Mike Roman, Donald Trump’s Spy and Vote Fraud Fraudster

WaPo has an overdue profile of Mike Roman, the guy who threatens blow up the Fani Willis prosecution by exposing a romantic relationship between her and prosecutor Nate Wade.

It describes how the guy who recruited a bunch of the most prominent Republicans in swing states across the country to sign onto fraudulent certificates claiming Trump won had previously served as — basically — a spy, first for the Kochs and then for Trump.

As Mike Roman spoke to a gathering of fellow conservative activists in March 2022, he offered a glimpse of the intelligence-gathering skills he had honed over the previous decade working as an opposition researcher for Donald Trump and Republican megadonors.

“I show my wife this all the time when we go to a hotel,” Roman told the crowd in Harrisburg, Pa., according to an audio recording reviewed by The Washington Post. “She logs on to the Hilton WiFi, and I go on and I ‘tap, tap, tap,’ and I show her everybody else that’s on there and how we could get into their computer.”

But it fails to make a few key points clear. Consider what it means, for example, that this is the guy that the Koch brothers would use to pick Republican candidates to back.

Roman’s unit compiled a “Weekly Intelligence Briefing,” with information about political races and recommendations about where the network’s donors should contribute, according to a person who worked there with Roman and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the organization’s internal operations.

Or consider the real implications that Roman served in Trump’s White House in the guise of “vetting” candidates.

Roman was made a special assistant to the president and White House director of special projects and research, reporting to then-White House counsel Donald McGahn and earning $115,000 per year. Roman was a private investigator of sorts for McGahn’s office, responsible for vetting potentially controversial nominations, according to a former senior administration official.

“It would be like, ‘We’ve heard an appointee might have a shady business deal,’ or ‘Counsel is hearing something about a presidential nominee that could cause a huge problem for us. Can you figure it out?’” the former official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive White House work.

Trump in no way eschewed “appointees [with] a shady business deal.” His Secretaries of Treasury and Commerce had fairly astounding shady business deals, as did Trump’s son-in-law (though he was never going to be subject to vetting). The culmination of Don McGahn’s tenure as White House Counsel was installing Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, and the rape allegations against Kavanaugh obscured further problematic allegations still further.

If Mike Roman was in charge of vetting, he let a lot of epically corrupt people through his “vetting” process.

So yeah, as I noted the moment the Fani Willis scandal broke and this story confirms, it was no surprise that any vulnerabilities Fani Willis had were discovered by Mike Roman.

Going on the offense against the prosecutor was a trademark Roman tactic, according to the former senior official on Trump’s 2020 campaign. “This is a classic Mike Roman move,” the former official said. “When I saw the filing, I said, ‘That’s Mike.’ It’s a good one.”

But once you understand that Roman’s focus has traditionally been trained on Republicans at least as much as Democrats, a lot else begins to make sense.

Update: As someone noted to me on Twitter, Roman had actually gone to RNC by the time Kavanaugh was nominated.

Update: Here’s Fani Willis’ response to Roman’s allegations. She doesn’t deny a personal relationship but says it post-dates when she hired Nate Wade. I’m not going to wade [sic] through it, but will link credible analysis when I see it.

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  2. David F. Snyder says:

    I haven’t read the WaPo article yet, but, yeah, a lot of things come together now. Any Russian connection found with Roman as of yet?

    • Savage Librarian says:

      Russian connection you ask? The WaPo article mentions Roman’s lawyer friend, Bruce S. Marks, but neglects to mention his background. Among other things, Marks has an office in Moscow. And according to his wiki, Marks (with Eastman) filed a petition with SCOTUS challenging the 2020 election results.

      • Critter7 says:

        According to Associated Press (Trump ‘army’ of poll watchers led by veteran of fraud claims, 2 Nov 2020), Bruce Marks ” has made his legal career representing wealthy Ukrainian and Russian clients”.

        Just a tiny bit of Googling finds confirmation on the website maintained by Bruce Marks’ law firm, Marks & Sokolov LLC, where “About us” says “Many of our clients have business dealings in Russia, Ukraine and former CIS countries.”

        And other interesting info is posted there. For example, “Bruce Marks gives interview to Russian NTV … on Trump and Biden’s Michigan visits” (5 Oct 2023). But watch out for the embedded hotlink – it goes to a video posting service called rutube.

