Right Wing Propaganda Fail: Julie Kelly’s Troubles with Ten and Two

As I laid out in this post, Julie Kelly is an important right wing propagandist who has ginned up quite a lot of attention from accused fraudsters for her willingness to lie about Jan6ers and Donald Trump. Her propaganda may have given Aileen Cannon cover to delay trial for Trump’s alleged unlawful retention of National Defense Information, including a nuclear document.

I say she’s a propagandist willing to lie based on an extended discussion we had in 2021 about January 6ers charged with assaulting cops (at a minimum, 18 USC 111(a)). She reviewed my (incomplete) list, challenged a number of people on it — for example, people who had been charged with 18 USC 111 via complaint but charged with something else, like 18 USC 231, upon indictment. There were 112 people on the list. Nevertheless, Julie never retracted her false claim — a foundational one in Jan6 hagiography — that fewer than 100 Jan6ers had been charged with assaulting cops. Having been presented with proof she was wrong, she simply continued to tell the same lie, downplaying the alleged (and since then, adjudicated) violence of the Jan6ers she was claiming were peaceful protestors.

Because trolls keep pointing to her latest work, in which she accused the FBI of doctoring the initial photo released from the Mar-a-Lago search, I wanted to point out how Julie continues to struggle with numbers, this time the difference between ten and two, and as a result has badly deceived all those poor trolls.

She claims that Jay Bratt lied in his description of what the FBI found at Mar-a-Lago, in which he referred to the famous photo from the search, which Bratt specifically described as a photo of documents and classified cover sheets found in a container seized in Trump’s office.

Jay Bratt, who was the lead DOJ prosecutor on the investigation at the time and now is assigned to Smith’s team, described the photo this way in his August 30, 2022 response to Trump’s special master lawsuit:

“[Thirteen] boxes or containers contained documents with classification markings, and in all, over one hundred unique documents with classification markings…were seized. Certain of the documents had colored cover sheets indicating their classification status. (Emphasis added.) See, e.g., Attachment F (redacted FBI photograph of certain documents and classified cover sheets recovered from a container in the ‘45 office’).”

The DOJ’s clever wordsmithing, however, did not accurately describe the origin of the cover sheets. In what must be considered not only an act of doctoring evidence but willfully misleading the American people into believing the former president is a criminal and threat to national security, agents involved in the raid attached the cover sheets to at least seven files to stage the photo.

Classified cover sheets were not “recovered” in the container, contrary to Bratt’s declaration to the court. In fact, after being busted recently by defense attorneys for mishandling evidence in the case, Bratt had to fess up about how the cover sheets actually ended up on the documents.

Here is Bratt’s new version of the story, where he finally admits a critical detail that he failed to disclose in his August 2022 filing:

“[If] the investigative team found a document with classification markings, it removed the document, segregated it, and replaced it with a placeholder sheet. The investigative team used classified cover sheets for that purpose.”

But before the official cover sheets were used as placeholder, agents apparently used them as props. FBI agents took it upon themselves to paperclip the sheets to documents—something evident given the uniform nature of how each cover sheet is clipped to each file in the photo—laid them on the floor, and snapped a picture for political posterity. [Italics Julie’s, bold emphasis mine]

Julie’s passage starts by quoting from Bratt’s description of the photo in his August 2022 declaration. The contents of the container in question are clearly identified in the picture as 2A — that is, the contents of box 2. In his declaration, Bratt specifically identifies that the box was recovered in the office. Until DOJ learned of the box of presidential schedules Chamberlain Harris had under her desk in various places, that was the only box known to be seized from the office (though some albums and loose documents were found as well).

Then, Julie nods to, but does not cite, Stan Woodward’s description of the appearance of slip sheets in boxes of unclassified documents when she describes Bratt as, “being busted recently by defense attorneys.” I quoted Woodward’s filing at length here.

She then quotes from Jay Bratt’s description of something other than that photo: of how, as the FBI searched individual boxes, the FBI inserted a replacement — sometimes a classified cover sheet, but after they ran out of those, a handwritten piece of paper — when it pulled the classified documents from the boxes. Here’s more of what Bratt said.

