Who Arrested and Interrogated Hussein Abebe?

Mary and I both noted the suggestion in Judge Lewis Kaplan’s summary opinion refusing to let Hussein Abebe testify against Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani that Abebe himself was coerced to testify.

Kaplan’s complete ruling provides more details. At the very least, Kaplan’s opinion points to an entire day of Abebe’s  interrogation–the day on which he first confessed to having provided Ghailani the explosives for the embassy bombing–about which the government is withholding evidence. The unredacted portions of the ruling note that this means the people interrogating Abebe may well have used details from Ghailani’s own interrogation to convince Abebe to confess, which would exacerbate the poisoned fruit aspect of Abebe’s confession. And while Kaplan doesn’t say it in any of the unredacted portions, there is also the possibility that Abebe himself was abused on that day of his interrogation.

But just as interesting is the question of who conducted that interrogation. While the government and the Tanzanian national police claim members of the TNP were present, Kaplan found the TNP weren’t in charge the interrogation. So what entity was conducting this potentially coercive interrogation?

Abebe confessed to selling Ghailani explosives in a vaguely-described August 2006 interrogation

Let’s start with the chronology.

Late July or early August 2006: Abebe receives call from “Mr. Mazoa” instructing him to meet with some unnamed people in Dar es Salaam on the 13th.

August 12: Valentine Mlowola, then Senior Superintendent of the TNP, first briefed about impending Abebe arrest.

August 13: Two men (whose names and affiliations are redacted) get into Abebe’s taxi in Arusha and direct him to the police station. They meet Mlowola there, and apparently all four take a cab to Kilamanjaro Airport and then fly to Zanzibar and from there drive to a location which Abebe described as looking like a hotel.

August 14: Abebe meets a Sadek Majid, whom Abebe knows from Arusha. Tanzanians interrogate him with no Americans present; he does not confess to having sold Ghailani the explosives on that first day.

August 15: Tanzanians interrogate him, again with no Americans present. He confesses to selling Ghailani the explosives.

August 16: Four FBI agents arrive. They Mirandize Abebe, then conduct three interrogation sessions, during which he presumably repeats his description of selling Ghailani the explosives.

August 17: The FBI agents conduct one more interrogation session, then leave.

August 19: Tanzanians fly Abebe to Dar es Salaam and hold him in jail for four additional days.

August 24: Tanzanians release Abebe on a bond accusing him of conspiring to murder and terrorist acts.

Now, much of the narrative describing this chronology–including all but a few sentences describing Abebe’s interrogation by Tanzanians–is redacted. But several things are clear.

The Tanzanian Police did not have the lead on Abebe’s interrogation

First, while the TNP were involved in Abebe’s arrest, they were really only brought in as an afterthought. Kaplan writes:

Mlowola was drawn in only on August 12, primarily because it was thought helpful to have the TNP involved in making the arrest.

Since the TNP were only brought in on August 12, we can be sure that the man who called Abebe two weeks earlier and introduced himself as “Mr. Mazoa” was honest when he indicated that he no longer worked with the TNP.

In late July or early August, roughly two weeks before his arrest, Abebe received a phone call from a man who identified himself as Mr. Mazoa. Mazoa told him that Abebe did no know him, but that he was a well-known person who used to work at the police station in Arusha.

He then instructed Abebe to travel to Dar es Salaam because “there are some people who would like to talk to you [there] on the 13th.” When Abebe asked who wanted to speak with him in Dar es Salaam, Mazoa said, “you’ll know them when you come.” Abebe responded taht he could not afford to travel to Arusha, at which point Mazoa suggested that he take out a loan to pay the travel costs and that Abebe later would be reimbursed.

So someone, no longer employed by the TNP, calls Abebe and tells him to take a loan out to travel to Dar es Salaam. When he doesn’t do that, on the 13th two guys get in his cab, take him to the police station (which appears to be the first time when the TNP get involved) and from there fly him to an interrogation location.

TNP officers were present at the interrogation

Though at least one TNP officer was present for at least part of the interrogation: Mlowola. Kaplan notes that Abebe and Mlowola’s testimony conflicts on this point.

