Trump Already Confessed He Knew about “the Girls”
On the same day Adelita Grijalva will finally be sworn in and provide the 218th vote to force a vote to release the Epstein files, Oversight Dems have released three records from Jeffrey Epstein’s estate making it clear Trump is more implicated in Epstein’s crimes than he has let on.
There’s one email that will ensure that Melania Trump backs off her threat to sue Michael Wolff. He and the sex trafficker were discussing how to craft an answer Trump could give to CNN about their relationship during the 2015 election.
Effectively, Epstein was offering to provide Trump an answer to make things easy on Trump.
The most damning describes Epstein, discussing with Ghislaine Maxwell in 2011 one of the victims spending “hours at [Epstein’s] house with Trump.
That conversation transpired in April 2011, just a month before Trump dropped out of the presidential race.
The most intriguing was another email exchanged with Wolff, just six months before Epstein was arrested and then suicided, in which Epstein claimed Trump was lying when he “said he asked me to resign, never a member ever.”
One of the first times this claim was aired was in a 2007 Page Six story that preceded many of the details becoming public.
Meanwhile, the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told us. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.” Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.
Trump has, at times, admitted he served as an anonymous source for Page Six.
Trump repeated this story, in two parts, in July.
First, days after Todd Blanche sat down with Ghislaine Maxwell, Trump described that Epstein “hired help” from Trump, and continued doing so even after Trump “said, don’t ever do that again,” implying that he told Epstein to stop.
What caused the breach with him? Very easy to explain. But I don’t want to waste your time by explaining it. But for years I wouldn’t talk to Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn’t talk. Because he did something that was inappropriate. He hired help. And I said, don’t ever do that again. He stole people that worked for me. I said, don’t ever do that again. He did it again. And I threw him out of the place. Persona non grata. I threw him out. And that was it.
Then, the next day, Trump confessed that Virginia Giuffre was one of the “young women” that Epstein “stole.”
Reporter 1: I’m just curious. Were some of the workers that were taken from you — were some of them young women?
Trump: Were some of them?
Reporter 1: Were some of them young women?
Trump: Well, I don’t wanna say, but everyone knows the people that were taken. It was, the concept of taking people that work for me is bad. But that story’s been pretty well out there. And the answer is, yes, they were.
[inaudible]
Trump: In the spa. People that work in the spa. I have a great spa, one of the best spas in the world at Mar-a-Lago. And people were taken out of the spa. Hired. By him. In other words, gone. And um, other people would come and complain. This guy is taking people from the spa. I didn’t know that. And then when I heard about it I told him, I said, listen, we don’t want you taking our people, whether they were spa or not spa. I don’t want him taking people. And he was fine and then not too long after that he did it again and I said Out of here.
Reporter 2: Mr. President, did one of those stolen persons, did that include Virginia Giuffre?
Trump: Uh, I don’t know. I think she worked at the spa. I think so. I think that was one of the people, yeah. He stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us, as you know. None whatsoever.
Both these limited hangouts, delivered in the wake of Blanche’s interviews with Maxwell, blame Epstein for stealing his girls.
But it wasn’t Epstein stealing the girls and he didn’t tell Epstein to stop.
He told Maxwell to stop.
And then he lied and claimed he had kicked Epstein out as a result.
And then Todd Blanche moved Epstein’s co-conspirator, who didn’t mention the girl Trump spent hours with or remind Blanche of Trump’s knowledge she was trafficking girls from his club, into comfier digs.
I presume that it’d be hard to prove that Epstein was never a member from the outside but it’d be easy to prove he was a member, or Maxwell was a member, with club records. If Democrats hold a hearing on Maxwell’s preferential treatment in prison, I presume that Trump Organization will fight any subpoenas for club records, especially membership records, to the bitter end. How does that play out?
If I understand this correctly, Trump was well aware of what Maxwell and Epstein’s interest in Mar-a-Lago’s female staff was about and didn’t then call in law enforcement?
Correct.
And we know that bc Ghislaine stole Giuffre in 2000, then stole another girl maybe in 2004.
So Trump did nothing to rescue Giuffre.
