Must-See TV: House January 6 Committee Hearings Begin June 9 at 8:00 PM

[NB: check the byline, thanks. /~Rayne]

Schedule your evenings accordingly, people:

Apparently there are spiffy advisories with a blurb about the hearings’ subject making the rounds:

Squirrel away this link for live stream through the House J6 Committee’s website:

The folks at Just Security produced a primer on the hearings available at this link.

The content is structured into teams based on the efforts and outcomes certain groups of Trump supporters focused on in the run up to and through January 6.

At least 93 persons and organizations have been subpoenaed by the House J6 Committee to date. The hearings are working on the content produced by these subpoenas as well as other methods for obtaining evidence.

Last night CNN’s Anderson Cooper interviewed former Republican representative Denver Riggleman about the House J6 Committee’s work. It’s a +10:00 minute segment but worth your time.

A Republican with a background in national security and the military with experience in obtaining intelligence, Riggleman should be Mark Meadow’s nightmare. One might wonder if this interview was a last-ditch attempt to encourage Meadow’s full compliance with the committee’s subpoena because it sounds like Meadows is in the committee’s crosshairs. Riggleman is candid in this interview, calling the content he’s seen a horror.

Speaking of horror, Ginni Thomas is mentioned several times in this interview.

Former AG Bill Barr testified before the J6 committee today. He may have been asked about the proposed rejiggering of the Department of Justice before January 6 during this session.

Probably a last chance to buff his image and distance himself from the attack on the Capitol.

There are folks who should be squirming in Washington; there should be some preparing resignations, too.

But if the mass delusion has a stranglehold on them as well as a substantive portion of of the American right-wing, they may simply be preparing to do more damage to our democracy during the mid-term elections, and after depending on the election results.

121 replies
  1. punaise says:

    I would even miss the NBA finals for this. Fortunately there is no scheduling conflict for that date.

    • Rayne says:

      Weather permitting, I may set up a screen and projector outdoors on my deck so friends can come over and watch it with me.

        • harpie says:

          heh…I was suddenly worried something had already gone wrong! Immediately consulted calendar, and then NBA schedule. Whew!
          [Can definitely empathize with typo’s.]

        • punaise says:

          Enjoyed three quarters of a back and forth battle, and then boom – Celtics played a 4th quarter for the ages. Ouch.

        • TeeWhy says:

          And scoring 16 points in the 4th quarter will lose as often. It was a hell of a quarter.

          My theory is that the Celtics rope-a-doped them, whether intentionally or not. The score graph shows that it was the long stretches of no scoring in both the 2nd and 4th quarters is that did Golden State in. I mean, they scored 70 points in the 1st and 3rd quarters, and 38 in the other two.

          I’m not an X’s and O’s guy, so I have no idea if was an intentional strategy, but that was striking.

        • Epicurus says:

          I heard the great Frank Maguire say all basketball games go in runs and that one of the coach’s jobs in a game is to find ways to make her/his team’s runs last and to stop the other team’s runs. The C’s have the offense to continue their runs and the defense to stop the other team’s runs. Their coach has been putting that in practice since December. Should be a good series.

        • TeeWhy says:

          Jalen Rose just made an interesting point, in that most of those fourth quarter threes were over the exhausted outstretched hand pf Steph Curry. They were targeting him for threes specifically.

        • Rayne says:

          LOL kind of — my projector screen predates the Watergate hearings, I think. It’s a hand-me-down from a friend, an old Da-Lite ‘Silver-lite’ from the 1950s. It works well with a digital projector I bought in summer of 2020 to screen movies with friends during the early pandemic. I just pop my Roku USB dongle into the projector and stream from YouTube assuming it will be uploaded to that platform.

          Just pop some corn in the microwave, crack a few beers, and try to keep the hooting and hollering to a minimum so as not to upset my elderly neighbors.

        • Peterr says:

          Invite them over and tell them you’ll share your beer.

          I predict that some of the loudest hoots on a night like this will come from the folks who can remember things like the McCarthy committee, the Church committee, My Lai, and yes, Watergate.

        • gmoke says:

          I watched part of the Watergate hearings in the main rotunda of MIT where they’d set up a projection TV. The technology was available then but has only now trickled down to the masses.

