Another Violent Foot Soldier Radicalized by Donald Trump

In this post, I noted that many of the people who engaged in the most violent action on January 6 were not known to be part of one of the organized militia groups, which seem instead to have set off and channeled the violence of others. I described how the only explanation that Emanuel Jackson gave for twice assaulting cops was that after attending Trump’s rally, he followed the crowds to the Capitol and beat up several cops, including with a baseball bat, in order to prevent the certification of the vote.

In updates, I noted how the son of the guy whose dad was pictured carried a Confederate flag through the Capitol punched out windows because, after attending the rally, he followed someone yelling directions in a bullhorn (which could be Alex Jones) and then followed the instructions of someone else to clean out the glass in a window. And a former Marine beat up several cops after he, “got caught up in the moment” after marching down from the Ellipse.

The charging documents from the recent arrest of Kyle Fitzsimons provides another example of someone who got inspired by Trump and went onto first grab and then charge the cops trying to protect the Capitol.

The affidavit quotes from a local article, in which he described being “asked” by President Trump to go give weak Republicans the kind of boldness they needed to take back the country.

“The speeches from the morning were overtly preaching the election was not over, there was a path to victory through decertification, there was a plan to delay the certification by the House and Senate and then state legislatures would convene and (certify) the right result.” FITZSIMONS stated that as the rally at the Ellipse ended, the crowd was asked by President Trump to walk to the Capitol to “give our Republicans, the weak ones … the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

In another interview he described that “Trump is a lion leading an army of lambs through ‘lawfare'”

After the rally he went and changed into his work clothes, a butcher’s uniform, then walked to the Capitol and fought the cops until he got hit in the head with a police baton.

Two witnesses who know him describe that before January 6, he was known for his right wing beliefs, his gun ownership, and his racism, but not for being a violent person.

Yet on January 6, after hearing Trump’s request to go to the Capitol and embolden other Republicans to steal an election, he did so, violently.

Here’s my running list of the people who, as of yesterday, had been charged with intimidating or assaulting police.

  1. Daniel Page Adams, whose arrest affidavit describes engaging in a “direct struggle with [unnamed] law enforcement officers” (his cousin, Cody Connell, described the exchange as a “civil war”).
  2. Zachary Alam, who pushed cops around as he was trying to break into the Speaker’s Lobby.
  3. Matthew Caspel, who charged the National Guard.
  4. Scott Fairlamb, who was caught in multiple videos shoving and punching officers (one who whom is identified but not named); Cori Bush has said she was threatened by him last summer.
  5. Kyle Fitzsimons, who charged officers guarding the doorway of the Capitol.
  6. Alex Harkrider, who after being filmed fighting with police at the door of the Capitol, posted a picture with a crowbar labeled, “weapon;” he was charged with abetting Ryan Nichols’ assault.
  7. Michael Foy, a former Marine who was caught on multiple videos beating multiple cops with a hockey stick.
  8. Robert Giswein, who appears to have ties to the Proud Boys and used a bat to beat cops.
  9. Emanuel Jackson, whom videos caught punching one officer, and others show beating multiple officers with a metal baseball bat.
  10. Chad Jones, who used a Trump flag to break the glass in the Speaker’s Lobby door just before Ashli Babbitt was shot and may have intimidated three officers who were pursuing that group.
  11. Edward Jacob Lang, who identified himself in a screen cap of a violent mob attacking cops and who was filmed slamming a riot shield into police and later fighting them with a red baseball bat.
  12. Mark Jefferson Leffingwell, whom a Capitol Police officer described in an affidavit punching him.
  13. Patrick Edward McCaughey III, who was filmed crushing MPD Officer Daniel Hodges in one of the doors to the Capitol.
  14. Ryan Nichols, who was filmed wielding a crowbar and yelling, “This is not a peaceful protest,” then spraying pepper spray against police trying to prevent entry to the Capitol.
  15. Dominic Pezzola, a Proud Boy who stole a shield from cops.
  16. Ryan Samsel, who set off the riot by giving a cop a concussion; he appears to have coordinated with Joe Biggs.
  17. Robert Sanford, who was filmed hitting Capitol Police Officer William Young on the head with a fire extinguisher.
  18. Peter Schwartz, a felon who maced several cops.
  19. Barton Wade Shively, who pushed and shoved some police trying to get into the Capitol, punched another, then struck one of those same cops later and kicked another.
160 replies
  1. P J Evans says:

    ew, 20 and 21 have the same names as 18 and 19. I think that may be incorrect.

    It raises questions about whether they normally take speeches that literally.

  2. yogarhythms says:

    Thank you again for your documentary expertise cataloging groomed, manipulated, incited, domestic terrorist martyrs for Trump.

  3. harpie says:

    That was at the end of Trump’s rally speech. [He started speaking at 12:00 PM]:

    1:10 PM [VIDEO]

    TRUMP: So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give, the Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

    So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America.

    Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you. (applause, cheering)

    • harpie says:

      This is what one guy posted on Parler:

      1:38 PM [Man walking] Speech is over, it was awesome. Some of you may have seen it online. It went over all the voter fraud. I am very concerned about Mike Pence. I have no idea what he’s gonna do. Did not love the way the President talked about that. And, uh, I don’t know. We’ll see.
      Anyways, we’re walking over to the Capitol right now, and I don’t know, maybe we’ll break down the doors.

      This was from “Fight for Trump”: Video Evidence of Incitement at the Capitol [Goodman, Hendrix] at Just Security.

    • BroD says:

      I keep trying to call attention to Trump’s use of the first person in his speech–as in, “We’re going to the Capitol…” In the first place, it is such BS–he had no intention of walking anywhere but back to his cozy quarters in the White House. In the second place–and this may become relevant in legal processes–he created the impression that he was personally engaged in a leadership role in the activities which ensued.

      • harpie says:

        Yes, and Roger Stone did the same thing the day before.
        Alex JONES did “march” from the rally to the Capitol, as he was DIRECTED to do by “the White House” on 1/3/21.

      • harpie says:

        Pretty much right out of the gate of this speech [ie: just after bashing and whining about the media] Trump tries to DEFLECT RESPONSIBILITY for TRUMP and STONE’s whole StoptheSteal “movement” ONTO his supporters:

        12:02 PM TRUMP:

        All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. (cheering) You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore (cheering) and that’s what this is all about.

        And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal.

        • timbo says:

          Nice catch. Yeah, that certainly seems to be incitement. In the end, there’s no way to “stop the steal” without action, and this is the solicitation of it.