        Marks was co-counsel with Eastman on Trump v. Degraffenreid, as submitted by Team Trump to SCOTUS in December 2020.

        As documented by the 65 Project Ethics Complaint against Bruce Marks (access from https://the65project.com/ethics-complaints/ ), he was also in the court room with Rudy for the Trump v. Boockvar hearing in Williamsburg PA on 17 Nov 2020, the same hearing that earned prominent mention in the Supreme Court of New York decision suspending Rudy’s law license.

    • Dark Phoenix says:

      Roman WAS caught in Ottawa during the trucker siege, which was largely funded by Russian and US conservatives sources.

    • Theodora30 says:

      I haven’t heard of one but I did just hear that Tucker Carlson is in Moscow. Some people are speculating that he may be acting as a go between for Trump and Putin.

  3. LadyHawke says:

    Mike Roman has been on my needs-to-be-convicted-and-jailed list for a long time. And he’s right about hotel and other “free” WiFi.

  4. Old Rapier says:

    Finding corruption of any sort, or sexual history best left in the room, is a frequent entrée into becoming a mob supporter/accomplice for anybody from schmuck tow truck drivers to CEO’s. It’s The Godfather 101. The mob doesn’t care what you did. After all we are all sinners. (perhaps someday I will start my opus on the closeness of the Catholic Church to the Mob and fascism)There is something freeing about being told by the powerful, ‘never mind, we will be your friend and you will be paid well’. Roman and his ilk should be considered to be looking for the corrupt and compromised to enlist as much to reject.
    None of this is new. It’s politics. But still, turning it up to 11 is notable and then there is the fact that the Godfather is a fruitcake.

    • vigetnovus says:

      Indeed. Corruptibility is a feature, not a bug. The Mob wants people with skeletons. That way, when they ask them to do something they don’t want to do, they can make them “an offer that they can’t refuse.” And once you’ve crossed that rubicon, there’s no going back. Like Michael Corleone said, “Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in!”

      The real question: how long until we find out Roman was deploying Pegasus-style software on his marks??

    • wetzel-rhymes-with says:

      Yes, I imagine after his years of friendship with David Pecker, former CEO of American Media aka National Enquirer, then President and leader of the GOP, Trump is in possession a Kompromat collection that is historically great. Sometimes the behavior of the GOP Congress is only explicable if you imagine being compromised in some way has become a condition to get Koch funding like The Firm with Tom Cruise. It fits my idea of the trajectory of a nobody like Mike Johnson, but that just might be my own animus in making a lurid interpretation of his relationship with his “adopted son”. This all puts Biden at a disadvantage because he has said he long trained himself to always believe the opponent has honest intentions as a way to break through and negotiate.

      I don’t think Trump has the greatest collection of Kompromat. That would be Putin. Even if the Pee Pee Tape isn’t real, I think the explanation for Putin’s dominance in their relationship is that Putin has Kompromat over Trump. The way conical, fascistic, mafias work is that Kompromat always moves upwards. Kompromat held over members of Congress by Russia is the only way to explain why our country is abandoning Ukraine. I think the GOP of my childhood would be sending everything just to see American tanks blowing up Russian tanks like in Tom Clancy.

      • HikaakiH says:

        Cf. public statements in December ’23 by Rep. Timothy Burchett (R-Tenn.) that his GOP colleagues voting records only make sense if viewed in light of them being compromised, and how if they aren’t compromised before they arrive in D.C., they are readily offered opportunities to compromise themselves when they get there.
        Also see news this last week of Burchett’s home being ‘SWATted’. (He and his family were away at the time, but I’m sure he understood the message.)

    • yydennek says:

      “Catholic Church and the mob”-
      Taxpayers have made Catholic organizations the nation’s 3rd largest employer. William Barr said that religion should be introduced at every opportunity. The push for tax- funded religious charter schools (Notre Dame’s Nicole Stelle Garnet, who is a Manhattan Institute Fellow and a friend of Amy Comey Barrett) will elevate Catholic organizations to 1st or 2nd.
      Articles at The Atlantic, PBS, MSNBC, etc. omit Catholic from the popular Christian evangelical narrative promulgated by Catholic authors who don’t identify as such. IMO, there’s been a scrubbing of bio info. for politicians and media writers. The additional narrative to a singular right wing as protestant, which is being promoted by people like Stefanik and various professors, is that anti-Catholic prejudice is a thing in 2024. Crooks and Liars recently called it out.