          There was always a good crowd of people watching the Watergate hearings there, something I don’t believe will happen with the January 6 hearings, a characteristic of these atomized times.

  2. Peterr says:

    I’ve got a big church convention I can’t miss, that starts on Thursday night. Gotta stream the hearing after I get home.

  3. holdingsteady says:

    Thanks Rayne,
    I’ll be watching one way or another.
    Is there a way for bmaz to take his basketball talk elsewhere so that this hearing can be taken seriously?
    admittedly, I’m not a sports fan – please don’t flame me,
    – Rhonda

    • punaise says:

      That’s on me – I kinda pre-hijacked this thread with a “Fitz”-ian basketball reference. Or was it Zed? That said, I believe that straying Off Topic, with some restraint, is a time honored tradition here and elseweb.

      so: Go Dubs?!

      • holdingsteady says:

        I like the question mark, since Go Dubs made think of 43
        You guys are making me want to watch the game :))) and widen my horizons.

    • Rayne says:

      I will try to remember to put up an alternate post for non-hearing discussion each night of the hearings.

      • bmaz says:

        I’d like to note that this thread was about TV viewing, and we were talking about TV viewing. I assume people have scroll function on their computers.

        • Rayne says:

          Oh man, are you seriously going to try your lawerly ju-ju to claim this post was about watching TV in general instead of the House J6 Committee’s televised hearings?

          That’s it, I’m going to take over Trash Talk and cut off the bourbon!

        • holdingsteady says:

          Your assumption is correct, fair point :)
          Waiting for the scroll function to be developed for my brain though.
          Anyway, I mean it, enjoy the game, sorry if I’m a curmudgeon.
          You guys all make me laugh and think so much, thanks!

        • holdingsteady says:

          Since there are no worries, I shall be a curmudgeon again and also too shall be sorry about it – here goes:
          I despise the phrase ‘no worries’

        • holdingsteady says:

          Frankly? I don’t either.
          You could at least say ‘enjoy your hearing’ since I sincerely offered you ‘enjoy your game’.

        • rip says:

          Totally agreeing with you there, HS. I remember first hearing this as some waiter/ress delivered my meal and I said “Thank you.”

          “No worries” was the response. As if I had caused them some worry?

          I might have considered “No tippie canoe, either.”

          BTW, also agreeing that arguing about some tiddle-wink game in the middle of some erudite discussion – especially about a nave having ‘apses in judgement’ is inappropriate.

        • bmaz says:

          Yeah, we do not need your, or Holdingsteady’s, help. Neither of you are our content monitor nor tone police. We have talked sports here since day one. And will continue to. Take your “tiddlywinks” and run along, “nave”. Or did you mean “knave”?

          And, by the way, “nave”, did you see how Nadal dominated in the French Open this morning? Are you ready for the Celtics/Warriors game tonight, “nave”?

          As to “no worries”, lol, I tried to be nice. Guess that was not good enough for you persnickety internet content monitors. So sorry, have a nice day!

        • holdingsteady says:

          I think you’re correct to call my dislike of ‘no worries’ persnickety rather than curmudgeonly. I’ve used the term and my kids seem to use it – recently a neighbor said it about her dog and I love dogs but it was ambiguous and left me disliking the term since I didn’t know what she meant so I guess I had a bee in my bonnet. And she’s an awesome person.

          Oh well, I’m bad at internet commentary and regret complaining about the term. Thanks for trying to be nice, bmaz.

          Thanks rip, for understanding about the ambiguity of the term. A lot of people use it, and perhaps I was out of line to complain. All done now,

  4. Charles Wolf says:

    “There are folks who should be squirming in Washington; there should be some preparing resignations, too.”

    I wonder if any of them will be “jumping” out windows.

  5. punaise says:

    Merrick Garland “fears no person,” says legal scholar Norm Eisen — and he’s coming for Trump |

    “Based on the evidence we’ve seen so far, those hearings are going to be very dynamic. Undoubtedly, even with all the leaks, we’ve just seen the tip of the iceberg.”

  6. grennan says:

    “Resignations” makes sense only if it’s referring to current GOP members of Congress. While some employed by the previous administration are still working in Washington, their resignations from a think tank, lobbying firm or interest group, or news organization wouldn’t be so interesting.

