Back Was Stood, And By Was Stood: The Passive Voice Behind the Top Down Structure of the Charles Donohoe Statement of Offense

As I’ve been expecting for some time, Proud Boy Charles Donohoe pled guilty today — to one count of 18 USC 1512(k) (the obstruction conspiracy statute) and one count of assault.

There are few new details in his statement of offense. The most important ones are that:

  • Enrique Tarrio fast-tracked the membership of Dominic Pezzola, the Proud Boy who would be the first to break through a Capitol window with a stolen riot shield on January 6, into the Proud Boys, thereby putting Tarrio directly on the hook for Pezzola’s action
  • Donohoe originally didn’t intend to attend the riot, but did to fill in a leadership gap once he learned Tarrio would be arrested

Most of the rest of the statement of offense is designed to implicate the entire, strictly-enforced hierarchy of the Proud Boys in several kinds of criminal exposure.

First there’s the plan to use violence to obstruct the vote count — something that was planned before Tarrio was arrested, and so something in which he is clearly implicated.

At least as early as January 4, 2021, and prior to Donohoe’s decision to travel to D.C., Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group’s goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal.


Donohoe was not given details of the plan referred to by Biggs, but Donohoe understood from discussions among the MOSD and other Proud Boys that the objective in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to obstruct, impede, or interfere with the certification of the Electoral College vote. Donohoe understood from discussions that the group would pursue this through the use of force and violence, in order to show Congress that “we the people” were in charge.


Within minutes of arriving, members of the crowd breached the barriers and advanced onto Capitol grounds. Donohoe saw Nordean and Biggs advance onto Capitol grounds and followed them. Donohoe believed these actions were intended to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote.

This implicates everyone in the chain of command in using violence to obstruct the vote certification.

Then there’s the damage to the Capitol that Pezzola did with that riot shield — and all the damage that followed.

Shortly after throwing the water bottles at officers, Donohoe encountered Pezzola. Donohoe recognized Pezzola as a Proud Boys member and confirmed that fact with another Proud Boys member. Donohoe then grabbed the riot shield that Pezzola was holding and led Pezzola to the rear of the West Plaza. After reaching the rear of the concrete area of the West Plaza, Donohoe posted a message to MOSD leaders at 1:37 p.m. that read, “Got a riot shield.” While standing at the rear of the plaza, Donohoe took a picture of Pezzola holding the riot shield and making a hand gesture associated with the Proud Boys.

Donohoe then advanced back toward the Capitol in an effort to locate other Proud Boys members. Upon arriving near the base of a set of concrete stairs, Donohoe recognized a Proud Boys member known as “Milkshake” at the front of the crowd standing opposite a line of officers. Donohoe heard shouting and other discussion among those surrounding him indicating that the crowd was preparing to push toward the Capitol. Donohoe recognized that the concrete stairs offered a path to advance further toward the Capitol. Donohoe and others in the crowd pushed up the stairs. It was reasonably foreseeable to Donohoe that the use of force to advance toward the Capitol would involve property destruction by members of the Proud Boys who had been led to the Capitol by Nordean and Biggs.


The attack on the Capitol resulted in substantial damage, requiring the expenditure of more than $1.4 million dollars for repairs.

This is important because 18 USC 1361, willfully doing more than $1,000 of damage to a government building, can carry a terrorism enhancement if done to coerce the government, which (very loosely speaking) can add roughly 10 years to any sentence imposed. Donohoe’s statement of offense says that the foreseeable damage the Proud Boys did with the goal of obstructing the vote certification was $1.4 million.

Finally, there’s the violence that happened, starting with Donohoe’s own water bottles but including Milkshake’s assault on cops and all the other violence that was foreseeable.

Donohoe threw two water bottles at a line of law enforcement officers engaged in the lawful performance of their official duties who were attempting to prevent the mob’s advance in the West Plaza at the Capitol building. It was reasonably foreseeable to Donohoe that members of the Proud Boys who had been led to the Capitol by Nordean and Biggs would engage in assaults on law enforcement.


Donohoe intended to use force and did, in fact, use force to obstruct, impede, or interfere with the certification of the Electoral College vote, and did forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere with, officers or employees of the United States.

In taking such actions, Donohoe intended to influence or affect the conduct of the United States government. He accomplished this by intimidating and coercing government personnel who were participating in or supporting the Congressional proceeding, including Members of Congress, Congressional staff, and law enforcement officers with the Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police Department.

This language — and Dan Scott’s more serious assault and by association all the assaults that happened that day — is important because the conspiracy tied to obstruction, 18 USC 1512(k), can carry enhancements for things like attempted murder and attempted kidnapping, making the maximum penalty 30 years instead of 20.

(3) The punishment for an offense under this subsection is—
(A) in the case of a killing, the punishment provided in sections 1111 and 1112;
(B) in the case of—
(i) an attempt to murder; or
(ii) the use or attempted use of physical force against any person;
imprisonment for not more than 30 years; and

Since this post is about the passive voice, let me note that murders were attempted on January 6.