      • Vicks says:

        I agree.
        The problem with Trump’s directing tens of thousands of people to March to the capitol is that according to permits and official programming, the event was limited to Freedom Plaza which means his directions not only knowingly breeched all sorts of security, health and accommodation issues, but as you pointed out it also appeared he was following a plan that had been laid out in advance.
        With evidence of family members and close associates meeting with those involved in planning or participating in the violence, I’m not sure how his defense is going to explain the coincidence?
        Link to permit
        p 1 states the locations of event .
        p 2 states there is to be no march

  4. BobCon says:

    Have there been any charges filed regarding attacks on non-police yet? The press was also targeted in pre-riot online postings and I’m curious how the assaults on journalists are being handled, since they don’t seem to be purely random acts.

    • emptywheel says:

      One on the press–a guy who was trying to burn their equipment.
      FBI has recently been sending out wanted posters of those people, so I assume there will be more.

      • emptywheel says:

        Adding, while Eric Munchel has not been charged with assault on William Turton it was mentioned in a detention memo.

        • BobCon says:

          Thanks. I’d be really interested if the news orgs will ever decide that protecting their employees will ever need to go past the level of sternly but vaguely worded letters.

        • Eric says:

          Most news orgs provide training, safety equipment, legal support and require risk assessment and/or specialized training before staff take on hostile environment or otherwise high-risk assignments. Freelancers are left to their own devices, though many organizations – NPPA, RCFP, CPJ, RFP, Frontline Freelancers Union, Rory Peck Trust and others offer grants for training programs and/or equipment, publish guidelines for covering unrest, offer downloadable risk assessment forms, legal advice and services, etc. Further, org’s like NPPA and others do 1st amendment training with LE around the country and have been actively involved in things like trying to pass federal shield laws and other measures designed to afford protection to reporters in the field. J-Schools are beginning to adopt safe-practice education and training as well. Most of these efforts are supported, funded and encouraged by publishers and editorial desks at news organizations. It’s not perfect, and it’s not enough, but it’s a lot more than just writing letters.

        • BobCon says:

          What is desperately missing from the press at the editorial and management level is any serious commitment to addressing the attacks as a systemic problem of the right. There is a great parallel to the way they treated the leadup to the Capitol attack. The threats and warnings were all there, but the press as an institution refused to cover it as more than posturing.

          Last summer, reporters at the street level were being deliberately targeted by police who were clearly coordinating with violent right wingers, but at the editorial level there was no attempt to establish a narrative beyond “protests raging.”

          The Trump press office was putting White House correspondents literally in harms way with dangerous conditions that infected reporters with Covid, and yet this did not lead to a narrative of right wing assault on the press. Trump inspired a mail bomber who targeted CNN, and yet CNN’s managed never cinnected the dots.

          It’s not as if the press won’t create narratives. “Diner people still love Trump” was a running and wildly misleading trope for years.

          But as long as the editorial culture refuses to treat violence as anything more than a series of isolated incidents unconnected to right wing politicians, they are setting up their reporters on the ground for even greater tragedies.

          What’s also nuts is that the collaboration is a great story — far more interesting than why Biden took a trip home to Delaware, or phony thumbsucking pieces on bipartisanship. But it requires dropping the notion that both parties are basically the same, and editors would rather eat their right foot than admit what they’ve been missing for years.

        • e.a.f. says:

          In my opinion the MSM management just doesn’t care all that much about their workers. they’re all replaceable and the only thing management is interested in is making a profit.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          BobCon, I can’t fathom the prestige media’s continued willful ignoring of the places where I’ve been seeing the alt-right gaining momentum for years. It’s been a month since NYT and WaPo suddenly discovered Parler, just in time for it to (predictably) vanish. But the pro-Trump/anti-democratic movement has other places to go; like Parler before them, these sites are written off as unworthy of investigation by the lofty media. (People including Ben Collins and Brandy Zadrozny have been covering them brilliantly for years, not that you would know it unless you follow them.) Access journalism has glamour. What I do is mostly boring/disgusting/depressing, but I was not taken by surprise January 6.

  5. PeterS says:

    The article from the Rochester Voice is notably sympathetic. It reports Fitzsimons saying he was in Washington “because if the Republic were going to die that day, I wanted to be there to witness it.”

    The article continues “In fact, it was Fitzsimons who almost died when a police officer clubbed him over the head with a baton…”
    Some of his words are I think from a call he made to a meeting of Selectmen and women. He got an even more sympathetic reception there.

    Trump’s Big Lie rhetoric has done so much harm.

  6. John Paul Jones says:

    I think maybe Fitzsimmons got a sympathetic reception because almost the first thing he did when he got home was publicize his behaviour and tell lies about it. In other words, knowing he was liable to arrest for beating up (or trying to) the cops, he decided to put out a different narrative, that he was pushed to the front, where he got beaned with a baton, and promptly retreated. I don’t think either the local reporter or the Selectpersons (?) meeting really stopped to think through that just in entering the Capitol grounds he was breaking the law, or that his story (non-violent protest gone terribly terribly wrong) didn’t really make sense.

    • PeterS says:

      Sure, but they didn’t stop to think because they were predisposed to believe any excuse. That harm I mentioned goes deep and wide.

    • SomeGuyInMaine says:

      The relatively sympathetic approach in the Rochester Voice may have to do with two things:

      1. This is his hometown paper and they treat him as a human/resident, talking to neighbors, and noting his family etc., but also
      2. The Voice is a bit of an unusual online only newspaper declaring in a small graphic at the bottom of some stories “Most of the Media is not mainstream; it’s on the left bank.”

      Wider local coverage in Maine is far less sympathetic. The story on Fitzpatrick’s arrest in the state’s largest paper the Press Herald begins:

      “ A Lebanon man held racist beliefs and espoused the baseless view that former President Donald Trump lost the 2020 election because of voter fraud, even offering on social media to lead a caravan to Washington, D.C., for what became the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol last month, according to an affidavit filed in federal court this week.”

      It goes on to detail the DC charges against him, plus past questionable comments, and finally police interesting him as a suspect in the recent planting of a suspicious package at the Portland Museum of Art.

      Full article here:

    • Raven Eye says:

      Never underestimate the potential for “smallness” among local elected officials.

      In September I was watching a regular meeting of the county commissioners. One of them said words to the effect: “You get vaccinated to protect yourself, not to protect other people”. I was stunned. The person didn’t understand two things about public health…The words “public” and “health”.