  5. mattchew says:

    So grim that this dude has been using drones for surveillance against the left for over a decade.

    It’s not that I believe that the left needs to be engaging in some type of “tit for tat” with regards to far right tactics, but wow can it make me feel hopeless at times when I think about how well funded, structured, organized, and ultimately armed the right is in comparison.

    • CaptainCondorcet says:

      The issue, in my mind, is that most of the left perceives the government should be able to handle basics like running bureaucracies and maintaining order (in whatever law enforcement or other capacity that may be). So the efforts are invested into making the red tape organizations better. Most of the right have no such beliefs. They doubt almost everything attached to “big government” and turn their organizing efforts internally.

      • c-i-v-i-l says:

        The right is very invested in using big government to certain ends, be it restrictions on things they oppose (e.g., abortion, books, gender-affirming care, immigration) or advocating changes they favor (e.g., the mingling of church and state). They use legislation, placing conservative judges on the bench, governors’ actions, etc., as it serves them.

        • yydennek says:

          c-i-v-i-l
          mingling church and state- the reason- to preserve order for further rule by the same people
          Don McGahn, Kavanaugh, William Barr, Leonard Leo and Mike Roman are right wing Catholics. At Give Send Go, a religious site, Roman is raising money. He says he’s a devout Catholic with 8 kids.
          The Pro Publica site posted a page, “Trump Town-all organizations-Jones Day”. The relatively long list has Republican Catholics, McGahn, Mike Roman and Uthmeier (DeSantis’ chief of staff). The heading reads, “provided compensation to…Michael A. Mike Roman, research consulting.” Reportedly, there were 12 Jones Day lawyers in the Trump admin.The past and present managing directors of Jones Day have high profiles with Notre Dame.
          Charles Koch funded Paul Weyrich , a GOP Catholic who co-founded the Heritage Foundation, CNP, ALEC and the religious right.
          Here’s the odd thing, no large nor medium and very few small news sites will make the connection to the Catholic sect. Other connections, sure, but, not that one.

  6. harpie says:

    Update: As someone noted to me on Twitter, Roman had actually gone to RNC by the time Kavanaugh was nominated.

    The mysterious oppo researcher working in the White House lawyer’s office
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-oppo-researcher-roman-403138
    Nancy Cook 02/11/2018 06:04 PM EST Updated: 02/11/2018 10:15 PM EST

    […] Some said Roman is vetting special appointees by checking their social media footprints and financial backgrounds. A handful of people described Roman as McGahn’s researcher, while one described him as a “loyal soldier” to McGahn. Another characterized his work in the office as opposition research, but could not specify what precisely that entailed. One White House official said he was heavily involved in extensively researching the background of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, who was selected a year ago. […]

    Also from that article: ROMAN worked with MCGAHN for the KOCHs before joining TRUMP campaign.

    ROMAN worked in the WH from January 2017 to 4/27/18.
    Stefan PASSANTINO was also there…until August 2018.

      • John Paul Jones says:

        Also from that Politico article, re, a blog Roman ran for a while:

        Election monitoring, concerns about voter fraud and Election Day poll monitoring have long been a passion of Roman’s and the primary focus of his blog, with entries dating as far back as 2008. “If an election is worth winning, then there is someone willing to steal it,” Roman wrote in one introductory post.

        Maybe his job was just as much about elections as it was about “vetting.” He would’ve exited the White House just as the 2018 mid-terms were getting started.

        Note also that moving to the White House may have involved a huge pay cut (from $296,000 working for Koch to $115,000 working for the White House). Who voluntarily drops nearly $200K in salary?

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Standard revolving door syndrome. Power is its own reward. Take a drop in pay – assuming no outside income makes up for it – in exchange for being more effective in doing your master’s bidding, and reap the reward a year or two later, when you return to the private sector.

