Scooter Libby, Still a Felon; the Unitary Executive, Still a Dubious Theory

I agree with the surmise of many that Libby dropped his appeal, partly, because the damn thing was getting expensive. And given this passage from Ted Wells’ statement on why they dropped the appeal, I also think Harriet Grant once again drove the decision-making process.

However, the realities were, that after five years of government service by Mr. Libby and several years of defending against this case, the burden on Mr. Libby and his young family of continuing to pursue his complete vindication are too great to ask them to bear.

Shorter Harriet: You’ve already sacrificed your law license, your children’s adolescence, and your pride for these thugs. Let it drop, please.

But I’m really curious by this part of Ted Wells’ statement:

Mr. Libby has made the decision to discontinue his appeal in recognition that success on the appeal would lead only to a retrial, a process that would last even beyond the two years of supervised release, cost millions of dollars more than the fine he has already paid, and entail many more hundreds of hours preparing for an all-consuming appeal and retrial.

Um, no, not really. Remember, there were two parts to Libby’s appeal. First, the claim that Judge Walton should have made Andrea Mitchell testify, so Wells could undercut her credibility and therefore suggest she had told Tim Russert of Valerie’s identity and Wells could argue that NBC was just out to get Scooter Libby.

Had Libby won that appeal, we would have had a retrial, with all the same witnesses and evidence, plus Mitchell. That’s it. And he probably still would have been found guilty, since David Addington still would have testified that Scooter Libby knew Joe Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA two days before, Libby claimed, he learned it from Russert "as if it were new."

The other grounds for appeal, though, was that Patrick Fitzgerald was not legally appointed under the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. Had Libby won that appeal, it might mean either he gets tried without any of the evidence discovered during Fitzgerald’s investigation. That means no testimony from Ari, Judy, Addington, or Cooper, and fewer of his own notes. So pretty much, his word to the FBI against Russert’s word to Eckenrode, and just one false statements charge. A pretty weak case, IMO. Or, it gets thrown out. Or, Mukasey asks Jeff Taylor to recreate the investigation. Had this appeal worked, it might have offered a great deal to Libby.

But I think they were afraid of losing a battle in the great war to build the unitary executive.

Consider the following passage from Charlie Savage’s book, describing the opposition to the Independent Counsel as a key doctrine of the Unitary Executive Theory.

Alito kept a close eye on developments of the Unitary Executive Theory, the Supreme Court’s 7-1 June 1988 ruling on the independent counsel case.

[snip]

He characterized the decision as an endorsement of a "congressional pilfering" of presidential power, and he embraced Scalia’s championing of the Unitary Executive Theory as a "brilliant but very lonely dissent."(270)

You see, if Scooter Libby’s appeal of his conviction based on the Appointments Clause of the Constitution had succeeded, it would make Special Counsel appointments like Patrick Fitzgerald’s illegal. And as soon as they brought in their appeals team, they began to look like crusaders for the Unitary Executive. Take this comment Libby’s snotty appeals lawyer made in the hearing on whether Libby should go right to jail.

Walton: But the law will require review of individual factors of each case and situation, and in the context of each case, Edmond versus Morrison, which fact situation is most applicable to this case. Edmond related to military and is not as clearly applicable. Also, re: Scalia, if we had a situation where the special counsel could be removed at will, this would have changed his position regarding Morrison.

Robbins: Well I doubt that since I was there when Scalia read his opinion. [my emphasis]

Robbins is referring to the same case Alito was–Morrison v. Olson. He’s saying that, in spite of the plain language reading of Scalia’s opinion,

If [an independent counsel] were removable at will by the Attorney General, then she would be subordinate to him and thus properly designated as inferior; but the Court essentially admits that she is not subordinate.

…He, Robbins, knows better, apparently from observing Scalia on the day he read the opinion. I would suggest Robbins was instead looking toward this passage to glean Scalia’s meaning:

It is, in other words, an additional advantage of the unitary Executive that it can achieve a more uniform application of the law. Perhaps that is not always achieved, but the mechanism to achieve it is there. The mini-Executive that is the independent counsel, however, operating in an area where so little is law and so much is discretion, is intentionally cut off from the unifying influence of the Justice Department, and from the perspective that multiple responsibilities provide. What would normally be regarded as a technical violation (there are no rules defining such things), may in his or her small world assume the proportions of an indictable offense. What would normally be regarded as an investigation that has reached the level of pursuing such picayune matters that it should be concluded, may to him or her be an investigation that ought to go on for another year. How frightening it must be to have your own independent counsel and staff appointed, with nothing else to do but to investigate you until investigation is no longer worthwhile – with whether it is worthwhile not depending upon what such judgments usually hinge on, competing responsibilities. And to have that counsel and staff decide, with no basis for comparison, whether what you have done is bad enough, willful enough, and provable enough, to warrant an indictment. How admirable the constitutional system that provides the means to avoid such a distortion. And how unfortunate the judicial decision that has permitted it.