    The former guy is wailing about “counterprogramming” the hearings.

    Pops Cheney, who as a former congressperson gets to visit the House floor, stopped in a few months ago to visit the committee and was introduced all around by Rep. Cheney. One of the committee’s “story blocks” will involve the legal role of the U.S. vice president, and Judge Luttig, author of the paper that provided Pence with arguments, is expected to testify.

    It’s somewhere between possible and probable that former V.P.s Quayle, Gore, and Pop Cheney will be called. The weekend before the 6th, Pence consulted Quayle (who became an unlikely hero by saying very firmly that there were no options. None.)

    Both Quayle and Gore had the unpleasant job of certifying the guys who beat them (a nice progression, Quayle to Gore; Gore to Chaney.) Quayle could also talk about the Pence call; Gore could say he begged Barbara Boxer and the Dem. congressperson whose name I can’t remember NOT to object to the Bush/Cheney certification.

    Those three former V.P.s would also testify that nobody had erected gallows in 1992, 1996 or 2000, 2004 or 2008. That segues to “how did we get to this point” setting up the next story blocks.

      • grennan says:


        You are a righteous-minded, substantive attorney. The purpose is not to convince the already-repulsed (or the other end of the bell curve), but to show how horrible 1/6 was and how many moving pieces it involved.

        And that this transcends partisanship. In a sense, Quayle, Gore and Pop Cheney would be standing for our history. Pop Cheney has actually spoken fondly of the Vice Presidency as employee of the legislative branch, not the executive, and how the VP’s paychecks are literally from Congress. Al Gore’s father was in the senate and I think one of their forefathers was also a VP. ,

        Moreover, if Al Gore does go on, it’s a great reminder of Bush v. Gore.

        • bmaz says:

          Lol, what a bunch of shit, having Gore and Cheney “testify” accomplishes absolutely nothing whatsoever. Quayle is a very limited fact witness, at best. Ilf this is the kind of bogus theater they are ginning up, count me out.

        • Rayne says:

          Come on, bmaz. This isn’t about you and most of the kind of folks who frequent sites like this. It’s for the typically politically uninformed average American who needs to understand that in their lifetime the transition of power occurred even after a contested election (Gore) and after an attack on the country (Cheney) without an assault on the Capitol to obstruct the certification of election or with threats to the life of the Vice President. The average American needs to hear from both a Democratic and a Republican VP that what happened was grossly abnormal, unacceptable, and a threat to the country; it needs to become part of Congressional record.

          Take a look at what’s playing out in the right-wing and its media ecosphere: they trying to call the committee and its hearings a coup, they’re even trying to blame the J6 attack on Antifa even after all this time. The J6 committee will have to provide an education to the average American about what really happened including the background.

          You know this. Please think about that audience and what they need to fully understand the magnitude of the crimes.

          Fuck. I just wrote a post, didn’t I.

        • bmaz says:

          Lol, I don’t care putting on a dog and pony show with Chehey and Gore is a ridiculous idea and a waste of precious hearing time. If people are so stupid and uninformed as to not understand the past power transfers, this nonsense will not help them. Spend time on the actual facts, not some 6th grade level bullshit.

        • Rayne says:

          If only we didn’t live in a 6th grade level world. Trump wouldn’t have had a chance back in 2016 if we didn’t.

    • harpie says:

      Something these people could enlighten us on:

      January 5, 2022

      […] the DOJ prosecutor guiding DOJ’s use of 18 USC 1512(c)(2) to charge those who participated in the insurrection, James Pearce, has already noted, one way an unnamed person just like Trump might act corruptly would be by asking someone else to violate their duty: […]

      By publicly releasing those Hannity texts, the Select Committee may have made proof that Trump knew his request to Pence was illegal available to DOJ. […]

      Also I’d be interested in hearing about the open letter Papa CHENEY and ALL 10 living former Defense Secretaries published in WaPo on 1/3/21.

  7. Molly Pitcher says:

    Talk about hiding your light under a bushel basket !! Why on Earth is this not on a major network? What good is this on some obscure link?? The people who NEED to see it will never look for it, much less find it.

    In 1973, from May 17 to November 15, the Watergate hearings were covered gavel to gavel on television and NPR all day long. Then in the evening, Americans all over the country tuned in for the 8 PM ET taped rebroadcast, replayed every evening for those who worked during the day.

