It’s Not the Shameless Executive Power Grab in Plain Sight, It’s the Attempt to Retcon It Afterwards

This, from Steve Vladeck, is a helpful piece on the plight of Mamoud Khalil, the Columbia student detained by ICE the other day whom Trump is trying to deport. As he describes, the case is clearly an attempt to police speech, but (as many things are in a counterterrorism frame) the Trump administration might well offer up some plausible legal justifications to defend their actions.

[A]lthough what the government has done to this point is profoundly disturbing, and is, in my view, unconstitutional retaliation for First Amendment-protected speech, I’m not sure it is as clearly unlawful as a lot of folks online have suggested. And that’s a pretty big problem all by itself.

[snip]

Third, what is the legal basis pursuant to which the government is seeking to remove Khalil?
This brings us to the central “merits” question. What is the exact basis on which Khalil, in the government’s view, is subject to removal from the United States? Suffice it to say, President Trump’s social media post is not exactly specific here, nor has Secretary of State Rubio provided much additional clarity.

For what it’s worth, my best guess (and it is only a guess) is that the government is going to rely upon one or both of two very specific provision of immigration law.

The first, 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(4)(C), provides that “An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.” There’s a caveat protecting such a non-citizen from removal “because of the alien’s past, current, or expected beliefs, statements, or associations, if such beliefs, statements, or associations would be lawful within the United States,” but only “unless the Secretary of State personally determines that the alien’s [continued presence] would compromise a compelling United States foreign policy interest.” Thus, if Secretary Rubio makes (or has made) such a personal determination, that would provide at least an outwardly lawful basis for pursuing Khalil’s removal—so long as Rubio has also made timely notifications of his determinations to the chairs of the House Foreign Affairs, Senate Foreign Relations, and House and Senate Judiciary Committees required by 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(C)(iv). (I’ve seen no evidence that he’s done so, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t.)

The second provision is 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(VII), which renders both inadmissible and removable any non-citizen who “endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization.” Perhaps the argument is going to be that, insofar as Khalil was involved in organizing pro-Palestinian protests on Columbia’s campus, he was “endors[ing] or espous[ing]” terrorist activity (to wit, by Hamas).

I know there’s a lot of technical language here. The key point is that it’s at least possible that the government has a non-frivolous case for seeking Khalil’s removal under one or both of these provisions—especially if Secretary Rubio invoked § 1227(a)(4)(C). And insofar as the government is relying upon those provisions to pursue Khalil’s removal, that might bring with it a sufficient statutory basis for his arrest and detention pending his removal proceeding. We’ll see what the government actually says when it files a defense of its behavior before Judge Furman; for present purposes, it seems worth stressing that there may well be a legal basis for its deeply troubling conduct. [my emphasis]

I of course don’t question Vladeck’s legal analysis (some immigration experts were pointing to the same immigration law provisions as well).

I instead want to suggest that with this case, as with several others, it appears that the Trump Administration made a shameless power grab without doing their investigative work first. So what we see going forward may be nothing more than an attempt to retcon it, to change their story after the fact to adjust for new facts.

Here are some ways Trump has been retconning (or attempting to) in the 50 days of this short term already.

  • After Elon Musk made exaggerated claims about NYC’s use of hotels to house migrants paid for by a FEMA grant, Kristi Noem loudly bragged that she had fired the people involved and had clawed back the money involved. In its lawsuit suing to get the money back, NYC disputes the underlying claim that the government had pointed to (that Roosevelt Hotel was being used to support crime and NYC knew it). One of the fired workers, Mary Comans, disputed Noem’s claim about her own firing in one declaration. And now she’s suing not just for her termination, but for the false claims made about her publicly. As that suit was being filed, a top FEMA lawyer was fired, and those involved suspect it had to do with a request that the lawyer make claims about the clawback to give it legal justification.
  • After Elon and others repeatedly claims made in a Project Veritas video about efforts to fund the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund at the end of the Biden Administration, Lee Zeldin bragged that he would claw back that funding, in such a way that may expose him to legal claims. In an attempt to do that, Emil Bove and Ed Martin pressured a senior DC USAO prosecutor, Denise Cheung, to not just freeze the funds, but do so with a claim of probable cause based on the PV video. That led her to quit and release her resignation statement. Only after that, the FBI interviewed the guy in the PV video; according to his attorney, Mark Zaid, he had nothing to do with the disbursements in question. And since then, Ed Martin has been jurisdiction shopping attempting to pursue this case. Zeldin is trying to get the Acting Inspector General to invent justification for this after the fact. One of the entities involved, Climate Fund, has sued the EPA, Zeldin, and Citibank (there will be a hearing on its request for a TRO tomorrow).
  • With a great many DOGE activities (but most obviously with the USAID closure), the government initially claimed that it had stopped funding pursuant to Trump’s first-day Executive Orders, but after providers got Temporary Restraining Orders, the government (as laid out in a series of court declarations by Pete Marocco, in the USAID case) claimed, instead, that everything was shut down pursuant to a contract review involving Marco Rubio. The shutdown of contracts by itself may be totally legal (or at least defensible), but the way they did so raises real questions about whether the government was lying about Rubio’s personal involvement in the review process, and therefore its legality. (I’ll return to this example, and Rubio’s agency — double entendre intended — more generally, in a follow-up.)

With all of these things, like the Khalil detention, there might be some legal argument that it was legal.

But along the way, because the government didn’t have their story straight when they took action, they subsequently took actions that may cause, at the very least, legal friction going forward, if not legal liability themselves. Noem made allegedly false claims about Comans. A FEMA lawyer resigned, potentially available to offer conflicting testimony about what happened. Cheung resigned, loudly, exposing her opinion that Martin didn’t have criminal probable cause to pursue the clawback. Martin jurisdiction shopped. Marocco has made claims in declarations that defy credulity (and even conflict with a tweet Rubio posted yesterday).

More judges have gotten dragged in, with the kinds of fact sets that tend to piss off judges.

In Khalil’s case, there are several details that suggest the Trump Administration may be trying to retcon their basis for detaining him.

First, there were several right wing groups who first doxed and then targeted him. As with the PV video, right wingers are running with allegations regardless of the evidence. Last year after Columbia booted Khalil, they reversed the decision for lack of evidence. A right wing dossier on Khalil doesn’t actually include examples of antisemitism — but it dies invoke Hamas relentlessly. More recently, State has been doing AI searches to target people; thus far, anything this government has done with AI has had ridiculous problem. So there’s good reason to believe there was shitty information that went in the front end of this effort.

Further, it appears that ICE didn’t know that Khalil was a Green Card holder when they came to arrest him. The habeas petition claims that the agents “looked confused” when he provided proof of status.

15. On the evening of March 8, 2025, at approximately 8:30 p.m., [redacted] and his wife were returning to their Columbia University-owned apartment from a friend’s home. When they arrived at their apartment building, [redacted] and his wife were approached by approximately four people who were dressed in plain clothes. All of them entered the lobby of the apartment building.

16. When the people approached and his wife, they asked, “Are you [redacted]? When [redacted] answered in the affirmative, the men identified themselves as being with the Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”) and that they have to take into custody. The agents told [redacted]’s wife to go up to her apartment, and that if she would not leave they threatened to arrest her, too.

17. [redacted]’s wife retrieved s immigration documents to show the agent that is a lawful
permanent resident. She handed the documents to the agent, who was talking to someone on the
phone. The agent looked confused when he saw the documents and said, “He has a green card.”
[redacted]’s wife heard the agent repeat that they were being ordered to bring in anyways.

