“Groceries,” and Other Secrets of Managing Donald Trump

Three things happened in the last week that have befuddled a lot of observers, but which might best be understood as the kinds of developments we’ll see increasingly as the power structure around Trump grows fragile and fluid:

  • A positively giddy Trump welcomed Zohran Mamdani to the White House
  • “The White House” rolled out yet another plan to sell out Ukraine to Russia
  • Marjorie Taylor Greene announced she will quit in early January

All of these, in my opinion, arose out of and reflect Trump’s increasing political weakness, his separate mental and physical decline, and the fight for power that results.

Mamdani speaks of Trump voters, groceries, and building

Much of the focus on the Trump-Mamdani meeting was on what Trump did, such as his interruption before Mamdani had to answer whether he believed Trump was a fascist, rather than on what Mamdani said. But if you look closely at what Mamdani said — which was often simply a restatement of his campaign pitch — he managed to say them in such a way that Trump parroted them as his own.

Both men centered their statements on their shared love of New York City, which is real and has been underplayed.

Mamdani’s first comment did so — as did his relentlessly disciplined campaign did — in terms of affordability; Mamdani mentioned “groceries,” the awkward shorthand Trump’s handlers have had him use to address affordability.

Mr. Trump: You know, we had some interesting conversation, and some of his ideas really are the same ideas that I have. A big thing on cost. The new word is “affordability.” Another word, it’s just groceries. It’s sort of an old-fashioned word, but it’s very accurate. They are coming down. They are coming down.

Mamdani repeatedly spoke in terms of Trump’s voters (again, a line directly from his campaign).

Trump had no idea that Mamdani targeted Trump voters, and as the coalition that elected him last year abandons him in the polls, Trump took notice when Mamdani explained that.

When I spoke to New Yorkers who had voted for the president last November on Hillside Avenue and Fordham Road, I asked them why. I heard, again and again, two major reasons. One was that they want an end to forever wars — they wanted an end to the taxpayers’ dollars we had funding violations of human rights, and they wanted to address the cost-of-living crisis. And I appreciated the chance to discuss both of those things.

Mr. Trump: He said a lot of my voters actually voted for him.

Mr. Mamdani: One in 10.

Mr. Trump: And I’m OK with that.

[snip]

Reporter: First of all, for the mayor-elect: You’re both from different parts of the political perspective. You’re both populist, though, and I just wonder to what extent the president’s campaign styles — his techniques, his social media use — inspired any part of your campaign?

Mr. Mamdani: Well, I actually told the president that, you know, so much of the focus of our campaign has been on the cost-of-living crisis, and when we asked those New Yorkers who had voted for the president — when we saw an increase in his numbers in New York City, that came back to the same issue. Cost of living. Cost of living. Cost of living.

And they spoke about the cost of groceries, the cost of rent, the cost of Con Ed, the cost of child care.

Mamdani seems to have reminded Trump that Trump got a historic number of votes last year (the voters Mamdani kicked off his campaign by canvassing) by running on affordability.

Reporter: Mr. President, you said you grew up in New York City. Mr. Mamdani, does New York City love President Trump?

Mr. Mamdani: New York City loves a future that is affordable. And I can tell you that there were more New Yorkers who voted for President Trump in the most recent presidential election because of that focus on cost of living, and I’m looking forward to working together to deliver on that affordability agenda.

President Trump: Got a lot. I got a lot of votes. One more, go ahead. One or two more. Go ahead.

Mamdani’s focus on Trump voters became a way to dodge very contentious questions.

Mr. Mamdani: I appreciate all efforts toward peace, and I shared with President Trump, when I spoke to Trump voters on Hillside Avenue — including one of whom was a pharmacist that spoke about how President Trump’s father actually went to that pharmacy not too far from Jamaica Estates — that people were tired of seeing our tax dollars fund endless wars.

By the end, Trump spoke of the way he himself (thinks he) picked up Bernie voters.

Mr. Trump: We agree on a lot more than I would have thought. I think he’s — I want him to do a great job, and we’ll help him do great job. You know, he may have different views, but in many ways, you know — we were discussing, when Bernie Sanders was out of the race, I picked up a lot of his votes, and people had no idea, because he was strong on not getting ripped off in trade and lots of the things that I practiced, and been very successful on.

