The Michael Flynn Complaint For Damages Against The US
As commenter David F. Snyder noted yesterday, yes Michael Flynn has filed a complaint for $50,000,000 damages against the US Government for all the perceived wrongs and grievances that he, his unhinged lawyers like Sidney Powell, and rabid MAGA Republicans have been carping about forever. A thread on this started out in Marcy’s “JUDGE UNSEALS DETAILS ON COOPERATING WITNESS IN DOUGLASS MACKEY CASE”, but I am going to bring it here so as to not pollute that post and give people a place to discuss Flynn.
I took a look at the docket for the fledgling case. It is filed in the Middle District of Florida, where Flynn resides. That is the only discernible nexus to MDFL as pretty much all facts, actors and witnesses would be in or about the DC District. Here is the docket entry for the complaint, which was actually filed on March 3, 2023:
NEW CASE ASSIGNED to Judge Mary S. Scriven and Magistrate Judge Christopher P. Tuite. New case number: 8:23-cv-0485-MSS-CPT. (SJB)
The complaint itself is attached to this Rolling Stone article by a detestable SCRIBD (seriously, nobody should ever convey documents by SCRIBD). It is 50 pages long, and I am not wasting my PACER account on it.
Marcy, in the earlier thread, said:
Not only does it not have legs, but if it survives the summary judgment stage (which is unlikely) it may catastrophically backfire on him.
I think that is right, but the case may not ever get that far. It may not even make it to a summary judgment motion, as it may well not make it past a 12b6 motion, which would be the initial attack by the government.
Couple of notes, the complaint alleges compliance with the FTCA (Federal Tort Claims Act), but claims the government never responded. Scriven is a Bush Jr. appointee and Tuite a Trump appointee to the magistrate bench. Sid Powell is noticeably absent from noticed attorneys, but Shawn Flynn, son of Michael’s brother, Gen. Charles Flynn, is listed. That could be interesting if Charles is to be a fact/damages witness, which would kind of be expected.
Very hard to see this matter gaining any real traction given all the facts and rulings against Flynn in the underlying criminal case in front of (now senior status) Judge Emmet Sullivan of DC District.
Christ, what an asshole.
Are there any other generals/admirals/etc that have reached this level of betrayal in America? Maybe my knowledge of history just isn’t as sharp as it used to be. I know some have had scandals, but I don’t recall anyone being so blatantly anti-American. I mean, you betray the country you swore an oath to defend and then you sue them for what might as well be “unpaid invoices for my borderline to actual traitorous service that this country should thank me, a true patriot, for.”
I could name one famous revolutionary war major general. But I wonder about Flynn’s brother, General Charles Flynn, who is currently Commanding General US Army Pacific. We’re talking four stars! I don’t know much about him, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s sympathetic to his brother. But how sympathetic?
Ditto and ditto. The brother was on the “National Guard” call on Jan 6 and the military lied about that, saying he was not.
Why? Personally I think it’s because a subset of people were willing to go “all the way” for Trump, and the brothers are 2 of them, and those tracks must be muddied
comment #983954
I’m confused as to why Charles’ National Guard call has been swept under the rug.
Where is Garland, Jack Smith, the military IG or some military and/or government body?
What in the world does any of that have to do with the Michael Flynn complaint????
I’ll give you a clue: It does not whatsoever.
and comments will be declared a dead end if they discuss related issues
helpful, thanks
I do not give a damn what you think is “helpful” whether in jest or serious. Neither you, nor “xy xy”, are going to make anything here dead. Get a clue, and a grip, or find the exit.
Zirc: We’re talking four stars!
11/25/20 TRUMP grants full PARDON to FLYNN
11/26/20 [just after midnight] POWELL posts links on her website: “The Kraken is released on Georgia!”; “The Kraken is released on Michigan!”
11/30/20 TRUMP nominates CHARLES FLYNN to be promoted to FOUR STARS
12/20/20 Charles FLYNN confirmed by the Senate by voice vote to be Army’s “deputy chief of staff for operations, plans and training.”