      A lot of these elected officials are right in the demographic of those middle class seditionists.

      And I’m a little frosted about James Fallow’s book “Our Towns”. He and his wife parachute (almost literally) a select group of small to medium cities in the 95th percentile, and somehow want to convince us that the rest of the country can operationalize whatever they “discovered”. At least I think so…I’m not sure I can force myself to read the remaining 80%.

      • SomeGuyInMaine says:

        Lol. I am a former elected local official.

        Mostly, folks are excellent and well meaning , but not always. But that’s true everywhere.

        No idea about the Fallows piece.

      • Amers says:

        Your sentiment about vaccinating for self vs others stood out to me. Is it not correct that wearing a mask and social distancing are the measures that protect others, while getting the vaccine IS for self protection? Getting the vaccine helps that person’s body recognize and combat the virus. Getting the vaccine does not decrease the odds of coming in contact and harboring the virus which would imply an individual who has been vaccinated and then tested positive could still infect others.

        • bmaz says:

          Strikes me that is something not yet well enough known and documented yet, i.e. the difference between personal protection and transmissibility protection. And this is what medical providers I know are practicing; even after full vaccination, they are using masks, distancing, PPE etc. Still a long way to go on all of it.

        • Amers says:

          Right. Not enough data yet. Man would it be great if vaccination actually did decrease transmissibility because of less severe symptoms/power sneeeezing/nose running non stop for days.

        • bmaz says:

          And it may well be! And you would hope at least partially, but I’ve sure not seen any compelling data either way yet.

    • LeeNLP says:

      “I think maybe Fitzsimmons got a sympathetic reception because almost the first thing he did when he got home was publicize his behaviour and tell lies about it.”

      It’s an old strategy- when in danger of punishment, be the first kid to get to Mom with the story.

    • My Uncle Fred says:

      The Selectman Meeting call was revealing about local political leadership – it wasn’t a pretty picture.

      As noted, the butcher was trying to create a narrative to protect his illegal and violent behavior.

      Fitzsimmons’ lies were obvious to anyone demonstrating a modicum of critical thinking.

      Listening to the full call, including the selectman comments afterwards, is a worthy exercise of time. This bunch of politicians were in agreement with Fitzsimmons, as they fawned over his commentary and offered him fulsome praise. Ironically they pointedly distinguished themselves from politicians, while expressing disrespect for politicians as a group.

      And there is the obvious question: what did taking this call do to advance the council’s and their constituents business?

      Nothing Norman Rockwell here.

      • timbo says:

        Indeed. It smacks of sedition, pure and simple. Basically, rather than doing the business of running the community, these jokers are supporting a movement to subvert the Constitution.

  7. TooLoose LeTruck says:

    “Trump is a lion leading an army of lambs through ‘lawfare’”…

    More like a hyena leading lambs to the slaughter, all whilst taking them for every last cent he can along the way…

    What an absolutely bottomless pit of malevolence, greed, resentment, and narcissistic neediness he’s turned out to be…

    And what an apparently endless gaggle of suckers he’s found to fleece…

    • Chris.EL says:

      Interesting, how our *New Terrific* President Biden has made the prescient decision to DENY INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS to *twice impeached* former president Trump!!!

      Here is hoping there are no individuals in government that are willing to share their own briefing knowledge with the aforementioned sack of _____! Michael Flynn’s brother immediately comes to mind.

      How much influence could also be here, in this matter?

      From Twitter:
      “Steve Vladeck
      It’s a sign of the times that Justice Barrett’s very first signed opinion since joining #SCOTUS is a one-paragraph concurrence in a “shadow docket” ruling granting an emergency injunction pending appeal—on religious liberty grounds …”

      • TooLoose LeTruck says:


        I was watching the Biden interview w/ Nora O’Donnell when Joe said that part, out loud… that made my day…

        NO security briefings for EX-President Trump!

        No security briefing for you!

        No security briefing for you!

        No security briefing for you!

        (spoken w/ best Soup Nazi imitation voice)

        • Chris.EL says:

          EXCELLENT tangent! Whatever happened to the Soup Nzi?
          Well, here is another off topic meander — Ruth Marcus, WAPO “Opinion: You probably haven’t heard of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson. That’s going to change.” …

          Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson has worked as a public defender! She envisions the “law as a mechanism for achieving justice.” [Hooray!]
          Ruth Marcus, WAPO “Opinion: You probably haven’t heard of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson. That’s going to change.” …

          [here’s more:]

          “Stated simply,” she wrote, “the primary takeaway from the past 250 years of recorded American history is that Presidents are not kings.” (Disclosure: Jackson is presiding over a defamation suit filed against The Post by the Trump campaign.)

          But a more obscure ruling, involving William Pierce, a deaf D.C. man who was imprisoned for 51 days after a domestic dispute, may offer more insight into Jackson’s belief in law as a mechanism for achieving justice. Corrections officials did nothing to accommodate Pierce’s disability, as the law requires, ignoring his repeated requests for a sign-language interpreter.

          Jackson assailed prison officials’ “willful blindness regarding Pierce’s need for accommodation.” She said it was “astonishing” for D.C. to claim that it had done enough, when “prison employees took no steps whatsoever” to figure out how to help him. And she took the unusual step of ruling for Pierce even before trial.” …

        • P J Evans says:

          It isn’t like he was the only deaf person in DC. There’s a university there for the Deaf, and it’s fairly well known. (My nephew and his wife (JD from UCLA) are both graduates of Gallaudet.)

  8. Terrapin says:

    Any news yet on suspects in the death of Brian Sicknick, the Capitol police officer killed in the riot?

    • Zinsky says:

      The “Hockeystick Guy”, Michael John Foy, was noted as hitting a fallen Capitol police officer repeatedly over the head in a tweet tip in his Statement of Facts. The exact tweet
      stated “This is the man that killed the police officer. He hit him with a hockey-stick over and over in the head.” It further indicates that this tip has not been corroborated or confirmed by law enforcement. Foy concealed the hockey stick by using it as the flagpole for a Trump flag and then when he got to the West Entrance of the Capitol, shed the flag and used the hockey stick as a weapon. This low-life needs to go to prison for a long, long time…

      Here is Foy’s Statement of Facts:

  9. Steven Mong says:

    I’m a long time reader with a question that I haven’t seen asked or answered and that is, where did all the bats come from? Were they supplied or just happen to be laying around, or did they just happen to have one with them? And pardon in advance for the sentance structure.

