).

      • pdaly says:

        Definitely something there in the left eye, especially noticeable when he looks right towards Kamala Harris

        • Eureka says:

          Yeah the left one sticks (remains red that way). [During one of his lies he nearly rolled that eyeball (in particular) up into his head. Like lots of habitual liars planning their lies, he rotates them oddly and with his left one, if’s also rotated laterally so it’s less often you get to see that sclera — iris is way to the outside when he looks forward.]

          Wait, what is that flake of black-gray stuff on his right hair, is that some *stuff floating around the debate stage*?

          1020p: now that flake of stuff is gone. There IS stuff floating around. I was looking away to type and I missed its fate.

          Did anyone see the flake of stuff?

          I see below now that klynn 1019p reports that it was a fly. LOL

    • P J Evans says:

      Looks like both eyes, in the best view I saw.
      I wonder what *his* test results look like, assuming he really gets tested.

      • Eureka says:

        I wasn’t able to find a still, but when they replayed the moment the fly landed on him, it showed one of the times when you can see the red (also affected-looking) outer right eye, with his head tilted down to the right side, that ‘vanishes’ when he straightens up.

        Good grief, doesn’t look good.

        Seriously, for all the instances he sat there and bald-faced lied, why wouldn’t he (they) lie about personal testing (AGAIN).

        • Eureka says:

          Me, too: can you imagine how mortified they must have been at the very sight…

          [Keep thinking of that Richard Hasen blog Rayne has frequently posted re the uncertainty (and GOP opportunism) that would ensue should a candidate perish. Besides, of course, of the candidates’ welfare]

    • Nehoa says:

      Heard Rick Gates explain why on Skullduggery podcast from yesterday. He wanted someone who was different from Trump and brought a constituency. Trump was thinking Chris Christie or Newt Gingrich. Manafort pointed out that they were similar to Trump, and would try to have their own presidency within a presidency if VP. Trump thought better of Pence in thinking about that.

      • BobCon says:

        He also didn’t have a lot of choices.

        Chris Christie and Sessions were other options, but Christie had little sway with the Christian authoritarian movement and Sessions had more baggage. Also Indiana was more useful than Alabama as a base.

        • Geoguy says:

          Jared Kushner might have nixed Christie as well. This from Wikipedia about Jared’s father, Charles: “In 2005, following an investigation by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of New Jersey,[12] U.S. Attorney Chris Christie negotiated a plea agreement with him, under which he pleaded guilty to 18 counts of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering.” I think Charles went to jail for a couple of years.

  5. Rugger9 says:

    Pence is talking over Harris and routinely blows through the time limits to spew preferred talking points. Somewhat nicer than DJT but the same tactical plan.

    OT, but in my neighborhood, we have not had mail delivery for three days now, which just happened to coincide with the ballot mailing of 05 OCT 2020. I’ve already notified my rep (Khanna) about this, as well as the USPS and our local muckraking Metro newspaper. Is anyone else seeing this?

    • Tracy Lynn says:

      Oh, no. That doesn’t bode well, since it sounds like we’re in the same general neck of the woods. We’ve been getting our mail, but I’ll not be breathing easily until I turn my ballot around.

    • P J Evans says:

      First ballots showed up in my area of L.A. on Saturday – I picked mine up at the mailbox place yesterday.

    • Molly Pitcher says:

      Got our ballots on Saturday, we voted today and I dropped them in the drive-up vote box in San Mateo, just off hwy 92.

      I just saw someone refer to mansplaining as ‘correctile dysfunction’.

    • blueedredcounty says:

      I’m down in San Diego. My ballot arrived on Monday, and the voter information booklets arrived Tuesday. Not sure what’s going on in your district, it doesn’t sound good. I hope there’s not mass-illness or worse.

  6. A fly on the wall says:

    Loved the fly on Pence’s hair.

    [Haha, it was fun while it lasted, but go back to your original username, Terrence. /~Rayne]

  7. RMD says:

    Pence underscored Trump’s plan to contest the ballots, challenge the vote, and bring whatever result comes in before the Supreme Court.

    This is something that continues to be pushed aside in favor of other issues…but I cannot escape the impression that many seem to expect or hope that “Trump won’t do that”.
    They’re wrong. It is his plan.

    flies are attracted to poop.

    • RMD says:

      Pence claimed he and Trump “are fighting every day in courthouses to prevent Joe Biden and Kamala Harris from changing the rules and creating this universal mail-in voting that will create massive opportunities for voter fraud.”

      It is true that Trump and the Republican party are waging a legal campaign against mail-in voting, […] But the lawsuits have nothing to do with fraud: Instead, they are aimed at making it harder for registered voters to cast mail-in ballots by exploiting technicalities that could prevent legitimate ballots from being counted.