As I said, what this statement of offense does is implicate the entire chain of a very hierarchical command in criminal exposure for the intentional use of violence and the foreseeable damage to the Capitol as part of a plan to coerce Congress to halt the vote certification. Everyone from Tarrio on down is implicated in this, and several specifics about Donohoe’s statement of offense will ensure that Tarrio can’t escape responsibility because he was absent and Donohoe filled in.

But it is the foundation of that hierarchy that is so remarkable.

On December 19, 2020, plans were announced for a protest event in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, which protest would coincide with Congress’s certification of the Electoral College vote.

On or before December 20, 2020, Tarrio approached Donohoe and solicited his interest in joining the leadership of a new chapter of the Proud Boys, called the Ministry of Self Defense (“MOSD”). Donohoe understood from Tarrio that the new chapter would be focused on the planning and execution of national rallies and would consist of hand-selected “rally” boys. Donohoe felt privileged to be included and agreed to participate.

Close to every other filing in the January 6 case that mentions the announcement of these plans actually cites what was taken as the formal announcement: Trump’s tweet, in response to which hundreds if not thousands of rioters began to make plans to come to DC.

Peter Navarro releases 36-page report alleging election fraud ‘more than sufficient’ to swing victory to Trump . A great report by Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!

The import of that December 19 tweet was clear even in real time; the NYT and WaPo recently returned to the central role it plays in a great number of January 6 cases.

But this statement of offense instead presents what was viewed as an order from Trump in the passive voice: “Plans were announced.” Trump announced those plans, as every other charging document makes clear.

And the next day, in response to that announcement, Tarrio started building that top-down hierarchical structure that would go on to intentionally assault the Capitol and cops.

There are many things this statement of offense does with that masterful use of the passive voice. It implicates, without mentioning, people like Peter Navarro and Ali Alexander, the former because he was mentioned in the tweet and the latter because he was organizing it. The statement of offense makes clear that Tarrio told Donohoe and other Ministry of Self Defense leaders about what their plan was, but doesn’t reveal what he has shared, particularly what he shared about direct planning with people close to Trump. Indeed, the language of the statement of offense leaves open the possibility that Tarrio was moving on this even before the public launch of the riot by Trump.

But most importantly, without naming him, this structure puts Trump at the head of that hierarchy that bears top-down responsibility for the intentional violence and damage in the service of obstructing the vote certification.

This is like announcing a plan to “Stand back and stand by” using the passive voice.

Update: Yesterday, WV Proud Boy head Jeffrey Finley pled guilty in what appears to be one of the misdemeanor pleas tied to advance cooperation. His statement of the offense strongly implicates Zach Rehl, with whom he co-traveled for part of the day.

124 replies
  1. Retired guy says:

    Thank you for the rapid analysis of this remarkable document.

    I’m curious about the identity of Person 1, mentioned at least twice in this SOO. It might be a widening of the circle at the top of the conspiracy, a theme of your analysis.

  2. Eureka says:

    I haven’t finished this one yet but Jeff Finley’s reads oddly Biggs-less. There’s a para. 12.5 missing where “an individual” (Ryan Samsel) approaches/converses with Joe Biggs before tearing down the barricades (13). I’d wonder if Finley hadn’t observed these prior steps but for the fact that there were a whole bunch of folks chaotically tearing at the barricades, so for this “individual” to be isolated in Finley’s story seems to imply more (maybe they just had him review tape, who knows).

    They relay how Finley saw Nordean as _the_ leader (again, no Joe).

    Don’t know what to make of them not identifying the office outside of which Finley took a selfie while “Captain Trump” Zach Rehl and his Philadelphia boys (again, allegedly against their own rules to not hang with their own) were inside. Maybe it’s just for testimonial/knowledge purposes here, but gov has often omitted reference to Merkley in obvious photos of/references to his office (assuming this is the same office referenced).

    • Leoghann says:

      I noticed that Finley’s statement was less specific as far as people were concerned. But thus far, the Pennsylvania Bois–Rehl and his bunch–have proven to be pretty slippery. Finley clearly knew them pretty well, and I think his testimony will go a long ways towards pinning them down, including some who weren’t at the riot and some who claim not to have been.

      As far as his view of Nordean as being Mr. Big to him, rather than Biggs or Donohoe, although there was a top-down hierarchy in the organization, it branched out pretty quickly. All the state chapter leaders weren’t on an equal footing in the hierarchy. Finley was one of the ones who looked to Nordean as their leader.

    • full square says:

      Samsel is the same guy Ray epps whispered to 1 minute before the first breach… well before PB arrived to the capital. No mention of Epps, wheelie?

      • Eureka says:

        Just so everyone’s aware of what’s going on: I said what’s come to be a magic word (name) for conspiracy theorists: Ryan Samsel.

        “Bill” downthread the other day tried his wares, and now today we have “full square” goading a little harder about Ray Epps.

        Hey “Bill” and “full square” — what did Epps tell the J6 Committee?

        Regardless you’re not helping your case by trying to pin the breach on *coordination* between Proud Boys, Samsel, and *Trump supporter and alleged former Oath Keeper Epps*.

        Also: “well before PB arrived to the capital [sic]” : you’re full of shit, the record shows same, and we all know it. Nice try.