Better info on C. FLYNN:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_A._Flynn
Arnold sold out to make some money, and he complained (I don’t know if he sued) that the British Army shorted him some cash and he lived as a pariah in the UK. Not a direct parallel to Flynn, but interesting that someone feels like he’s owed something more for selling out.
As for Michael Flynn, I have to wonder what benefit he gains by launching this now. It will not affect his pension (see below), nor does it affect his income from Q-Anon World. In fact for the latter it’s probably akin to street cred and a distinct benefit. Because of the pardon there are no restrictions on his movements either.
So, is M. Flynn hoping to get something out of the discovery process to pass on to his allies like Individual-1? Is this going to be an exercise in graymail? I’m not seeing what M. Flynn hopes to gain.
I’m not including the legal fees as part of the calculation because I’m sure those will be paid for by someone else, though it would be good to ask who and why in that case.
M Flynn is a Christian Nationalist who sees himself on a Mission From God. From the AP last October, under the headline “Michael Flynn’s ReAwaken America Roadshow Recruits ‘Army of God'”:
(Revenge against the Dems and the DOD brass that pushed him out as head of the DIA would just be icing on the cake.)
That story was absolutely terrifying. A stark reminder that Christianity in America is more of a vengeful cult than it is a belief in the values of Christ.
#NotAllChristians #ButTooMany
I’d say that Christian Nationalism in America is more of a vengeful cult than Christianity in America.
Not that I’m defensive about it, being a pastor and all, but some of the strongest voices against Christian Nationalist are Christians who do not at all like what is being done and said in Christ’s name by folks like M Flynn.
That’s fair, I don’t mean to lump them all together. But I still think that the majority of self-identifying Christians in America lean toward the nationalistic parts more than the Beatitudes (I’d even argue most of them don’t even know what the Beatitudes are).
I call them Leviticus-tians.
I did not mean to offend you – I should have been more thoughtful in regards to who I was replying to.
Leviti-crustaceans.
I disagree with your assessment of the majority of self-identifying Christians. Those one sees in the media are more likely to lean toward the nationalistic, but that is *not* a representative sample.
I usually refer to them as Dominionists from the passage in Genesis where Adam is given dominion over Creation.
I and some of my friends refer to these self-identified “Christians” as Christo-Fascists. One of my best friends is married to an Episcopal Bishop, and they report that the term was regarded with horror by the Bishop.
Because it was so accurate when referring to these not at all Christian Fascists. Thanks for this report bmaz~!~
How do you short ReAwaken America Tour. RAT (or RAAT)
How appropriate…
Hi GWPA, I see you tried to comment again. I would like to reiterate, on behalf of me, Rayne and everyone at EW, your comments will never see the light of day again until you have the common grace to comply with our requested eight character minimum norm.
Also, too, if you ever validly return, please learn the value of paragraph breaks
I am old enough to remember when crazy generals ran along the lines of Edwin Walker
There were also the fictional Jack D. Ripper and the real Curtis LeMay
Flynn is not far from LeMay….
Is there anything else known about Flynn’s flacks?
Jared J. Roberts (Fl. Bar No. 1036550),
Shawn M. Flynn (Fl. Bar No. 1040911) – nephew,
Jason C. Greaves (pro hac vice application forthcoming),
Matthew M. Dummermuth (pro hac vice application forthcoming),
or Binnall ?
Never heard of any of them save for Shawn Flynn, who as stated in the post is Charles Flynn’s kid. Binnall is certainly not a power DC firm, and pretty much half of their roster of attys are listed on the Flynn complaint, including Shawn Flynn.
“Son, file a case on your brother’s behalf. I know he’s nuts but he keeps calling me.”
TheDailyBeast had an article about Binnall last year (May 6, 2022) under the heading “Top Trump Lawyer Is a Longtime Tax Deadbeat.” It starts with “Former President Donald Trump and his top election-fraud lawyer, Jesse Binnall, have a number of things in common …”
And, BTW, whenever a federal court file is not worth wasting the PACER account on, it’s worth having a look at CourtListener. They have not all cases and not all documents for the cases they have. But it’s a pretty good source, mirroring PACER, i.e., the case history can be followed. The Flynn complaint, attached exhibits and subsequent filings are available for free at https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66930673/flynn-v-united-states/. So there is no need to go to SCRIBD in this case.