Tariffs, a lot of things. Bernie Sanders and I agreed on much more than people thought, and when he was put out of the race — I think quite unfairly, if you want to know the truth — many of the Bernie Sanders voters voted for me, and I felt very comfortable frankly seeing that and saying that. And you know, it just turned out to be a statistical truth.

Perhaps the most fascinating reflection came when Trump appeared to parrot Mamdani’s shift of discussions about ICE into a question about crime, whence Trump immediately addressed building.

Mr. Trump: What we did is, we discussed crime. More than ICE, per se, we discussed crime. And he doesn’t want to see crime, and I don’t want to see crime, and I have very little doubt that we’re not going to get along on that issue. And he wants to — and he said some things that were very interesting, very interesting, as to housing construction, and he wants to see houses go up. He wants to see a lot of houses created, a lot of apartments built, et cetera. You know, we actually — people would be shocked, but I want to see the same thing.

Trump repeated that progression later, and specifically said Mamdani told him things Trump had not seen in coverage.

He wants to see no crime. He wants to see housing being built. He wants to see rents coming down, all the things that I agree with. We may disagree on how we get there. The rent coming down — I think one of the things I really gleaned very, very much today, he would like to see them come down ideally by building a lot of additional housing. That’s the ultimate way. He agrees with that, and so do I.

But, if I read the newspapers, and the stories — I don’t hear that. But I heard him say it today. I think that’s a very positive step. Now, I don’t expect — I expect to be helping him, not hurting him. A big help, because I want New York City to be great.

Look, I love New York City. It’s where I come from.

None of Mamdani’s success should be that surprising. He’s a rock star in whose aura Trump would like to bathe.

Mamdani simply managed Trump the same way everyone does: by getting alone in a room with him and making him adopt your ideas as his own.

Kirill Dmitriev continues to cultivate the people alone in the room with Trump

Which brings us to the latest Ukrainian “piece” plan, a 28-point plan to force Ukraine to capitulate to Russia on threat of losing US intelligence and arms (though Cristo Grozev believes there are two bullets that Russia did not release publicly).

Phillips OBrien announced, hopefully prematurely, that this was the long-awaited denouement of Trump’s long con of pretending he cares about Ukraine.

Instead, what actually happened on November 21 was that the Trump Administration came for Ukraine—as they always intended to do. The Secretary of the Army, Dan Driscoll, a very close associate of VP JD Vance, went to Kyiv and tried to bully the Ukrainians into accepting Trump’s 28 Point Plan to neuter Ukraine. Driscoll formally presented the plan to divide Ukraine now, and end it later, and the reality of what Ukraine and Europe was facing finally sunk in. Here was how the Atlantic story on the meeting began.

Dan Driscoll kept everyone waiting. The United States secretary of the Army had been due to arrive earlier today at the U.S. ambassador’s residence in Kyiv to speak with diplomats from NATO member states. The guests were eager to hear about the 28-point peace plan Driscoll had delivered on behalf of the Trump administration to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But what they heard when Driscoll finally got there left some of the Europeans infuriated. “I feel nauseous,” one diplomat told us afterward. “It’s like the world is shattering around us, and we are watching it in real time.”

The most depressing thing from the above story was that the diplomat was surprised at what the administration was doing; or I should say that the unnamed diplomat had fallen for the Trump Administration’s long con. The long con was that they would ever do anything meaningful to hurt Putin and help Ukraine, that somehow they were honest brokers in this war. They never were. They have always wanted Putin to get the best deal possible and they have always wanted to severely weaken Ukraine. Whatever steps the administration took to seem to help Ukraine were performative; steps that were designed to make it look like they would be tough on Putin, but in the end never were more mirage-like than anything else.

Michael Weiss catalogs all the signs that the deal was, instead, Kirill Dmitriev successfully manipulating the press.

What struck me as odd about this whole affair was that for such a multi-authored, monthlong project, no one from the American side was willing to go on the record to talk about it. Everything was on-background comment — except for Dmitriev, who was only too happy to gibber. Moreover, the State Department was silent; all journalist inquiries directed at Foggy Bottom were not even redirected to the White House, which is highly abnormal on matters of foreign policy sensitivity. Then, late Wednesday night, Rubio, under his personal account, tweeted this: “Ending a complex and deadly war such as the one in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas. And achieving a durable peace will require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions. That is why we are and will continue to develop a list of potential ideas for ending this war based on input from both sides of this conflict.”