  3. Savage Librarian says:

    It looks like that film shot in the garage may have been Tarrio’s attempt at a decoy. The J6 committee has now seen much more damaging footage:

    “Capitol attack investigators zero in on far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys”| US Capitol attack | The Guardian, 4/8/22
    “The select committee has instead become more interested recently in communications both between the militia group leaders and the purported January 6 rally organizers, including Ali Alexander and far-right media personality Alex Jones, the sources said.”
    “At that interview, the select committee also examined in excruciating minute-by-minute detail a 17-minute edited clip of footage shot by [Nick] Quested that documented the Capitol attack, and video that tracked Alexander’s movements around the Capitol building, they said.”

    • Leoghann says:

      I saw in the Washington Post this evening that, upon being asked about the Guardian article and the committee’s focus on Ali, his lawyer said Ali had adopted a “cooperative posture.” I guess that means he’ll be glad to give them misinformation and outright lies as often as they want. He’s still denying doing “anything wrong.”

  4. 90’s Country says:

    The title wasn’t understood until the post was read. Thanks for your great perspective of this whole coup attempt.

  5. PieIsDamnGood says:

    On April 8th, the blog emptywheel experienced a journalist-involved (metaphorical) evisceration. A keyboard was tapped, resulting in the enlightenment of readers.

    This post was enjoyed.

  6. greenbird says:

    “6. As a member of the Proud Boys since 2018 and an attendee at prior national rallies attended by the Proud Boys, Donohoe knew and understood that some members of the Proud Boys – known internally as the “rally” boys – would resort to unlawful conduct to achieve an objective.”

    “8. On or before December 20, 2020, Tarrio approached Donohoe and solicited his interest in joining the leadership of a new chapter of the Proud Boys, called the Ministry of Self Defense (“MOSD”). Donohoe understood from Tarrio that the new chapter would be focused on the planning and execution of national rallies and would consist of hand-selected “rally” boys.”
    ? newly-designated a leader now ?
    ? hand-selected from already-existing rally boys ?

    (i have already torted. allow me to re-tort.)

  7. Bill says:

    “Ryan Samsel) approaches/converses with Joe Biggs ”

    Where’s Ray Epps? Seen in this vid

    [Welcome to emptywheel. Please use a more differentiated username when you comment next as we have several community members named “Bill,” “Will,” “William,” “Wilhem,” and more variants. Thanks. /~Rayne]

  8. Peterr says:

    Most of the time, I loathe the passive voice. Generally, people use it to avoid responsibility or they are too lazy to actually attribute actions to an actor. Here, however, it is a thing of beauty. Beauty, and also terror.

    In the movie “Jaws,” you don’t see the great white shark until well into the film. [dum dum, dum dum, dum dum, . . .] The shark glides ominously through the water, it silently circles beneath its prey, and the music swells [dum dum, dum dum, dum dum, . . .] until the shark suddenly strikes. Spielberg lets the audience’s imaginations fill in the visual hole where the shark ought to be, which makes the terror that much greater.

    “members were repeatedly admonished . . .”

    Can you hear the music? Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum . . .

    “members were to follow the commands of leadership . . .”

    That music’s getting louder. Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum . . .

    “members of leadership were discussing . . .”

    It’s getting closer. Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum . . .

    “barricades were in place . . .”

    It seems like it’s coming from every direction. Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum . . .

    “messages were posted . . .”

    Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum . . .

    The thing about the passive voice that is so ominous here, is that by *not* attributing actions to a specific person or persons, it makes the guilty folks ask themselves, “How much does the DOJ know?” It makes the guilty look around at their co-conspirators and wonder “Have any of them flipped, to provide evidence against me?” It makes the guilty look at themselves, as they try to figure out if they slipped up, thinking to themselves “Did I do something to give the game away?” If you are already afflicted with a certain amount of paranoia, the passive voice seizes on that and turns it up to 11.

    Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum . . .

    And all this music may make some conspirators run to the DOJ to unburden themselves. “I’ll tell you what I know – just make the music stop!”

    Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum . . .

    Be afraid, Proud Boys.
    Be afraid, Roger Stone.
    Be afraid, Alex Jones.
    Be afraid, Bill Barr.
    Be afraid, Mark Meadows.
    Be afraid, Donald Trump.

    DUM DUM, DUM DUM, DUM DUM, . . .

    Be afraid, “members of leadership”. Be very afraid.

    • massappeal says:

      Terrific comment on an excellent post. It brings to mind Jimmy Breslin’s description in “How the Good Guys Finally Won” of the work of John Doar’s legal team on the House Judiciary Committee in 1973-73 leading up to Nixon’s political decapitation.

      It also reinforces the need for the House Select Committee to hold lots and lots of public hearings. The average American is not going to understand this criminal and unconstitutional conspiracy by following hundreds of court cases, or even by reading emptywheel.

      It’s important that public work be done publicly, not just in the courtroom but also in the halls and hearing rooms of Congress. Destroying an ex-president’s political power is a political act, and it requires not just the participation, but also the leadership of politicians.

