The Zombie Case against Trump’s Indicted Co-Conspirators
Jack Smith signed the motion to dismiss the January 6 case against Trump, but his appellate lawyer, James Pearce, (digitally) signed the parallel request before the 11th Circuit.
Who knows whether that means anything.
But now that Smith has committed to sustaining the appeal of Judge Aileen Cannon’s decision as it applies to Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, someone needs to take over the case and write the reply, which is due on December 2. Pearce has done the primary work for all Jack Smith’s appeals and so could do so here — or, perhaps Jack Smith will close up shop, along with Pearce, and let Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar take over before she’s replaced by John Sauer in January.
One way or another, there’s likely to be a transfer of the Zombie case back to DOJ, where it will be suffocated with pillows never to be heard from again.
The decision to sustain the Nauta and De Oliveira case just long enough for Trump to shut down next year has certain ramifications I only touched in passing in this discussion with Harry Litman about what we might get in a report from Jack Smith, which is probably more accessible than this post about what declination decisions we might see (transcript here).
First, they’ve got due process rights. Meaning, you can’t say anything in a report that might endanger their ability to get a fair trial (a trial they’ll never face, of course). That may lead to redactions of the sort we saw in the original Mueller Report but which were re-released under FOIA. Or it may lead prosecutors to gloss certain things — such as the obstruction — in the report. In the chat with Litman, I noted that ABC reported that Walt Nauta and Trump went back to Mar-a-Lago after hiding documents from the FBI, which might make the report. But if it appears in there, it would need to be presented in such a way to protect Nauta’s due process rights.
It’s possible, even, that until the appeal, DOJ would avoid describing the investigative steps taken in the documents case after Smith was appointed in November 2022. The logic of Cannon’s opinion basically wiped out all that investigative work. Poof. Though it’s possible that Julie Edelstein and David Raskin — who left Smith’s team in October — have done something to recreate some of the work, such as the declassification that had happened in advance of an imagined Florida trial.
Meanwhile, sustaining the case against Nauta and De Oliveira creates an interesting dilemma for DOJ that may have repercussions for others and Trump’s DOJ going forward: how to get rid of the appeal. He would pay least political capital by just dismissing the appeal. But that would reflect a DOJ stance that Jack Smith was unconstitutionally appointed — something that might bind DOJ going forward (as if Pam Bondi won’t just pick Trumpy US Attorneys to do her dirty work like Bill Barr did) — though that may be unavoidable if Trump’s Solicitor General and Deputy Attorney General had both argued that Smith was unconstitutionally appointed, as they have.
But that would go some way to arguing that David Weiss’ appointment as Special Counsel is unconstitutional as well. It might give Hunter Biden, if his father doesn’t pardon him (and Alexander Smirnov, if he is convicted next month and not pardoned) cause to enjoin Weiss’ prosecutors from publishing a report; it would also make Hunter’s appeal of his charges far easier, especially in Los Angeles, where Weiss is not the confirmed US Attorney.
Which may be why (as both Litman and I suggested) Trump might want to pardon Hunter — to give the air of magnanimity to unintended consequences of his efforts to kill the case against him. To say nothing of the transparency into Trump’s first term that Hunter might get if he succeeds with his other appeals.
The case against Nauta and De Oliveira will be dead, one way or another, in two months. But until then, it’ll exist as a Zombie, having potentially unanticipated consequences.
Update: The full Jack Smith team has submitted its reply brief.
The prosecution of Hunter Biden has served its purpose and I think most of the MAGA would be happy to let Hunter go now.
It is obviously a blow to those of us concerned with rule of law, but I don’t know how I feel about Special Prosecutor appointments in general.
Of course, an argument in principle is kind of a fools errand since I really doubt the good faith of the other side.
Your generosity and good will regarding Hunter Biden are not much in evidence in the Church of Donald Trump, where there’s no such thing as enough, and revenge, preferably against the weak, is the order of the day.
I mean, thank you for the compliment, but I think you misunderstand me. I am not banking on good will, or generosity from Trump or MAGA.
I think the MAGA are more than willing to exchange further beating on Hunter for the complete neutering of Special Prosecutors. Trump is highly transactional, right? And it isn’t like Joe Biden is ever going to be in public life again.
No, they are going to have brand new targets to demonize. I would expect them to take aim at Gavin Newsom, for instance, and maybe both Tim Wallz and Josh Shapiro. Hunter is going down the memory hole. Maybe there will be others. They are more strategic than you give them credit for. To quote Ollivander, “Evil, but great”
Donald Trump and his MAGA horde will never have enough victims to attack. I don’t imagine they would ever give up one named Biden.
The first sign that you’re a better person than MAGA Republicans is that you’ve forgotten that they still hate Hillary in 2024. If Trump succeeds in weaponizing DOJ at the level he’s hoping for, I’m SURE they’ll indict her for something …
I am still trying to understand why DJT’s lawyers did not oppose the dismissal without prejudice.
Trmp heard “without prejudice” and since he doesn’t have a racist bone in his body, in fact is the least racist person ever, he agrees he’s without and beyond prejudice (and the law, whatever that is).
Moot point, given the running of the SOL, and not a reason to delay the dismissal. But dismissal won’t stop Trump exacting his revenge.
He still wants revenge on the Central Park Five, even though they’ve been exonerated. The guy has little chance of learning anything that doesn’t help him personally.
For certain (Trumpian) values of “little”, “little” equals “none”.
A Shakespearean-level tangled web, on steroids. I can’t believe Marcy’s level of detail retention and contextual organization. If she were to pimp brain supplements, I’d use them.