My beloved and I were discussing what could be in these files that were so damning they could never be released, and after sleeping on it (allegedly the Iroquois never made a major decision without letting the brain toss it around) one other very ugly alleged possibility comes to mind: Convict-1 was a conduit like Maxwell was. It would be worse if the girls were paid for in some way, and FWIW no one would think it was OK beyond the hardcore MAGAs. Again, this is rank speculation so take this as a possibility.
Arguing in favor of this is the confidence I see in Epstein’s messages that he has something really big to hold over Convict-1, and the timing of the 2012 dropout is … curious if not dispositive by itself. This would also be buttressed by the over-the-top efforts by the GOP (many of whom are probably documented as well) to prevent even the redacted releases. We know that Giuffre was singled out as a cause for Epstein’s removal from Mar-A-Lago by Convict-1 when ‘I never knew them’ is his reflexive response. I suspect there is a lot more there and I’d start digging with Giuffre.
If as reported a thousand or so federal agents combed through the files to remove Convict-1 references (looking like Hogans Heroes prisoner letters afterward) those are a lot of people to pay off to keep quiet. Some pressure might be useful there as well. That task is a lot easier if the Ds get Congress back in 2026.
The dog that didn’t bark is, of course, from Sherlock Holmes. It’s the key piece of evidence that ties the entire case together. The dog didn’t bark because the dog recognized the perpetrator
Maybe I’m being thick, but I’m struggling to see the answer to the question – why was Trump not mentioned in 2011? Why did the dog not bark? “police chief etc. I’m 75% there.” What does that mean?
Was Epstein suggesting that Trump was acting as a CI for law enforcement? That seems unlikely to be true, as it would have come out by now, but Epstein may have thought it to be true at the time. Or that Trump was being protected in some other way, in which case what was it?
Suicided? Is that an official Emptywheel position that Epstein didn’t kill himself?
Nope. Just a good verb when there’s any uncertainty.
About the Page Six article dated 10/15/07.
It says “the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmeda Web site report that Epstein has been banned there.”
I have been trying to locate whatever the “Web site report” that was confirmed by Mar-a-Lago on 10/14/07. 10/14/07 may even be the date of the “Web site report”.
Interestingly, the November 2020 OPR Report has a footnote listing a 10/14/07 article that I can’t find online.
Footnote 301 on page 208 includes this article among several listed: “Andrew Pal Faces Sex List Shame,” Mail on Sunday, Oct. 14, 2007
Maybe I’m doing something wrong, but I can’t find it online, searching through the Mail archives. There is a similar article mentioning Andrew from 9/22/07.
https://web.archive.org/web/20251112152615/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/lifestyle/article-483401/Prince-Andrews-friend-Ghislaine-Maxwell-underage-girls-disturbing-story.html
There is reporting that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago in October 2007.
Link to 2020 Miami Herald article citing a book the Grifter’s Club: https://archive.is/y31zt
Which is way after 2004, if that is allegedly when Epstein “stole” the second victim from Mar-a-Lago. But shortly after the above 9/22/07 article and articles like the 10/01/07 NY Post article “‘Unhappy Ending’ Plea Deal—Moneyman to Get Jail For Teen Sex Massages”.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250716130252/https://nypost.com/2007/10/01/unhappy-ending-plea-deal/
I was about to post something similar from the Miami Herald. https://web.archive.org/web/20250506173059/https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article244689497.html
According to CSPAN: U.S. House of Representatives – November 12, 2025
The House will vote on the Senate-passed legislation to reopen the federal government, shutdown for 43 days. The House last voted on Sept. 19. Rep.-Elect Adelita Grijalva (D-AZ07), who won a Sept. 23 special election, will also be sworn into the House.
This is the only House session scheduled for this week.
I wonder if Johnson will allow a vote on the Bill and:
a) Not swear-in Grijalva and end the session with an adjournment sine die?
or
b) Swear her-in and then adjourn sine die after the vote?
Thereby avoiding any motion to add her vote to the discharge petition for the Epstein files.
Curious if he has procedure do this… or the lack of spine. “Spatchcock Johnson”
I’ve lost track of where this “report” came from. Long ago some MAGA said the FBI or let’s say someone is going to clean it all up. Who might have seen the original ‘report’ or even have a copy who might question the released report.
Is it a singular document or a collection of them? Was there a single author?