To anyone on nodding terms with diplomatese, this sounded like the whirr of the backpedal, Rubio’s way of trying to downplay expectations created by Dmitriev and Axios and the resulting press frenzy. An “extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas” was not, after all, a signed, sealed, and delivered plan of action, which Politico’s Dasha Burns had described (citing a “senior White House official”) as a “fait accompli,” cobbled together without the input or consent of Brussels. “We don’t really care about the Europeans,” said that same senior White House official, even though the EU and NATO will have an outsize say in determining the future of Ukraine and Europe, from sanctions relief to security assistance.

[snip]

Was Trump really acquainted with the deal in all its details? What did his “support” for Witkoff amount to? Recall that the preliminaries for the doomed Anchorage summit consisted of Witkoff misinterpreting what the Russians were offering (easy enough to do when you rely on an SVR translator) and making it seem as if they’d conceded things they hadn’t. This caused some dyspepsia in the Oval, and Trump later “jokingly” dismissed Witkoff’s ability to parlay with the Russians.

Could this be happening again? And could it be even worse now that Trump (distracted with his imploding MAGA coalition at home, a flush-worthy approval rating, a battering at the polls on Nov. 4, and bloodlust for the domestic opposition) is too busy to care about the finer points of his big, beautiful peace deal for Ukraine? “Sure, Steve, sounds great, keep going” sounded like what amounted to the Trump seal of approval here, but we don’t know because no one bothered to ask this question (or, at least, no one managed to have it answered).

[snip]

Politico now clarified that “a number of people who would have normally been informed of such a plan at the White House and State Department were also not consulted about Witkoff’s renewed push,” with one U.S. official saying there was “zero interagency coordination.” You don’t say.

Reuters (including Erin Banco revisiting her past reporting on Dmitriev’s efforts to do precisely this in Seychelles in 2017) describes some of the machinations in Miami that went into this production.

U.S. officials and lawmakers are increasingly concerned about a meeting last month in which representatives of the Trump administration met with Kirill Dmitriev, a Russian envoy who is under U.S. sanctions, to draft a plan to end the war in Ukraine, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

The meeting took place in Miami at the end of October and included special envoy Steve Witkoff, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and Dmitriev, who leads the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), one of Russia’s largest sovereign wealth funds.

The most telling development, however, are competing and quickly evolving stories from Senator Mike Rounds (who would lead opposition to such a plan in the Senate) and Marco Rubio about whether this is a US plan.

Rubio reassured Senators mobilizing opposition to this development that it wasn’t a done deal, but then backtracked to avoid losing his place in the room.

As Yaroslav Trofimoev quipped,

Foreign nations now have to deal with rival factions of the U.S. government who keep major policy initiatives secret from each other and some of which work with foreign powers as the succession battle for 2028 begins, is how one diplomat put it.

One thing that’s happening is that Marco Rubio has survived in the Trump White House as long as he has because he is very good at mirroring, usually passively so. He says, and his State Department says, what his State Department babysitters say, people like Darren Beattie and Christopher Landau. But Rubio has generally remained in the room even at key times, and particularly with Ukraine, has thus far managed to prevent the worst from happening.

Importantly, though, Dmitriev’s tremendous success at manipulating the other people in the room with Trump comes at a time when Tom Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene — neither big backers of Ukraine — showed how to beat Trump: by bypassing Mike Johnson to force a politically difficult vote, and to do so with enough success to force the Senate’s hand.

Brian Fitzpatrick and Don Bacon, both staunch backers of Ukraine in the House, have initiated an effort to replicate that approach.

There are the numbers right now to pass sanctions against Russia: at least 218 in the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Those numbers just happen to be similar to the same numbers as it would take to impeach Trump.

Which is to say, the very thing that made it possible for Dmitriev to recruit (ahem) the people in the room with Trump — the flux in the White House now — is also the thing that makes him more vulnerable than he was a month ago.

Exit Marjorie Taylor Greene, for now

There’s a lot about MTG’s departure I’m not much interested in: making Trump the primary actor, making Marge the victim, debating whether she’ll be friend or foe, focusing more on the timing as it relates to getting her pension than as it relates to the healthcare crisis Republicans will soon own.

MTG is far smarter than people give her credit for and she’s very adept at using the tools of right wing politics.