    • Peterr says:

      Except for the occasional practice for the annual Congressional baseball game, you don’t find bats lying around the Capitol.

      No, the bats in the hands of the insurrectionists are one of those little things that suggest prior planning.

      Think about all the things someone might bring to a protest. Snacks and beverages, to keep up your energy and hydration, are always important. Signs are good, and other symbols of your protest. Maybe some bullhorns, or other ways of amplifying your message.

      Bats are different. A bat isn’t exactly heavy, but it is also not something you can stick in your pocket when you aren’t using it. So you’ve got to lug it around for hours on end, which gets old pretty quickly. So it’s not something you bring unless you have a pretty good idea you are going to need to swing it — and anyone who has been charged with assault using a bat will face a lot of difficult questioning about why they brought one with them.

      (And no need to apologize in advance for your sentence structure. This place is pretty forgiving when it comes to sentence structure (and even moreso when it comes to spelling), as long as it doesn’t screw up the point you’re trying to make.)

      • BobCon says:

        Organizers of liberal protests and rallies at the Capitol have noted that in recent years they have had to go through checkpoints where things like signs with sticks and flags on poles are prohibited.

        I don’t know if we’ve had any explanation why this didn’t happen. I don’t know if there has been an official explanation behind the permitting by the US Park Service either.

      • TooLoose LeTruck says:

        Someone who should know once told me that if the police catch you with a baseball bat and you’re not on your way to play in a game, they consider the bat to be a weapon (broadly speaking). Kind of like getting caught w/ bolt cutters after dark… the cutters are considered a burglary tool, I believe.

        Don’t know how hard of a rule that is or even if it’s true, but that’s what I was told… so I have a hard time believing that all those bats wouldn’t be seen as weapons, period, no matter what excuse the possessors offered up. I’m guessing the same might be said for the crow bar and hockey stick seen in some footage.

        And I was wondering about that while watching that day… how the heck did so many baseball bats turn up there? Geez, not a good look for the ‘peaceful demonstrators’…

        I read something yesterday about a security breach at Joint Base Andrews wherein an intruder managed to access the flight line; the USAF is treating this as a serious security breach and has ordered a review of security at all its’ bases.

        Given that Air Force One is based there, and an intruder managed to get that close to it, it’s understandable why the AF is so upset. If that incident was such a serious security breach, why isn’t what happened at the Capitol being seen in the same light? How in god’s name did those yahoos get that close to the VP so easily?

        I wonder how Mike Pence is doing these days… he seems to have vanished… and I hear he and Trump haven’t spoken since the 6th.

        • TooLoose LeTruck says:

          I just googled it, for my own edification…

          Seems as though the issue w/ the bats is premeditation?

          Hard to believe all the individuals who just happened to show up at the Capitol that day had anything close to a valid reason for having a bat, or for that matter, a hockey stick or crowbar, with them.

      • What Constitution? says:

        And then there’s the manner in which the beams and boards to assemble a complete gallows found their way to the Capitol. The best explanation for that would appear to be that the same space platform used by the Jewish laser beams fired into California forests used its transporter device to beam the finished gallows to the Capitol. Either that or it was planned well in advance.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        What really smacked to me of prior planning was all the crutches being used as weapons in the melee. Of course: If you pretend to need one, who will challenge you? Then when the moment comes, it converts to a tool for dealing blunt force trauma. Someone involved in organizing this is being hailed as a tactical genius.

    • Barb says:

      I remember seeing footage on the news of one rioter who had the American flag zip tied to a baseball bat, where he was using the baseball bat as a flag pole.

      He probably thought it was a clever way to sneak in a *weapon.*

  10. SaltinWound says:

    For people who were caught storming the Capitol is “Trump told me to” a confession of spontaneous motivations or is it a stab at a Hail Mary defense?

    • e.a.f. says:

      “Trump told me to” that line didn’t work when we were kids, you know the line about my sister/brother/friend told me to. Well here in Vancouver, B.C. a lot of Moms used to ask, well if they told you to jump off the Lions Gate Bridge would you have.

      Trump told me to is not a defense. None of rioters looked like people under the age of 3.

  11. Savage Librarian says:

    This article provides some practical insight into how words can incite violence:

    “Trump impeachment trial: Decades of research show language can incite violence” – Kurt Braddock, American University School of Communication
    February 5, 2021
    “The research shows that the messages people consume affect their behaviors in three ways….”
    “In the case of Donald Trump, the relationship between words and actions never seems clear. But make no mistake, there is a scientifically valid case for incitement.”

    “Decades of research have demonstrated that language affects our behaviors – words have consequences. And when those words champion aggression, make violence acceptable and embolden audiences to action, incidents like the insurrection at the Capitol are the result.”

    • Stephen Calhoun says:

      Almost everybody has experience of being carried away by their enthusiasm, including the thrill of fight, of the fight/flight response. We can be motivated to do all sorts of things in the thrill of the moment. The collective moment can be very powerful.

      via Merriam/Webster

      Exhort is a 15th-century coinage. It derives from the Latin verb hortari, meaning “to incite,” and it often implies the ardent urging or admonishing of an orator or preacher.

    • PeterS says:

      In the biography, after Chapter 11, “Donald Does Bankruptcy”, comes Chapter 12, “Donald Does Demagoguery”.

  12. JamesJoyce says:

    Putin’s party will not hold Trump accountable.

    Putin has the oil.

    The art of the deal?

    American servitude…

    The party of Lincoln who ended an energy monopoly and assault on republic is no more.

    They lie just like a slaveowner and or Nazi…

    Truth 101 missed like a J-Rod whiffing on a Pedro fastball…

    Putin’s Party does Trump’s work, which is Putin’s work…

    Divide America…

  13. e.a.f. says:

    At some level every one has violence in them, o.k. there may be some exceptions, but in this instance Trump tapped into something. Don’t know what it was, but there have been speakers who could get people do to their bidding. there was Hitler. Enoch Powell–some one I knew saw him speak in in a park in England and couldn’t believe how powerful his speaking was. We had only to watch Trump on the campaign trail.

    Not knowing who these people actually are, can’t say what they have in common, except they’re white and male and I’m not making any inferances about that because well we won’t go there and its sexist.

    Perhaps some thought they were doing the right thing, it is why revolutions get started, well Castro certainly could command a crowd and led a revolution. Its not the same as 6 Jan.

    They were a very unhappy bunch of people and at some level they felt betrayed. Some may have just wanted a fight. What I don’t get in all of this is that they wanted to hang Pence. I do know if you whip up a group of people, they do forget who and what they are. Its called mass hysteria and perhaps that is all it was.