The filter team took care to ensure that no documents were moved from one box to another, but it was not focused on maintaining the sequence of documents within each box. If a box contained potentially privileged material and fell within the scope of the search warrant, the filter team seized the box for later closer review. If a box did not contain potentially privileged documents, the filter team provided the box to the investigative team for on-site review, and if the investigative team found a document with classification markings, it removed the document, segregated it, and replaced it with a placeholder sheet. The investigative team used classified cover sheets for that purpose, until the FBI ran out because there were so many classified documents, at which point the team began using blank sheets with handwritten notes indicating the classification level of the document(s) seized. The investigative team seized any box that was found to contain documents with classification markings or presidential records.

So Julie relies on (1) a description of a photo of the documents with classification markings removed from box 2 on August 8, 2022, (2) Woodward’s description of what boxes from which documents with classification markings have been removed currently look like, and then (3) Bratt’s description of the search process used in August 2022. From that, she declares that Bratt’s description of some contents of a single box doesn’t match his description of a process used to search boxes and therefore the evidence in the picture must have been doctored.

Already, poor Julie has a problem. First, Bratt’s descriptions are of different things. The August 2022 declaration describes what they found at Mar-a-Lago after pulling documents with classification markings from boxes. The recent response describes what the FBI did when pulling documents with classification markings from boxes.

Woodward, too, describes something different than what Bratt described in August 2022. In the filing that Julie doesn’t cite, Woodward describes what boxes from which documents with classification markings have already been removed currently look like. Again, there is a difference between what remains in boxes versus what got pulled from boxes.

Plus, Bratt’s description is consistent with the picture; Julie’s is not.

Bratt said that a subset of the documents did have cover-sheets — the bit that she italicizes. Julie simply asserts, as fact, that the FBI attached the seven cover sheets that appear in the picture (but for what she imagines is a doctored photo, did not attach cover sheets to the other documents in the picture). To match Bratt’s later description, all the documents with classification markings in the picture would have cover sheets, which also would have made a more damning photo. Julie doesn’t consider the possibility that the seven or so cover sheets in the picture which she describes to be attached to documents were among those documents that Bratt described that did have cover sheets. She doesn’t puzzle through why, if the FBI were trying to make things look as bad as possible, they didn’t put cover sheets on everything.

And to reiterate, this picture does not depict what Julie thinks she’s describing at all; what she’s describing is what got left after the classified documents were segregated from ones without classification markings. What the picture shows on the floor is only documents with classification markings.

It gets worse.

Poor Julie the propagandist states as fact that, “Classified cover sheets were not ‘recovered’ in the container.”

As I noted here, Stan Woodward bases his description of the troubling box with documents out of place as item 10. He describes, “Box A-15 is a box seized from the Storage Room and is identified by the FBI as Item 10.”

The inventory certified as part of the Special Master process back in September 2022 describes item 10 (identified as box A-15 in the warrant return) this way:

It is, as I noted, the box with the biggest number of classified documents in it, but they were classified at a lower level — Confidential and Secret.

The inventory describes nothing about cover sheets.

But that’s not the box in the picture!! That’s not the box Jay Bratt described back in August 2022!

The box in the picture is box 2, a leatherbound box found in the office.

Here’s how the uncontested description from the Special Master inventory describes that box, the one that Jay Bratt was actually talking about. [my red annotation]

The inventory describes that, in addition to 24 classified documents — 7 of them Top Secret, of which just five are reflected in cover sheets in the picture — there were also 43 empty classified folders.

And yet poor Julie states as fact that, “Classified cover sheets were not “recovered” in the container.” While folders and these cover sheets are different things, they serve to cover classified documents. There were 43 empty classified folders in box 2.

Remember: Tim Parlatore admitted that Trump retained at least one classified cover folder when he was trying to explain why his search team found one marked “Classified Evening Summary” in Trump’s bedroom. Is Julie calling Parlatore a liar now too?

In any case, Julie is talking about an entirely different box, one that the inventory doesn’t record as having any classified cover sheets in it. Based on a claim that item 10 (box A-15) didn’t have cover sheets, Julie stated as fact that item 2 didn’t either.

She simply made it up.