In recent months the good old boys in Georgia and even Trump’s top aides refused to let her run for state-wide office in Georgia, believing she could risk an increasingly purple state.

That was part of, but only part of, the background to her willingness to take a leadership position on Epstein. She does genuinely care about the issue and/or she does recognize its salience among populists.

The part of MTG’s statement that generated the most attention (which appears in ¶¶33 and 34 of her statement) — her prediction Republicans will lose the House and have to stave off a Trump impeachment…

I have too much self respect and dignity, love my family way too much, and do not want my sweet district to have to endure a hurtful and hateful primary against me by the President we all fought for, only to fight and win my election while Republicans will likely lose the midterms. And in turn, be expected to defend the President against impeachment after he hatefully dumped tens of millions of dollars against me and tried to destroy me.

It’s all so absurd and completely unserious. I refuse to be a ‘battered wife’ hoping it all goes away and gets better.

… Comes long after (¶¶4-12) a series of paragraphs that could be spoken by a racist Zohran Mamdani, and with all the charisma and political acumen he has.

No matter which way the political pendulum swings, Republican or Democrat, nothing ever gets better for the common American man or woman.

The debt goes higher.

Corporate and global interests remain Washington’s sweethearts.

American jobs continue to be replaced whether it’s by illegal labor or legal labor by visas or just shipped overseas.

Small businesses continue to be swallowed by big corporations.

Americans’ hard earned tax dollars always fund foreign wars, foreign aid, and foreign interests.

The spending power of the dollar continues to decline.

The average American family can no longer survive on a single bread winner’s income as both parents must work in order to simply survive.

And today, many in my children’s generation feel hopeless for their future and don’t think they will ever realize the American dream, which breaks my heart.

MTG is taking her significant campaign cash and selling high, and promising to be there to buy low after whatever upcoming catastrophe happens.

When the common American people finally realize and understand that the Political Industrial Complex of both parties is ripping this country apart, that not one elected leader like me is able to stop Washington’s machine from gradually destroying our country, and instead the reality is that they, common Americans, The People, possess the real power over Washington, then I’ll be here by their side to rebuild it.

Until then I’m going back to the people I love, to live life to the fullest as I always have, and look forward to a new path ahead.

She rode Trump’s coattails until she decided the coattails weren’t worth the effort anymore.

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  1. Matt_18SEP2025_1937h says:

    Apologies in advance for running afoul of the username rules- I will use this one going forward and save the details to my phone.

    My hunch is that MTG’s departure can be reduced to two numbers. 700k and 22-25mm, which are reported to be her net worth upon entry to Congress and now. Republican (and probably Democrat) office holding is a fantastically successful grift machine- why stick around any longer than need be if that’s your goal?

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    • WinningerR says:

      I just reviewed MTG’s Financial Disclosure Forms from 2021 (her first year in Congress) and 2025. Contra AOC, there doesn’t appear to be a massive leap in her net worth over that span. Your 700k figure is bogus; Greene was already moderately wealthy when she entered Congress. Her largest asset, by far, is her interest in her family’s construction company with a listed value between $5M and $25M. She’s an active stock trader and I’m sure she’s taken plenty of profits, but there aren’t obvious signs she’s skyrocketed her worth. The majority of her portfolio looks pretty mundane—the sort of stocks a competent money manager would select.

  2. BRUCE F COLE says:

    Fascinating stuff wrt the Mamdani/Trump meeting. It’s truly a testament to Mamdani’s personal charm and tactical brilliance, as well as a clear look at Trump’s mental malleability — a feature that Miller has mastered control of on the dark side…

    Speaking of which, as to the UKN shit: it’s conclusive evidence that Putin and his crew have mastered it as well. I think the euro/NATO folks (a broad majority of them, at least) will jump up from the mat in this case, to counter their *former* ally who’s now tag-teaming with the bad guys. They have to, don’t they? Will the House majority and Senate super-majority in favor of our NATO alliances join them? They have to, GOPers included, don’t they? In a weird way (what other way is there these days?) the Nov 4 drubbing, and Mamdani’s WH visit prompting the “Socialism is Evil” resolution in Congress, gives the GOP ample wiggle room on this. I mean, how hard is it to treat the most blatant war criminal since Pol Pot as an adversary instead of a kompromat-weilding death-merchant?