      The Republican strategy is simple. Fear-mongering about voter fraud is a form of voter intimidation and could discourage those who are worried about inadvertently breaking the law from voting. It also lays the groundwork for Trump to falsely declare himself the winner on Nov. 3 and move to halt the counting of mail-in ballots, which are likely to favor Biden. With millions of people voting by mail, the actual result of the presidential election will likely take weeks to determine.

      Emblematic of Trump’s vow to send law enforcement, ICE, attorneys and other authorities to have a ‘show of force’ and intimidate presumed illegals and others from voting, many in Massachusetts were taken aback by the strident presence of ICE agents, in broad daylight, interdicting innocent passersby.
      Yesterday, in West Roxbury, MA, two unmarked SUVs stopped and 6-8 agents jumped out to interrogate a black man jogging on a thoroughfare in West Roxbury. The jogger had the presence of mind to record it on his phone. The Mayor of Boston and the ACLU went public with complaints.
      This is in a blue state.
      No word from the ‘moderate® Republican governor.

      • gmoke says:

        Our ‘moderate®’ Republican governor is too busy huffing fugitive methane from the Weymouth compressor site with his hands tied behind his back to comment. No time for even a “You might very well think that – I couldn’t possibly comment.”

        • RMD says:

          my town is reviewing the compressor proposals while Trump has the country in an illegal chokehold.

          I can’t breathe.

  8. Nehoa says:

    Don’t think tonight will move the needle for this election. Good audition for Presidential run later for each of them though.

    • viget says:

      This is very worrisome, especially because it wasn’t just conjunctivitis, it was also redness around the eyelids themselves. This specific symptom (eyelid redness, like a patient had red eyeliner on) was seen in the sickest nursing home patients with COVID-19, during the early outbreak reports in Seattle and elsewhere. Many of those patients crumped shortly thereafter and died. It has otherwise been rarely seen. To be fair, though, these specific symptoms were all described by nursing home personnel, and are not specifically mentioned in the published literature other than noting mild conjunctivitis.

      Nonetheless, I picked up on it immediately having read those anecdotal accounts early on. At first, I thought I was crazy, but I see that many others noticed it too. That’s not what typical conjunctivitis looks like, I’m pretty sure he’s got COVID.

    • Chris.EL says:

      Jake Tapper’s Twitter has some really interesting observations by folks; here’s a good one:

      “Buckle Up
      Not only was PENCE at the Gold Star Family event and the super-spreader Amy Coney Barret event in the Rose Garden, PENCE was also at the National Mall with thousands of people for a prayer march hours before the SCOTUS event.

      UNMASKED at all 3 events.”

      • harpie says:

        1:34 PM · Oct 5, 2020

        NEWS: @NYMag has confirmed that Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California has tested POSITIVE for COVID-19.

        Pastor Laurie was at the Prayer March on the Mall [Saturday, September 26] with Mike Pence and Franklin Graham and the ACB Rose Garden Federalist Society ACB event later that day. […]

  9. Molly Pitcher says:

    The Biden Victory Fund is promoting a blue fly swatter with “Truth over flies” written on the handle for $10 on Instagram.

  10. Brett D MacIsaac says:

    Glad 2 C the flyswatters are selling. Just know that schadenfreude is frowned upon by the Heaven’s as well.

    We’ve won! Stop both the worry and concern.

    The Orange Demon is Gone. Like in a bad way.

    Be concerned about the senate end result.

    Perhaps our new Moses will fly there too.

  11. harpie says:

    Joe Donnelly, former Dem Senator from Indiana to Mike Pence
    10:09 PM · Oct 7, 2020

    Mr. Vice President, out of respect for the Kassig family, I have never discussed, in a political forum, my efforts as Indiana’s United States Senator to free Peter Kassig and the other hostages from ISIS captivity. Your comments tonight leave me no choice.

    [many people tried very hard over years, with heartbreaking result]

    One thing I do clearly remember is I saw and spoke to those in the Obama/Biden administration in this all out effort to free Peter and the other hostages much more than I saw or heard from you about this effort.

  12. harpie says:

    Trump asked Walter Reed doctors to sign nondisclosure agreements in 2019
    At least two Walter Reed doctors who refused to sign nondisclosure agreements last year were not permitted to be involved in Trump’s care.
    Oct. 8, 2020, 5:00 AM

    President Donald Trump has required personnel at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center to sign nondisclosure agreements before they could be involved with treating him, according to four people familiar with the process.

    During a surprise trip to Walter Reed on Nov. 16, 2019, Trump mandated signed NDAs from both physicians and nonmedical staff, most of whom are active-duty military service members, these people said. At least two doctors at Walter Reed who refused to sign the NDAs were subsequently not permitted to have any involvement in the president’s care, two of the people said.