[snip]

Attorney Greer identified herself as s attorney and asked who she was speaking with. The agent identified himself as Special Agent Elvin Hernandez of Homeland Security. Attorney Greer asked if Agent Hernandez had a warrant, and he answered in the affirmative, stating that [redacted]’s student visa had been revoked by the U.S. Department of State and therefore they were detaining him. Attorney Greer advised Agent Hernandez that is a lawful permanent resident and has the right to due process. Agent Hernandez responded that the Department of State had revoked [redacted]’s green card, too, and that he would be brought in front of an immigration judge. The agent stated that he would be taking to 26 Federal Plaza.

19. The agents then handcuffed and brought him outside where there were multiple vehicles
waiting. [redacted]’s wife asked for the names of the agents, their contact information, and how to
reach them to follow up on her husband’s detention, but they only advised her that would be
taken to 26 Federal Plaza, and otherwise refused to speak with her. They left her no business card
or any information at all as to how to find out where her husband will be taken, on what grounds,
or who she can contact. [my emphasis]

If the backup to the warrant to detain Khalil was premised on him being a student visa holder (this Tweet targeting Khalil directly asks Rubio to strip his visa), then it’s almost impossible that Marco Rubio would have done the concerted review that stripping him of his Green Card would require (much less the notice to Congress, which Vladeck laid out above), just as it’s “implausible” that Rubio really reviewed the USAID contracts that got shut down.

That is, the ICE agent’s representation that State had stripped Khalil’s visa when they detained him may not yet have been true, whatever else State tries going forward.

Finally, while it is normal for ICE to whisk people off to Louisiana like they did Khalil and normal for it to take a day or so to show up in the system (meaning, he wasn’t specifically disappeared, but rather, America’s detention systems work in this Kafkaesque way normally), the current record suggests that ICE moved Khalil after his attorneys had submitted the habeas petition. As Vladeck notes, that should help Khalil to retain the jurisdiction in SDNY, before Jesse Fruman and in the Second rather than Fifth Circuits.

Kahlil is currently being held in Jena, Louisiana—which is in the Alexandria Division of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana (and, as importantly, the Fifth Circuit). It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the government tried to argue that the New York federal courts lack jurisdiction over Kahlil’s petition—because they lack jurisdiction over his “immediate custodian,” i.e., the head of the ICE detention facility in Jena. Indeed, this is the exact argument on which the Bush administration prevailed in the Supreme Court in the Jose Padilla case in 2004—when a U.S. citizen detained in South Carolina as an “enemy combatant” sought to challenge his detention in Manhattan, which is where he had last been before he was transferred to military custody.

But there are two potential grounds on which Padilla can be distinguished. First, in Padilla, the habeas petition wasn’t filed until after Padilla had been physically removed from the Southern District of New York. Here, Khalil’s lawyers have represented that they filed before he was transferred to Louisiana (at 4:40 a.m., no less!). If that’s true (and there’s no reason to believe that it isn’t), that would make this a very different case. After all, different line of Supreme Court precedent provides that the federal government can’t defeat jurisdiction in a habeas case by transferring the petitioner after the petition is filed.

But it also raised questions about whether ICE was trying to whisk him away to defeat the legal proceeding that was pending as soon as that petition was filed.

There’s that old adage, which seems inoperative since Nixon, that it’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up. With Trump and under expansive authorities of Article II, it often looks like it’s not the initial power grab that might create legal problems. It’s the attempt to retcon that power grab after it becomes clear the facts were not what Trump or others believed when the Administration took action.

Over and over, Trump 2.0 has taken aggressive steps based off bullshit, much of it coming from Elon or other far right propagandists. And over and over, Trump’s top people keep creating problems for themselves as they try to adjust the (legal) narrative to match their evolving understanding of the facts.

So as we go forward with discussions about Khalil, don’t necessarily assume that legal justifications that the government could have used were yet the legal justifications they may argue going forward.

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  1. BRUCE F COLE says:

    Thanks for the “retcon” link, Marcy. I hadn’t bothered to look it up before, thinking that it merely meant the rejiggering of a strategy. Turns out, it means the rejiggering of an *already fictional* narrative to fit a newly concocted story-line. Seems like that’s a go-to term for the continuous morphing of the lie-riddled, lawless abomination of our democracy that we’re living through right now.

    With that in mind, should your title have a “just” inserted between the “not” and the “the?”

    • Opiwannn says:

      “Retcon” is a portmanteau of “retroactive continuity” (usually with “adjustment” appended after), which I have deep experience with in my multiple decades of role play gaming (tabletop and electronic). I believe the word itself (if not the concept, which has been part of literature for far longer) originated from the comic industry, and more specifically the superhero (DC/Marvel) genre.

      Semantically, I would argue that what the Trump admin seems to be in a constant state of performing is revisionist history instead of a retcon, since the latter requires that the ACTUAL events within the fictional universe are changed (and that it would be impossible to find evidence of the previous state since it would no longer exist, and within that context, never HAD existed, either). The end results are the same once the powers that be agree with the revisions, at which time the distinction between the two “types of change” becomes moot.

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        Well, I guess I’d refer you to Trump’s oft-repeated, completely imaginary designation of himself as “King,” which fits very snugly with his behavior since the first day of his second term in office. He’s operating from a thoroughly fictional framework of Presidential authority that oversteps even the monarchical authority that George III had back in that day.

        In the case that this post unravels, along with the three parallel examples of the NYC refugee clawback by Noem, the Zeldin attempted clawback of Greenhouse Gas money, and the Musk dismemberment of USAID, Trump’s orders to dismantle those Constitutionally constructed entities and programs were themselves fictional applications of his actual Executive powers.

        Indeed, Trump is playing his role very much as a gamer would attempt to conquer some fictional world that doesn’t exist outside the parameters of the gamers’ minds. And I use the plural “gamers” to indicate his sycophants, minions and thugs that are pulling the imaginary levers for him: Musk, Bondi, Bove, Zeldin, etc, etc. He couldn’t do it without the assistance of those fellow fictional game-players.

        “Retcon” fits, IOW.

      • Rayne says:

        Which of the two terms do you think mostly white American male centrists will be piqued by and grasp more quickly when reading the headline on this post? “…It’s the Attempt to Revise History Afterwards” or “…It’s the Attempt to Retcon It Afterwards”?

        Do you think that same audience will be otaku pedants concerned about the difference you’ve outlined when the point is this administration is making up shit as they go along to excuse their unlawful overreach?

  2. charlie_on_the_MTA says:

    I’ll also point to the ongoing case in SF, American Federation Of Government Employees, AFL-CIO v. United States Office of Personnel Management.

    Head of OPM is being asked to testify directly. Normally USG could get out of this but I’d say in this case his personal testimony may be necessary.

    Likewise, I don’t see how you can’t avoid Rubio testifying in front of Judge Ali with the facts laid out.

    This is what happens when you run government by Twitter, and not the federal register.

    • Art Eclectic_Sandy says:

      They seem to have already landed on a strategy of impeaching any judges who might happen to view the law from a non-Trumpian perspective.

  3. Scott_in_MI says:

    One could also include the who’s-in-charge shenaningans around DOGE as another example of the administration’s retcons-in-progress.

  4. bawiggans says:

    Perhaps it is a feature of the Trump/Musk executive action model that following rash action, liberal legal commentary attempting to make sense of it is monitored for the most plausible or defensible theory raised and that!