Jesse R. Binnall, Counsel of Record, for the Trump v Thompson case regarding executive privilege and ‘when does a former president have it’ case.
This case: https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/trump-v-thompson-2/
Lol, so that went well. Not as batshit unprofessional as Sid Powell, but no more effective.
“…may well not make it past a 12b6 motion,…”
meaning (for sidewalk lawyers like me): failure to state a claim on which relief can be granted.
are these typically granted? do judges tend to extend as much rope as possible to plaintiff, give leave to amend claim? or might a truly capricious claim be dismissed out of hand?
In my youth, I won more 12b6 motions in the SDNY than I lost. They were harder win in the boondocks for a variety of reasons. This case would definitely be tossed by competent, unbiased judge with Rule 11 sanctions for good measure.
There are some real gems in the Complaint. “Vladimir Putin did not actually sit with General Flynn for an extended period of time.” Complaint, ¶ 52.
“Flynn’s statements to Kislyak were perfectly appropriate diplomatic talks.” Id., ¶ 64.
To answer the prior question, federal civil suits are dismissed at the pleading stage (or portions thereof) with great regularity. For the last thirty plus years the Supreme Court has been on a mission to restrict the cases heard in federal court. There was the Anderson v. Liberty Lobby trilogy in the 1980s to increase the use of dismissal by summary judgment, the Daubert expert witness standard cases to do the same, the Iqbal/Twombly change to adopt a “plausible” pleading standard as opposed to notice pleading, and some take great issue with the Court’s Article III standing jurisprudence.
Skimming the Complaint I wonder if there are statute of limitations problems, two years from when a plaintiff is on notice of the wrong under the FTCA, I believe. 28 U.S.C. Section 2401(b). In general, suing the sovereign is not easy and there may well be grounds for DOJ to seek dismissal for failure to state a cause of action.
Oh, and if you search the Complaint for the word “Turkey,” guess what . . .
Yeah. I also wonder if the government won’t seek to have the venue changed to DC pursuant to 28 USC §1404. See: USAM on this.
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I know you’re right: pretrial motions will probably end this thing. Still, once in a while, I’d like to see a Defendant say, “Screw motions, let’s do a little discovery first. Let’s get that crazy fuck under oath and see what he has to say.”
Oh, they cannot just say that if the government affirmatively moves under 12b6 or SJ.
The government couldn’t do that themselves if they wanted to?
Not if anybody sane was working on the matter. Never make admissions just because you want to have fun later.
Because I hadda think about it for a minute, and maybe to fill in a bit on Bmaz’ response, in order to get to discovery (other than specifically addressing something raised in a summary judgment response [at least in state court]{said because I always gotta acknowledge why it’s never “aways” and what the variances are}), the gov would have to file a pleading responsive to the complaint, which would likely be an answer, before commencing discovery. And an answer, at the very least, would require some admissions.
Why do that? Better to put the motion to dismiss on and and end the case.
Hope I got that right, and do not mean to speak for Bmaz.
Nope, that is quite right. Never answer in such a situation, lodge a 12b6. Make them ante up to try to fight it off.
US citizens are subsidizing coup plotters.
One, Lt Gen (Ret) Michael Flynn is still drawing a military penssion from taxpayer funds after dishonoring his rank; assisting in the attempt to overturn a legal election, taking money from a foreign government while actively serving as a National Security Adviser to the President of the United States and attempting to enlist other members of the US military in coup plot. He has disgraced the United States Army and the millions of American men and wonen who have honorably served their country. Michael Flynn and his brother Charles, who is still on active dury, belong in military prison. Flynn should be recalled to active duty, and both he and Charles court-martialed for sedition and stripped of all rank, privilege and retirement benefits.