Based on the uncontested inventory, the FBI could have made that picture far more damning than they did, had they paper clipped cover sheets to “each” document with classification marks, as Julie claims they did. They could have put cover sheets on two more Top Secret documents for the picture and added cover sheets on up to 12 more Secret documents. They could have stacked up those 43 empty folders that once had documents in them, but no longer did on August 8, 2022. Instead, they took a picture showing that some of those documents had cover sheets and some did not, which (accurate or not) is precisely what Bratt described, apparently leaving out the 43 damning empty folders altogether.

Poor Julie took a description of a box found in the storage closet, treated it as a description of a box found somewhere else, and then simply never bothered to check what that box — the box Jay Bratt was actually referring to — actually contained.

Julie the propagandist suggests that if the picture were accurate — if there really were seven documents that still had cover sheets in the box that Jay Bratt was actually describing — then it would accurately support an argument that, “the former president is a criminal and threat to national security.” And wow, that may be a problem, conceding that that picture supported an argument that Trump was a national security threat! Because nothing Julie claims in her post describes this box. And her claims that the FBI made this picture as damning as possible is debunked when you look at the actual contents of the box (or even, the picture itself).

So instead, she described something entirely different — something entirely unrelated to the box contents in this picture — and claimed the FBI, and not Julie the propagandist herself, was engaged in deception.

Update: Julie now says that in spite of all the proof she got caught lying, she must still be right because the paperclips in the picture are tidy.

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65 replies
  1. dozer22 says:

    . Cannon’s background made her
    Ripe for radicalization . . .
    https :// dropbox. com/scl/fi/k0w125xqtvunu1uhlkzko/Update-19-Cannon-Family-Narrative.docx?rlkey=4e50qxz1j7gfdrkhphxqgjsfc&st=73fvnw7n&dl=0

    Sorry to be off topic and a work in progress to boot, but by the time I can find all the receipts and polish it up it would be too late to be useful background for all the head scratching news coverage of Cannon.

    [Moderator’s note: Link broken to avoid accidental click-through by community members since the site linked is unvetted for malware. Use at your own risk. /~Rayne]

      • Rayne says:

        Sorry about that, I should have broken the Dropbox link.

        For security reasons, unvetted resources in the cloud at sites like Drobox and Google Docs should not be shared in comments without the link broken to prevent accidental clickthrough by community members.

        Not to mention commenters staying on topic.

    • P J Evans says:

      I blocked someone at the bird hellsite for repeatedly posting that stuff. (And they didn’t check their work: it’s “Colombia”.)

  2. Zinsky123 says:

    I think the problem is you start with the facts and then use inductive and deductive reasoning to reach a conclusion. Julie starts with her conclusion – Donald Trump can do no wrong and neither can his minions – and then tries to shoehorn reality to make it fit those conclusions. I wouldn’t worry too much about her. Your cred as a national security investigative reporter is rock solid.

  3. Gil Bagnell says:

    What is disturbing is that a right-wing Facebook friend of mine immediately posted that his suspicions have now been confirmed that the FBI faked the whole thing and planted all the classified documents.

    • Rayne says:

      This points to a missing tool in the left’s arsenal: a predictive platform which identifies the likeliest misdirection-disinfo-as-conspiracy-theories which provides preemptive pushback which can reach the right-wing base’s reptilian brain.

      I spiked troll comments yesterday making the same claim. I wish now I’d noted how long the time span was between the originating story and the disinfo. That’s the time frame in which the preemptive pushback should work.

      • Narpington says:

        These right wing responses should at least allow the prosecutors to refine their plan before they get to the courtroom, assuming they’re paying attention to the Trumposphere, to preempt misleading arguments from the defence and be aware of what some jurors might have come to believe.

    • emptywheel says:

      Well now you can go link this and ask them if they’re ashamed that they got so easily duped.

      • Savage Librarian says:

        I know some people who lost their jobs because they chose to rely on and promote disinformation and lies. They got sucked up in groupthink and status. In addition to your patient and generous explanation, here is a little something to help Julie Kelly and others like her:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIyt5pEcE_g

        “Fact or Opinion for Kids”

        • CovariantTensor says:

          The trouble is, fact as something that can be proven by doing research, does not at all address the quality of the research materials, and how to go about verifying their reliability.

      • Fraud Guy says:

        I wish it were that easy. I live with a Q follower and once the interpretation is set by the group, it cannot be changed–unless the group changes it. Maddeningly frustrating to deal with.