    • thequickbrownfox says:

      I believe this was gamed out. Khali was transferred to Louisiana because it is a difficult location to travel to, and it creates a dispute about judicial districts. This will be fought out in the court system, meanwhile Khali is in detention. The legal fight could be drawn out for a considerable time, maybe years, during which Khali will have a choice of dropping his case and being deported, or remaining in a situation that amounts to an indefinite jail term. They have him, and they aren’t going to let go.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        Importantly, as EW mentions, Louisiana is in the Fifth Circuit. The Fifth, presided over by Chief Judge James (“the other”) Ho, is notoriously the most reactionary so-called “conservative” district in the country.

        • Rayne says:

          Except Navalny was an opposition leader who ran for office against Putin.

          Khalil was merely exercising his First Amendment rights as far as we can tell from reported information, and his complaints aren’t aimed solely at the U.S. government since Gaza is not the direct purview of the U.S. One might wonder if Netanyahu had any role at all in this case.

      • AndTheSlithyToves says:

        Agree with you @quickbrownfox — more distracting kayfabe and using anything/everything for props, no matter the consequences.
        @Rayne — March 11, 2025 at 4:49 pm: And before Navalny, Boris Nemtsov and countless others were murdered by the KGB serial killer. A miracle happened last fall when he released Vladimir Kara-Murza, a brilliant historian. https://youtu.be/Q8uXUv-yP8M
        Netanyahu had better watch his back.

  5. Frank Probst says:

    I’ll go ahead and ask the rhetorical questions, just for the sake of completeness. Has anyone been able to produce a copy of the warrant that the government allegedly had for this guy? And is it standard procedure to simply display a copy of an alleged warrant on your phone?

    And we haven’t even gotten to the part where someone claims that at some point, Mamoud Khalil lied to a federal agent. That’s often the next phase of this playbook. Good luck getting that into the FD-302s. It looks like Greer documented the events in excruciating detail. It’s going to be hard for them to go back and rewrite the history here.

    • Christine Allen says:

      Good question. They waved a phone at his wife saying they had a warrant. When his lawyer asked them to send it to her, they hung up on her.

  6. Frank Probst says:

    The Guardian is reporting that Judge Fruman has blocked the deportation. They have a link to his order, and he does not appear to be amused.

  7. Cheez Whiz says:

    Ah, the War on Terror, the gift that will never stop giving thugs and con artists a Go Directly To Jail card for all enemies, foreign and domestic, real and imaginary. All nice and legal-like.

    Those of us who have not studied law should have figured out by now that virtually any action can be spun as lawful or unlawful, given a skilled and motivated enough lawyer. We are drowning in evidence of the proposition. A judge may need convincing but there are a lot of Aliotos and Cannons out there. And there are always appeals. In short, even when retconing doesn’t work, it muddies the waters and slows the legal system down, which is close enough to a win for government work.

    • Gacyclist says:

      The “patriot act” the gift that keeps on giving. Surely this will be used against democrats in the future, or anyone that isn’t redhat wearing maga.

      • Bugboy321 says:

        RE: “Patriot Act” I remember thinking we were toast, when this post-birth abortion of so-called “legislation” showed up some 3 weeks after 9-11 occurred. That told me someone (probably from PNAC) had it ready to go in the event of something like 9-11.

        • BardiJon says:

          The Bush administration sat on what became 9-11 for some three months (US pilots were initially informed mid-June, the US AG quit using Commercial aircraft a week later)
          It is almost like “they” wanted something like that to happen.
          Of course, it was several years later that Ms. Rice said, “…but we never thought they would fly into buildings.”
          It is like Israel sitting on information about Hamas practicing invasion for a year prior to their actual horror show.

        • LaMissy! says:

          To Bugboy :

          Having been stripped of my bodily autonomy, I’d suggest a different metaphor than “post birth abortion” for the (un)Patriotic Act might be better received by half the population.

          Thanks.

  8. P J Evans says:

    When did the 1st Amendment get repealed?
    (AIUI, the protests were on behalf of Gaza residents and ending the war against them – they didn’t elect Hamas.)

  9. charlie_on_the_MTA says:

    If Rubio signed off on this with the expectation this was a student visa, is the arrest ultra vires?

  10. Savage Librarian says:

    Having been subject to some retcons back in the day, I can say I found them both startling and daunting. The lengths to which some people went to manage and maintain appearances was odious. And, even when someone in a key position of power realized and admitted to others that it had been unwise to listen to those people who created the retcon, the retcon persisted. Circling the wagons is not just a cliche.

    So, I believe that Mamoud Khalil has a long road of challenges ahead. But I also think there is a good possibility that he may eventually prevail.

    And, Marcy, I’m still thinking about Meirav Solomon’s testimony to Congress that you graciously shared with us (March 7.) As you stated:

    “Solomon challenged the notion that you shut down antisemitism by policing campuses. Indeed, she focused instead on Trump’s cuts to Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights. She pointed to the antisemitism of, “the President’s close advisors [who] raise their arms in fascist salutes.”

    So, in the end, my Constitutional rights prevailed. If the evidence is in his favor, I hope the same will hold true for Mamoud Khalil. And I hope the John Roberts’ court supports the Constitution, as well. They swore an oath and have a duty to ensure that we honor the promise of the forthcoming Semiquincentennial of our republic.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Savage Librarian, I hope that Mahmoud Khalil possesses the same tenacity, courage, and perseverance that you summoned in your long fight for the truth. From what I’ve learned about him it seems he has fire in the belly, a creative and smart support system, and growing public awareness on his side. I pray he can forge the patience he will need to make it through this.

      I have fought similar retconning by those in power. The hardest part was feeling alone in the struggle; isolation is the first weapon of bullies. These bullies are in fact retconning the “War on Terror” to institute a terrorist regime of their own. They are retconning the language, not just twisting but exploding the meanings of words.

      Today my therapist told me she is advising her (anti-Trump) clients not to talk about him around their Alexas. She asked if I thought she was paranoid. Not when Musk and the Droogs are using AI to find wrongthink, I replied.

      These are the kind of times when a fight like the one Khalil faces will have great meaning for all of us, especially those not paying attention.

      • Savage Librarian says:

        Thanks for the spelling correction, Ginevra, and apologies to Mahmoud Khalil.

        My experience was very solitary as well, like yours. But because of some very challenging childhood years, I took it upon myself to be self-reliant early in life. It may have helped me in the career challenges I faced.

        But I knew then that it was best to keep my own counsel most of the time. It was not until I began commenting on emptywheel that I shared much with others. No Alexa for me. And no therapist. But I do value the opinions of a wide variety of people. And I agree, this is very important for many others.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          Amy Goodman on Democracy Now has a great interview with Kahlil’s lawyer today. It isn’t archived yet, but will be soon. It gets down, with lots of specifics, to the inhumanity of the whole fascist thing.
          Here’s their show list, the March 13 show likely getting added any time now: https://www.democracynow.org/shows

          They also did a fantastic job in today’s segment of describing the horrors of the Gaza pogrom, including the just dropped ICC war crimes charges against Israel for their targeting of Gazan reproductive care facilities and personnel, which dovetails with the Kahlil arrest and detainment. Here’s the AFP report on that:
          https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/israeli-attacks-on-gaza-reproductive-health-care-genocidal-acts

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          The Democracy Now webpage linked above is now refreshed with today’s reports. I got it wrong concerning the “ICC charges:” it was actually a report by the UNHRC, but very damning with substantive findings, nonetheless. Hopefully the ICC will take it up as well.

      • Bugboy321 says:

        “…the Droogs…”

        Chef’s kiss! I’ve actually been wondering how long our very own “Clockwork Orange” was going to be upon us. Turns out it already is!

        The backstory about Russian gangsters is a perfectly apt analogy for our times?