    And speaking (again) of head-spinning juxtapositions, here’s a piece from the RW Daily Mail (they cheered on the Blackshirt fascists before WWII and gave journaistic blow jobs to both Mussolini and Hitler) favorably quoting AOC’s brutal takedown of MTG’s take-the-money-and-run retirement timing:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15315721/marjorie-taylor-greene-quit-congress-pension.html

    Thanks again to Marcy for corralling this disparate mess, making the threads and relationships somehow weirdly understandable.

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        …and the talks are in Geneva, so Switzerland is shedding their neutrality in this case? Because this isn’t talks between rivals, it’s an alliance-forming meeting, of sorts.

        There will be a lot to unpack, to put it mildly.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          Wouldn’t this be great if it drove the UK back into continental fellowship somehow?

          Rubio is so far in over his head (and spread-eagle athwart the pro/anti Putin crevasse in his own head) that he might well be laughed out of there.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          I’m wondering if the 4- and 9-eyes relationships may be morphing, as a result of this outright capitulation to Moscow, to deduct 1 from their respective eye counts.

        • e.a. foster says:

          Agree. Right now it would be stupid to trust trump and all his appointees. Their game is private and not in the best interest of the country or any other country except perhaps Russia

      • Cicero101 says:

        Ukraine is Europe’s 1938 Munich moment. If they can see it and find some spine I sincerely hope New Zealand joins them. It doesn’t need to have a public hissy fit with the USA to do so.

  3. wa_rickf says:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene announced she will quit in early January

    January 5th 2026 is two days AFTER Marg earns her Congressional pension.

    • emptywheel says:

      You’ll note I said I’m not all that interested in that detail. If that explains the timing, so what, it’s not that much money and she won’t get it for years. What’s more interesting is she’s leaving just as healthcare shock will go into effect.

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        AOC’s comment about it folded in a slam on Congressional insider trading, which MTG also profited from, and the abolishment of which is absolutely necessary going forward. That was smart, imo, and useful, especially as the Dem leadership dropped that ball when it was in their hands a few years ago.

      • Cheez Whiz says:

        I listened to Marge’s speech. In between all the self-praise (so much validation!) and America First populism were complaints that “establishment Republicans” blocked her legislation and betrayed Trump’s MAGA promise (being careful to praise Trump despite their “few” differences). That made me think Johnson offered her the Al Franken deal (you can stay but the only thing you can do is cast a vote) as punishment for defying Trump one too many times. She sounded like she’d love to run for Govenor or President if she can find the money, but definiely positioning herself for a post-Trump world without challenging Trump.

        • e.a. foster says:

          What ever the reason is that she resigned I doubt its because of Trump and all the b.s. floating around. don’t know what her agenda or end game is but she has one and it has nothing to do with Epstein, Trump, etc. Don’t believe what she says about having Trump target her, etc. None of that I am sure doesn’t bother her. She is most likely taking a rest before she begins stage 2 of her play

      • dadidoc1 says:

        In other words, her retirement takes effect at about the same time her constituents realize she helped shiv them.

  4. GKJames25 says:

    “Reporter: Mr. President, you said you grew up in New York City. Mr. Mamdani, does New York City love President Trump?”

    Good grief.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Important context: Trump/The White House had set up a RW ambush machine before the Mamdani meeting, inviting only the most rabid (and stupid) RW media to the event. When Trump ended up defending Mamdani from their pre-scripted attacks, they seemed completely befuddled.

      I wonder what Stephen Miller thought about the whole thing.

  5. johno808 says:

    Here’s a text I sent:
    “Mamdani meeting Trump tomorrow. He’s pretty hip – and he can bro with Trump. Watch Trump try to jump on the bandwagon.

  6. ernesto1581 says:

    Thank goodness for people like you and Grozev, people who just won’t let go and won’t go away.
    Given the apparent “zero interagency coordination”, the quote from Trofimoev places the state of the “exceptional” republic even more squarely in the line of historic collapses, leaving one to wonder which characters will emerge as latter-day Ronin, who will take the role of Jeanne D’Arc.

  7. zscoreUSA says:

    “Dyspepsia” is an apt and underused term.

    Gozev’s tweet says he was aware of Russia’s 30 point plan 6 months ago, ie mid May. On May 1st, Trump removed Mike Walz as National Security Advisor, and replaced him with Rubio, on an “interim” basis.