        • ExRacerX says:

          Yep, it’s as bad as—even worse than—a religion. Both types refuse to accept empirical & scientific evidence unless it agrees with their beliefs.

      • Peterr says:

        Julie continues to struggle with numbers, this time the difference between ten and two

        I’m waiting for one of her followers to insert a math geek point here . . .

        102 = 210

        So there! (Why do libs hate math?)
        /s

        • bmaz says:

          Because math is hard!

          And Roman numerals are hard. Last one I remember was XXX and it was a Super Bowl.

        • posaune says:

          A bit OT here: mr posaune is a mathematician.
          Son of posaune (taking math at college) has been “selling” his dad’s services in tutoring his class friends. “Come on, Dad, you’re already in the math business — what a few more problems?” Dad has been exceedingly patient with this scheme.

        • Narpington says:

          I’m confused now. Assuming you mixed up superscript and subscript*,
          100 ≠ 1024.
          1000 (ie 10^3) ≈ 1024 so still doesn’t work.

          Or was that somehow your point?

          * how did you do that? I tried Markdown here before but it had no effect.

        • CovariantTensor says:

          I have a math geek tee shirt that reads “There are only 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don’t”.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          How come below responses have no “reply” availability?
          And in response to all below, let’s use “0” and “1” from the binary number system.

        • Rayne says:

          We are working on changes to the comment system here. Because the threaded comments become increasingly unreadable for mobile users after (4) comments deep, the limit on the ziggurat is now set at (4).

          If commenters want to be the fifth reply out from the original comment, they should preface their comment with the username/time of comment to which they wish to reply. A link to that comment would also be helpful.

          There will be a post explaining this change.

        • nord dakota says:

          Just to clarify for Narpington, the first is 10 in base 2, which is equal to 2 (means 1 times 2 to the power of 1 followed by 0 times 2 to the power of 0, which equals 0)
          The second is 2 in base 10, i.e. the value 2 written in the numbering system we commonly use. The subscript identifies the base. 10 with a subscript of 7 would be equal to 7.

    • MsJennyMD says:

      Kellyanne Conway: ‘microwaves that turn into cameras’ can spy on us.
      Mar 13, 2017

  4. thebutlerjay says:

    Julie’s rationale: the uniform nature of the paperclips…. Well, if the FBI simply clipped the cover sheets on for a photo, then why are there creases around the paper clips on some of the cover sheets? Someone clearly folded back the cover sheets to look at the docs under them.

  5. Amicus12 says:

    It’s all so breathtakingly stupid.

    Trump is not charged with the possession of classification cover sheets. He’s charged with the unlawful retention of 32 documents containing information of the utmost national security sensitivity. The indictment’s depiction of those documents and the associated classification levels are chilling.

    As far as I know, Trump and his co-defendants have never claimed that Trump did not in fact possess these documents.
    But the fabricated kerfluffle over cover sheets intimates that if the FBI was planting cover sheets then apparently it also was planting the documents themselves. Really? If the almighty Deep State is out to get Trump in such fashion why haven’t they just pushed him out a window?

    And as regards cover sheets, Nauta’s own photographs concerning the spilled boxes show the presence of cover sheets at MAL prior to the FBI’s arrival.

    “Against the stupid, the gods themselves struggle in vain.” F. Schiller.

    • LaMissy! says:

      “If the almighty Deep State is out to get Trump in such fashion why haven’t they just pushed him out a window?”

      Elegant solution that.

  6. Magbeth4 says:

    Actually, the quote is translated as: “Against ignorance, the Gods labour in vain.” My father quoted this often to us when we were growing up, whenever we were frustrated with people telling lies.
    Stupid people cannot help themselves one way or the other from lack of brain power. One can be ignorant, but ignorance can be overcome by the Truth. Repeat it, repeat it repeat it!

    • pH unbalanced says:

      The quote absolutely has the word “themselves” in it, because Isaac Asimov has a Hugo and Nebula winning novel “The Gods Themselves” where the title was taken from the quote.

      His gloss of it was: “Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.”

      • Matt Foley says:

        “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
        -Isaac Asimov

      • Magbeth4 says:

        The point is, regarding the word, stupidity. Stupidity and ignorance are two different things. Stupidity connotes low IQ. Ignorance can be found everywhere, even here.