      • SteveBev says:

        A little literary note regarding “the Droogs” in Burgess’s ‘A Clockwork Orange’ (1962)
        The novel artfully uses a mish mash of linguistic allusions to convey dissonance, frequently Russian.
        However, as well as a Russian allusion DROOG is an anglicised transliteration of DRWG the Welsh for BAD/EVIL (in Welsh ‘The Devil’ is
        ‘Y Dyn Drwg’ literally ‘The Man of Evil’
        Burgess was English but his wife from 1942 until her death aged 47 in 1968, was a Welsh woman Llewela Isherwood Jones (known as Lynne) She was his literary collaborator as well as spouse, and they translated novels together. In the 1940s she had an affair with Dylan Thomas and introduced Burgess to the Welsh poet.

        “Her most distinguished literary production, The New Aristocrats by Michel de Saint Pierre, translated from the French by ‘Anthony and Llewela Burgess’, was published by Gollancz in 1962, with an American edition published by Houghton Mifflin in 1963. This novel about delinquent teenagers at an elite French boarding school has many connections with A Clockwork Orange, which appeared in the same year. The novel’s hero, Denis, is an intellectual rebel who is inclined towards wickedness and criminality. He displays his evil credentials by riding a motor-scooter named Satan.”
        https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2021-02-15/human/Lynne-Burgess-at-100-Looking-back-on-the-life-and-work-of-Llewela-Jones-6736231036

        There is IMHO good reason to believe “The Droogs” meant “The Devils”
        but also was a cross-linguistic play on words and homonyms with
        друг =‘drug/droog’ => friend.

      • posaune says:

        I worry about Khalil’s wife. How completely terrifying! Hope someone sets up some fundraising for her.

  11. SteveBev says:

    Per Aaron Rupar on Bluesky
    With link to video segment of K Leavitt press conference

    “ Leavitt: “Secretary Rubio •reserves the right to revoke• the visa of Mahmoud Khali. Under the immigration and nationality act, the secretary of state •has the right to revoke a green card or a visa for individuals• who are adversarial to the foreign policy and national security interests of the USA.”
    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lk4lwsz7uc2o
    My emphasis

    There is an ambiguity in this explanation, does it mean that the SoS had not exercised either or both of these rights?

    • thequickbrownfox says:

      She is saying that the Executive can deport Khali , period. The SOS has the final say in the matter, and gets to call who is ‘adversarial to foreign policy and national security’, and that’s the end of it.

      “the secretary of state •has the right to revoke a green card or a visa for individuals• who are adversarial to the foreign policy and national security interests of the USA.”

      • SteveBev says:

        BUT
        She did not say explicitly that the SoS had revoked the Green Card, and that the arrest occurred in consequence.

        So while she and others might imagine that is the end of it, whether it is the end of it remains an open question, doesn’t it?

        • Savage Librarian says:

          That’s the way I see it, too, SteveBev. Just like you do. I believe he has legal recourse.

        • thequickbrownfox says:

          An ‘open question’ is the point. As is, how long will it take the judicial system to answer it, while being fought by the Executive every step of the way? Meanwhile, Khali is in detention, in what amounts to a prison.

        • SteveBev says:

          Rubio tweeted about his intention to use his powers to revoke visas and or green cards in a Tweet at 6:10 pm EST (10:10 GMT) Sunday 9 March 2025, with a link to the original AP article describing Khalil’s arrest. AP subsequently updated the article.

          Again, perhaps notably Rubio did not explicitly assert the basis for Khalil’s arrest.

          Link to tweet via AP https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-mahmoud-khalil-ice-15014bcbb921f21a9f704d5acdcae7a8

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          Responding to SteveBev, at 2:51:

          That was the point of EW’s post, as I read it, including–especially–the reference to Vladeck’s analysis.

        • SteveBev says:

          Ginevra diBenci
          March 11, 2025 at 3:37 pm

          Ye—-esss. Indeed.
          Bu—uttt.

          These points in this sub thread re
          1 Leavitt and
          2 Rubio’s tweet, serve to reinforce the points made by both EW and SteveVladek, don’t they?
          Leavitt’s comment post date their respective comments.
          And I don’t believe either mentioned the Rubio tweet.

          You have my apologies if these little details seem to you, not to be worth mentioning.

      • SteveBev says:

        Re
        SteveBev
        March 11, 2025 at 3:27 pm

        Et seq

        Apologies to all.
        I see (belatedly) the Rubio tweet is the screenshot to this piece on the homepage.

        I should make it my habit to navigate to latest EW post from there rather than from the page I leave open when I last visit.
        Mea culpa

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          SteveBev, I am all about “little details”! Too much so, more often than not. And you are rightly focused on the retconning aspect, which I swept over above. I did not intend to minimize what was in fact the central and critical point of the post.

        • thequickbrownfox says:

          At this moment, USAID employees are under orders to shred or burn all documents from ‘classified safes’, and ‘personnel’ documents.. I’ve attended enough ‘preservation of documents’ training to know that this is a direct violation of regulations. The destruction of classified documents, by itself, requires that the doc be cataloged, because without tracking there is no possible way to ascertain the chain of custody, including destruction. Personnel files must be archived and are not the property of the Agency which has custody.

          But who is going to stop them, and how?

    • SteveBev says:

      When that puzzler was followed up on KL doubled down and added “I think it is insulting you tried to test my knowledge of economics… I now regret giving a question to AP”

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Karoline Leavitt is as unprofessional a press sec’y as has ever held the post. But her defensiveness about whether she knew anything about economics – that the question had to be asked is its own answer – is wildly so. Her response is what I would expect from Trump, were a reporter ballsy enough to ask whether he could read and, if so, at what grade school level.

        • Super Nintendo Chalmers says:

          According to Google, she has a BA in politics and communication from Saint Anselm’s College, which she attended on a softball scholarship. It’s possible she may have taken a basic economics class, BUT, if so, she clearly would have learned about tariffs. It’s just another shining example of Dunning-Kruger rectitude from this (mal)Administration.

      • bgThenNow says:

        I don’t watch her often, but she is an amazing performer. How these people are prepared to gush with the preposterous and unending blather/lies is impressive. I truly am impressed by this.

    • P J Evans says:

      Like hell they are – they’re a tax on imports, and WE pay it.
      This is something that should have been learned in HS.

    • Wild Bill 99 says:

      A little mercy for a Trump Press Secretary, perhaps? They have all been chronic liars and confabulaters, out of the necessity of putting a serving face on ignorance, stupidity and chicanery. They probably have long forgotten where they left their soul and integrity and now are forced to wander the shadowlands in despair yet unrealized. Too bad they aren’t confined to a safe closet.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      I think the technical term for it is “Leavittation.” It’s cognate with “Leavittory,” the press room where she does the deed.

      In grammatically heuristic terms, she performs sleight of mouth.~

      • Savage Librarian says:

        It’s synchronistic with the retcon of language by the MAGAts that Ginevra mentioned. So their motto may be: Take it or Leavitt.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          Rumors have it that the motto has been retconned to:
          “Take it *and* Leavitt”

          The first half refers to her audience’s punishment for listening, the second to their dignity for taking her seriously.

    • Art Eclectic_Sandy says:

      Elon is tired of the weather getting in the way of his rocket launches. This’ll fix ’em.

    • posaune says:

      Don’t know how the next NOAA cuts will be distributed geographically, but the first round is devastating to Silver Spring MD. The CBD has been suffering since Discovery departed (conveniently right as their 20-year tax exemption expired), then Covid, and now this. Restaurants are closing left and right, small businesses really hurting. It used to be so vibrant with small independent film studios. So pointless, all of this.

  12. Molly Pitcher says:

    THIS is the most shameless of Executive power grabs.