      • civil says:

        The J6 Committee framed its work in the July 2021 public hearing with four of the MPD/USCP officers there on J6, and since then they’ve focused on gathering data. Arguably, private hearings are more effective for investigative interviews/depositions. Last I read, they hope to start public hearings again in May. I expect they’re thinking through how to organize hearings that will be effective in educating the general public about the evidence, the key storylines, etc.

        • civil says:

          I assume the depositions were all done under oath, and if some weren’t, 18 USC § 1001 still applies. It’s important to me that the committee gather as much accurate, relevant information as they can, but it’s not important to me that they do that all or even mostly in public. It’s important to me they eventually carry out public hearings and release public reports that effectively communicate what they’ve learned. I don’t believe that designing those is a simple task, nor the same as hearings aimed at info gathering. (As a teacher educator/researcher in a different field, I’m thinking about the public hearings as a kind of non-classroom education design.)

    • Peterr says:

      Well, well, well. What do you know? From the NYT:

      Ali Alexander, a prominent organizer of pro-Trump events after the 2020 election, has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department’s investigation of the attack on the Capitol last year, the first high-profile political figure known to have offered assistance to the government’s newly expanded criminal inquiry.

      Speaking through a lawyer, Mr. Alexander said on Friday that he had recently received a subpoena from a federal grand jury that is seeking information on several broad categories of people connected to pro-Trump rallies that took place in Washington after the election.

      In a statement from the lawyer, Mr. Alexander said he was taking “a cooperative posture” with the Justice Department’s investigation but did not know what useful information he could give. He also disavowed anyone who took part in or planned violence on Jan. 6.

      Shorter AA: “I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that anyone planned violence on Jan 6. But let me tell you all about it . . .”

      • TXphysicist says:

        “I genuinely had NO idea that there might be a football-like (or worse!) component to coffee boy Navarro’s ‘Green Bay Sweep’ plan. Which I just learned about for the first time on the news last week, btw.”

        If Ali Alexander doesn’t provide documentation, it’s hard for me to feel too optimistic. He’s probably “…known as a pretty forgetful guy, I think, is what people tell me. Wait do they?? Think so. Wait. Yes, that’s… I remember that now.”

        The lying demagogue truly gives license to their supporters to become serial liars themselves.

        Another biiiiiig thanks to Dr. Wheeler, yourself, bmaz, Rayne, et al. for making this content :). It truly puts some wind back in my sails to see well-researched evidence of DoJ progress upwards on J6 prosecutions, because omfg, you guys are so right, the usual “TV lawyers”… I guess the entirety of their time off-screen is preparing for or winding down from appearing on-screen? So weird.

      • Leoghann says:

        Ali’s “cooperative posture” will no doubt be similar to all his other posturing. Sadly, he’s almost as bad as Boris Johnson about telling lies that are easy to disprove. Neither the grand jury nor the Jan 6 committee will be as forgiving an audience as NewsMax and InfoWars.

      • What Constitution? says:

        That first clip takes me back. 1975, first week the movie comes out, sitting in a dark foreboding theater with my GF. Tense. The girl on the screen runs into the water. Dum dum. Dead meat, rather graphically. And my GF leans over and whispers “I guess that’s what they call a ‘bit part'”.

        It’s an excellent sound track for homing in on the seditionists, though.

        • Rayne says:

          Oh thank goodness you didn’t say you bit off your girlfriend’s fingernail while holding her hand during that scene because we’d have to have a rather awkward reunion here.

    • Leoghann says:

      Great comment! The idea of conspirators running to the DOJ to unburden themselves immediately brought to mind, “Villains!! — dissemble no more! — I admit the deed! — tear up the planks! — here, here! — it is the beating of his hideous heart!”

    • harpie says:

      So, adding the new info to that:
      – TARRIO creates the encrypted message group “MOSD Members Group” [MOSD-MG] for those prospects who had been accepted. TARRIO: “Open for business.” The group includes at least 65 members, including TARRIO, NORDEAN, BIGGS, REHL, DONOHOE, and [BERTINO, WOLKIND, STEWART]. [BERTINO] adds PEZZOLA to the MOSD-MG [NEW: DONOHOE understood that PEZZOLA had been fast-tracked into membership in the Proud Boys by TARRIO.]

    • Desider says:

      Bill Barr fast-tracked his resignation, submitted 14 Dec, but effective 23 Dec – 4 days after Trump’s “will be wild” tweet. Rather strange to resign 1 month before the end of Trump’s term to presumably spend more time with his family. So what pressed Billy Boy to resign, and how much legal liability does he hold for what he heard about Jan 6 as AG in charge of the DoJ & FBI, but did not stop or report whil still in office?

      • Rayne says:

        I think this question has been posed at least a half dozen times or more in comments since December 2020. The date Barr announced his resignation was the same day the false electors tried to certify a false election outcome in several states — the same date the Electoral College confirmed Biden’s election win. The effective date of Barr’s resignation coincided with Trump’s pardon of Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Charles Kushner. With this in mind is it really that strange Barr resigned when he did?

        (I’m not certain you published your comment in the right thread, btw. ???)