        And, by the way, my father who taught me the quote was a German who was educated in German between the wars and earned 2 degrees at Leipzig University and Conservatory.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          The discussion isn’t personal; it’s strictly academic. It’s easy to check Schiller’s original German against Swanwick’s early Victorian translation. Gutenberg cites for both are below at 7.38 pm, from Act III, scene vi (Dritter Aufzug, Sechster Auftritt).

          “Dummheit” is in the original. As illustrated by Langenscheidt, an academic publisher of dictionaries, its most popular contemporary meaning is “stupidity,” but it can convey other meanings, depending on context, conveyed in English by foolishness and ignorance.

          Were one able to debate Swanwick’s choice of “stupidity” with her, the discussion might include the art of finding words that fit the rhyme, meter, and intellectual preferences of early Victorian poets.

          https://en.langenscheidt.com/german-english/dummheit

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Your father’s translation is an elegant aphorism. It seems more abrupt than Swanwick’s Victorian version.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Asimov’s book title isn’t the best evidence, but it is accurate. From Schiller’s play, the Maid of Orleans (Die Jungfrau von Orleans):

      “Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens.”

      “Against (literally, “with”) stupidity, the gods themselves struggle/contend/fight in vain.”

      Poetic license aside, “themselves” (“selbst”) is in the original. It emphasizes the point that even the gods have trouble, less with stupidity, but with stupid people.

    • Konny_2022 says:

      Your father may have paraphrased the quote. Certainly there are multiple translations. The one I found on the internet (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Friedrich_Schiller) goes “Against stupidity the very gods / Themselves contend in vain.” This is much closer to the German original “Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.”

      Anyhow, this shouldn’t discourage us from fighting for the truth.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Against stupidity the very gods
        Themselves contend in vain.

        That’s from a popular 1843 translation by Anna Swanwick, which Anglicizes and translates 18th century poetic German into the rhyme and meter of early Victorian poetic English. “Themselves” is in the original, “very” has been added to emphasize the gods, and “contend” softens the more combative German “kaempfen.”

    • harpie says:

      This German Quotations site says there are 2 similar Schiller quotes…
      the second of which is sometimes mistakenly attributed to Goethe.

      https://xn--sprche-zitate-yob.de/schiller-zitate/
      1] „Gegen Torheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.“ – „Die Jungfrau von Orleans“

      2] „Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.“ – „Wallenstein“

      I think “Torheit” is usually translated as folly, and “Dummheit” as stupidity.

    • harpie says:

      This is the Swanwick translation of the passage from “The Maid of Orleans”
      in the Wikiquotes link above:

      Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
      Against stupidity the very gods
      Themselves contend in vain.

      Exalted reason,
      Resplendent daughter of the head divine,
      Wise foundress of the system of the world,
      Guide of the stars, who art thou then if thou,
      Bound to the tail of folly’s uncurbed steed,
      Must, vainly shrieking with the drunken crowd,
      Eyes open, plunge down headlong in the abyss.

      Accursed, who striveth after noble ends,
      And with deliberate wisdom forms his plans!
      To the fool-king belongs the world.

      That middle part is a great description
      of how it feels to have gone down any rabbit hole. [Ask me how I know!]

  7. RitaRita says:

    Since there likely will be no trial before the election, the Trump apologists know that the way is clear to propagandize the case in any way that benefits Trump. They also know that Biden will not be able to use the allegations as fully as possible because he does not want to jeopardize the case.

    It is asymmetrical information warfare.

    • Shadowalker says:

      I would be surprised if Biden made that part of the campaign, even a conviction (there will be appeals should that happen). Biden should keep politics out of both the DOJ and the courts.

    • ExRacerX says:

      It’s already asymmetrical, but not in the way you suggest: Biden has a platform. Despite securing the Republican nomination, Trump has not yet released his.

      Am I being too harsh? If personal grievance constitutes a plank, I’ll concede Trump has a one-plank platform.

  8. David F. Snyder says:

    (Sing a song, bro)
    Now if a 10 turned out to be 2,
    that just ain’t true —
    that ain’t true!
    If all the MAGAts took off all their caps
    they’d still think crap
    they’d still think crap.
    Dig,
    cause they got their own (delusional) world to live through
    and they sure aren’t going to make sense.