This has been a repeated discussion, for years, here. Mike Flynn was retired when this all occurred, and is never going to be called back to service to face court martial to try to strip his pension. That is what old oil field hands call a very dry hole.
bmaz is correct here. Lt General Michael Flynn cannot be ‘recalled’ into active service for a general court martial, only five-stars never retire (and there aren’t any right now). Since the activity took place after retirement (AFAIK) the UCMJ does not apply. However, Michael’s done plenty to warrant jail time and hefty fines to recycle taxpayer dollars back to us. Michael also has his prior admissions under oath and whatever docs from the last two administrations that led to his dismissals for cause out of the NSA roles for the government to exploit. Only Aileen Cannon or the judge in Abilene would buy Michael Flynn’s claim.
GEN Charles Flynn, OTOH can be hauled before a GCM regarding the NG call and anything else that gets found, but the JAGs would have to explain why the Army whitewashed the attendance list which in turn might snare more brass into the woodchipper. IMHO (yes, I’m USN) that’s a small price to get rid of a cancer in the service. Dereliction of duty is a pretty elastic phrase designed for stuff like this, as is Article 134 for ‘bringing discredit upon the service’.
I doubt Charles would be imprisoned, but he could certainly be ‘dismissed’ from the service which has the effect of a Dishonorable Discharge. That’s probably unlikely as well unless the NG call has more to it than merely being incompetent, i.e. that the appointment was proven to be made for performing that NG call task. I doubt the IG’s office / JAGs have that evidence.
Are you saying that one can be incompetent and still keep their job as General?
You are increasingly a problem child in our comments. Nobody, including Rugger, nor anybody else, owes you an answer to ever more frequent tedious questions and postures. You have anything on your own, or just more BS? This is really getting tiring, and this blog is not good with that.
Incompetent leadership happens all the time in the military (and not just ours), though the dummies usually do not rise to four stars. Most of the time in the US services we either remove or sideline the ones that are hopeless.
As noted elsewhere in this post, the failure to call in the NG for three hours is the only thing that can be tied to C. Flynn at this time, and the only reason currently visible that makes me wonder how entangled C. Flynn might be in this stupidity is the timing of his appointment to the Deputy CoS role in DEC 2020. I do not know if that billet handles the DC NG but it might. Otherwise, there is nothing to see there in terms of criminality or serious UCMJ exposure.
While I have many doubts about Charles, I can’t say he belongs in prison. Prison sentences require crimes. I don’t know of any crimes he’s supposed to have committed. Precisely because he’s high up in the command chain, I would love to know if there is evidence to make us believe he has done so. I don’t know of any.
The only thing I’ve seen cited is the three-hour delay in getting the Guard deployment authorized, and the denial that he was on the phone calls trying to get that..
I love the Scribd remark; I hear ya, bmaz!
Fantasy moment: It would be even more ironic if the judge deems the suit frivolous and sets a penalty commensurate with the damages sought. This would have a double bonus of being a judo move using ALEC legislation.
Thanks bmaz (et al.) for the clarifying points and links. I’ve an intellectual curiosity in how this plays out, though obviously it’s nowhere as critical as what’s happening with the J6 and classified docs threads.
Judge Scriven does not suffer fools gladly. She is a bad draw for Flynn, especially with Rule 11 being applied with real teeth in federal court (Judge Middlebrooks eviscerating Trump in the Southern District case comes to mind). He might actually be better off in DC.
This seems like a good example to illustrate one of the many things it takes to get a case to court. So, it reinforces the comment you make from time to time, bmaz: “It’s not as easy as it looks.”
But Flynn flashing his ass may not be the maneuver he thought it was. MAGAs might like it (and CPAC fools might,) but I don’t think the courts will.
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For those new to this, 12(b)(6) is a section of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. It’s one of a list of defenses that a defendant must affirmatively plead, either by motion or in the response to plaintiff’s claim. That is, very early in the proceedings. It provides for dismissal by the court of plaintiff’s action, where plaintiff has failed to state a claim for which the court can grant relief.
In other words, when there’s no there there. It’s an ugly thing for a plaintiff’s lawyer and their client to have this granted against them.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_12
I have an antique account at Scribd that I haven’t used for years, but keep just for times like this. Here is a copy of the filing if anyone wants to see it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lhPI0jGzGEqG9QovVyIvRGf50bFp6oth/view?usp=share_link
Of my all too many hobby horses, SCRIBD has been one forever. It really sucks.