    One could argue the U.S.A. is a violent country. this is just another incident. However, when you look at the acts of violence after the end of the Civil War to date, by white men,, this might just be a symptom of that. It may never end. This, in my opinion, is learned behaviour. You need to hate to carry on like that. Now it maybe some people work their aggression out in sports, work, etc. and these people didn’t, couldn’t. Perhaps there a lot of people with mental health problems, roll them together and you have that riot.

    We have seen revolutions through history but in most cases people were aggreaved about fairness, lack of basic human needs and rights, but this riot occurred in the U.S.A. and the rioters all looked reasonably well fed, clothed, its a free country, etc.

    Perhaps in the end it was just a mob of idiots who felt they were loosing their “white priviledge”‘ and they weren’t going to stand for it. Trumped tapped into it and we got, what we got. It wasn’t a surprise to me, but I am still shocked and still can’t figure it out.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      ” . . . they were white and male . . . ” Actually, a surprising number of them were White women. It remains notable to me how far so many women will go, in this case violently and without dignity, in furtherance of a patriarchal system that does not see them as fully human.

  14. Bay State Librul says:

    Mong @ 5:05PM

    Speaking of bats, I hope they weren’t Nellie Fox model bats, known for their large barrels and large handles.
    As a kid, who could field, but not hit a damn, I used Nellie’s bat for singles and doubles.
    What a disgrace for those rioters to yield to such violence.

  15. bg says:

    I understand “helmet boy” who was bashing the doors with a helmet was finally named and arrested. He is the one in the Sullivan video who Sullivan called out as possibly having some connection to the police. I still find that Sullivan brother (supposedly “Antifa”) to be questionable, and certainly not Antifa.

    On another point, in the recent Chicago 7 film, one of them was charged with inciting speech, maybe it was Rennie Davis who just died? Just an aside that comes to my mind. The overarching case the State tried to prove was that the group had coordinated their actions prior to the events at the 1968 Chicago convention. It was really not true, though some of them had prior knowledge of each other in the anti-war movement.

    Organizing today on the internet is quite a lot easier, it seems. But inciting speech is not a new or particularly novel charge. The old saw IOKIYAR comes to mind, tho.

    • harpie says:

      Sen. Wicker [R-MS] to @GStephanopoulos: “The charge, George, in the impeachment, in the one article of impeachment, is that he singularly incited a riot to invade the Capitol. And I do not think that will be proved in the trial, no.”

      nycsouthpaw responds with this amazing graphic [what is the correct term?]:
      10:52 AM · Feb 7, 2021

      [NYT VIDEO of cell phone movements on 1/6/21]

        • bmaz says:

          Yeah? How are you going to lay the foundation? Who will be the witness to support it? How are you going to get past Rules 401-403 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure? How about Articles 6, 7 and 8 of the FRCrP? People are getting way ahead of themselves. A real criminal jury trial is not the TV and news reporting stuff you think it is. You have no idea how a good criminal defense attorney can bugger this all up. Slow your roll.

        • bmaz says:

          Unless the Senate Rules are changed, which would arguably be improper once a specific trial proceeding has been initiated under a given set of rules, yes. They can be modified by stipulation, such as was apparently just done to accommodate the religious practice of Castor.

  16. harpie says:

    Senator Johnson [R-WI] today:

    [paraphrase] Nancy Pelosi is somehow responsible for a MAGA mob descending on the Capitol for a deadly insurrection

    Senator Wicker [R-MS] today:

    “The charge, George, in the impeachment, in the one article of impeachment, is that he singularly incited a riot to invade the Capitol. And I do not think that will be proved in the trial, no.”

    • harpie says:

      What’s happening on this video at specific times:

      7:58 AM beginning
      9:05 AM supporters gather at rally
      11:24 PM roads to Capitol still fairly empty
      12:00 PM some movement to Capitol
      12:22 PM crowds now moving along routes to Capitol
      12:50 PM some people have arrived at the Capitol
      1:35 PM most people are either on the road or already at the Capitol
      2:24 PM mob storms Capitol [<<< NYT caption]

      • harpie says:

        In response to southpaw tweeting this NYT video of cellphone data, Hunter Walker tweets:
        11:04 AM · Feb 7, 2021

        This data reflects exactly what I saw. I walked with them. I couldn’t hear all of Trump’s speech since I was at the back of the crowd to *try* and minimize COVID risk. When everyone began shouting they were headed to the Capitol, I initially wondered how they all settled on it.

        I was streaming live from this march before my video went black. The crowd ended up blocking the Homeland Security officers who were heading into the Capitol. The DHS cars ultimately turned around. [harpie: !!!!] [VIDEO]

        Seeing the 1/6 crowd push DHS back was the first sign frim where I was that things were going deeply wrong

        I really wish I knew what time this live-stream happened. Is that data there somewhere?

        • vvv says:

          He says in the vid that “Congress has just called a recess”, and it is still daylight, if that helps.

        • harpie says:

          Yes, of course! THANKS!
          [I hadn’t actually listened to it at the time, because it was the middle of the night, and some people actually sleep sometimes! And good thing because those SIRENS!]
          That does help narrow the timing down, because we know Kaitlan Collins tweeted the lockdown at 2:06 PM.
          2:06 PM The US Capitol is now on lockdown. 2:06 PM · Jan 6, 2021

          I find it mind boggling that DHS did NOT get through!

    • harpie says:

      Fight for Trump Video Evidence of Incitement at the Capitol

      What’s going on at the rally:
      Listen to the crowd sound on the Parler videos, a lot of which is not captured in writing, here.

      1] ON TV:
      [00:34] 12:15 PM

      TRUMP We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. (crowd cheering) You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody. Including bad people. And we’re going to have to fight much harder. And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. And if he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country, because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution. (crowd cheering) Now it’s up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down, any one you want. But I think right here. We’re going to walk down to the capital! (crowd cheering)

      2] IN THE CROWD [Parler video]
      [text inside brackets is drowned out by crowd]
      [01:43] 12:16
      TRUMP: We’re going to walk down to the Capitol! (crowd cheering) [and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and] Congressmen and Women. And we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, (Crowd cheering drowns out Trump’s speech.) [and you have to be strong.] We’re going to walk down to the Capitol!