    I am pissed. The only people who will watch this are the political junkies like Us.

    • gknight says:

      Earlier this morning I read that not only will CNN show the first hearing live but ABC has decided to, also. After reading the above post I tried and failed to find the source of this information.

    • Ruth Crosby says:

      I suspect that most news channels will carry it live, like they did when the police officers who were present that day testified. And for such high profile events, even newspapers like WaPo usually carry a live stream. The link Rayne provided may be a “just in case”, or possibly one untainted by commentary/commercials, etc.

    • Ruthie says:

      I suspect that most news channels will carry it live, like they did when the police officers who were present that day testified. And for such high profile events, even newspapers like WaPo usually carry a live stream. The link Rayne provided may be a “just in case”, or possibly one untainted by commentary/commercials, etc.

      • Rayne says:

        The House J6 streaming link is definitely my failover. I’m counting on YouTube stream myself.

        The one cable network which is most likely to not cover or offer crappy coverage is of course Fox News. Wouldn’t want to cut into Cucker Tarlson’s slot.

  8. !? says:

    I’m looking forward to the summary of the Secret Service actions & observations around Pence & Trump throughout the day.

    • timbo says:

      I’m looking forward to a summary of those actions in the days and weeks leading up to Jan 6 2021 from the preceding November.

  9. Doctor Cyclops says:

    “But if the mass delusion has a stranglehold on them as well as a substantive portion of the American right-wing, they may simply be preparing to do more damage to our democracy during the mid-term elections, and after depending on the election results.”
    When a delusion is shared by sufficient numbers it becomes an Article of Faith.

    • Rayne says:

      We’ve known since before Meadows released those 2319 texts last December he was in deep. Meadows’ ongoing refusal to comply with the House J6 committee’s subpoena still looks bad, though; why would he risk a second obstruction charge?

      • harpie says:

        One text from that article I found interesting was actually from 1/5/21 from MT Greene to Meadows. It mentions both Linsey Graham and Trump:

        1/5/21 2:30 PM GREENE to MEADOWS: Last night Sen Graham told me that if I found 100 names of dead voters in GA that he would object. I have 100 dead voters names!! [] Tell President Trump!

        < M: Send them to him [] Do you have senator Graham’s contact
        <G: I do [] His cell
        < M: Yes

        • harpie says:

          “Last night” [being 1/4/21], in EASTMAN emails:

          RUDY, BANNON, KERIK and OTHERS [were] discussing a memo to Sen. Lindsey Graham, who they say asked for info about dead voters. [screenshot]

          From: [redacted]
          To: [4 names redacted, maybe last one begins with capitol B+ KERIK]
          Date: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:29:32 PM
          “Mayor, attached please find” […] “I would recommend that if we wish to provide information other than verified numbers and names, that we do it in a separate memo” […] [Graham has asked for verified numbers/names], “which he thinks will resonate with the intended audience.”

          “From” is redacted; “To” OTHERS; “intended audience” [PENCE?]

          From: 10:04 PM · May 26, 2022

        • grennan says:

          That almost sounds like makework, assigned by Graham.

          But…he also made at least one call to Georgia election officials, although as an attorney was presumably more oblique than Trump’s ‘perfect call’.

          This subplot will appear again in the mushrooming Georgia investigation.

  10. harpie says:

    Rayne: But if the mass delusion has a stranglehold on them as well as a substantive portion of of the American right-wing, they may simply be preparing to do more damage to our democracy during the mid-term elections, and after depending on the election results.

    I don’t think there’s any “IF” about it.

    Scoop: Trumpworld plots Jan. 6 counterprogramming blitz 6/2/22

    ‘It’s going to be an army’: Tapes reveal GOP plan to contest elections
    Placing operatives as poll workers and building a “hotline” to friendly attorneys are among the strategies to be deployed in Michigan and other swing states. 6/1/22

    • Rayne says:

      Yes and no — some of this is business as usual for the GOP. They’re allocating more resources to it when they establish physical “community centers” like those reported in that second piece by POLITICO. It’s hardly a surprise they’re going after Democratic strongholds in Michigan because they’ve always done so to some degree. They don’t have a problem with Democratic voters in targeted areas knowing about it right now because they want to demoralize and discourage turnout.