    At the time, it stood out that Walz and Rubio really only differed in a key area. They differed in their willingness to adopt Trump’s stance on Russia. Walz kept a hard line on Russia, and it would be lovely to hear his unfiltered thoughts on this peace plan drawn from his conversations with Trump and his administration.

    The 2 points missing from Russia’s 28 point peace plan involve US bailing Russia while Trump & his cronies getting rich off rebuilding Russia and forming an anti-China alliance built on fake Christianity.

    • e.a. foster says:

      Your last para. would not surprise me if that is what he wants to do.
      Just hope if he gets into it with China that China remembers where Canada is when the missiles start flying. Don’t think the U.S.A. would have time to deliver any F 35s to Canada if we decided to buy them. They’d have the money and then stick it to us. Sort of like Trump used to do to people when he was in the real estate business.

  8. Magwheels says:

    We may see some surprises in this season of Succession but one episode we’re sure to get soon is Venezuela.

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  9. bawiggans says:

    Trump has approached his second term as a hostile takeover of something onto which he is determined to impose the structure of an organized crime organization. His vanity and sense of who he is virtually blind him to all the attributes of American government that do not feature in running a crime family. Even as his neglect of the complex inertias of this thing he has got control of starts to degrade the functioning of the nation and society, he may not care as long as he can continue to squeeze out of it the things that are important to him. He seems content to let his capos run their rackets unhindered as long as he gets his cut, they kiss the ring and they are careful not to run afoul of his whims-du jure. In all likelihood, he will never see it coming.

  10. Raven Eye says:

    It has been astonishing to watch the “Ukraine” “peace” proposal unroll and unravel in real time. Literally, in a matter of hours, it’s gone from “The dog ate my homework” to “The dog WROTE my homework”.

  11. Jharpjharp says:

    My 2 cents is Trump doesn’t give a shit about governing.

    Trump has one thing on his mind. Looting the treasury.

    And at his age and mental capacity he just ain’t up to doing both.

  12. Savage Librarian says:

    It was barely reported on this summer when Trump made these remarks about Susie Wiles on June 4, 2025, at a White House Summer Soirée. But now it’s mentioned again in the current article below. It does make me wonder what Trump is actually referring to.

    “Trump Boasts Susie Wiles Could Wipe Out Any Country With Just One Phone Call” – Melvin Gascon, 11/20/25

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trump-boasts-susie-wiles-could-wipe-out-any-country-just-one-phone-call-1756728

    Later, in mid-August, Michael Wolff made a point of stating that Jared Kushner had a much bigger impact on Trump’s decision making than was visibly evident. He says Kushner is a major force behind the scenes. He also said it was Jared who should be credited for getting Susie Wiles hired. And, remember, she worked on the deal with Witkoff, Waltz, Ratcliffe and MBS to trade Alexander Vinnik for Marc Fogel in February.

    Then in late August, Lev Parnas made a point of stating that Witkoff is NOT confused. He’s from the 90’s real estate world of Russian oligarchs, like Trump. Parnas claims Kirill Dmitriev is Witkoff’s handler.

    Which brings me back to the remarks Trump made about Wiles. Does anyone have any specifics on what Trump was referring to when he said those things about Wiles?

    [If I can find the citations for my Wolff and Witkoff comments later, I’ll come back with them.]

    • zscoreUSA says:

      Parnas made the handler claim on his Substack, a few weeks after the Anchorage Summit, August 30.

      Let me make it very clear, Witkoff isn’t confused. He’s obsessed. Like Trump, he came up in the real estate world of the 1990s, making money with the same Russian oligarchs who answer directly to the Kremlin. They were both swimming in Moscow’s dirty money long before Ukraine was ever on the headlines.

      That’s why I tell you: the real deals aren’t happening in public. They’re not in the leaks you see. They’re not in Witkoff’s babbling reports. The real manipulations are happening behind closed doors with his handler, Kirill Dmitriev, Putin’s fixer.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20250912122208/https://levremembers.substack.com/p/breaking-witkoff-exposed-trumps-envoy

      Witkoff has been in Trump’s orbit since 1986, shortly before Trump and Epstein linked up.

      Witkoff also has ties to Blavatnik and Lorber. Trump went to Moscow in the mid 90’s with Lorber and Epstein associate Leon Black.