    The reason for his trip last year remains shrouded in mystery. […]

    • Raven Eye says:

      These NDAs that Trump is always throwing around…Who are the parties to the agreement? Trump as an individual, or the federal government?

    • P J Evans says:

      I suspect those aren’t legal NDAs. But until Congress and the courts tell him “H3ll no”, he’ll keep doing it.

      • Raven Eye says:

        For me, this is a special concern for military members on active duty. If the service member’s JAG reviewed and approved the NDA, then that would be reassuring. But if members are signing unapproved legal agreements relating to actions taken in performance of their official duties, that’s worrisome.

    • Molly Pitcher says:

      I hope someone with more understanding of the UCMJ will comment, (Rugger9 ?) but I find it hard to believe that a member of the military could legally sign a NDA.

    • BobCon says:

      I was dubious the commission would take a stand, so good for them for taking the step, even though they should have done it from the beginning.

      Trump is already rejecting it. I hope they stay the course. The next one is a town hall format, and there is no reason Biden can’t do it solo.

      This puts Trump in a bind, but it’s his fault. He could legitimately claim a medical deferral (unlike for the draft) but that would undercut his current BS. He could participate, but he would look bad even if he was 100% healthy.

      Or he can bail and look weak. In which case the commission and the networks should let Biden have the airtime to answer questions from voters. It would still be newsworthy and a valid TV event. There is no justification for cancelling unless Trump is honest about his condition.

      • ThoughtMail says:

        Unknown: what’s in the debate rule agreement.

        The debate is scheduled. Go ahead and keep the appointment. If there’s a no-show, just as in court, default judgement for the one who appears. Simple. Straightforward.

        • ThoughtMail says:

          Also unknown: what is in the debate agreement that might provide for one of the parties failing to perform their covenants – fines, charges, costs, remedies.

          Notwithstanding that some of the rules have been amended (unilaterally?), ad hoc. Since this thing (contract) has been so flexible, how is any (notwithstanding severance) of it enforceable?

  13. klynn says:

    Pence’s covid eyes need to be discussed today. He probably put Kamala at risk. That potential act of irresponsibility should be investigated.

    • bmaz says:

      Who is going to “investigate” it? Based on what evidence? Do you think rank internet speculation “as seen on TV” supersedes HIPAA and other confidentiality rights? Based on what theory?

      • rip says:

        So based on HIPAA or any other privacy considerations, we should not discuss any personal details about anybody whatsoever?

        A figure in the public arena (Pence, Trump, Biden, Harris) should be able to have discussion about their apparent external behaviors and appearance discussed.

        And yes, the investigative journalists have done a much better job of looking into public figures than the official investigators.

        I realize that there is a lot of crap that is published by the independent media but it is usually better than the crap that is published by the entrenched interests.

        • bmaz says:

          Yes, I think people blowing poo out their butts based on non-medical internet gossip gleaned from a poor definition TV feed is bogus. And, frankly, a tad sick.

  14. harpie says:

    SACRIFICE is for you LOSERS! [#gazillion]

    7:00 AM · Oct 8, 2020

    The details of this story are so damning. So many Americans postponed or reenvisioned major life events—but Mark Meadows, rather than share that sacrifice, just did what he wanted. The # of bridesmaids *alone* [11!] exceeded the state’s group-gathering rules. [link]

    Top White House aide hosted lavish Atlanta wedding in May despite virus restrictions
    Atlanta Journal Constitution

  15. SVFranklinS says:

    OT, but when I click on Rayne’s Twitter in the scroll bar on the right, it comes up as saying “Caution: This account is temporarily restricted. You’re seeing this warning because there has been some unusual activity from this account. Do you still want to view it?”.

    What’s going on?

    • Rayne says:

      LOL I had to re-log into my account after signing out, hadn’t passed my Are You Human test yet.

      Let me know if you see that message again after refreshing, thanks. :-)

  16. harpie says:

    Military Medical Ethics and Dr. Conley’s Misrepresentations of the President’s Health
    Brig. Gen. (Ret.) Stephen N. Xenakis, MD and Jonathan Moreno
    October 8, 2020

    What is it about the symbolic power of a lab coat? […]

    But in our time the failure to extend truth telling about their leaders to the general public was blindingly clear in Dr. Conley’s obvious prevarications in his updates on the president’s medical condition. Bound by the rules of privacy embodied in the law, Dr. Conley could disclose only the information that the President had expressly authorized — nothing more, and nothing less. Fair enough. But he went further. He intentionally and knowingly misrepresented the President’s health and treatment. […]

    When a doctor speaks to American people about the condition of a leader that physician functions as a crucial membrane in that public’s understanding about the stability of their government. The polity’s expectations are and ought to be different than they were even a few years ago. Dr. Conley was obligated to object to any order to knowingly deceive the public about the President’s medical condition. That principle must become part of an explicit standard of ethics for the next physician in the position of Dr. Conley and his white coat.