      [2:07] [Man in Crowd] Storm the Capitol!
      [Man in Crowd] Invade the Capitol Building!
      [Man in Crowd] Let’s take the Capitol!
      [Man in Crowd] Take the Capitol!
      [Man in Crowd] Take the Capitol right now!

      [Not on either video]:
      TRUMP: We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

      [02:25] 12:17 PM TRUMP: [I know that everyone here will soon be marching] …over to the Capitol building.

      [Woman recording] Yes!

      TRUMP: To peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

      • timbo says:

        What is interesting here is that I cannot recall any former President of having held such a rally when the Congress was certifying the Electoral College votes before. This, in and of itself, is indirect evidence that Trump’s intention was not in keeping with former Presidents when it comes to accepting electoral defeat. And, what was his exhortation to his fans and followers to come to Washington DC as it would be “wild!” in the days before exactly meant to imply? Because, gee, it did turn out to be “wild!”… as promised?

    • PeterS says:

      As noted on Twitter, the word “singularly” is not in the charge. It’s a weasel word that Wicker weaselled in, to avoid facing the issue. Plus ca change…

      • PeterS says:

        Actually, the phrase “singularly responsible” is I think in the impeachment memo, though not in the Article. I feel “had a singular responsibility for” would have been better.

  17. Ada says:

    There are at least three videos showing Alex Jones near Capitol speaking to the crowd and/or inciting them to a “1776 moment”. I was wondering why he has not been arrested yet.

    • P J Evans says:

      I suspect he’d claim he was entertaining the crowd. But they may be working their way up to him and the other people behind the mikes..

  18. harpie says:

    TRUMP’s lawyers are arguing that TRUMP is NOT inspirational:

    [TRUMP’s LAWYERS]: “The real truth is that the people who criminally breached the Capitol did so of their own accord and for their own reasons, and they are being criminally prosecuted.”

  19. harpie says:


    Definition of incite // transitive verb
    : to move to action // : stir up // : spur on // : urge on

    Choose the Right Synonym for incite
    INCITE, INSTIGATE, ABET, FOMENT mean to spur to action.

    INCITE stresses a stirring up and urging on, and may or may not imply initiating: inciting a riot
    INSTIGATE definitely implies responsibility for initiating another’s action and often connotes underhandedness or evil intention: instigated a conspiracy
    ABET implies both assisting and encouraging: aiding and abetting the enemy
    FOMENT implies persistence in goading: fomenting rebellion

  20. cavenewt says:

    Slightly OT, but…WTF?

    Sure, she’s not incarcerated and is considered not to be a flight risk, but how often do they let people who have been charged leave the country?

    A federal judge said on Friday that a florist from Texas who has been charged with taking part in the riot at the U.S. Capitol last month may travel to Mexico for what she had described as a “work-related bonding retreat.”

    The judge, Trevor N. McFadden of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, granted the woman, Jenny Louise Cudd, permission to take the prepaid trip this month, saying she had no criminal history and there was no evidence she was a flight risk or a danger to others.

    Judge Says Florist Charged in Capitol Riot May Travel to Mexico

    • bmaz says:

      Seriously?? All the time. This is routine. I know the internets are outraged, but that is silly. I get these out of country travel orders for clients all the time. The last time, it was for a client on an international drug conspiracy case. It went on for a long time. During the pendency, I got him three different travel restriction waivers to go to Mexico.

      These are the kind of evaluations courts make every day based on evidence and experience. They are much better at it than outraged mobs on the internet who have no experience.

  21. harpie says:

    4:30 PM on 1/6/21 Scott-Railton reports:
    4:30 PM · Jan 6, 2021

    [Screenshot from Ali ALEXANDER] “Orders from POTUS” I think we will learn that the storming of the Senate was planned. Ali Alexander, a convicted felon, first gained attention for leading the storming of the GA state house in November THREAD [screenshot]

    Screenshot from ALEXANDER:

    Ali #StopTheSteal @ali 2h Get down to the US CAPITOL!
    Orders from POTUS. @StopTheStealUS stage on the senate side of the building, scotus side [PHOTO]

    So does that mean ALEXANDER posted this between 1:30 PM and 2:30 PM??? [2 hours ago from 4:30 PM]

    AND there’s a MAP!!!
    5:03 PM · Jan 6, 2021 3.

    @ali also shared a detailed map of the mustering location on the Senate side of the #CapitolBuilding and used texts & tweets to steer people there.

    • harpie says:

      The reason I saw this today:
      New Parler VIDEO from ProPublica of ALEXANDER and JONES on 1/6/21
      11:35 AM · Feb 8, 2021

      “Get to the other side of the Capitol, that’s where Trump’s coming… Trump’s coming right now, he’s going to be on the other side of the #Capitol…”
      Alex Jones walking with Ali Alexander, accompanied by a large crowd. [VIDEO]
      12:08 PM · Feb 8, 2021

      “History is happening! I salute you! Tell everyone you know ‘go to the other side of the #Capitol.’ That’s where Trumps gonna be -Alex Jones Parler video: [VIDEO]

    • Eureka says:

      For more on the spatial relations, see notes here on the WSJ video (see also the Washington Post video linked):

      The Proud Boys met on the _east_ side of the Capitol 1/6 am. The PBs then _breached_ the police lines (1248pm IIRC) approaching from the northwest (I abbreviated that NW on the linked page).

      Meaning they had effectively* come round the Capitol (and would have — if present at the same time and sticking to roadways — “intersected” with the arriving Jones (Ali) crew).

      (I’m using the roadway names and directions to keep it simpler/explain the relationships so they can be cross-referenced with a map not present here, but the PBs could have just walked lawn, too.)

      So for the PBs to have come around from the east side to enter via a NW barricade, they would have traveled westerly on Northeast Drive.

      Or (and) the arriving Jones/AA crew — traveling easterly, towards NE Dr. — would have seen the PB et al. scrum round the front of the Capitol before the Jones/AA crew ever reached Northeast Drive.

      This is also why the video of Jones walking up the grassy hill (apparently The Hill) is significant, because he would have left the designated roadways (headed for the) / site of their permitted protest to do so. If Jones was trying to keep to their “peaceful deal”, why would he have done that, why is he walking in the grass, with an employee about to go ask a cop if they can ~ “get Alex up there” for an appearance?

      (I linked a video of that prior, have to relocate it)

      *could have: IDK where they were in between these two events in WSJ video)

      • Eureka says:

        Video, partial transcription/description here:

        ** Jones video walking up grass of Hill nearly at Capitol [“fuckin cops”; asked about Pence] **


        [Parler Video Dump] Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones heads from the rally to Capitol building, staff member goes to talk to cops to get “Alex up there” : ParlerWatch

        • Jones, flanked by security, crowd (incl in front of him, leading), walks up the Hill approaching Capitol.