          If you do that multiple times, like Scalia fils, the rewards pile up handsomely, The reality is, of course, that these predators never really leave the private sector.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          Roman and his partner, the mother of his children and his at-least-common law wife, seem to have been playing some form of bankruptcy scam for years. She filed singly for bankruptcy to stave off a foreclosure while he continued to rake in income from the Kochs. (The foreclosure happened anyway.)

          Gaming the system(s) appears to be his game. Who knows what money he actually got, and from which sources?

    • subtropolis says:

      I scrolled down to see whether anyone had linked to that fine article. Here’s another: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2023/09/06/Mike-Roman-Canadian-Ties/

      As the URL suggests, it focuses on his connections with Canadian right-wingers.

      But Canadians had better get acquainted with Roman — an American whose resume includes preaching to Conservative party insiders and working alongside former prime minister Stephen Harper at a multinational body built to deliver elections for right-wingers.

      Roman matters because in Canada, as well as the U.S. and many other countries today, third-party groups, often homegrown and emphatically authoritarian, pose a real threat to democracy. They are helping to elect governments that are subverting basic freedoms in the West.

      Roman’s exposed role in the Georgia election scandal should act as a wake-up call to everyone who worries about what can only be called fascist-creep in democracies around the world.

      Then-Conservative party campaign manager Hamish Marshall spoke about what he called “the new third-party campaign model.” In other words, making use of people not directly affiliated with the party who might be able to help the Conservatives win. People flying under the radar of Elections Canada.

      I’ve been aware for years that the Canadian “conservatives” have been bringing in people from the US to help them out. Roman was clearly one of them.

      Incidentally, things are not looking too good up here.

      • RipNoLonger says:

        That’s a great resource on Roman’s links to Harper and the Canadian Conservative party and IDU.

        Eighteen months after resigning his seat in Parliament, on Feb. 21, 2018, Harper became chairman of the International Democrat Union. Founded in 1983, the IDU is dedicated to getting right-wing governments elected around the world. Influence or interference? It is a very fine line.

        The IDU has its main office in the headquarters of the Christian Social Union in Munich, Germany. The CSU, a founding member of the International Democrat Union, is a socially conservative party created in 1946.

        Very little is known about exactly what the IDU does, or who funds it. But a surfaced CIA memo originally produced on July 23, 1985, indicated that at that time, the IDU received half its funding from the 17 European founding member parties of the organization.

        Of that group, two West German, right-wing parties and the U.K. Conservative party reportedly “carried the heaviest financial burden.”

        The other half of the IDU’s funding came from the U.S. Republican party and the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party. Canada’s former Progressive Conservative party also was a founding member of the IDU.

        Since its start 40 years ago, the IDU has expanded dramatically. It now has 84 member political parties, some dedicated to increasingly harsh versions of right-wing politics. India’s ruling right-wing party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, joined the IDU in 2016, and Israel’s Likud followed suit in 2018.

        • Greg Hunter says:

          It seems pretty clear you can see the 2021 Frank Schirrmacher prize winner’s fingerprints in all these things?

          The DW description of the recipient is informative.

        • yydennek says:

          How about McGahn, Uthmeier (DeSantis’ chief of staff) and Roman’s links to Jones Day?
          Pro Publica, “Trump town”

        • yydennek says:

          The Tyee, “Who is Mike Roman…” (9-6-2023)
          Prof. Hasen of the University of California describes IDU in the article.
          Andrew Scheer is referenced. Btw- his father is a Catholic deacon. Roman attempts to raise money at Send Give Go by touting himself as a devout Catholic with 7 kids.

  7. sfvalues says:

    When paired with today’s story about Walt Nauta being accused of sexual misconduct, it makes for some disturbing insight into Trump’s use of the morally compromised and kompromat.

    He Was Accused of Sexual Misconduct. Then Trump Hired Him. Then He Was Indicted in Mar-a-Lago Case.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/walt-nauta-was-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-then-trump-hired-him-then-he-was-indicted-in-mar-a-lago-case?ref=scroll)

    As you note, Trump has no problem with people with shady histories. Is that because: A) He’s drawn to people that are like him. B) He trusts morally compromised people because they’re more likely to do morally compromised things for him. It’s his own bizarro world vetting process, where you can’t get through the last hoop unless you’ve proved you can be relied on to break the law. or C) It gives him leverage over them, especially if what’s publicly known is just the tip of an iceberg. He then turns the information leverage from C into financial leverage, with jobs or other financial/legal costs strings (as the Daily Beast points out with Nauta) that bind their loyalty. So many choices!