And I would wager that Robbins believed that Scalia and his colleagues Alito, Roberts, and Thomas, at least, all Justices appointed since the Morrison decision, would rule that, in spite of the fact that Fitzgerald was reviewing perjury and obstruction of justice cases all the time in his day job as US Attorney, he had no basis of comparison to decide whether Libby’s lies were "bad enough, willful enough, and provable enough, to warrant an indictment." Or, to put it another way, I would bet there was the hope that with the changes in SCOTUS since Morrison v. Olson, they could do away with any independent investigation of the executive branch altogether. Dick Cheney’s wet dream–and his lackey would get to keep his law license!

But, as with all SCOTUS issues these days, there’s the delicate matter of Anthony Kennedy. Kennedy had just been installed on the Court when this case was heard–but he was not a part of the decision. Chief Justice Rehnquist had sided with the majority in Morrison; did they suspect that a real conservative would do so in Libby’s appeal? Or did Scalia just make it know that even the Unitary Executive theory doesn’t preclude investigations of the Executive?

I’m sure money was a part of it. But I rather suspect they also didn’t want to litigate this issue and lose just as a new Attorney General came to town with several investigations on his plate.

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  1. bmaz says:

    Eh, maybe. But, I don’t think it is that cut and dried. Irrespective of the level of influence the Administration has on Libby, the appeal is his personal right and concern. He may be willing to come or go as to the appeal to further their agenda; but not without a healthy concern for, and protection of, his own interests. At this point, those interests are manifested in two primary areas: one, he doesn’t want to be caught up in any more investigations in this case as a witness or defendant, and two, he wants his rights back. By dismissing the appeal, he becomes fair game for discovery again (assuming at least some limited immunity is offered as to any other Libby crimes to overcome his 5th assertion) and he gives up his only personal avenue to get his rights back. That being said, I read Libby’s willingness to dismiss his appeal as evidence he (they) is (are) convinced Fitz is done AND that his full pardon is guaranteed before Bush leaves office.

    • PetePierce says:

      “Robbins: Well I doubt that since I was there when Scalia read his opinion.” The amount of unbridled Chutzpah that is Robbins’ trademark makes me chuckle everytime I remember this comment to Walton. It reminds me of someone saying after disagreeing with an instant replay of a pass with a question of feet in bounds, “I was at the game buddy.”

      That being said, I read Libby’s willingness to dismiss his appeal as evidence he (they) is (are) convinced Fitz is done AND that his full pardon is guaranteed before Bush leaves office.

      I agree there–I’d be surprised if Bush doesn’t grant full pardon. Bush is the epitome of someone who has been labotomized. Bush, Cheney, and Addington simply don’t care anymore. If they haven’t literally rewritten the Constitution secretly, they might as well have. Fielding is out of energy to oppose them, and Mukasey is a #1 fan of Robbins’ “unitary executive” interpretation of the ‘hybridization’ of Morrison and Edmunds.

      A lot of strategy in the Bush administration besides that they just don’t care, is now based on the solid block on SCOTUS that includes Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts.

  2. hwmnbn says:

    Marcy,

    A very novice question. Can Scooter realistically be compelled to testify before Congress? Previous subpoenas have not been enforced, with no contempt of Congress action taken. Short of waterboarding, what could anyone do if he just clammed up and flat out refused to talk?

    That would be the his ultimate F.U. to the investigation and to the American people. Could he get away with that?

    BTW, thanks for keeping this reader informed and entertained since the Libby trial live-blogging adventure.

    • BooRadley says:

      FWIW, from a political, sound byte perspective, my position is and always has been that the Dems should subpoena Scooter. It’s win win for the Dems, whether he testifies or not. He looks terrible if he doesn’t, we get better information if he does.

  3. pinson says:

    I don’t know Marcy, I’m voting that Mrs. Libby told Irving that it was time to get their lives back in order, and that was that. The unitary executive thing is all very intriguing, but think about it. Irving is still living under the watchful eye of the federal penal system. His legal fund donors – like Fred Thompson – have moved on to other priorities and their money is going to more pressing causes. It looks to me that the Libbys realized that the people who fund the neocon enterprise no longer were interested in keeping this thing going. Also, think about how many administration people have bailed out over the past year or so. Dozens. And they’re all writing books and collecting fat speaking fees. If Irv is ever going to see a publishing contract out of this whole episode (maybe legal barriers to profiting from a crime apply here? not sure…) it ain’t going to happen while his appeal is tied up in court. Plus, dropping the appeal makes life uncomfortable for the administration, upping the ante on a full pardon.