        […] [note: see part where he talks about “fuckin cops”, portions are hard to make out]

        • Someone asks Jones about Pence. This person seems to be filming (intending to broadcast the reply).

        Person: Hey alex — whadaya got […] ~ how’s our Vice President’s doin?

        Jones: [Pause] Uh he he – he floundered [odd head chuff turn] and was neutral. He passed the ball.

        [person who seems to be questioner makes inaudible comment]

        • Then talk of “take a break right here” so staff person can “Go talk to those cops to see if I can get Alex up there”

        See also the following comment re what the Infowars guest host is broadcasting as Jones and crew are at Capitol.

      • Eureka says:

        ^ and obviously in this hypothetical of laying out relationships between groups I am omitting smaller roadway names besides ad hoc lawn/property routes.

  22. harpie says:

    I’ve seen three accounts during the walk from the rally to the Capitol:
    1] [from my comment just above at 5:25]
    Screenshot from Ali ALEXANDER:

    bet: 1:30 and 2:30 PM Ali #StopTheSteal @ali 2h
    Get down to the US CAPITOL!
    Orders from POTUS.
    @StopTheStealUS stage on the senate side of the building, scotus side [PHOTO][MAP]

    2] [From my comment on 2/6 at 2:09]
    This is what one guy posted on Parler:

    1:38 PM [Man walking] Speech is over, it was awesome. Some of you may have seen it online. It went over all the voter fraud. I am very concerned about Mike Pence. I have no idea what he’s gonna do. Did not love the way the President talked about that. And, uh, I don’t know. We’ll see.
    Anyways, we’re walking over to the Capitol right now, and I don’t know, maybe we’ll break down the doors.

    • harpie says:

      3] Journalist Hunter Walker
      11:08 AM · Feb 7, 2021

      I was streaming live from this march before my video went black. The crowd ended up blocking the Homeland Security officers who were heading into the Capitol. The DHS cars ultimately turned around.

      Seeing the 1/6 crowd push DHS back was the first sign frim where I was that things were going deeply wrong [embedded video] [link]


      [bet. 2:00 and 2:30 PM ??] [SIRENS throughout] [0:20] This is Hunter Walker, White House correspondent with Yahoo News. I’m here on Pennsylvania Avenue where quote unquote Stop the Steal demonstrators, here in support of President TRUMP, are marching towards (pointing) the US Capitol dome, where Congress has just called a recess and interrupted the electoral vote count, due to security alerts, a lockdown, that is reportedly underway there at the Capitol, where they were certifying former Vice President Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

      These people are out here protesting the election results, inspired in part by the President’s false claims of election fraud, which he reiterated on stage to this crowd before they took off for the Capitol.

      This is Homeland Security, US Homeland Security. I presume, I do not know this for sure, but I presume that they are heading there towards the Capitol dome to support the US Capitol Police, the normal Agency that handles security on the Hill and for the members of Congress.

      You see there a Three Percenter flag. [1:30] There’s a lot of disparate groups here, in this crowd of Stop the Steal Trump supporters.

      This is Hunter Walker. I’m the White House correspondent with Yahoo News. And it has, so far, been completely peaceful today. I have been broadcasting and tweeting live from the rally at Hunter W.

      But, things do seem to have taken a turn, as Congress attempted to finish the certification of Joe Biden’s victory. [??] that I’ve been marching with on Pennsylvania Avenue from the National Mall [SIRENS throughout]

  23. harpie says:

    1:02 PM · Jan 6, 2021

    1:00 PM Quite the split screen
    a] [At the rally] TRUMP putting massive pressure on Pence to try to overthrow the election while
    b] [At the Capitol] PENCE gets ready for the joint session [PHOTO]

    2] This is what TRUMP was saying around 1:00 PM

    TRUMP: The Republicans have to get tougher. You’re not going to have a Republican Party if you don’t get tougher. They want to play so straight. They want to play so, sir, yes, the United States. The Constitution doesn’t allow me to send them back to the States.

    Well, I say, yes it does, because the Constitution says you have to protect our country and you have to protect our Constitution, and you can’t vote on fraud. And fraud breaks up everything, doesn’t it? When you catch somebody in a fraud, you’re allowed to go by very different rules.

    So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do. And I hope he doesn’t listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he’s listening to.

    3] 1:02 PM PENCE tweets three images:
    a letter indicating he will follow protocols in counting the Electoral College votes.

  24. harpie says:

    [Maybe new info. I haven’t watched, listened yet.]
    9:29 PM · Feb 8, 2021

    Listening to Alex Jones’ bodyguards at #Capitol saying:
    “..we just missed the motorcade (2x)..he just went past..we’ll see where he heads up..” (to my ear)

    Realized I don’t know: What was Trump’s motorcade routing on 6th? Was there ever a (scrapped) plan for a Capitol visit? [VIDEO]

    “…20 minutes before Trump finishes he will then let you out to go lead the crowd… and that indeed happened.”-Alex Jones [VIDEO]

    “Trump said come down here” -Alex Jones to #Capitol Police.

    (Context: by this point Jones w/some of the crowd in tow, is headed to the East side of the Capitol. He’s warning of agitators & his bodyguards are telling police he’ll de-escalate the situation if he can get there) [VIDEO]

    • Eureka says:

      Thank you harpie! I’ll have to watch later, it may be something that’s resurfaced. [There’s something about the motorcade somewhere else, reminder note to relocate that.]

      I’m most happy that ProPublica has as least some of that Jones video I’d seen compiled that YT took down — AND I found the channel user who made it in JSR’s replies that you linked yesterday: it was Granny Mott (@-name is different) and she posted a google drive re-post in the replies, so more of it could be incorporated at ProPublica (or in JSR threads) by now. Hallelujah!

  25. harpie says:
    1:29 PM · Jan 6, 2021

    President Trump called for his supporters to march from the White House area down Penn toward the Capitol. Hundreds doing so now. [VIDEO]
    1:43 PM · Jan 6, 2021

    Per the pool report: President Trump’s motorcade just made it back to the White House despite him telling his supporters he was going to walk to the Capitol with them.

    • Eureka says:

      Excellent: that first item is *hugely important.* Pennsylvania Avenue leads towards the (visual) center of the Capitol, NOT towards Northeast Drive where Jones/AA had the permit for the next event.