According to Mlowola, he was the lead questioner and there was only one interrogation session involving Tanzanians alone. Abebe, on the other hand, said he was questioned by the Tanzanians alone for two full days and that Mlowola was not present during either of those sessions.

Kaplan resolves this conflict this way:

Having considered all the evidence, the Court finds that Abebe was interrogated by the Tanzanians alone through August 14 and 15, [redacted] that Mlowola was present for at least part of it, and that the testimony of both Mlowola and Abebe as to Mlowola’s role and presence was inaccurate in material respects. Abebe was wrong in saying that Mlowola was not there at all and falsely described Abebe’s own state of mind and motives. Mlowola was mistaken concerning his role in the questioning and the number of sessions.

Kaplan also repeatedly refers to notes taken by a TNP officer (as I’ll discuss further below). That would imply that at least one more member of the TNP, in addition to Mlowola, was present. Yet since the government did not submit those notes as evidence (or have that officer testify), that may not be reliable.

No Americans were “present” at the key interrogation

As I said above, Kaplan’s unredacted narrative states that no Americans were present for the first two days of Abebe’s interrogation, though he footnotes that statement and the footnote (which appears to be two lines long) is entirely redacted. Later, Kaplan notes,

Whether by design or otherwise, there were no Americans whose presence could be compelled by an American court in the room.

I find that entire construction fascinating. Is Kaplan qualifying “Americans” with “whose presence could be compelled” to suggest there were Americans there whose presence couldn’t be compelled (such as CIA officers)? Or is he distinguishing between Americans “in the room” and Americans who might be observing but not present? If so, all of that is left unsaid. This sentence is followed by a redacted sentence, so Kaplan may have said more about this that got redacted.

In any case, the FBI remarkably swoops in on the day after Abebe confesses, and proceeds to get a Mirandized version of Abebe’s earlier confession. As if they had been waiting just outside the door for the moment when he confessed so as to get a version that would be admissible in a US court.

The government did not submit testimony from those who conducted the interrogation

All of which explains the central questions behind Kaplan’s ruling. The crucial details about whether or not Abebe’s testimony would be admissible took place on August 15, 2006, the second day during which Tanzanians interrogated Abebe with no Americans present. But as Kaplan notes, the government chose not to produce all available testimony about that day; significantly, it did not have any of the people in charge of Abebe’s interrogation appear as witnesses.

The government has not established exactly what happened on the second day of Tanzanian interrogation, but something convinced Abebe finally to tell them that he had sold explosives to Ghailani. Seeing no other options available to him, he admitted his involvement [redacted]. He cried that night, despondent over what he had told the Tanzanian officials and fearful of what it would mean for his future. The next day, he repeated to the FBI what he had already old [redacted] and agreed to testify wherever and whenever the Tanzanian or American officials wished.

[snip]

The contemporaneous notes taken by a TNP officer who apparently was present were not offered in evidence. And while both Abebe and Mlowola testified in general terms that Abebe was not told about Ghailani’s statements, Abebe was not a credible witness, and Mlowola remembered little and was confused [sic] other key points. Moreover, their testimony on this point disregards the contemporaneous, if not complete or entirely satisfactory, evidence that is in the record–[redacted].

[snip]

Abebe assuredly is not a volunteer witness. He sought to avoid discovery for years out of fears of being identified as the supplier of the explosives. He withstood his arrest, his transfer to [redacted] Zanzibar, and a full day of Tanzanian interrogation without admitting to his role, a reticence born of the fear of the consequences of a different course. In the last analysis, he has agreed to testify because he is afraid to do anything else.

What exactly produced this change of heart? Certainly not what Abebe claims produced it. The government has provided no convincing evidence of what accounted for it. As previously discussed, no one who was in the room at the time has been called to testify except Abebe and, if he was there, Mlowola. The contemporaneous notes that Mlowola said were taken were not offered and their absence was not accounted for.

So the government chose not to submit the TNP notes it claims existed, nor any of the people in charge of the interrogation.

Now, the redacted reference to a contemporaneous account separate from the TNP notes suggests the initial record was probably an intelligence report. And the most obvious people to be conducting this interrogation would be Tanzanian intelligence officers. (Though I’m actually curious whether the interrogation was conducted by official government officials or by some kind of private contractors.)

