James Clapper Confirms NSA Engages in Domestic Surveillance

In today’s threat hearing, Jim Langevin tried to get James Clapperto provider him with talkingp points he could use in radio interviews about the seriousness of the Snowden leaks. (39:15 and following)

One problem with that — as Clapper readily admitted — is that the Intelligence Community doesn’t know what Snowden has (in spite of their repeated leaked claims that he has 1.7 million documents).

Clapper: We don’t really know the full extent or the full impact of these revelations.

Langevin pressed, asking Clapper to quantify in some way what he had briefed the committee that the “vast majority of data that’s been stolen, that we’ve been able to assess to date, has had very little to do with just surveillance.”

Clapper hedged and hedged, until Langevin got him to say that “less than 10% of what Snowden might potentially have taken (but they don’t know one way or another) has to do with domestic surveillance.”

Clapper: That’s also difficult. I can just say that the vast vast majority of what has been potentially compromised — as I indicated in my oral statement — goes way way beyond the revelations about domestic surveillance which I was given to understand that was his primary concern. What he potentially — what he accessed, what he scraped, what he potentially made off with is, uh, transcends that. So it’s quite serious.

Langevin: Can you say–

Clapper: It’s hard pressed to ascribe a number.

Langevin: Can you give a, is it 10% or,

Clapper: I would say that probably less than 10% has to do with domestic surveillance.

Now, there’s a lot that’s telling about this exchange. I have noted months ago that the government would have been better served providing Snowden a way to cooperate with their investigation, as former actual spies would. But they chose to strand him in Russia, leaving them perpetually uncertain about what Snowden has and what the Russians might get, and therefore responding not just to what does get released, but to everything they think he might potentially have taken.

Then there’s Clapper’s suggestion that all Snowden might want to expose only “domestic surveillance.” The notion that US corruption of encryption standards, or US collection of US person data overseas, or Five Eyes creation of the architecture of tyranny (turnkey tyranny and architecture of oppression are terms Snowden has used), is not every bit as important as exposing the dragnet, he misunderstands the power of the dragnets he oversees.

But finally, there’s Clapper’s use of the term “domestic surveillance” (which in his opening statement he called “so-called domestic surveillance”) and his suggestion that less than 10% of Snowden’s leaks address it.

The NSA has been telling us for months and months they don’t engage in domestic surveillance.

James Clapper apparently admits they do.

 

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emptywheel @steveglista And found based on tips from the alert. @raynetoday
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JimWhiteGNV Just look at all those awesome #Gators superheroes in their capes! http://t.co/W49vzmk9pu
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emptywheel @JZdziarski Not sure what you're asking but @raynetoday prolly better able to answer, as she's been camping on the Amber Alert site.
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emptywheel @raynetoday @csoghoian is right tho. Getting the alert actually alerted me to where I could turn off similar alerts.
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emptywheel @raynetoday All we made sense of at 5-fucking-o-clock was "pick up in some town we've never heard of" but full alert still on MY phone later
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emptywheel @raynetoday They did include license plate. And how many teal F250s from 2000 are still on the road?
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emptywheel @raynetoday Not least bc those who slept through the fucking buzzer might have only gotten alert by time she was found.
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emptywheel @raynetoday It'd be useful if they said, "Sorry we woke the entire state, but it worked bc gas station attendant recognized dad's truck."
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emptywheel @raynetoday Curious that they didn't say Amber Alert worked or whether they just found father at home or something. Assume you got it too?
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emptywheel RT @raynetoday: .@emptywheel Updated news report says Hailey Betts found safe, w/father http://t.co/vj7465uIQk per report ~5hr ago (before …
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bmaz @gideonstrumpet @Popehat What, are y'all trying to become the Arizona of the east?
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emptywheel @csoghoian Just as example, case offered was kid kidnapped, police wanting to know WHO she texted beforehand. So iMessage metadata?
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