      If anything it’s a good indicator they’re worried.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        Yes, and thanks for the reassurance on this, Rayne and harpie. As I watch my beloved Michigan from afar I sometimes forget that national reporters are also watching from afar, and don’t really know the long history of these battles in the state.

        The counties where my family has a footprint, Benzie and Washtenaw, are disparate and in many ways not reflective of the state as a whole, although Michigan is a true patchwork state made of radically disparate counties/communities. Since the deVos family takeover those differences have been increasingly weaponized for the sake of right-wing victories, with people like J Granholm trying to stand up and hold the state for something other than a Hillsdale, dominionist future. Glad to know someone(s) else is paying attention of such a high caliber.

        • Rayne says:

          The establishment of the Michigan Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission (MICRC) through a 2018 ballot initiative has been another bright spot for the state. MIGOP state legislators have repeatedly tried to undermine this commission, but the state’s supreme court has upheld the voters’ decision to add the state’s constitution ensuring redistricting would not skew hard right as it did in 2010. (The composition of the current MI state supreme court has also been a bright spot — not as hard right as it was a handful of years ago.)

          With the more neutral redistricting, the MIGOP is very concerned about districts which have both shifted somewhat left and have been changed a bit by the redistricting process. Predictably, it will be the area between Detroit to the south and Flint to the north which will be most sensitive, and MIGOP’s activities reflect this. The two seats I’m most worried about are Dan Kildee’s and Elissa Slotkin’s — they could use some financial love for their campaigns.

  11. harpie says:

    I’m going to try to synthesize and annotate a TL from these four articles:

    [A] Trump Said to Have Reacted Approvingly to Jan. 6 Chants About Hanging Pence The House committee investigating the Capitol assault has heard accounts of the former president’s remarks as he watched the riot unfold on television. Haberman / Broadwater May 25, 2022
    [B] Before Jan. 6, Aide Warned Secret Service of Security Risk to Pence New details flesh out how the pressure campaign by Donald J. Trump and his allies to block certification of the 2020 election left the vice president’s staff fearing for his safety. Haberman June 3, 2022
    [C] Memo from Trump attorney outlined how Pence could overturn election, says new book ABC News’ Jonathan Karl covers the story in his new book on Trump’s presidency. https://abcnews.go [DOT] com/Politics/memo-trump-attorney-outlined-pence-overturn-election-book/story?id=81134003 11/14/21
    [D] Mike Pence’s team could see the storm coming https://www.washingtonpost [DOT] com/politics/2022/06/03/mike-pences-team-could-see-storm-coming/ Bump 6/3/11

  12. harpie says:

    I’m going to try to synthesize and annotate a TL from these four articles:

    [A] Trump Said to Have Reacted Approvingly to Jan. 6 Chants About Hanging Pence The House committee investigating the Capitol assault has heard accounts of the former president’s remarks as he watched the riot unfold on television. Haberman 5/25/22
    [B] Before Jan. 6, Aide Warned Secret Service of Security Risk to Pence New details flesh out how the pressure campaign by Donald J. Trump and his allies to block certification of the 2020 election left the vice president’s staff fearing for his safety. Haberman 6/3/22
    [C] Memo from Trump attorney outlined how Pence could overturn election, says new book ABC News’ Jonathan Karl covers the story in his new book on Trump’s presidency. [ABC link in next comment] 11/14/21
    [D] Mike Pence’s team could see the storm coming [WaPo link in next comment] Bump 6/3/11

    • harpie says:

      11/XX/20 “A few weeks after Election Day on Nov. 3, 2020, aides to Mr. Pence learned that some in Mr. Trump’s loose network of advisers were discussing the possibility of Jan. 6, 2021 — set under statute as the day of the Electoral College certification — as a potentially critical date in Mr. Trump’s efforts to stay in power. Soon, Mr. Pence asked his general counsel, Greg JACOB, to write a memo explaining what his powers were during the certification. [B]

      1/4/21 8:51 PM MST
      Subject: Fwd: Draft 2, with edits
      Attachment(s): “2020-11-18 Chesebro memo on real deadlines.pdf”
      Here’s the dec 13 email with 12A at end
      [SEE: 10:04 PM · May 26, 2022 [link] [Exhibit A: [p2/6]