  17. harpie says:

    Trump, today:
    8:19 AM · Oct 8, 2020

    “I met with Gold Star families. I didn’t want to cancel that … I can’t say, ‘back up’ … they wanna hug me and they wanna kiss me, and they do” — Trump on now suggesting Gold Start families gave him coronavirus [on 9/27/20]

    Trump on 10/1, to Hannity about Hicks [my transcript]:

    10:02 PM · Oct 1, 2020

    …think back, you know it’s it’s a tough kind of situation. It’s a terrible thing. So, um, I just went for a test and we’ll see what happens. I mean, who knows? But you know Hope very well. She’s fantastic, and she’s done a great job. But, it’s very, very hard when you are with people from the military or from law enforcement, and they come over to you and they, they wanna hug you and they wanna kiss you because we really have done a good job for ‘em. And, you get close and things happen. I was surprised to hear with Hope, but she’s a very warm person with them. And she, she knows there’s a risk, but…

    …”and she knows there’s a risk!

    • P J Evans says:

      That’s almost a “sir” story. He’s used that line a lot of times, about people wanting to hug and kiss him. To which my response is “EEEEEWWWWW”.

  18. harpie says:

    [added: Marcy’s already on this on twitter…should have known!]

    Feds say they thwarted militia plot to kidnap Whitmer
    Robert Snell The Detroit News 10/8/20

    The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday.

    The alleged plot involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia, according to a federal affidavit filed Thursday. […]

    FBI affidavit:
    Conspirators wanted to kidnap gov to remote Wisconsin location
    The Detroit News 12:23 pm. ET 10/8/20
    FBI affidavit: Conspirators wanted to kidnap gov to remote Wisconsin location https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/fbi-affidavit-conspirators-kidnap-gov-remote-wisconsin-location/5923989002/ The Detroit News 12:23 pm. ET 10/8/20

  19. P J Evans says:

    I’m wondering about mikes with timers/automatic shutoffs, so anyone going overtime gets cut off. (It’s definitely nonpartisan!)

      • BobCon says:

        I am always a bit cautious with these cases because the FBI has a very mixed record, with some agents pushing the limits of entrapment.

        But these guys seem serious and were not just flapping their lips. They were working out how to make bombs. I’m glad some people in the federal government are taking this seriously despite who is President.

        • P J Evans says:

          What I saw was that they’d already tried making a couple of IEDs. That’s into “serious about it” territory.

  20. earlofhuntingdon says:

    As the one infected with the Coronavirus, Trump’s refusal to hold a virtual debate is irresponsible, though I admit that, with Trump, the description is redundant. It’s easy to see why. Trump is incapable of engaging in fact and argument based debate. He can’t absorb one or perform the other.

    His “debate” is performance art. He riffs off the other guy, which is enabled by moderators who usually ask Biden to answer first. If Trump had to answer first, he would have to initiate a thought – generally beyond him – and which would give his canned attacks less grip. Trump also gave the game away by admitting that in a virtual debate, a moderator cut him off when he egregiously flouted the rules, which is what he does.

    Biden would be well-off by holding a solo town hall style presentation, while noting that Trump, the sick and quarantined, is avoiding rhetorical combat that requires him to follow the rules, and which allow his opponent to fire back.

    • MB says:

      He suggests that instead of the virtual debate, he will simply hold another rally somewhere with his cult-member supporters, who apparently are still willing to crowd together without masks, to cheer his lies on. Also, since his doctors have signed NDAs (whether enforceable or not), we can never know an honest medical assessment as to whether they still consider him contagious or not. That’s private information! Not having the same skills as Bill Barr and Mike Pence (lying in a calm tone of voice, appearing to listen, able to hold still while flies alight, etc.) any debate format is beyond him. The 2016 debates were awful, I recall. Just that Hillary was a lightning rod to public enmity in a way that Biden isn’t.

    • Chris.EL says:

      This article in Salon confirms what I suspected about Trump: he enjoys hurting and/or killing people!

      “Sociopathy”: Psychiatrist says Trump’s behavior “meets criteria for a locked psychiatric facility.”
      It “would not be an exaggeration” to say that Trump “delights in putting people in danger,” Dr. Bandy X. Lee says


  21. pdaly says:

    Maybe the debate could go on without Trump, and while the moderator could ask Biden questions, we could ask Clint Eastwood to address Trump’s empty chair.

  22. pdaly says:

    I saw this letter “Dying in a Leadership Vacuum” by the Editors of the New England Journal of Medicine this week made it onto the morning news today. They call on Americans to vote out of office the current administration based on the abysmal failure to lead during this pandemic.

    “When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.”


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