  9. clemorktahyde says:

    Long time lurker, first time commenter. I’m so very grateful for Marcy Wheeler’s great work, and for the whole team that keeps this website going. This post in particular is such a great example of why I keep coming back here for understanding.

    • bmaz says:

      Or, maybe, what was required under 2A decisions forever?

      Is that you “wohjr”? Do not sock puppet this blog. If you do, you will be done. And that is exactly what you have done.

      • Estragon says:

        My mistake. I may have posted under both over the years. No attempt to puppet. I’ll stick with this if that’s ok.

        Can you elaborate on “forever”? I thought heller specifically avoided addressing whether the 2A required the restoration of firearm rights to people convicted of crimes. I may be mis-remembering that, however.

        • bmaz says:

          Read Heller and the prior and subsequent decisions. You do not have to agree, and I certainly do not, but it is what it is.

  10. Al Ostello says:

    Thank you Dr. Wheeler!

    This article not only spells everything out, but for me, clarifies the hot mess all other reporters have made of this story.

  11. harpie says:

    ACCKK!! I’m trying to read Marcy’s tweeting of her running commentary
    on Billy BARR’s book but it is making me fvcking NUTS!!
    So, I’m back here thinking about this mess.

    • Eureka says:

      Right. I periodically check in and have to tap out. This is so much worse than when she had to read Jerome Corsi’s book due to Barr’s far greater (though some might argue that point) democracy-destroying power.

  12. harpie says:

    the conspiracy tied to obstruction, 18 USC 1512(k), can carry enhancements for things like attempted murder and attempted kidnapping, making the maximum penalty 30 years instead of 20. […] Since this post is about the passive voice, let me note that murders were attempted on January 6.

    [Not funny, but, still] LOL!

      • Doctor My Eyes says:

        Ignorance combined with indignation is highly frustrating to address. The other day on DKos, one of the whingers dismissed Tarrio as “small potatoes”, to widespread agreement.

      • Lady4real says:

        There are a lot of people in high places who are going to wish Garland had ascended to SCOTUS, instead of ringing a lot of bells (upside their heads with serious charges).

  13. harpie says:

    About “plans were announced”: very similar language was used in the superseding indictment. [pdf10/30] immediately after the heading: Acts in Furtherance of the Conspiracy. What’s very interesting to me there is that the very first thing they wrote about what happened after that [paraphrasing for the TL]:

    12/19/20 BIGGS to TARRIO [private message]: [Proud Boys] “recruit losers who wanna drink.” [] “Let’s get radical and get real men.”

    I really think this message from Joe BIGGS [former employee of Alex JONES] very much got under Enrique TARRIO’s very thin “Western Chauvinist” skin, and precipitated the COORDINATION
    between PB’s and RHODES/OK’s [ie: the REAL men.]

    • Eureka says:

      That’s a good point about the source of any “real men”. I imagine (or have) for provincial reasons they might have liked to hustle some militants off the street under their own umbrella, but lack of time and, similarly, of motivation (they are what they attract) would leave them short for the occasion. Besides things like maybe escalating the rank of strays like Pezzola, who else new did they really get (that they could trust). Not much left option-wise but for them to settle on alliances like that.

      And besides all the FL (&TX)-tentacled busy beavers we have yet to hear about NJ OK Breheny’s regional inter-militia planning meeting of 1/3 [no hint or whisper of PBs in that so far, AFAIK].

  14. harpie says:

    The statement of offense makes clear that Tarrio told Donohoe and other Ministry of Self Defense leaders about what their plan was, but doesn’t reveal what he has shared, particularly what he shared about direct planning with people close to Trump. Indeed, the language of the statement of offense leaves open the possibility that Tarrio was moving on this even before the public launch of the riot by Trump.

    Many people think the 12/12/20 MILLION MAGA Rally was pivotal.

    – approx. 9:00 AM TARRIO “WarTime Tarrio” [Parler] says he’s at the WHITE HOUSE [PHOTO]
    9:59 AM TRUMP tweets: Wow! Thousands of people forming in Washington (D.C.) for Stop the Steal. Didn’t know about this, but I’ll be seeing them! #MAGA.
    – Second MILLION MAGA rally

    – TRUMP flies over the scene in Marine One
    – JONES, STONE and ALEXANDER speak;
    – FLYNN and RHODES speak at Jericho March
    [RHODES calls on TRUMP to invoke the Insurrection Act to remain in power, threatening that if he did not do so, the OK’s would be forced to engage in a “‘much more desperate [and] much more bloody war’ to ensure that outcome.]

    – OATH KEEPER MINUTA is photographed with PROUD BOY PEZZOLA. [This is the photo that TARRIO posts on Parler on 12/31/20]
    – TARRIO burns BLM banner for which he is arrested on 1/4/21
    – HOFFSTETTER/TAYLOR Huntington Beach Rally

  15. harpie says:

    There are many things this statement of offense does with that masterful use of the passive voice. It implicates, without mentioning, people like Peter Navarro and Ali Alexander, the former because he was mentioned in the tweet and the latter because he was organizing it.

    Maybe also:
    12/19/20 K. KREMER tweets: “The Calvary [sic] is coming, Mr. President!”

    • Peterr says:

      So Kremer thinks Trump is going to get crucified?