    • Savage Librarian says:

      No tattoo, but he does have a connection to Nixon in the way that his lawyer friend, Bruce Marks, made his way to the PA Senate. Marks was trailing in the 1993 special election. But then judge, Clarence C. Newcomer intervened and declared Marks the winner. Judge Newcomer was appointed by Nixon. That’s what fired up Roman with his initial fanaticism relative to elections. So, no tattoo. Just tit for tat, too.

  8. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Trump eschewed “appointees [with] a shady business” background? LMFAO. Trump only works with people his feral predatory senses tell him he can corrupt. Having a shady business background, or some other corrupt vulnerability, is a requirement.

  9. TPA_kyle says:

    OFF TOPIC: Hat tip to bmaz for his accuracy predicting the eventual downfall of Fani Willis who today “admitted she had a personal relationship with an outside prosecutor she appointed to manage the election interference case against former president Donald Trump and his allies but denied claims that the relationship had tainted the proceedings.” (According to The Washington Post)

    Should this admission have any meaningful impact to the case? Or is it just a bad look?

      • Super Nintendo Chalmers says:

        ITA. Four-letter acronym that shall not be named was opposed to any state-based effort to prosecute election malfeasance. That’s the extent of their “prediction” about Fani Willis.

      • bmaz says:

        “Eyeball” all you want. My original point was that Fani Willis was ethically dubious. That seems fairly accurate.

        • grizebard says:

          Your original (and only) point was that any prosecutor in any piddly little county out in the sticks didn’t “know their place” and didn’t have any right to play with the legal big boys of DC, and “pshaw” to any foolish notion of a separation of powers within the justice system.

          Please spare us from a history rewrite. We encountered it all ad nauseam.

    • RitaRita says:

      Fani Willis asserts that she developed a personal relationship with Nathan Wade after his appointment, that he was well qualified for the job and willing to accept the below market wages, etc.

      IIRC, Bmaz’s concerns were that the essence of the case was best handled in federal courts, that RICO was an overreach, and that DA Willis was grandstanding.

      Intra-office romances are fraught but not grounds for dismissal of the case nor the replacement of the DA. In tossing around salacious accusations, Mike Roman was just doing what comes naturally to a political dirty trickster.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Yep. Unless there’s more here, this looks embarrassing, but not fatal, notwithstanding Mike Roman’s thoughts and prayers to the contrary.

        • Cicero101 says:

          But will the NYT and The WaPo be able to resist doing a “but her emails” on this issue? I’m sceptical.

          • Rugger_9 says:

            I think Willis would be more worried if the AJC took up the refrain (yeah, the NYT and WashPo will rant). However, I suspect she is well aware of her importance in this case and will not resign because the GOP state administration would then spike the case. Note also that her prior racketeering cases probably gave her thicker than usual skin.

            Whether the GA administration will intervene is an interesting question, but I’m fairly optimistic that Inmate P01135089 has pissed them off too much for them to help.

    • Troutwaxer says:

      So one of the criminals found, by methods unknown, not so much ‘dirt’ as slightly muddy water on one of the prosecutors and tried to use it to get her thrown off the case. When does she file obstruction charges?

        • Troutwaxer says:

          I wasn’t terribly serious about the idea of filing obstruction charges, more noticing that the scum is using scummy tactics to attain scummy objectives so scum can win… and there oughta be a law!

    • John Paul Jones says:

      There’s an analysis over at JustSecurity of the issue. Search for the title – “The Fulton County Disqualification Allegations: Myths, Facts and Unknowns.” Norm Eisen, Joyce Vance, Barb McQuade.

    • kpavlovic says:

      I read the response. Re the motion to dismiss, Roman’s had his legs cut off somewhere above his neck and his lawyer may be in for some sanction.

  10. Steve in Manhattan says:

    SPECTRE (Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) – Roman sounds like a Bond villain. Has someone done a deep dive on him? There must be a dead hooker or a closet full of underage sex slaves somewhere in his past.

    • grizebard says:

      “Dead hooker, etc.”? – likely not. The driven monomaniacs are the worst, because they do their evil masters’ bidding out of deep-seated (but misguided) conviction.