    (apologies to Jimi)

  9. Fancy Chicken says:

    Thank you for dismantling this twisted argument and illustrating how MAGAt attacks and trolling have taken over any real debate on Xitter.

    For those of us who don’t do social media, when we hear these ridiculous arguments they are real head scratchers as to how they originated, got any traction and seem completely divested from reality.

    WaPo the other day did a piece ( https://wapo.st/3URAjnY ) showing how Trump, with his skimpy following on his platform, still manages to get his wackadoo ideas and smear jobs to translate to Xitter and a much bigger audience by amplification from MAGAt propagandists with huge followings which then trickle down to a wider audience.

    They nail the problem much as you do-

    The phenomenon is a “steroidal version of political messaging,” according to Chris Stirewalt, politics editor at NewsNation and a former political editor at Fox News. “Trump says or does something egregious and the people who are currying favor with him say, ‘Well, let’s workshop this,’ and they share his message on their own account, but add their own twist.”

    Sounds a lot like what Ms. Julie has done with her boxes shmoxes story.

    Sadly, it seems like the only best option to fight this disinformation is as Rayne has suggested in order to be proactive in messaging against it. But it would require a great amount of promotion for defenders to find such a resource and use it.

    Sorry so wordy, but I feel like I have a rock in my stomach confronting the power and efficacy these MAGAts have to throw the election for Trump.

  10. John Lehman says:

    A shell game with an octopus, one pea and many shells.
    Thank you, thank you for your clear vision .

  11. Bruce Olsen says:

    Kelly: Symmetrical book stacking! Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947!

    Yes, Julie, no human would stack books like that.

  12. Keithly! says:

    For your delectation.

    The Ballad of the honorable Aileen Cannon (with apologies to Dolly Parton):

    [Chorus]
    Aileen, Aileen, Aileen, Aileen
    We’re beggin’ of you, don’t dismiss the case.
    Aileen, Aileen, Aileen, Aileen
    Please remember Trump’s a big disgrace.

    [Verse 1]
    Your judgments are beyond compare
    With timelines that are seldom fair
    With reasoning fit for a drama queen.
    Your reputation’s down the drain
    Your arguments would break a brain
    And we cannot put up with you, Aileen

    [Verse 2]
    Trump talks about you like a creep
    And there’s nothin’ we can do to keep
    From sighin’ when he calls your name, Aileen
    And we can easily understand
    How you could easily free the man
    But you don’t care what he’s done to us, Aileen.

    [Chorus]
    Aileen, Aileen, Aileen, Aileen
    We’re beggin’ of you, don’t dismiss the case.
    Aileen, Aileen, Aileen, Aileen
    Please remember Trump’s a big disgrace.

    [Verse 3]
    You could have your choice of clerks
    But no one likes to work for jerks.
    That’s a problem, seems to me, Aileen.
    We had to have this talk with you,
    Our happiness depends on you,
    And whatever you decide to do, Aileen.

    [Chorus]
    Aileen, Aileen, Aileen, Aileen
    We’re beggin’ of you, don’t dismiss the case.
    Aileen, Aileen, Aileen, Aileen
    Please remember Trump’s a big disgrace.

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      Her reputation may be down the drain, but others have called Stormy “a human toilet” and Stormy responds, “Exactly! Making me the best person to flush the orange turd down.”
      To which the orange turd’s attorney Necheles asked whether that meant Stormy’d be instrumental in getting rid of him.
      I proclaim “Stormy for Judge!”

    • David F. Snyder says:

      “There are 10 types of people: those that know binary and those that don’t.”

  13. Termagant says:

    @Rayne on May 10, 2024 at 5:48 pm·
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  14. CovariantTensor says:

    Narpington says:
    May 10, 2024 at 5:18 am
    “I’m confused now. Assuming you mixed up superscript and subscript*,
    100 ≠ 1024.
    1000 (ie 10^3) ≈ 1024 so still doesn’t work.
    Or was that somehow your point?”

    They look like subscripts to me. Is anyone else seeing superscripts?

    I don’t know how it was done either, but however it was, it worked for me. Maybe it’s because I long ago installed an add-on in Firefox to read Wofram’s Mathematica articles.

    There used to be a way to reveal HTML codes but either it’s gone or I’m not drilling down the right menus.

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