      12/XX/20 [Late December] while PENCE is on vacation in Vail, his aides receive a request from AZ GOP chair Kelli WARD for PENCE to meet with POWELL. [B]

      12/31/20 MEADOWS sends memo to SHORT with a detailed plan for undoing the election, written by Jenna ELLIS [C]

      1/1/21 MCENTEE sends memo to SHORT:

      1/6/21: GIULIANI speech: Number one: Every single thing that has been outlined as the plan for today, is perfectly legal. I have Professor EASTMAN here with me to say a few words about that. He’s one of the preeminent constitutional scholars in the United States. (cheering) It is perfectly appropriate, given the questionable constitutionality of the Election Counting Act of 1887, that the Vice President can cast it aside, and he can do what a president called Jefferson did, when he was Vice President. (cheering) He can decide, he can decide on the validity of these crooked ballots, or he can send it back to the legislatures, give them five to ten days to finally finish the work. We now have letters from five legislatures begging us to do that.

      1/4/21 [Before flying to Georgia at about 6:30 PM] “TRUMP demands PENCE meet with EASTMAN: “You really need to listen to John. He’s a respected constitutional scholar” [] “Hear him out. Listen. Listen to John.” [B] [D]

      “Eastman appeared to acknowledge that Mr. Pence did not have the power to arbitrarily settle the election. Still, he maintained that the vice president could send the results back to states to re-evaluate the results over a 10-day recess.”

      TRUMP Tweets: 1/4/21 6:36 PM Heading to Georgia now. See you soon!

      1/4/21 TRUMP at GA rally: “I hope Mike Pence comes through for us,”[] “I have to tell you I hope that our great vice president comes through for us. He’s a great guy. Of course, if he doesn’t come through, I won’t like him quite as much.” [C]

      • harpie says:

        I want to flag the name and date of that CHESEBRO pdf because I’m not sure it’s been mentioned anywhere.

        • Rayne says:

          Hey harpie — I wonder if we need a separate document as a repository for folks who weren’t in the conspiracy/ies but who could accurately see what was coming? Congress needs to deal with fixing the J6 security failures after all. This tweet thread was particularly accurate.

        • harpie says:

          I’ve never seen that thread…wow!
          That might be a good idea…do you know of others, in particular?

        • Rayne says:

          Not off the top of my head but then I wasn’t paying attention as I should have been. I think Jim Stewart who’s been booted from Twitter was another person who saw the potential for trouble; I recall him saying no one on the left should go to DC on January 6 but I can’t recall if he gave specific reasons why they shouldn’t go. I’m sure there were more out there who warned others; did they do so because they saw evidence of planning?

        • harpie says:

          I’ll try to go through my docs from that time period…also, maybe some comment threads…might come up with something.

        • harpie says:

          I found one thing from the TL so far. The comment is in moderation at the end of this section…Considering “winter palace” and PB Seditious Conspiracy indictment, maybe we should concentrate our thoughts a bit on 12/30/20 and 12/31 20, and get a clean update on that time period.

          Maybe we will soon be zeroing in on
          BANNON, STONE and FLYNN.

    • harpie says:


      AM “Trump tweets on the morning of Jan. 5 that Mr. Pence could reject electors. He had tried to persuade some of his informal advisers outside the White House to go to the Naval Observatory, the vice president’s official residence, to seek an audience to pressure Mr. Pence.” [B]

      TRUMP Tweets:
      9:50 AM Pleased to announce that @KLoeffler & @sendavidperdue have just joined our great #StopTheSteal group of Senators. They will fight the ridiculous Electoral College Certification of Biden. How do you certify numbers that have now proven to be wrong and, in many cases, fraudulent!

      11:06 AM The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors.