With regard to the unknown missing classified docs: might Smith’s team be able to identify, with a mind to alerting the country and the world, suspected missing docs that might have serious, or even dire, natsec implications? And weren’t there some docs that Kislyak and Lavrov walked away with from their shrouded Oval Office visit?
If the Onion could bid and win Info Wars media assets, then maybe it’s possible to obtain their brain supplements.
Your suggestion may have opportunities.
Typo? I think you meant “brain-suppression supplements.”
Brain suppression supplements may be more apt!
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https://www.wired.com/story/alex-jones-bankruptcy-money-dr-jones-supplement-business/
Jack Smith filed his reply brief almost a week early. I think the reason is he’d like a decision reversing the district court before Trump takes office. In that case, even if Trump immediately pardons De Nauta and Olivera or the new DOJ dismisses the charges as to them, DOJ still has the precedent it likes on the books. That may be more important to DOJ than being able to write about those two more freely in Jack Smiths report (and have it be released immediately and without redactions).
A potential Trump pardon of Hunter could also be part of a deal Trump could make with the Intelligence Community. Hunter was likely some sort of CIA asset, and they would want the activity to remain quiet.
In this scenario, I would expect Trump to extract something of value from the Intelligence Community. Similar to what I believe happened with the JFK declassification in October 2017. Trump, pushed by Roger Stone, over promised he would declassify all JFK Files. Then he caved to CIA requests to keep more documents classified, and a couple of days later Kushner quietly showed up in Saudi Arabia with intelligence that allowed MBS to conduct mass arrests at the Ritz Carlton.
If Trump were to pardon Hunter, I would be on the lookout for some nation to similarly end up with some information that originated from the US IC. But, I personally believe more likely Biden will pardon or commute Hunter’s sentences.
I believe the weaponizing of JFK declassification also contributes to Roger’s view of Kushner.
“Hunter was likely some sort of CIA asset, and they would want the activity to remain quiet.”
Got anything to back up that assertion? Because it sounds like CT.
(ETA: I can’t see any three-letter agency using someone like him. Conspicuous, well-connected politically, conspicuous…)
When I get a chance I could compile a bulleted list of reasons if people would find that helpful.
I came to that belief pretty early on in starting to research the Hunter Biden laptop, roughly March of 2023. It quickly became apparent that the laptop scandal is an extension of the Crimea annexation and Trump’s first impeachment.
It didn’t really make sense to me that then Secretary of State John Kerry was acting like he never heard of Hunter Biden or Burisma, when Kerry’s former chief of staff just signed on to be a lobbyist for Burisma and Hunter was business partners with Kerry’s stepson (not to mention the Vice President’s son). And Burisma being in a strategic position for the Russia-Crimea conflict in the energy sector. Not to mention the Crimea issue should be at the top of Kerry’s agenda of world activity to pay attention to.
Since then I have only seen more to solidify my belief.
Miranda Devine’s new book adds details connecting Hunter to National Democratic Institute and their tie to CIA.
Though Devine presents her work as original analysis, I don’t believe she has it in her to make such analysis. I believe she is some sort of propaganda front for someone who doesn’t like the CIA.
After I made a recent lengthy comment about this, I looked more closely and see that Mike Benz has been the biggest promoter of Hunter being CIA. He was installed into the State Dept during the 2020 transition, so who knows maybe got access to certain information there.
Devine gives one quote to him in her book in this section, but doesn’t credit him exactly for this information. Maybe he is her source.
I note the contrast between your comments at 8:50 and 8:58
Miranda Devine is a proven toxic conspiracy theorist and propagandist.
That she helped you solidify a belief in some fact she has asserted is …. Um, an unfortunate declaration against interest.
Except as a patsy.
Nothing will happen to the “Zombie” defendants. They’re going to walk. If anything, they’ll get Medals of Freedom.
Feel free to dunk on me if I’m wrong a year from now.
Re the dilemma for the SC and Current DoJ in dealing with Nauta related issues in the report.
“due process rights. Meaning, you can’t say anything in a report that might endanger their ability to get a fair trial (a trial they’ll never face, of course). That may lead to redactions of the sort we saw in the original Mueller Report but which were re-released under FOIA. Or it may lead prosecutors to gloss certain things — such as the obstruction — in the report”
As you have pointed out everybody anticipates and expects the Nauta prosecution to be terminated in 1) one way shape or form 2) within a short period of Trump inauguration.
Developing on your theme of FOIA leading to release of further information, once such reasons for redaction have expired/ been extinguished, I have a question as to whether a way of handling this issue within the report might be as follows;
could
1) the SC and the Current DoJ build into the report an effective trip switch/sunset clause?
2) which is either
a) self executing for release under FOIA, or
b) at least operates as an explicit invitation to interested persons to make relevant FOIA applications once the conditions are met?
On this FOIA trip switch theory I imagine something like this
A) A chapter devoted to Nauta material which requires redaction at present
B) which includes all relevant cross-reference to points and matters in other chapters
C) An unredacted opening paragraph to the chapter explaining why the particular redactions are necessary and appropriate at present, and how the redactions become inappropriate and contrary to FOIA in certain anticipated circumstances which render redaction inappropriate, unnecessary and unlawful.
So flagging all the material which either by operation of law, or by triggering applications under FOIA would lead to the publication of the material in question.
Keep hope alive ! ! !
I watched your interview with Harry Litman carefully. I find Harry to be one of the best Meidas Touch Network affiliates, when it comes to being accurate, but about halfway through the video with him trying to keep up with you, his brain absolutely exploded.
Everyone who talks with you ends up gasping at some point, because of your comprehensive understanding of anything you talk about. You are truly a gift to America, and now, to Ireland.