But that, of course, is the question that never gets addressed in the unredacted portions of Kaplan’s ruling. If this was run by intelligence professionals (either governmental or private), then what standards of interrogation did they use? How closely were they tied to the CIA officials who, Kaplan makes clear, had already used torture to get this intelligence? And are the unredacted assertions that no Americans were “present” at the interrogation true?

The government attempted to get an admissible confession from Abebe before Ghailani left CIA custody

Finally, I’m interested in the timing of this: August 2006.

All of this happened just weeks before Ghailani was transferred from a CIA black site to DOD custody at Gitmo on September 6, 2006.

As Kaplan makes clear, the government made efforts–ultimately unsuccessful ones–to get an Abebe confession to the FBI that might be admissible in a court. As Kaplan suggests, it was probably not an accident that the government made sure no witnesses who could be subpoenaed when Abebe was convinced–by whatever means–to confess. It is rather unsurprising that none of the people in charge of the interrogation will be subjected to Kaplan’s scrutiny.

This appears to have been a last minute attempt to clean up evidence relating to Ghailani, just as he was about to be transferred out of CIA custody.

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  1. scribe says:

    Having read more judicial opinions than I’d like to admit to, when I see this construction:

    Whether by design or otherwise, there were no Americans whose presence could be compelled by an American court in the room.

    it tells me a lot. He didn’t have to write it that way at all. He could have said “None of the persons present in the room were subject to compulsory process.” or something similar. It tells me:

    1. there were Americans present
    2. the Americans were not in the room during the interrogation, but rather were likely watching via video or one-way mirror
    3. these Americans cannnot be compelled to testify, either because:

    (a) they have some immunity to compulsory process through an obscure statute or court decision (the Sixth Amendment seems pretty clear going the other direction – i.e., no such immunity could/should exist);
    (b) their identities are unknown to the defendant and the Court, either through use of an alias or because the government will not disclose their identity (you can’t subpoena someone whose name you don’t know);
    (c) they are outside the reach of a subpoena from a US court. Being outside the reach of a subpoena from a US court means they are not (current) employees of the US; if they were, the court could say “government, produce the employees in question on pain of dismissal with prejudice of the case”. The government would then be faced with that tough choice. Being outside the reach of a subpoena from a US court would also imply, though not require, that they were outside the boundaries of the US.
    (d) the government has decided that making them unavailable to testify is more important than that quaint prosecutorial duty, “seeking justice”.

    4. The government may have contrived to keep these potential witnesses (to torture) unavailable to testify – the Court either is unsure or does not want to come out and say it directly (for fear the whole footnote would be redacted).

    I’m betting these were either undercover CIA agents or contractors, with a direct connection to the FBI, probably operating out of the embassy. Alternatively, they could have been DIA/DoD/JSOC types (or DoD contractors) who weren’t supposed to be in Tanzania in the first place but whose presence was tolerated by FBI because they were catching a terrist.

    “Contrived unavailability” of a witness is addressed in the hearsay rules and its remedies can range from finding a way to admit the evidence, to barring the evidence, to barring the evidence and charging the jury the party has contrived to keep a witness absent and therefore they should draw an adverse inference, to a judgment against the party contriving to absent the witness.

    • emptywheel says:

      Thanks for that, scribe.

      That was precisely my sense: Kaplan is saying there are Americans who observed that interrogation but by whatever means are not being produced to testify. But it makes a lot more sense as you explain it.

      Also, I’ve been reminded that Tanzania is one of the places where it is rumored we had black sites that have not yet been accounted for.

      And my first thought when I read of Mr. Mazoa’s creepy comment is that he was now a contractor.

      • MadDog says:

        In keeping with EW’s surmises, from page 23 of Kaplan’s ruling (63 page PDF):

        …Before proceeding to what is known about the substance of those interrogations, the Court pauses on some threshold matters.

        First, there is conflicting evidence…

        …even as to the number of days during which the Tanzanians questioned Abebe without direct American participation…

        This seems to me a fairly damning statement from Kaplan that US government wouldn’t answer his questions about American involvement in Abebe’s interrogation.