    According to CBS:

    USAID remaining staffers receive an email over the name of Erica Carr — the acting executive secretary at USAID, ordering them “to clear out classified safes and personnel documents from the Ronald Reagan Building, where the agency is housed, and shred or burn the records”

    ” A union for U.S. Agency for International Development contractors asked a federal judge Tuesday to intervene in any destruction of classified documents after an email ordered staffers to help burn and shred agency records.

    Judge Carl Nichols set a Wednesday morning deadline for the plaintiffs and the government to brief him on the issue.”

    “The collection, retention and disposal of classified material and federal records are closely regulated by federal law. Improper handling or disposal can be charged as a crime.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/usaid-staff-instructed-to-shred-or-burn-classified-safe-documents/

    https://www.cbs42.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-court-asked-to-intervene-after-email-tells-usaid-workers-to-destroy-classified-documents/

    • P J Evans says:

      The people giving orders are neither intelligent nor educated.
      They keep issuing orders that are illegal and immoral, and expecting everyone else to say “whatever” and follow them. (This says nothing good about their education and work experience.)

    • thequickbrownfox says:

      As I stated above….but “who will stop them, and how?” By the time the court appearance happens, hundreds, probably thousands of records will have been destroyed. As I’ve stated before, by the time the court acts, it is too late. The architects of this autocratic takeover know this. There is nobody left in DOJ to charge the perps with their crimes.
      If a crime happens, and there is nobody to charge the crime, is it a crime?

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      The Archivist hasn’t been fired yet? I hope not. Some portion of those docs must be destined for the Archives, I would think.

    • posaune says:

      I happened to drive by there on my trip to the doctor’s office on the day after Elon yanked their funding: the first thing they did was to remove the USAID name over the front door. It had been mounted on the limestone facade and they just cut through the bolts and left the stems hanging. Really crude job and so mean-spirited!

  13. Zinsky123 says:

    Once again, I am learning much from EW and the smart people who hang here. “Retcon” is a helpful expression for much of Donald Trump’s so-called ‘thinking’. He acts impulsively and does or says something stupid, and then his minions are left to pound a few square legal pegs into round holes to tidy up the mess, from a legal perspective. Given how far Trump has driven the American train off the legal rails domestically and internationally, Little Marco is going to have the most miserable job in the Universe for the next four years.

    • LaMissy! says:

      It’s my hunch that Trump offered Little Marco the job in such a way as to make it difficult (or dangerous) to refuse, and that Trump together with Elon are going to squeeze his nuts every day.

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        I have no idea what might have transpired between Rubio and Trumpmusk that led to his posting, but I do know what I saw in that Oval Office ambush of Zelenskyy, Rubio sitting next to Musk on the couch like he was in middle school detention: his soul has left his body.

    • JustMusing says:

      It’s now just “rubio” which is a spineless lump of nothing. Example: Don’t be such a rubio.

  14. e.a. foster says:

    The arrest of a green card holder with the intent to deport the person, is a bit strange if there aren’t any crimes they can attach to the person. When the American news reported on this, my first thought was, is this the start of something and is it meant to scare people who oppose Trump/Musk, etc. I am still wondering why arrest him and detain him. Guess we shall see if there is a case against him. It will be interesting to see if they pull off another “arrest”.
    The article and comments are interesting and I learnt a new word. Thank you.

    • starling says:

      I don’t find it strange “if there aren’t any crimes they can attach to people”. I think they are teeing up a case that does exactly what they want, which is to get rid of protesters undermining elite support for a widely hated foreign policy based on smears endorsed by the SoS (whose judgment is non-reviewable here), without the need to find them guilty of violence or property crimes or even that catch-all “material support for terrorism”.

      This wasn’t exactly deliberate, as Dr. Wheeler’s post makes clear. They stumbled into this. But that is one of the hallmarks of this ongoing administrative coup— they are not afraid to try lots of crazy stuff that expands their authority. If something works, it becomes a policy. If it doesn’t they move on.

      • wa_rickf says:

        What I find intersting is that ANY criticism of the Israel government is labled “antisemtic.”

        Should any criticism of the American government be labeled anti-Christian? I am certain some will try to attempt that.

        Murdering 1200 innocent Israelis because they are Israeli is horrible, as is, murdering 40,000+ Palestinians because they are “in the way” of rooting out Hamas is equally horrible.

  15. wetzel-rhymes-with says:

    Sir, it’s like how a Roman’s got the lawful right to be brutal with an escaped slave, but their proxy might grab a real citizen by mistake! How would you feel to be a legal Roman crucified by mistake! You could sue the other guy, but it still wouldn’t be fair, especially if it took more than a day or two to get you down.

  16. harpie says:

    There’s a conference between the parties in Furman’s courtroom TODAY at 11:30 AM.

    Chris Geidner has a post up about the case:
    What is happening to Mahmoud Khalil is chilling — and intended to chill all opposition
    We know that because that’s exactly the message Trump and others in his administration have sent over the past three days since Khalil’s arrest. https://www.lawdork.com/p/what-is-happening-to-mahmoud-khalil-is-chilling Chris Geidner Mar 12, 2025

    • harpie says:

      Here’s Inner City Press with a THREAD about this conference:

      https://bsky.app/profile/innercitypress.bsky.social/post/3lk6vj44phc2m
      March 12, 2025 at 11:29 AM

      OK – now Mahmoud Khalil hearing before SDNY Judge Furman, Inner City Press has covered the habeas case from the beginning […]

      All rise!
      Many petitioner’s lawyers. For the respondents, Brandon Waterman and Jeff Oestericher of SDNY.

      Judge Furman: Decorum is required. There is to be no outburst. If you have a phone and it goes off I will take it and you may not get it back

      • harpie says:

        This ended before I even posted the link.

        * SDNY might not be proper venue…either NJ or LA

        Judge Furman: Would you be seeking to move the petition to New Jersey? Or Louisiana?
        AUSA: We are considering it – it may not be in New Jersey since the petition was not timely filed there. But the SDNY is not the proper forum

        * Counsel has not yet had a privileged call with client [one is scheduled for 3/20[!]]
        * Client has already been “served with a notice to appear, for removal proceedings in the Louisiana court”
        * Judge urges SDNY to facilitate privileged call

    • harpie says:

      And here’s a GIFT Link to Adam Serwer in the Atlantic [yesterday]:

      https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3lk4ldhw55s2w
      March 11, 2025 at 1:21 PM

      The detention of Mahmoud Khalil puts all Americans fundamental rights at risk. And if you can’t see that because you oppose his politics, well that’s exactly the reaction Trump and his cronies are counting on. [GIFT Link]

      Links to:
      Mahmoud Khalil’s Detention Is a Trial Run The pro-Palestine student was arrested without due process for exercising his right to free speech. He will not be the last.
      Adam Serwer March 11, 2025, 1 PM ET

    • harpie says:

      More about the jurisdiction argument:

      https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3lk6xmor6gc2t
      March 12, 2025 at 12:07 PM

      The government claims Mahmoud Khalil was already in NJ on his way to Louisiana by the time his habeas petition was filed—an argument that the NY federal court lacks jurisdiction.

      But Khalil’s lawyer checked the ICE locator when she filed and even 4 hrs after, and he was listed as still being in NY. [screenshot]

      […] I checked again at 8:30 AM on Sunday, March 9th, and Mahmoud was still listed as being detained in New York.

      @klasfeldreports[.]com says the judge sounded skeptical of the government’s jurisdictional arguments, so we’ll see [link][screenshot]

      • harpie says:

        This is the Klasfeld THREAD mentioned above:

        https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lk6xlcwrso2c
        March 12, 2025 at 12:06 PM

        During today’s brief hearing, Judge Furman made remarks and rulings that may shape Mahmoud Khalil’s case over his arrest and detention.