  11. Capemaydave says:

    Roman is the anti-vetter.

    He finds the corrupted who are either willing to aid the RW or can be extorted thereto.

  12. Henry the Horse says:

    This guy requires a MUCH deeper dive, as does the German organization that employs/supports him.

    Let’s see, who can I think of that is the best at this??? Hmmm…

    While I am thinking, it’s becoming more obvious every day that there is an international association of these type of people bent on destroying liberal democracy.

    They have already come closer to that than I (or probably they) ever dreamed.

  13. Henry the Horse says:

    Canadien right wingers are the only ones I like. Lafleur, Cournoyer, LeClair allez les Bleu, Blanc et Rouge!!!

  14. ShallMustMay08 says:

    For those who have an account over on the X or still able to back door, the account of “mrs panstreppon” had some wild info a few weeks back. I guess “wild” is subjective. Though it seems his family set up (and finances) is quite odd and while I prefer to ignore the family things – the GOP is such a stand up bunch of late. /s -Life isn’t fair-so be it.

    Also Will Bunch from the Inquirer has other related materials. Sorry I can’t link but this should give guidance if interested.

    (P.S. – thanks Harpie with link to back door X site is capable with .cz v .net – which for me died recently.)

    • Rayne says:

      You’ll need to be more specific about dates and key words for search purposes to narrow down whatever it was @mrspanstreppon posted on the dead bird app. The mirror site using .cz domain appears to be working right now: https://nitter.cz/mrspanstreppon

      Ditto for Will Bunch’s work — need a date and/or key words to search for it.

    • harpie says:

      This might be the THREAD you’re talking about.
      Rayne is the one who showed me about the different “instances” for Nitter, so THANKS to Rayne!

      https://nitter.cz/mrspanstreppon/status/1693573528287576521#m
      Aug 21, 2023 · 10:39 AM UTC

      Mike Roman was charged w charged w nine felonies by the Fulton County D.A. All of the related acts occurred bet Nov 30 & Dec 20 2020 when Mike Roman was being paid by the RNC & the NRSC via their Recount Accounts… [THREAD]

      • Rayne says:

        Thanks for hunting down that thread, harpie!

        For anyone else trying to read the thread harpie shared: right now at 10:20 a.m. ET, the nitter . cz instance is rate limited — too much traffic. Nitter says try another instance, which in federated server terms means try another server with a different domain name which is mirroring the same content.

        Nitter shares a link to a Github page which includes a list of alternative instances. Pick one from the column titled URL which is online and working and append the account name/status/number of post to the alternative URL, like so:

        https:// nitter.poast.org /mrspanstreppon/status/1693573528287576521#m

        (blank spaces appear in example above to deactivate the link — don’t use blank spaces in yours.)

        • ShallMustMay08 says:

          Yes and thank you both! I was rate limited as well and chose only post back to one dated 23Jan and a simple screen shot of a text conversation and anonymous allegations. As I said- wild, not normally my cup of tea though I generally lack a wild imagination.

          Will at Inquirer is dated 13OCT2020.

          Thanks for the help.

  15. wa_rickf says:

    Does a salacious office romance, entered into by two consenting adults who are on the same prosecutorial team, change the fact that Trump’s January 2, 2021 “perfect call” where the former POTUS pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to change the state’s election results by “finding” Trump 11,781 ballots in Trump’s favor – a call that every Republican state officer of the State of Georgia has thus far failed to acknowledge was wrong? No! Why? Because today’s GOP is little more than a criminal protection racket to shelter one man, Donald Trump.

    • wa_rickf says:

      Trump committed a crime that no Republican officer of the State of Georgia is willing to investigate, but the affair of the leading prosecutor of the case gets more attention from Republicans and the media than Trump’s actual election interfering crime.

  16. Tracy Lynn says:

    So, I’ve been thinking about this. Exactly how is it a conflict of interest? I understand if Fani Willis was having an intense relationship with someone on one of the defense teams — that could be considered a conflict of interest. It might be unseemly that she is in a relationship with someone going thru a messy divorce — but I don’t buy what Roman is implying here.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      That Trump and his supporters would make any social faux pas a cause celebre should have been obvious, not to mention to a prosecutor involved in so high profile a prosecution. But that’s politics.