      If so, he’d be the thief who insulted Jesus while they were both being crucified.

      (I think I’ll leave this out of my Good Friday sermon, though.)

      • Eureka says:

        Whenever I see that tweet I go straight to the root and see a skull cap. So we have different ~ jargon biases that converge in harmony nonetheless — if the calvarium takes more time to show up…

        Good call on the sermon, prob. [Though on second thought, I feel confident that you could work it in to some figurative fruits.]

  16. harpie says:

    Two tweets from Marcy’s THREAD on this:
    12:06 PM · Apr 8, 2022

    Wow. “It soon became evident to Donohoe that Nordean and Biggs did not intend to lead the group back to President Trump’s speech.”

    The fact that the PBs never went to the speech has always been really damning. [screenshot from par. 27.]

    This is a detail that intrigues me: as if there was a specifically chosen group of thugs to flesh out the Proud Boys. [screenshot from par. 34.]
    [> 12:53 PM “at least one other large group appeared to arrive at that location at the same time.”]

  17. harpie says:

    11/5/20 9:12 AM TRUMP Tweets: STOP THE COUNT!

    11/5/20 12:51 PM JUNIOR DON text to MEADOWS:
    “It’s very simple” [] “We have multiple paths We control them all.” [] “We have operational control Total leverage” [] “Moral High Ground POTUS must start 2nd term now.” [] [secretaries of state should] “step in” [] [forward separate slates of ] “Trump electors” [] “Republicans control Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina etc we get Trump electors” [] “Republicans control 28 states Democrats 22 states” [] “Once again Trump wins.” [] “We either have a vote WE control and WE win OR it gets kicked to Congress 6 January 2021.” []

    Trump Jr. ends his November 5 text by calling for a litany of personnel moves to solidify his father’s control over the government by putting loyalists in key jobs and initiate investigations into the Biden family. [] “Fire Wray; Fire Fauci” [] [JUNIOR] proposes making former acting Director of National Intelligence Ric GRENELL interim head of the FBI and having […] BARR “select Special prosecutor on HardDrivefromHell Biden crime family.”

    ‘We control them all’: Donald Trump Jr. texted Meadows ideas for overturning 2020 election before it was called 3:56 PM, April 8, 2022

  18. Savage Librarian says:

    Fee, Fum, Foe, Fie

    More than an apple of my eye:
    All the MAGA’s baked in a pie,
    standing back & standing by,
    answered my calling and let it fly.

    If I told them “do or die”,
    they’d not ask once or reason why,
    I set their vengeance so damn high,
    they let loose their battle cry.

    I just had to give them my
    Fee, fum, foe, fie,
    together with Trump’s Big Lie,
    ‘cause MAGA mobsters are not shy.

    Back made a stand & so did by,
    I hardly even had to try,
    because I’m just that kind of guy,
    Fee, fum, foe, fie.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      SL, in addition to creating your own creepily addictive verse, you raised something I’ve been thinking about too: wasn’t Trump’s exhortation during that first debate (“Stand back and stand by”) his first public directive to the foot soldiers who would execute his plan?

      Not the December 19 tweet, which was simply a signpost. He knew by the end of September 2020 he would not win the election, and was already seeding elements of the insurrection (e.g., talking about mail-in ballot fraud where none existed). But it was already a safe bet for him that one of those elements would be violence, and who better to supply it than his PB and OK supporters? This wasn’t a dog whistle. It was an order from the Commander in Chief.

  19. Hoping4Better_Times says:

    Merrick Garland directed the public to “stand back” and “standby,” asserting that DOJ would investigate the facts and follow the law. The Donohoe plea and SOO restores my faith that DOJ is building case(s) against the worst offenders and not just the trespassing “normies.” The Jan 6 Committee’s has dropped some eye-popping tidbits to the public record. More will follow when they do public hearings. The third source of public information on Jan 6. may come from the three Civil lawsuits filed against trump, the proud boys and the oath keepers. Judge Mehta named Roger Stone as the linchpin between/among trump the proud boys and the oath keepers.

    • bmaz says:

      Stand back and stand by was Trump. Let’s be careful as to what is “in the public record” and what is really “evidence”.

      • Makeitso says:

        Um, everything in the public eye is evidence. Whether it is admissible or not is another question. Pretty much anything you say in public heard by another is probably admissible against/for you. Whether Garland feels he has, or will have, enough evidence in the next seven months to indict is the open question. Once 2023 rolls around and primary season begins, Trump is untouchable if he is running.

        Part of me suspects he may announce earlier if he feels Garland is about to indict. Trump is no fool- he knows the repubs will never accept an indictment of him in primary season.

        • bmaz says:

          The only evidence that matters to me is what can be admitted. And, no, he would not “be untouchable”.

        • Makeitso says:

          I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone would think Trump would be indicted once he announces he is running to be the republican nominee for president. These are not ordinary times and this is not the ordinary republican party. This is not Gerald Ford territory.

          This is a party accusing the dems of pedophilia. This a party that accused the first black woman nominee to SCOTUS of being partial to child molesters. This is a party wherein the majority believe the election was stolen. This is the party of Q.