      Early EVENING TRUMP and PENCE meet at the WH about Jan. 6. [B] PENCE tells TRUMP “that experts flatly rejected the president’s plan, Trump shouting, “No, no, no!” in response.” TRUMP to PENCE [if he failed to go ahead with the plan, Trump would no longer be his friend.] “You’ve betrayed us. I made you. You were nothing. Your career is over if you do this.” [D]

      TIME??? SHORT calls Pence’s lead Secret Service agent, Tim GIEBELS to his West Wing office, and tells him that “the president was going to turn publicly against the vice president, and there could be a security risk to Mr. Pence because of it.” [B]

      See this THREAD about TRUMP’s actions after meeting with PENCE:
      12:49 PM · Oct 23, 2021
      thread on Willard from “Peril” // After Pence leaves Oval on Jan. 5, Trump is furious. Pence isn’t breaking. […] Trump decides to act, with help from Willard war room. Push Pence to brink. […]

      Before 10:03 PM TRUMP campaign releases STATEMENT claiming that the president and Pence were in “total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act.” SHORT phones J. MILLER to complain [D]
      [From Costa THREAD above]: Miller refused to retract a word. “The vice president has the ability to do this, he needs to be loyal”

      1/6/21 12:47 AM TRUMP tweets: “[i]f Vice President [Pence] comes through for us, we will win the Presidency.” [D]

      1/6/21 12:47 AM TRUMP Tweet: RT @DanScavino: [speaker emoji] WOW! We hear you from the West Wing—THANK YOU [heart, flag, eagle emojis] [VIDEO] [Links to: DanScavino tweet from 5:30 PM · Jan 5, 2021]

      1:00 AM If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency. Many States want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect & even fraudulent numbers in a process NOT approved by their State Legislatures (which it must be). Mike can send it back!

      • harpie says:

        There’s a screenshot of TRUMP’s STATEMENT here:
        10:03 PM · Jan 5, 2021

        Statement from President Donald J. Trump
        “The New York Times report regarding comments Vice President Pence supposedly made to me today is fake news. He never said that. The Vice President and I are in total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act.

        “The November 3rd election was corrupt in contested states, and in particular it was not in accordance with the Constitution in that they made large scale changes to election rules and regulations as dictated by local judges and politicians, not by state legislators. This means that it was illegal.

        “Our Vice President has several options under the U.S. Constitution. He can decertify the results or send them to the House of Representatives for the one vote for one state tabulation.”

      • harpie says:

        Some context for 1/5/21:

        [??] HANNITY to MEADOWS text: “Pence pressure. WH counsel will leave.”

        [??] Scott PERRY [R-PA] to MEADOWS text: “Please check your signal”

        9:29 PM EASTMAN emails Pence General Counsel JACOB:

        Good talk earlier tonight.
        Major new development attached. This is huge, as it now looks like PA Legislature will vote to recertify its electors if Vice President Pence implements the plan we discussed.


        10:00 PM [approx] TRUMP says in a [FALSE] statement:

        […] The Vice President and I are in total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act. [Pence can] decertify the results or send them back to the states for change and certification or send them to the House. […]

    • harpie says:


      11:20 AM TRUMP phones PENCE: “You can be a patriot or you can be a pussy.” [C] [D]


      12:15 PM “If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election” [] “All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people” [] “Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country.” [] “You’ll never take back our country with weakness”
      12:49 PM “Mike Pence, I hope you’re going to stand up for the good of our Constitution and for the good of our country. And if you’re not, I’m going to be very disappointed in you. I will tell you right now. I’m not hearing good stories.”
      1:00 PM [approx] [The Republicans] want to play so straight. They want to play so, sir, yes, the United States, the Constitution doesn’t allow me to send them back to the States. Well, I say, yes it does, because the Constitution says you have to protect our country and you have to protect our Constitution, and you can’t vote on fraud. And fraud breaks up everything, doesn’t it? When you catch somebody in a fraud, you’re allowed to go by very different rules. // So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do. And I hope he doesn’t listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he’s listening to.