      I haven’t seen a link between Witkoff and Epstein, but would it be a shock if there was a link buried there?

      https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-officials-meeting-with-russian-miami-spurs-questions-about-latest-ukraine-2025-11-22/

      https://therealdeal.com/national/2021/03/11/lorber-witkoff-launch-250m-spac/

      https://web.archive.org/web/20200306004937/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-07/trump-s-moscow-trip-in-90s-had-another-luminary-apollo-s-black

      • xyxyxyxy says:

        Connection of Witkoff and Epstein?
        They’re both dealing with Israeli intelligence and other heads of state and dollars.
        Who taught whom?

        • wa_rickf says:

          Bondi and Patel say that Epstein acted alone. There is no blackmail. Moses Mike says the Epstein files had “national security” implications.

          How can a guy who “acted alone” and there is “no blackmail” have “nautical security” implications?

          Why has Bibi visited the WH three times this year, and why did he twice make a video claiming Israel has nothing to do with CK’s assassination?

          Epstein wrote a speech for former Israeli Prime Minister for Ehud Barak. There were also back channels of Epstein / Barak / Putin discussing profiting off the Syrian Civil War.

        • Rayne says:

          I’d like to know if there was an intersection between Epstein / Barak / Putin discussing profiting off the Syrian Civil War and Trump’s expressed intention to commit a war crime, keeping Syrian oil.

          Biden administration terminated the license granted to a developer by Trump 1.0, but did Trump 2.0 resurrect this effort by other means? And did Epstein / Barak / Putin play any role in setting up this entire oil grab to begin with?

          https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/inside-story-how-trump-kept-oil-syria-and-lost

        • zscoreUSA says:

          To be clear, I did not see a Witkoff connection to Epstein. I am saying their networks overlap, I would not be shocked if a connection emerged. It is something to keep an eye out for as information becomes public.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      reply to Savage Librarian:

      Michael Wolff might agree with Trump; All or Nothing, his book about the 2024 campaign, emphasizes Wiles’s role as *the* decisive advisor in winning the election, and that kind of help engenders loyalty (and special privileges) from Trump.

      The other key aspect of Wiles’s potential lethality is her closeness to Stephen Miller. As I understand it, the two of them essentially run the country from their WH positions, a task made easier by the checked-out and distracted POTUS who cares most about flattery (whether it comes from MBS or the socialist mayor-elect of NYC) and monetizing his position than anything involving focus.

      In short, Trump may have conflated Wiles’s intentions with those of Miller, her closest working partner.

      • Savage Librarian says:

        Interestingly, both Susie Wiles and John Roberts worked in the White House in 1982, during the Reagan administration. Maybe they passed in the hallways.

        Or maybe they now have a special rapport because they can chat about working with Reagan. It does seem like it could be a common denominator that might create some kind of bond between them, or a useful social connection.

  13. zscoreUSA says:

    MTG also road Qanon’s coattails. Her political career began as being a Qanon influencer, before that was even cool.

    “Q is a patriot, we know that for sure,” Greene said in a video from 2017, in which she recapped some of Q’s predictions and why she supports them.

    “There’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take this global cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles out, and I think we have the president to do it,” she said, referring to Trump.

    Note the extremely ironic 2nd paragraph above.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200817000853/https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre

    • P J Evans says:

      And when it’s been demonstrated that she’s been supporting that pedophile, she quits, conveniently after her pension vests, rather than during the Christmas recess.

  14. e.a. foster says:

    do wonder why trump wants to get out of assisting Ukraine. If its the cost of it all, then why is he trying to start a war with Venezuela and threatening Nigeria with invasion. Perhaps he wants out of Ukraine so he can focus on the other two countries because they do have oil. Trying to invade Nigeria ought to be a real shit show. 237.5 million people live there. Perhaps its all a distraction
    The war in Ukraine has cost a lot of money and destroyed a great deal of the Ukraine. If the U.S.A abandons Ukraine, it will take a very long time to recover and gives Russia a better chance of rolling over other countries. I suspect that was always the plan.
    Canada is looking at purchasing F 35s but Sweden has a nice jet also. I’ll be writing my M.P. asking we purchase jets from Sweden. trump and his gang are not to be trusted. He has taken over most of the American federal government, invaded cities in his own country and it could bottom out. We also don’t know what is being shared with Russia.
    Its all about the money and the quest for power by a bunch of little men who have major security issues. trump’s third play is the second time he has threatened to have Democratic politicians arrested or whatever. What happens if he actually carried out his threats. Who goes in to rescue them?