        * Filings will be unsealed, with parties’ consent.
        * Khalil can have two privileged calls with counsel.
        * Judge is skeptical of govt’s jurisdiction args.

        On jurisdiction:

        Judge Furman said that what’s controlling is the petitioner’s “physical location at the time of filing.”

        Khalil was moved to Louisiana after the petition was filed.

        One issue: He was originally transferred to New Jersey, and so that could emerge as an issue later.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          harpie, thank you for all of this. Serwer is right: This is meant to send a message to anyone. Do NOT protest Trump or his allies du jour. We WILL contrive (retcon) a means to silence you.

          And the jurisdictional mess your items reveal? It seems like Trump’s quasi- (or extra-) judicial minions needed this practice, since they clearly messed up with Khalil. Next time will go much more smoothly.

        • Rayne says:

          While a lot of this administration’s actions aren’t approved explicitly by Trump, carried out instead because the actors “understand the assignment,” Trump is on board with this and I suspect that he’s responding as if this was the 1960-70s. This is what he would have done with early protesters against the Vietnam war.

          I worry eventually they’ll move to Kent State mode; what will they try before that, though?

    • harpie says:

      Joshua Friedman has Judge Furman’s SUMMARY of the conference today:

      https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3lk7aw22mjs2u
      March 12, 2025 at 2:53 PM

      NEW summary of Khalil case from Judge Furman:
      —Khalil’s attorneys get to talk to him on the phone today and tomorrow; will file amended habeas petition tomorrow
      —gov’t files its motion on improper venue today before midnight; won’t remove Khalil from US [screenshots] [Link to doc]

    • harpie says:

      AND… who could have predicted…[from YESTERDAY]

      https://bsky.app/profile/stevenmazie.bsky.social/post/3lk73zy3mcs2d
      March 12, 2025 at 1:26 PM

      In the “First they came for…” department, right-wing commentators are coming after Jesse Furman, the observant Jewish judge in the Mahmoud Khalil case holding a hearing today. And they’re attacking Ariela Dubler, his wife and head of a Jewish school in Manhattan. [link]

      Links to:

      Trump allies target Jewish judge — and his wife — after ruling on Palestinian activist Judge Jesse Furman halted the deportation of Mahmoud Khalil, a recent Columbia graduate Forward [JEWISH. INDEPENDENT. NONPROFIT.]
      Benyamin Cohen March 11, 2025

      [> > Laura LOOMER and Charlie KIRK]

    • harpie says:

      3/9/25 Khalil’s lawyers: We filed the Habeas petition at 4:40 AM

      3/12/25 ICE “senior officer”: We transferred Khalil to NJ at 3:20 AM

      https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3lka7gmyeok2p
      March 12, 2025 at 11:59 PM

      NEW: ICE senior officer attests that Mahmoud Khalil was booked into a detention facility in Newark two [3/9/25 time change to EDT noted in Friedman’s next comment] hours before his habeas petition was filed (in support of argument that NY federal court is improper venue)

      • harpie says:

        From the document link at the above Friedman post:

        […] 9. At the time Khalil filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in the Southern District of New York, he was detained at Elizabeth Detention Facility in Newark, New Jersey. […]

        Can this ICE “senior officer” PROVE this?
        Or are we just expected to take his word for it?
        [Digitally signed William P. Joyce declares it’s true under penalty of perjury.]

      • P J Evans says:

        The first thing they did was move him to put him in a friendlier area.
        This is dictatorship-type policing: arrest people without charges, hide them from family, friends, *and lawyers*, and make up the reasons for the arrest later, when the judges demand that they produce the arrestee.

        • thequickbrownfox says:

          Log him into a NY facility and publicize it. Immediately move him to NJ, and keep the move under wraps. Fly him out of Newark(???) to Louisiana to complete the cut-off from his attorneys, and hamstring any order from a local, and likely more liberal, jurisdiction.

          Slick as snot. Kahlil’s only hope is the 5th circuit, which isn’t helpful. He’s going to be deported — ‘Disappeared’ by hijacking the legal system, so it really is ‘legal’. It appears to me that this is how the situation has been ‘gamed’ by some very smart people. I’d like to be proven wrong……and I’d like the judge to force whoever it was that plotted this to appear before him to explain, step-by-step, how this was done. But the chance of that happening is about nil. “Jurisdiction”, you know.

  17. CaptainCondorcet says:

    We are witnessing the load testing of authoritarianism in real-time with real people. Push things right to the limits because why not? Typically testing in a production environment brings consequences. But not here. If it leads to disbarment (and that hasn’t happened yet), wealthy super-pacs or individual donors can cover costs of transition periods through make-work employment. If inexplicably criminal convictions arrive, a pardon is immediately available, as we can see from Tennessee Senator Kelsey’s pardon today. Literally nothing stops Trump from using our institutions to find the absolute max, by district for an added bonus, that fascism can be advanced. Even if impeachment votes were reached, seemingly an impossibility now for either side in the Senate, the process would have to be done twice since nothing stops the VP from continuing right from day 1 and forcing a repeat and placing the Speaker into the role.

    This has been a theoretical possibility forever, going all the way back to the deeply flawed assumption that someone from Party A in New York would always and forever be more similar to a New Yorker in Party B than someone from Party A in Rhode Island. And we cannot unring that bell either, the damage done will forever be logged as viable (and even improvable) in all Presidential elections from this point forward

    • Super Nintendo Chalmers says:

      Up-thread someone mentioned Kent State. Protests are inevitable, and perhaps they will play directly into the hands of fascists running our country. My fear is that Shitler will invoke the Insurrection Act and we’ll be subject to martial law.

    • Memory hole says:

      The difference with the VP or the Speaker if Trump was impeached or gone for any reason, is that neither of them has the vice grip control over the maga terrorists.
      I have no doubt they would try to continue Trump’s war on America. In Johnson’s case he might gladly go for armageddon, in the belief of his ticket to the promised land.

      But they couldn’t control enough of Magastan with just a tweet or comment to terrify or blackmail enough goppers to self immolate like Trump does.

  18. wa_rickf says:

    This morning, Michel Martin interviwed DHS Deputy Secretary Troy Edgar regarding Mamoud Khalil. Martin REALLY pressed Edgar to cite what Khalil what illegal activity had done to have his resident alien card revoked. Edgar couldn’t cite anything. Troy kept insisting Khalil violated the terms of his student visa. Martin kept repeating that Khalil was living in the U.S. as a resident alien, NOT on a student visa.

    It was an AWESOME interview.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/nx-s1-5326015/dhs-deputy-secretary-troy-edgar-discusses-arrest-of-protest-leader-deportations

    • CaptainCondorcet says:

      I know people here have taken issue with the direction of some NPR programming, but I’ve always liked a lot of what they had to offer compared to what the alternatives were. But the really big question now will be “so what?”. A senior official repeated an obviously proven false lie over and over in an interview. Her correction of him ran, but so also did his lie. He’ll face zero consequences back at the office. Do we the public have any tools to hold him (and others) accountable for such a stupidly obvious rejection of reality?

      • wa_rickf says:

        Troy Edgar is not an elected offical, therefore, an ordinary citizen cannot vote him out of a job.

        It is the press that is SUPPOSED to hold people like Troy Edgar accountable. As we all know, the press is failing at their job and their responsibility.

      • OldTulsaDude says:

        Is it possible the deciding vote will be determined by which side the armed services are on?