      1:00 PM [approx] PENCE office releases letter to Congress, making clear that he disagrees with TRUMP about VP’s power to intervene in the certification. [B]

      “As a student of history … I do not believe that the Founders of our country intended to invest the Vice President with unilateral authority to decide which electoral votes should be counted during the Joint Session of Congress…”

      2:13 PM [According to 2 witnesses] MEADOWS is with TRUMP in dining room off Oval Office watching the insurrection on TV. Rioters are chanting “Hang Mike Pence!”. MEADOWS returns to his office and tells “colleagues that [] Trump was complaining that the PENCE was being whisked to safety. [ie: 2:13 PM] and that “Mr. Trump had said something to the effect of, maybe Mr. Pence should be hanged.” [A]

      But Trump told [J.] Karl that he never contacted his vice president to check on his safety.
      “No, I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape,” Trump told Karl. “No, because I had heard he was in very good shape.”
      Pressed about the chants, Trump told Karl that Pence made a mistake in certifying the vote.
      “He could have — well, the people were very angry,” Trump said. “If you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress? How can you do that?” Trump said. [C]

      2:13 PM GIEBELS rushes PENCE from the Senate chamber

      “and took him to an underground loading dock. The vice president refused to get in a waiting car, despite Mr. Giebels’s repeated urging, believing it would let the rioters and others score a victory against a core democratic process, his aides have said.

      Mr. Pence stayed there for hours, until it was safe to return to the Senate chamber, where he insisted on finishing the certification process. [B]

      2:24 PM TRUMP tweets: [D]

      Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth! [Twitter: This claim about election fraud is disputed]

      PENCE to GIEBELS: “I’m not getting in the car, Tim” [] “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.” [D]

      Keith KELLOGG [PENCE National Security Advisor] [at the WH] to “a Secret Service agent”: “Leave him where he’s at. He’s got a job to do” [] “I know you guys too well. You’ll fly him to Alaska if you have a chance. Don’t do it.” [D]

      [Bump]: It is not a stretch to think Pence and his team, including Short and Kellogg, had discussed what they might expect in the aftermath of the vice president formally and publicly rejecting Trump’s ploy. That, as they were drafting that letter in the days before Jan. 6, they were making other plans, as well, discussing other bulwarks that needed to be built. Informing the Secret Service. Agreeing to stick with the process no matter what. [D]

  13. harpie says:
    1:50 AM · Jan 1, 2021

    Here’s Roger Stone, who I’m sure everyone is aware of but has also been pulling the strings on QAnon AND the Proud Boys. This has it all – lies, incitement, racism, grift, fascism, propaganda. In like 90 seconds [VIDEO] / […]

    REMINDER: These are the people who WANT you to go to DC on 1/6 and prove how edgy you are by getting your ass handed to you by a shitload of nazis. Except YOU will be the one on Newsmax and Qwitter riling them up and giving Trump an excuse.

    STAY HOME. []

    [captions from STONE’s VIDEO]: [DATE???] [Maybe 12/30 or 12/31/20?]

    This is Roger Stone. On January 6th I’ll be speaking to the StoptheSteal peaceful protest in Washington DC. We’re going to be protesting the heist of the 2020 election. I look forward to seeing you there. But if you can’t attend, we still need your help. You see, I’m concerned about the safety and the security of our supporters, of those who will be marching with us. After the last Washington DC event, four Trump supporters were stabbed by leftists. That’s because we cannot afford all the professional accoutrements of an event. This is a pop-up grassroots event for which we need professional security. We don’t have a wealthy donor like George Soros waiting in the wings to write a check to subsidize our political activism. We can only count on people like you. So, to help us have a safe, peaceful event, to help us have the impact we want, to change history, and to stand up for the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln, please go to stopthesteal dot org, that’s stopthesteal dot org and help us pay for the staging, the transportation, and most importantly the security of our peaceful protesters. Thank you and God bless you. I’ll see you in Washington, January 6th.

    • harpie says:

      Re: United States v. Michael Angelo Riley, 21-cr-628-ABJ […]

      As you know, on January 6, 2021, at approximately 12:45 p.m., Officer [Michael] Riley was the first responding officer to the pipe bomb incidents located near the U.S. Capitol and communicated his initial observations on United States Capitol Police (“USCP”) radio. He is an essential witness to the investigation of those events and any subsequent prosecution of the perpetrator(s) […]

  14. dadidoc1 says:

    I expect the Supreme Court will release their ruling overturning Roe v. Wade on the day the January 6th Committee broadcast begins.

    • Rayne says:

      That’s my fear as well, though the fury over that decision will have consequences at the polls in November just as the hearings should.

    • harpie says:

      I wonder if Ginni [SCOTUS Spouse] THOMAS and
      her “best friend” Clarence [“impartiality might reasonably be questioned”] THOMAS
      might have an interest in when that decision is released.

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