          And pray tell what evidence do you have that the dems/Garland have the balls to indict the presumptive republican nominee for president- cause if Trump is running he is clearly gonna win the republican primary for president?

        • bmaz says:

          This is just unmitigated baloney. He has effectively already announced he is running, so your paradigm is nonsense. The only constraint on charging are the constraints contained in at least three DOJ memos. All are very similar and the only real concern starts as to the first actual primary election. And even that is ambiguous and non-binding. And, even then the AH and PIN can waive it and allow investigation and/or charging to proceed if warranted. In this case the investigation has been long ongoing and the public already knows it. Oh, and by the way, there is a grand jury working on the issue.

          The premise is to not prejudice a candidate. But that does not only involve Trump, by “not” indicting Trump when he should be prejudices any opponents, whether Republican or Democratic. So, you are quite wrong on this. DOJ will plug along and indict off and when it is appropriate. And “pray tell” what evidence “you” have that they won’t do their job? This is just more bullshit trying to tie the DOJ to the political madness some citizens seem to perceive.

          “These are not ordinary times and this is not the ordinary republican party. This is not Gerald Ford territory.”

          Suck it up and get a grip.

        • Makeitso says:

          The grip or gripe is that some people think we are in normal times and others think not. Some think this is a normal repub party and others do not.

          Do I HOPE Garland will indict no matter when he makes that conclusion? Sure.

          For you, hope springs eternal; for me, it ends when Trump formally announces.

          You have no more ‘proof’ of Garland’s plans than anyone else who has pontificated upon this matter. Reasonable people can look at what has transpired since 1/6 and see different outcomes. For example, I see the TIMES burying of Don Jr’s admission he planned to overturn the election as emblematic of our current political problems. And the DOJ is a political institution.

        • bmaz says:

          Lol, keep blathering on. You have evidenced yourself to be yet another crank that doesn’t really understand the justice system and thinks it is about your own personal political beliefs. It is not. Your constant intonation of “normal times” is irrelevant. You would have the Biden DOJ act like that of Trump, and that is pathetic.

        • Rayne says:

          Dude. We get it. How many goddamned times do we have to hear “GARLAND’S DOING NOTHING!!!” or “THE HOUSE J6 COMMITTEE’S DOING NOTHING!!!” every damned thread, every damned day? We’re not your bloody whipping boys.

          Do something constructive about it and stop this particular whine in our threads. CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AND SENATORS. Make them feel the pain for this, not us. We are not your representatives, they are; they’re supposed to provide oversight which is what you fucking pay them to do with your tax dollars. They’re supposed to provide legislation to ensure office holders appointed and elected uphold and defend the Constitution.

          Congressional switchboard: (202) 224-3121 or use

          And then go do something to make sure people turn out to vote in November because all the screaming “THEY’RE DOING NOTHING!!!” only turns off voters when we need them the most. Thanks for helping the fascists, though.

          Jesus, I need drink and I’ve only just started reading today’s new comments.

        • Makeitso says:

          The two of you : I never said Garland is doing nothing; I did not mention the committee. You made that up

          All I said is that time is running out. I have forgotten more about how justice works than you can recall. I worked defending people- did you? I did appeals. Did you? Seriously, the attitude is baffling. You just want to be reassured everything is ok. Fine. Everything is ok.

          As far as my reps in congress: I live in east TN; as red an area as there is for Trump. I have done as much political stuff as I can in my past as a union organizer and pd. Today? Here? I talk to people and try to get them to think about their choices.

        • bmaz says:

          No, you have been blowing exactly that bullshit.

          “I have forgotten more about how justice works than you can recall.”

          Really, you arrogant little internet commenter? You have exhibited pretty much no “evidence” of that, in fact, quite the opposite. And, yes, asshole, I have. Been defending people over 35 years, and still am. So, please, fuck off. You are barking up the wrong tree here.

          I guess, minimally, it is positive you, at least temporarily, have quit sock pupating us with your other persona, “Caliban”.

        • Rayne says:

          No. We don’t want assurance from you. We want you to stop whining here because it doesn’t do anything constructive for this democracy while sucking up our valuable time here and chewing up thread space — a form of DDoSing.

          It doesn’t matter if you live in Tennessee. You call your reps because they are still your reps. And then you get off your ass and find the Democrats who managed to elect Democrats like Al Gore and help them take back Tennessee from fucking morons like Marsha Blackburn or give up and go out on your knees. Don’t preach to me about organizing because I’ve done my share and I’m still doing it.

          By the way, this is all the reply you’re going to get. Basta.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          LOL. What evidence have you that there is anything about TFG that Republicans won’t accept – at any time?

    • Al Ostello says:

      Be mindful of Watergate (meticulous investigations) timeline:
      Jun 1972: Watergate break in

      July 1973: Public hearings
Mar 1974: Dozens of Indictments

      Jan 1975: Dozens of convictions

      • P J Evans says:

        And [Aug 1974] Nixon resigns after being told – by senior GOP in Congress – that he’d be impeached

  20. harpie says:

    29. Shortly after 12 p.m. [12:00 PM], Nordean and Biggs directed the group to a position approximately two blocks west of the Capitol and directed them to wait. While waiting in that area, Donohoe posted that he was at the Capitol “WITH 200-300 PBS.”