    • P J Evans says:

      We all do it once in a while. “Not that right – the *other* right!” as a friend says.

  19. xyxyxyxy says:

    And Donnie shouldn’t be made upset because who knows, he may become unhappy:

    U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick warns that those trading partners that upset U.S. President Donald Trump with their responses to American protectionist steps open themselves to a severe reaction….
    “If you make him unhappy, he responds unhappy,” Lutnick said of Trump’s move Thursday to slap a 200% tariff on European Union alcohol products in reaction to the EU’s retaliation against new US steel and aluminum duties.

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/international/2025/03/13/lutnick-praises-uk-and-mexico-blasts-canada-on-trade-retaliation/

    • P J Evans says:

      The Felon Guy’s responses are those of a very small child. He needs to be in a care home, not the WH.

      • Curious2024 says:

        “If you make him unhappy, he responds unhappy,”

        Great article by Jonathan Rauch over at The Atlantic.

        His assertion is that the Trump White House is “Patrimonialism”, which is not the same as classic authoritarianism. He describes Trump as “Patrimonialism’s perfect organism, who recognise no distinction between public and private, legal and illegal, formal and informal, national and personal …. If you’re his friend, he’s your friend. If you’re not his friend, he’s not your friend.”
        Jonathan also describes “Corruption as patrimonialism’s achilles’ heel” and driving a strategic coordinated message against Trump’s corruption as the way forward. …. and what the opposition has not [yet] done.

        Gift link here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/corruption-trump-administration/681794/?gift=Ems1z3_NePk9I_e6rRMvcBQuCLrQkh0MkRHewR849os&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

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      • xyxyxyxy says:

        As he’s destructive no matter where he’s at, most likely the care home would pay his family to get him out of there.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          And he’s one of the very few who can afford full-time, round-the-clock, top-tier care (including “memory care”) at home–very convenient for a wife and family who seem to want nothing but distance from him.

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      So how does the government communicate with all the employees to let them know?
      Are those that have been collecting UI have to return it? This is going to be one hell of a process for states, but I guess a job creator.

      • thequickbrownfox says:

        The judge pointed out that someone fired for poor performance isn’t eligible for unemployment insurance, which is true in several states that I am aware of.

        But the real beatdown was this, which could definitely lead to sanctions that the government attorneys will not like one bit–a not-so-subtle warning:

        “You will not bring the people in here to be cross-examined. You’re afraid to do so, because, you know, cross-examination would reveal the truth. This is the U.S. District Court,” he said. “I tend to doubt that you’re telling me the truth.”

    • CaptainCondorcet says:

      When the beatdown is so brutal the government attorneys were unwilling to even immediately claim they would appeal. Probably trying to figure out how to handle that discovery request.

      • bloopie2 says:

        Maybe there aren’t enough “trustworthy” government attorneys left, to handle all these actions competently.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          The other day one of the government lawyers told a judge that there aren’t enough government attorneys left in the department to handle matters; forget about “trustworthy” ones.

  20. BRUCE F COLE says:

    I’m hoping to see a longform Shannonsider take here by Marcy, on the Oval Office pantsing Trump attempted on Taoiseach Martin on the St Paddy’s Day visit.

    I’m still cringing from Starmer’s deep tissue massage he gave Trump with the (UK) King’s invite a while back. That one left a smear.

  21. grizebard says:

    Looking over this whole shit show as it staggers on, it occurs to me that Roberts and his SC cronies have essentially given the Orange Felon full rein (or reign, if you’ll pardon the pun) to neuter Nuremberg Principle IV. Since – thanks to them – the Orange King is now essentially unfettered whilst in office, and feels able and very willing to order his subordinates to egregiously and systematically break the law on his orders, so their only choice is either become part of his criminal conspiracy or resign. Leaving a government eventually stuffed full top-to-bottom of witting compromised lawbreakers.

    So what will happen legally to all these compromised bag-carriers afterwards? Or have Trump & Co already resolved that they can never permit an “afterwards”?

    • CaptainCondorcet says:

      I pondered that up thread. As long as Congress won’t impeach, the pardon power is comprehensive and wealthy donors can mitigate monetary costs easily (a million can cover a lot of personal fines). Project 2025 cronies have undoubtedly been smart enough to keep a running pardon list to use at the 11th hour as necessary. No one the upper echelons have deemed “worthy” will ever face legal or financial trouble unless they screw up with state laws

      • grizebard says:

        As you say, the “upper echelons” may well get their pardons stacked up in advance – jeez, this is getting eerily like the pre-reformation Church! – though I was thinking more about the scores of culpable “lower ranks” down the regime food chain who may likely end up trying to answer post-hoc felony charges with a lame ” I was only following orders…”.

        The 1930’s where we are now, eventually morphed into the 1940’s…

  22. TomVet475 says:

    Hey Harpie and anyone else interested, there’s a new account on Bsky for links to cases: @linktothefiling.bsky.social
    Pope hat just posted it so he gets a big HT.

  23. LaMissy! says:

    Just home from a screening of “I’m Still Here” the Brazilian film based on the true forced disappearance of a former politician during military rule. It’s a powerful film and a reminder of the path we may have embarked on.

    • harpie says:

      Their statement re: venue begins on page 6. From Friedman’s THREAD:

      […] ***Interesting new info on venue: Khalil’s attorneys say he was brought back to NY post-NJ!

      “Moreover, the New York Field Office then brought Mr. Khalil back across state lines to New York before then transferring him, after the filing of the instant petition, to Louisiana.” […]

      Also, something we talked about above [re: page 10]:

      […] Khalil’s lawyers allude to Trump calling Chuck Schumer “a proud member of Hamas” and “a Palestinian” to illustrate the unseriousness of the characterization of Khalil as pro-Hamas […]

    • harpie says:

      From Friedman’s THREAD: [This is on page 18]:

      As ICE agents in Manhattan took Mahmoud Khalil’s biometrics, “Mr. Khalil saw an agent approach Agent Hernandez and say, ‘the White House is requesting an update.’ ” [emphasis added]

      This is the first entry in a section titled: Mr. Khalil’s Experience being Transferred Repeatedly and in Detention in Louisiana

      During this whole time, Khalil is being denied access to his attorney, ie:

      59. Mr. Khalil was subsequently presented with several documents and asked to sign them, including a Notice to Appear (“NTA”) for removal proceedings and a Custody Determination document. Mr. Khalil reviewed the NTA and Custody Determination and, because he did not fully understand the implications of signing them, he requested to speak with his lawyer before doing so. The ICE agent denied his request, prompting Mr. Khalil to refuse to sign.

    • harpie says:

      Khalil arrived in in Alexandria, Louisiana around 1:00 a.m. on Monday March 10.
      [This began around 8:30 PM Saturday]

      Page 20:

      68. Throughout this process, Mr. Khalil felt as though he was being kidnapped. He was reminded of prior experience fleeing arbitrary detention in Syria and forced disappearance of his friends in Syria in 2013. It was shortly after this that Mr. Khalil left Syria.