  2. Mary says:

    That was my takeaway from the much less detailed order as well. The language there, ““including importantly its assessment of the credibility of the only witnesses called to testify who actually were present when Abebe was persuaded to confess his role, to implicate Ghailani, and to cooperate with authorities” was pretty carefully selected it seemed.

    It certainly sounds like the court thought there were more witnesses, they were deliberately not being called or provided to the court/defense, the FBI was clean teaming, and that Abebe wasn’t just questioned, but was “persuaded” – to confess, to implicate, and to cooperate.

    You might also have an American “firm” (Blackwater, etc.) of contractors using non-US nationals as ICs or employees. It’s a pretty sad thing, when the FBI is now so tied in with torture that the first thing you think about when they show up after a confession has already been extracted is that they were deliberately trying to launder torture.

  3. pdaly says:

    The cold call to Abebe to encourage Abebe to take a loan out to take a trip to ‘voluntarily’ meet with strangers in Dar Es Salaam certainly sounds like the US government was aware of the poison fruit aspect from the beginning.
    I’m assuming they were hoping Abebe would solve their problem by following these suggestions, else why not swoop down on him from the beginning, in his home, no knocking or announcing, etc.? Each subsequent interaction with Abebe was an attempt to ‘herd cats.’

    Even after Abebe was released from his captors, there is an attempt to control him with implied threats:
    This detail from Judge Kaplan’s Oct 6, 2010 opinion is interesting as well:
    p. 29 Abebe’s Release on Bond

    “Abebe finally was released on a police bond handwritten [italics mine] in Swahili by Mlowola on August 24, 2006. The bond, as translated by Mlowola, described Abebe as having been “accused of committing the offense of conspiring to murder and terrorist acts” and to report every Monday morning to the regional crime office in Arusha.

    Then Footnote 116 refers to government exhibit 6-T (Mlowola’s testimony regarding the bond he handwrote and the English translation he supplied)

    Mlowola testified that the Swahili word he translated as “accused” actually means either “suspected” or “accused” and that his use of the word “accused “ in his translation of the bond was an error. [snip]

    [The Court] finds that the English translation Mlowola prepared accurately reflects what was communicated to Abebe.

    I wonder why Mlowola didn’t have someone type up the bond, instead.

    Also seems that Abebe has family in high places; maybe this saved him some worse fate:
    p. 30 :

    “Abebe was never formally charged but the bond’s restrictions remained in effect for at least a year. The bond was eliminated only after Abebe brother in law, the chief judge of the Supreme Court of Tanzania, spoke to certain authorities on his behalf.”

  4. pdaly says:

    Also from Judge Kaplan’s opinion

    Beginning:
    The question presented by this motion is whether the government may use in this criminal trial the testimony of a witness whom the government obtained only through information it allegedly extracted by physical and psychological abuse of the defendant. The government has elected not to litigate the details of what was done to the defendant.

    Conclusion:
    [The Court] is acutely aware of the perilous world in which we live. But we must adhere to the basic principles that govern our nation not only when it is convenient to do so, but when perceived expediency tempts some to pursue a different course.

    Is Kaplan laying out a fact pattern for another signer to the Geneva Conventions to take up? To prosecute torture?

    • Garrett says:

      Uthman, too, certainly calls up the duty to investigate:

      The Court will not rely on the statements of Hajj or Kazimi because there is unrebutted evidence in the record that, at the time of the interrogations at which they made the statements, both men had recently been tortured.
      p. 6

      Respondents do not argue that the alleged torture of Haii and Kazimi is sufficiently attenuated from the interviews at which they gave the relevant statements to support a conclusion that despite the coercion, the statements are nonetheless reliable.7 The interviews on which the relevant FM40s are based occurred in Bagram, where torture of Hajj was ongoing and where Kazimi had arrived directly from the CIA prison, at which he was tortured, only about a month earlier.
      p. 11

      Kazimi’s statements are not sufficiently attenuated from torture, of which there are unrebutted allegations in the record, by other interrogators.
      p. 21

  5. Garrett says:

    A timeline: Project to Enforce the Geneva Conventions, History. It starts at about the Peloponnesian War, and ends with passage of the health care bill.