FWIW, I copied/pasted the scribd document into MS Word. If anybody would like a copy or a pdf of the file, let me know. I’d post my email address, but I’m not sure if that would be an infringement of EW etiquette.
Your contact info is entirely yours, but don’t think that is necessary.
The SCRIBD from RS may suck, but people can read there. And it will soon be around in many forms elsewhere, otherwise I would have downloaded and copied it.
I have included the link to CourtListener in my comment above. They were pretty fast with having this case. (But of course it’s better to get the document from SCRIBD than not al all.)
Thanh you!
Given the size of your herd of hobby horses, that’s saying a lot.
Don’t fence me, and my hobby horses, in.
OK. That cracked me up.
“…given all the facts and rulings against Flynn in the underlying criminal case in front of (now senior status) Judge Emmet Sullivan of DC District.” even I, lol, understand this sentence and I am: OVERJOYED. that fucker flynn has been quoted too often by my Q/trumper adult son and I’m SO ready for justice.
It has been my sense since 2020 that focusing solely on the poor legal basis of Trump-related lawsuits ignores what has been and continues to be their primary purpose, which is political. This lawsuit allows Flynn to stay on the political offensive even if his legal arguments are weaker than flimsy. His eventual legal failure will provide fresh political fuel to his ongoing claim that the Deep State, here in the form of weak and corrupted judges, has again done him, and all Patriotic Americans, wrong.
How are you going to stop that?
You’re not going to stop it. It’s part of a shockingly successful political strategy to keep a significant majority of Republicans angry and loyal to Trump and his allies. It will only stop when it no longer works, and what can stop it from working is a mystery, I think, to all political players and observers.
Twice reaffirmed his guilty plea. Then Barr intervened on his behalf! And Gym Jordan wants to review the weaponization of DoJ?
Pardon me Mike Flynn! WTF?
Imagine Flynn is paying for this litigation through donors/grift. Imagine he actually wins $50M from the government. Now imagine Flynn repaying his donors with the winnings.
Ha ha ha! OMG, I slay me.
Michael Flynn should be thanking his lucky stars that he’s still a free man thanks to the actions of William Barr and Donald Trump. That said, might discovery from this suit cause him to regret his decision to crawl out from under his rock?
True dat. General Petraeus got 2 years probation and a 100k fine for giving classified documents to his girlfriend. He at least expressed regret for his indiscretion.
Flynn regrets nothing. He really believes he did no wrong and the charges were politically motivated. The arrogance is mind bending considering what the DOJ could have charged him with.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/12/01/here-what-michael-flynn-charged-with-and-what-isn/6zpuo769JQipW3rOgTAXKJ/story.html
Please do not do this. The Flynn and Petraeus cases are incredibly different and distinct. And if Flynn had not turned about face as to his plea, his sentence would have been incredibly light. So, let’s not go there.
OT, the PB trial has been paused when the defense started using what appeared to be classified material in their questioning. I look forward to Ms. Buchman’s report on this, and if this leak is tied to Individual-1 in any way his day just got a lot worse.
Blog,
Kinda OT, but could Brandi Buchman tweets show up in the “tweets” sidebar, to make them and her whole thread easier to access?
Thanks,
DnD
Until that happens, here it is on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1633846946602287105
And at the WebArchive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230309231902/https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1633846946602287105
I will look into this. Since the widget in question is no longer serviced by its developers, I can’t guarantee outcome.
Naw, there are good enough links as is.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/classified-info-leak-derails-dramatic-proud-boys-trial
Rugger, It sounds like the prosecution got sloppy with some of their eveidence.
I’ll see how Ms. Buchman reports it, but you’re right that it is a self-own by the prosecution or the defense got it from somewhere else.
It depends upon the information and the sensitivity. If it is ‘out there’ it’s time for the spooks to figure out whether continued classification would be justified. If not, let the defense ask questions. If so, find out exactly where it came from and proceed. Either way, I think one hearing should determine the new ground rules but IANAL.
Daily Beast isn’t the most reliable of sources but they’re better than Politico or Raw Story.