      Recall the NYT smartphone/cell phone tracking map shows large numbers of people migrating from the Ellipse to the Capitol via especially both Pennsylvania and Constitution (among other roadways). Taking Constitution would lead more towards the permitted area on Northeast Drive [but would also lead folks to seeing the scrum in front of Capitol first, especially as the PBs et al. STARTED IT up via the NW].

      So Trump is directing traffic TO THE CAPITOL (RIOT IN PROGRESS), NOT to the next permitted event.

      • harpie says:

        From TRUMP’s speech [started at 12:00 and ended at 1:10 PM]:

        12:16 PM Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down,we’re going to walk down, any one you want, but I think right here, we’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women […]

        1:10 PM So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol […]

        So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. [Thank you and the end.]

        • timbo says:

          Nice catch. This is three minutes after the CP dispatched folks to go look for bombs away from the Capitol.

      • Eureka says:

        Well, I guess they still could have taken a left onto Constitution as they got closer, but then we’re still back to the PBs et al. breachers-group via the NW.

        Time to re-look at that NYT visualization and see if it can be slowed down.

        ETA: and thank you for adding that 8:49pm comment, I knew we’d heard of the “take PA Ave” direction before but could not recall where documented.

  26. harpie says:

    New from Just Security:
    #StopTheSteal: Timeline of Social Media and Extremist Activities Leading to 1/6 Insurrection
    Atlantic Council’s DFRLab February 10, 2021

    New from WSJ:
    7:16 PM · Feb 9, 2021

    SO HELPFUL! Trump’s full Rally speech, keyed to footage & expert-annotated via @wsj Story: [link] [PAYWALL]

    • harpie says:

      From the Just Security timeline:

      […] The following timeline begins at the first notable indication of a reemerging “Stop the Steal” campaign ahead of the 2020 election and includes significant milestones as groups across the spectrum of radicalization coalesced around the disinformation-driving movement. At all times, the movement was responsive as Trump engaged and promoted it.

      Put simply, the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol would likely have not occurred if not for Trump’s explicit and tacit encouragement of the Stop the Steal movement. […]

      [First entry]: September 7, 2020
      Far-right social media personality and One America News correspondent Jack Posobiec tweets “#StopTheSteal 2020 is coming…” […]
      That same day, fringe conservative activist Ali Alexander (who previously went by the name Ali Akbar) announces during a now-deleted Periscope live broadcast that he is building the digital infrastructure for a 2020 “stop the steal” effort. […]

      I just want to note this TRUMP TWEET:
      8:43 PM · Sep 6, 2020

      A massive Disinformation Campaign is going on by the Democrats, their partner, the Fake News Media, & Big Tech. They create false stories and then push them like has never been done before, even beyond the 2016 Campaign. It imperils our Country, and must stop now. Victory 2020!

      At the time, nycsouthpaw retweeted HuffPo WH correspondent:
      8:45 PM · Sep 6, 2020

      This is absurd. The president and his campaign are going all out on the lies, every single day. On Facebook, in particular.

      Lot of projection happening here.

      • harpie says:

        Remember when, WH Counsel Pat CIPOLLONE said this about the Democrats during TRUMP’s FIRST IMPEACHMENT:

        [Cipollone 1/21/20]: They’re Not Here To Steal One Election, They’re Here To Steal Two Elections

  27. harpie says:

    TRUMP quotes from this Public Citizen VIDEO
    [this only includes spoken quotes, NOT twitter, etc.]:
    11:53 AM · Feb 8, 2021 [VIDEO]

    8/24/20 The only way they can take this election away from us, is if this is a rigged election
    9/9/20 A lot of illegal voting going on out there, by the way, a lot of illegal voting.
    9/15/20 You’re going to see corruption like you’ve never seen. You’re going to see a rigged election.
    9/16/20 The ballots will be stolen. Who knows where they’re going? Who knows where they’re coming from?
    9/18/20 There’s gonna be fraud. It’s a disaster. […] Everybody knows I’m right.
    9/20/20 And when you see them cheating on the other side. I don’t say if, when.
    9/22/20 Because what they’re doing is a hoax, with the ballots. They’re sending out tens of millions of ballots, unsolicited, not where they’re being asked, but unsolicited. And that’s a hoax.
    [Q: But people are rioting, do you commit to making sure that there’s a peaceful transfer of power?]
    9/23/20 No, no, no. We want to have – get rid of the ballots and you’ll have a very transfer, we’ll have a very peaceful – there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation.
    1/6/21 We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there is theft involved. (cheering)
    1/6/21 We’re going walk down and I’ll be there with you. Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

  28. harpie says:


    2:10 PM (est.) — Trump called Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) around this time, before senators were evacuated, but reached Sen. Mike Lee’s (R-UT) phone. Lee handed his cell phone to Tuberville who spoke with Trump briefly.
    2:13 PM — Vice President Pence was escorted off the Senate floor. Sen. Charles E. Grassley begins presiding, but almost immediately calls a recess.
    2:15 PM — Senate sealed. [WaPo]

    CROWD: ‘Where is Pence? Find Pence!’ ” and also “Fight for Trump!” [NYT]

    NEW INFO about that CALL for the TIMELINE:
    8:17 PM · Feb 10, 2021

    TUBERVILLE tells reporters tonight that when Trump called him on Jan. 6, he informed the president that security had just taken Pence out of the chamber for safety. “I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go.”

    This was being talked about because LEE objected to the way the House Managers characterized what he said about the call.

    • harpie says:

      2:10 PM (est.) — TRUMP called Sen. Tommy TUBERVILLE (R-AL) NEW:
      Tuberville: “I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go.”
      2:13 PM — Vice President Pence was escorted off the Senate floor.
      2:15 PM — Senate sealed. [WaPo]
      2:24 PM TRUMP tweets:

      Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth! [Twitter: This claim about election fraud is disputed]
      CROWD: ‘Where is Pence? Find Pence!’ ” and also “Fight for Trump!”

      4:10 PM Megaphone man reads Trump’s tweet about Pence to the crowd. [VIDEO]
      4:13 PM Jim Acosta tweets:

      A source close to the White House who is in touch with some of the rioters at the Capitol said it’s the goal of those involved to stay inside the Capitol through the night.

  29. harpie says:

    Also, there was news yesterday that TRUMP was very involved in PLANNING [including TIMING] for the day of the rally AND it seems he was instrumental in making sure there was a MARCH to the Capitol. I’ll come back with links and more info.

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