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Trump doesn’t care about Ukraine, except insofar as it’s a trophy he can present to his longtime sponsor Putin. Putin wants it, so Trump will twist himself in knots trying to give it to him.

      We tend to forget the Putin of all this. No one has benefitted more from this long degradation that is Trump 2 than Putin, who is seeing all his darkest prophecies about the US come true.

  15. wa_rickf says:

    NPR this morning featured MTG. In an interview, MTG states that neither Rs or Ds do anything for the American people. I’m sick-to-death of this “both sides” narrative. Joe and the Ds did a lot for us Americans. For me, Joe got rid of my student loan debt on August 15, 2023 – along with 800,000 other Americans student loan debt that day. My debt had the ridiculous amount of $100k in interst. Rs fought Joe tooth-and-nail on this topic.

    Everytime a D-POTUS tries to do good, the Rs fight them. Joe tried to do Immigration Reform, the Rs fought him. When Joe left office, America did have the hottest economy in the world – until Trump ruined it.

    Joe signed the American Rescue Plan, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the CHIPS and Science Act, and the Inflation Reduction Act. Trump and the Rs are dismanttling this. Joe signed law a investing in green energy – Trump and the Rs are dismantling this.

    MTG and her “both sides” is full of crap.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      A testament to MTG’s future as a GOP leader, which can only begin after Trump shuffles off his mortal coil, the party descends into leaderless chaos, and she re-emerges victoriously as its queen. At least, that sounds like her thinking.

      That’s pretty much the Trump game plan, too, except that MTG is a lot smarter. But, like Hillary and Harris, she has a lot of enemies, and not the same hold on the party as the ridiculously charismatic charlatan Trump.

    • nameoftherain says:

      To wa_rickf: SO MANY good & important things. Infrastructure & clean energy funding. And in my professional world, the Biden admin started a 10- year all-of-govt effort to dramatically increase funding for preserving Native American languages, with 10 regional language resource centers & many-fold more grant $$s in the pipeline via ANA, BIA, & other fed agencies. And an official letter/statement that for the first time acknowledged the US govt’s past policy of actively destroying Native languages & cultures & the obligation to help right those wrongs today. Needless to say, not only is all that a pile of ashes now, the agencies & **very limited** grant funding for NA languages that existed before are under attack, with many simply gone (as I’m sure Trump/Miller/ Hegseth et al. wd like to be the case for Native American languages & people). I don’t know if IMLS will be allowed to issue grants to tribes again, or if they are allowed to do anything beyond maintain an office at this point– and they are the kindest, most helpful people, supporting amazing projects! This administration is EVIL & you are right, there is no excuse for both-sidesing it.

  16. Mesenchyme says:

    Though neither honest nor grammatical, the Painted Pig seems fairly cogent both talking to and about Mamdani: staying on topic, making apropos comparisons without prompting, a reasonable summation. Probably all scripted, but staying on script.

    Possibly he didn’t even drool on his shirt.

    Either the handlers got his meds just right for the occasion, or our lefty discourse has come to its own version of Trumpian “truthful hyperbole”. What if we’re misunderestimating him again?

    • Rayne says:

      We’re misunderestimating his handlers. You only need to compare videos of Trump over the past 20 years to see how badly he’s degraded. You might also consider the nature of certain forms of dementia — faking normalcy is common in early to middle stages (see “show time” description). Consider also Trump’s physical behavior with Mamdani; this is not the same man who attempted a power handshake with Justin Trudeau during his first term. He didn’t even appear aware of the optics of his actions in spite of being able to parrot his script.

      • Nord Dakota says:

        Trump is like a drug they found they could use to turn enough people into addicts to win in 2016 and 2024. That makes him a useful idiot as well. But that means they have to massage him constantly and still there is the danger he will run off the rails. Eventually there will be a complete derailment, which would best happen while he is still alive and president. I have real trouble imagining that the people who share memes of Trump with halos and angel wings and Jesus washing his feet.

        What I find really interesting is the way Mike Johnson’s evil superpowers came to the fore after he was made speaker, but I can’t see them wanting to wash his feet either.

  17. Mesenchyme says:

    Thanks – that does explain a lot.

    A president has to be “on” much of the day, and one addicted to social media puts himself in the spotlight even more so.

    Does this syndrome more often lead to gradual disintegration or sudden collapse?

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