Yeah, agree pretty much. Prosecutors should have never put themselves in this position, WTF is Ballantine doing…and on the record? Oh well, we shall see. That said, have no idea in the world who “Alec Karam Breaking News Intern” is. Here is his bio at DB:
Sure, okay. No, not really.
If we believe the Daily Beast is this not an example of the perils of doing anything other than accounting on Excel, for which the term “user unfriendly” might well have been coined?
Yes indeed.
A “news” intern who should never give up his day job, whatever that is.
LOL! I didn’t see this continued conversation here. I’ve been posting excerpts from Brandi’s THREAD at the end of the other post: [Yesterday was a doozy!]
https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/03/07/proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-trial-enters-32nd-day/
By the way, lest it be lost, there becomes a real question about the propriety of allowing the Binnall firm, any of them, but all of them, not just to continue representing Mike Flynn if Charles Flynn is ever to be a fact witness, which he almost certainly is. There is a serious problem here.
It’s a problem because Charles Flynn’s son is a lawyer at the Binnall Law Firm?
If his father is to be a material fact witness, maybe yes.
Thanks, bmaz. I was wondering about the Binnall name. Should’ve assumed they come in plurals and not just the one associated with Trump.
These days, it is always fair to note the President who appointed a district court judge, and bmaz did. But he also noted that the Magistrate Judge was appointed during the Trump era. This is true, but isn’t relevant. Magistrate Judges are appointed by the federal judiciary, not the administration. (I think they’re appointed by the district court, rather than the circuit court, but I’m not sure.) I don’t know what they do in Florida, but in the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York, magistrate judges seem to be appointed through a non-political merit process. Lawyers actually apply for the job, rather than get tapped for it.
Michael Flynn v. United States, 23-CV-0485 (M.D. Florida March 3, 2023):
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66930673/flynn-v-united-states/
Thanks!
Allegations over 161 paragraphs and 50 pages … and not a word about Flynn’s guilty plea.
Color me not-surprised.
If a guy like Flynn can make General does anyone wonder why the Shrub W. Bush II- BIG DICK cheney “Forever Wars” in Afghanistan and Iraq were lost???
apologize, OT…. wanted to ask bmaz, — what do you make of the claim trump makes repeatedly.
from remark made RE Stormy Daniels case.
He’s expressed this in other cases….and seems to feel it is a ‘get out of jail’ card.
What kind of ‘legs’ does claiming you ‘relied on counsel’ provide to trump?
Meh, it means nothing.
bmaz, you or someone else may have covered this elsewhere in the comments (and if I missed it, then I apologize), but might the government have a basis upon which to seek a change in venue to DC? It seems to me that I might have known the answer to that in, say, 1986, but within no more than an hour after the exam, I’m sure I would have forgotten.
Yes, mentioned this earlier, but under 28 USC §1404, I think there is a real argument for that. How it would play out, I have no idea.
Ah, I see it. Thanks!
(and sorry that my username got cut off; it wasn’t intentional)
[FYI – username repaired. Thanks for letting us know. /~Rayne]
That should read 28 USC §1404! [I fixed the original too.]
In 2016 ABC News had reported that Michael Flynn was accused of raising the idea of kidnapping Gulen to be turned over to the Turkish government. Since then I have expected to see Gulen or his organization filing a complaint with FBI against Flynn or at least suing him and his acolytes. I am not aware of any of these facts happening but I confess that I did not follow Flynn with religiosity.
Do you know whether Gulen and/or his organization took any measures against Flynn? If not, can they still do it?
Can the government still do something against Flynn in connection to his intent to produce serious damage to Gulen?
Lol, file a complaint with the FBI? Are you in Turkey?
No need to be sarcastic. I do not live in Turkey and I am not a lawyer.
What I meant was to ask the LE to investigate the kidnapping part of Flynn’s criminality and eventually to charge him. It seems that two of his acolytes had been indicted in 2018. I am not aware of Flynn being investigated by LE for this particular issue before the pardon he received from Trump, but I might be wrong.
If he was not charged with this particular crime before the pardon, can he be charged with it after the pardon? Is it possible that Gulen and/or his organization ask the LE to reopen the case, assuming that there was a case, or open a new case?
On what charges? When? Does evidence and statutes of limitation matter, or no?