    “two blocks WEST of the capitol” would be new information to me.
    I thought they arrived from the NORTH. I wonder if this is a mistake?

    • harpie says:

      Could it have something to do with this, [which I keep saying]:

      Here are the CAPITOL MAPS for reference
      [NOTE: NORTH is to the LEFT]

      They’re not really maps, but diagrams or site plans, floor plans….

  21. harpie says:

    10. Immediately after it’s formation [on 12/20/20], Tarrio and others in the MOSD leadership group began making preparations for the MOSD’s attendance in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021. Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote.

    That’s pretty blunt:
    Not DONOHOE’s purpose. NOT PB’s purpose. The RALLY PLANNERs’ purpose.

  22. Eureka says:

    Another dark money lesson from the expert:

    Sheldon Whitehouse:
    “The far-right’s dark money network is good at covering its tracks, but it isn’t perfect. Let’s follow some of these claims about Judge Jackson to the source. [video]”
    12:07 PM · Apr 9, 2022

    Two of the front groups who manufactured attacks on KBJ (“Independent Women’s Law Center”, and “Independent Women’s Voice”) were born from the prior “Women for Judge Thomas” — “Who’d spent years smearing Anita Hill”, Whitehouse says.

    At 1:06, a news clipping reads: “Women for Judge Thomas, organized by former Bush campaign press secretary Sheila Tate …”

    Tate was Nancy Reagan’s press secretary from 1981-1985 (wiki).

    # Astro(logical)turf

    Those groups created the “judicial philosophy” talking points — in IWV’s case, before KBJ was even nominated.

    Whitehouse also cites the “American Accountability Foundation” for originating the sentencing attack-line via a memo to the Senate committee — where the AAF is a “front group co-founded by the opposition researcher of a Republican presidential hopeful on the Committee.”

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Yep. And it was no coincidence that their baseless attacks on KBJ occurred simultaneously with the news of Ginni Thomas’s machinations bubbling to the surface. The best defense…

      As Eric Boehlert noted in his final post, those Thomas stories kinda went away. But we can rest assured we haven’t heard the last about “Democrat pedophile-aphilia.”

  23. harpie says:


    12. Nordean and Biggs directed the group to the Peace Circle near the Capitol grounds. Upon arriving at the Peace Circle, it was clear to Finley that the U.S. Capitol Police had barricaded the area and restricted access to it. Immediately after arriving at the pedestrian entrance, Finley saw Joe Biggs begin to lead the crowd – which included numerous members of the Proud Boys who had marched to that location – in chants, including the call and response, “Whose house? Our house!” and “Whose Capitol? Our Capitol!”

    13. Finley saw an individual walk up to one of the barricades near the pedestrian entrance and tear down barricades. The crowd, including some Proud Boys who Finley had marched with, then rushed forward past the barricades and on to the Capitol grounds. To Finley, there appeared to be a coordinated effort to pull barricades apart.

    • harpie says:


      34. Shortly before 12:53 p.m. [12:53 PM], Nordean and Biggs led the group back to the First Street pedestrian entrance near the Peace Monument. Donohoe observed that at least one other large group appeared to arrive at that location at the same time. Donohoe immediately noticed that the crowd had become more aggressive. Donohoe recognized that the handful of officers who were guarding the Capitol were severely outnumbered. Donohoe knew that the crowd was not permitted to advance past the metal barriers.

      35. Within minutes of arriving, members of the crowd breached the barriers and advanced onto Capitol grounds. Donohoe saw Nordean and Biggs advance onto Capitol grounds and followed them. Donohoe believed these actions were intended to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote.

    • harpie says:

      I broke down The JOE BIGGS MOVIE here:

      [5:11] 12:50 PM USA! Chants; they seem to be near the WEST Lawn/ Peace Monument area?
      [5:20] 12:50 PM BIGGS, NORDEAN, REHL and CROWD nearing CAPITOL
      [5:36] BIGGS [megaphone] Everybody right now!
      1] Where’s Antifa? Call/response
      2] Fuck Antifa! Call/response
      3] We want Trump!
      4] We love Trump!
      [6:41] 12:51 PM BIGGS [megaphone]:
      5] Who’s house?/Our House! Call/response
      6] 1776!
      [6:52] 12:51 PM [At the Peace Monument?]
      1776! Call/response
      MAN: Let’s go boys! Revolution!
      [7:15] MAN: I got a feeling they believe there’s five officers in the stocks [??]
      [7:21] 12:52 PM MAN: This means war! 1776!

      • harpie says:

        12:49 PM [TRUMP at the ELLIPSE] The radical left knows exactly what they’re doing. They’re ruthless and it’s time that somebody did something about it. And Mike Pence, I hope you’re going to stand up for the good of our Constitution (cheering) and for the good of our country. And if you’re not, I’m going to be very disappointed in you. I will tell you right now. I’m not hearing good stories.

        12:50 PM BIGGS [megaphone] Everybody right now! [chanting begins]

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