    • harpie says:

      Related??? [I think so]:

      https://bsky.app/profile/kjephd.bsky.social/post/3lkchpds6fs26
      March 13, 2025 at 9:32 PM

      Holy fucking Christ; this is a fascist takeover of an Ivy League university [link]

      Links to Jameel Jaffer:
      [To the interim president from the co-chairs of the Board of Trustees,
      “follow-up to our letter of” 3/7/25]

      I’m told this is a real letter. It basically says, “We’ll destroy Columbia unless you destroy it first.” [screenshots]
      [LINK in Jaffer’s next post]

      • harpie says:

        Yes, it IS related:

        Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University
        Press Statement:

        Knight Institute Condemns
        Trump Administration’s Effort to “Subjugate Universities to Official Power”
        https://knightcolumbia.org/content/knight-institute-condemns-trump-administrations-effort-to-subjugate-universities-to-official-power March 14, 2025

        NEW YORK—Late yesterday, officials from the General Services Administration, Department of Education, and Department of Health and Human Services sent a letter to Columbia University demanding radical changes to university policies involving student discipline and admissions, and calling on the university to place the school’s Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African Studies Department under “academic receivership.” The letter followed the Trump administration’s earlier decision to cut federal funding to the university and to arrest permanent resident and former Columbia graduate student Mahmoud Kahlil, apparently for his participation in pro-Palestinian protests. […]

        Those officials are:

        1] Josh Gruenbaum
        Comm’r of Fed. Acquisition Serv. // General Services Administration
        2] Sean R. Keveney
        Acting General Counsel // U.S. Dep’t Health & Human Sers.
        3] Thomas E. Wheeler
        Acting General Counsel // U.S. Dept. of Education

      • harpie says:

        [PLEASE NOTE: I made a mistake above, the letter is TO the President and Board members, not from the board members as I stated above.]

        The TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS are following up on a letter from 3/7/25
        [This is the day before Khalil was arrested]

        informing you that the United States Government would be pausing or terminating federal funding. Since that date your counsel has asked to discuss “next steps.”

        […] Columbia University, however, has fundamentally failed to protect American students and faculty from antisemitic violence and harassment in addition to other alleged violations of Title VI and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. […]

        One of the bullet points:

        Formalize, adopt, and promulgate a definition of antisemitism. President Trump’s Executive Order 13899 uses the IHRA definition. Anti-“Zionist” discrimination against Jews in areas unrelated to Israel or Middle East must be addressed.

        • harpie says:

          Hmmm:

          1] These government entities accuse Columbia of
          “violations of Title VI and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964”

          2] Parents Sue Trump Administration for Allegedly Sabotaging Education Department’s Civil Rights Division
          The lawsuit claims that decimating the agency’s Office for Civil Rights will leave it unable to address issues of discrimination at school — violating the equal protection clause of the Fifth Amendment. https://www.propublica.org/article/department-of-education-civil-rights-lawsuit-trump-parents March 14, 2025, 9:40 a.m. EDT

        • harpie says:

          This was reposted by Josh Marshall:

          https://bsky.app/profile/davidakaye.bsky.social/post/3lkdzv2t6zc2s
          March 14, 2025 at 12:30 PM

          the IHRA definition of antisemitism is deeply flawed, and since the trump admin is pushing columbia – and every univ ultimately – to adhere to it, it’s important to remember why.

          there is much good in it. it’s short: read it here [link] but the following three examples IHRA uses are fundamentally inconsistent with freedom of expression: [THREAD]

      • harpie says:

        3/7/25 DOJ writes letter to interim president of Columbia and the co-chairs of the Board of Trustees [from above]

        ALSO: 3/7/25 From the Habeas Petition:

        43. On March 7, 2025, Mr. Khalil emailed the Columbia University interim president writing that, “I haven’t been able to sleep, fearing that ICE or a dangerous individual might come to my home.” [p14]

    • harpie says:

      Friedman’s last post in this THREAD [begins on page 26]:

      Mahmoud Khalil’s newly articulated claims for relief:
      1. Violation of 1A
      2. Violation of Due Process clause of 5A
      3. Violation of APA and Accardi doctrine
      4. Release on bail pending adjudication

    • harpie says:

      https://bsky.app/profile/klasfeldreports.com/post/3lke6xkpydj2q
      March 14, 2025 at 2:01 PM

      A federal judge adopts Mahmoud Khalil’s speedy schedule for written briefings on motions seeking bail and an injunction — and notably, rejects the Trump admin’s proposal for a slower schedule. [screenshot of Khalil schedule] [< ending at 3/20 at latest???]

      This is the schedule the Trump DOJ wanted — which would have stretched the briefings into April.

      Judge Furman did not adopt that proposal. [screenshot]

      • harpie says:

        Here’s info on what happened before the above [from around 2 PM]:

        https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3lkdzspq7j22l
        March 14, 2025 at 12:29 PM

        NEW: Mahmoud Khalil’s attorneys ask for expedited schedule to present arguments for (1) releasing Khalil on bail and (2) granting preliminary injunction. Gov’t wants judge to rule first on its motion to dismiss or transfer for lack of jurisdiction.
        [LINK to joint letter][screenshots]

      • harpie says:

        And Chris Geidner has a typically really good summary here:

        https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3lkenryoxak2z
        March 14, 2025 at 6:27 PM

        In Mahmoud Khalil’s habeas petition case, Judge Furman set schedules for briefing on various issues — including the motion from DOJ to dismiss or transfer the case (to NJ or LA), a forthcoming bail request from Khalil’s lawyers, and their forthcoming preliminary injunction request. [screenshots]

        In short, this means Furman expects to rule on the motion to dismiss or transfer first, then — if he keeps it — would rule on the bail question as the preliminary injunction request is briefed.
        Document: [LINK]

        One note: DOJ asked for an extra week in responding to the preliminary injunction request because they were going to need to “research the legal issues” and “obtain review of its papers through several layers at the Department of Justice.”

        These are two embarrassing reasons.

        They did not work. [emphasis added] [screenshot]

      • harpie says:

        Pro-Israel group says it has ‘deportation list’ and has sent ‘thousands’ of names to Trump officials Betar US is among far-right groups supporting Trump effort to deport students involved in pro-Palestinian protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/14/israel-betar-deportation-list-trump Anna Betts Fri 14 Mar 2025 11.04 EDT

        […] Betar, which has been labelled an extremist group by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) [Haaretz link from 2/21/25], a Jewish advocacy group, said on Monday that it had “been working on deportations and will continue to do so”, and warned that the effort would extend beyond immigrants. “Expect naturalized citizens to start being picked up within the month,” the group’s post on X read. (It is very difficult to revoke US citizenship, though Trump has indicated an intention to try.)

        The group has compiled a so-called “deportation list” naming individuals it believes are in the US on visas and have participated in pro-Palestinian protests, claiming these individuals “terrorize America”. […]

        The group claims to have “documentation, including tapes, social media and more” to support their actions. It claims to be sharing names with several high-ranking officials, including the secretary of state, Marco Rubio; the White House homeland security adviser, Stephen Miller; and the attorney general, Pam Bondi, among others. […]

        • harpie says:

          Ross GLICK, “was the executive director of the US chapter of Betar until last month“. Now he’s hobnobbing with people in DC, including Cruz, Lankford, Fetterman. He says he’s been inundated with tips.

          Betar itself has been in touch with MILLER, RUBIO, BONDI, “OTHERS”.

          […] Glick said that the individuals on Betar’s list were identified through tips from students, faculty and staff on these campuses, along with social media research. He also claimed he had received support from “collaborators” who use “facial recognition AI-based technology” to help identify protesters that can even identify people wearing face coverings. He declined to elaborate on the specific technology used. […]

          [!!!!!]

          […] He said that he vetted the legitimacy of those tips and that he believed Khalil and other pro-Palestinian protesters were “promoting the eradication, the destruction and the devolution of western civilization”.

          Glick described Khalil as an “operative”. When asked who he was an operative for, he responded: “Well, that has to be determined.” […]

          ALSO:

          […] The video of Khalil that was circulating was first posted by Canary Mission, an online database that publishes the names and personal information of people that it considers to be anti-Israel or antisemitic, focusing mainly on those at universities across the US. […]

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