      A potential problem would be if Willis overcompensated a lover on the public dime. I’m not aware that there is any evidence of that or any other material misconduct.

  17. bgThenNow says:

    A few days agoI heard an interview with Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman about their new book, “Find Me the Votes.” There are several book reviews and author interviews on line. What I heard in the interview was (I thought) compelling. They reported that elected GA Republicans were the first and only of their prty/rank to hold the line on the corruption they witnessed in this case. “An iron wall,” he called it. Isikoff said Willis could not hire people willing to work on the case because of the threats that were made against the families of the people who were investigating, or who had told the truth about the GA election pressure campaign, etc. He claimed the prosecutor in question was essentially the only one willing to take this case on, despite the threats. It put all of this in a slightly different light for me.

    • wasD4v1d says:

      which does not, in my mind, begin to justify the egregious extracurriculars. romantic getaways? ten times competition lavished on one lawyer but not the other two? financial backflow of taxpayer money for political campaign purposes? those look to me like corruption.

      • wa_rickf says:

        Which came first? The compensation or the romance? THAT is an important distinction that needs to be established before we ALL begin passing judgement.

        • kpavlovic says:

          Either way it’s not disqualifying under Georgia law and is not a violation of the procurement and compensation processes under which the DA operates, as is carefully and thoroughly explained in Willis’ response. Not that anyone seems to care, except perhaps the judge.

          • wa_rickf says:

            Good to read this situation is not disqualifying under GA law or a violation of procurement and compensation processes.

            At best, this situation can be filed under “things that best probably ought not have been acted upo:.”

            Who among us has not made choices that probably ought not have been acted upon when influenced by romance? I know I have.

            • Mutaman says:

              “Who among us has not made choices that probably ought not have been acted upon when influenced by romance? I know I have.”

              Exactly. Boy I wish I had a nickle for all those times I let a little romance create significant damage to the cause of fighting fascism in this country.

              [Welcome back to emptywheel. Please choose and use a unique username with a minimum of 8 letters. We are moving to a new minimum standard to support community security, **as noted in the first comment of this thread.** /~Rayne]

              • Mutaman111 says:

                “Who among us has not made choices that probably ought not have been acted upon when influenced by romance? I know I have.”

                Exactly. Boy I wish I had a nickle for all those times I let a little romance create significant damage to the cause of fighting fascism in this country.

                [Thanks for updating your username to meet the 8 letter minimum. /~Rayne]

        • grizebard says:

          Jeez, “unfortunate” it might well be, given the circling sharks, but where’s the humanity? Are people who may be developing an attraction for each other in a work situation now going to have to pass on a precious life chance just because it might be “unfortunate” due to the malignant efforts of predatory nit-pickers?? Rank hypocrites who, from their own behaviour, don’t give a damn about legal or personal propriety anyway.

          This is just another (more subtle) example of ongoing MAGA efforts at “coercive control”.

          If Trump can cause a raft of congressmen to fold with direct phone-call offers they “can’t refuse”, or tweet-up a storm of threats against any decent public servant simply upholding their sworn duty, in what possible way is that not organised crime?

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        wasD4v1d, you are doing that thing where spouting numbers creates a false sense of truthiness (that is: truthiness). What does “ten times competition” even mean? Did you intend to write “compensation”? Where did you get the “ten times” figure, if you have one?

        You may be on firmer ground with Willis’s fundraiser for the candidate, but it’s impossible to tell if that’s what you’re talking about. If you want to raise issues about Willis, they exist. Trust me. But this is not the way to go about it.

    • Rayne says:

      Any chance you can recall the site/outlet through which you heard the interview? I’m sure other community members would like to listen to this as well.

      • Rayne says:

        Thanks, harpie. I was hoping bgThenNow would do the legwork because offering a source should be the norm but I know you’re likely itching to get at this one. LOL

        • bgThenNow says:

          My apologies, Rayne. I heard it on NPR, link by harpie.
          But when I went to source it, I noticed they are promoting the book, so there were other interviews that I had not heard. It seems like Isikoff is a decent source. Next time I will provide the link.

          Additionally, the documents in response to Roman, provided by Willis are a good read as well. I think there has been a link to that already.

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