    • emptywheel says:

      pinson

      I don’t disagree with any of that, as I thought I made clear in my post.

      But Wells’ characterization of what an appeal would give doesn’t make any sense to me. So this is one explanation.

      Frankly, I also think they knew they would probably lose the Mitchell appeal. If so, why go forward and risk losing both?

      • scribe says:

        The other explanation is that Wells, despite all the work which had been done on the appeal (they likely had long since drafted the brief and so on), knew that there was no level of appellate skill which could win on appeal and told his client so.

        While the ordinary criminal appealing his conviction would ordinarily have nothing to lose by appealing (one reason reversal rates on criminal defendants’ appeals are so abysmally low), beyond the money Scooter doesn’t have to appeal to get what he wants. He already has the Bushies over a barrel – all he has to do is open his mouth to put the screws to them. This so-far successful blackmail was the genesis of his commutation – not Georgie’s misplaced sense of loyalty. He is still able to blackmail them into the pardon he wants, and will get.

        In the meantime, it’s pheasant & quail eggs with the Perles and deep business discussions of Kurdish Oil deals in which he’ll get participation for minimal investment.

      • bmaz says:

        If so, why go forward and risk losing both?

        The only cogent reason from the get go was to keep him in a 5th Amendment posture that precluded taking discovery from him. This was pretty much confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt with the structure of Bush’s initial pardon effort (commutation). That is the part I find interesting here. They have either been informed, or have made a reasoned calculation, that Fitz is done (I wonder what their agreement is with the Democratic Leadersheep to no press this too).

      • pinson says:

        Didn’t mean to imply that you hadn’t covered the family angle! Just wanted to speculate about the “real” reasons for dropping the appeal.

    • BayStateLibrul says:

      “And they’re all writing books and collecting fat speaking fees. If Irv is ever going to see a publishing contract out of this whole episode (maybe legal barriers to profiting from a crime apply here? not sure…)”

      I suspect that Irv, in his spare time, has been writing some
      fictional chapters… don’t think he’ll be writing his memoirs though

    • Leen says:

      Absolutely fucking disgusting. These well connected folks who were part of the team that outed an undercover agent, undermined National Security, obstructed justice, committed perjury. Cheney and Bush avoided testifying under oath for their part in all of this. Libby is commuted, pardoned and the whole issue as Chris Matthews states “is shoved under the rug”

      This is complete and utter hogwash. The American people watch football players serve time for killing dogs, Micheal Byell of the Jena 6 do prison time (and had been charged as an adult), we have more people in our prisons who have robbed service stations (obviously not o.k.) doing life, people doing 20 years for the growing and sales of pot, and SCOOTER LIBBY AND THE OUT VALERIE PLAME TEAM WALK! How can anyone wonder why there is such deep dis-respect for the US “so-called” Justice system? This is not justice this is buying your time and gaming the system by the power elite.

      I am so tired of people inferring that Chris Matthews has just started being upset with the Bush criminals. He has been hammering hard for four years..give this dude some credit for getting it.

      Matthews with Isikoff on the Libby issue
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/

    • dakine01 says:

      1/24/2008 has been my bet all along and was my entry when Al Kamen set-up his Libby Pardon Game in his “In The Loop” column in the WaPo0. And the symmetry with his father’s pardons of Weinberger et al 12/24/1992.

  4. scribe says:

    But, we can still call him “Convicted felon”, “Convicted perjurer”, “Perjurer”, and “Liar” forever, without fear of defamation liability.

    And should. After all, what good are rights if you don’t exercise them?

  5. joanneleon says:

    Wouldn’t it also be risky for Scooter to be involved in a retrial that ended after Bush was no longer in office?

  6. earlofhuntingdon says:

    I agree that fear of losing the appeal – and having any adverse Circuit Court opinion on a topic dear to the Unitary Executive crowd – may have been as determinative as the high cost and the bane of continued, negative public scrutiny. “Costs” may also have been an issue for Wingnut contributors contemplating pleas for funds from dozens of likely GOP targets of prosecution.

    I surmise, too, that GOP election mavens want this to go away until after November ‘08. Between then and New Year’s, given the rush of the holidays and year end business, they won’t much care what happens. Libby’s pardon (which will remove the consequences of being a convicted felon) will likely be low on our list of worries.

    No risk that the White House will give up their views now that Lil’ Scoot has dropped his appeal. They’ll just think of another reason to avoid giving them, as if Scooter were the Iraq invasion.

    • Neil says:

      Libby’s pardon (which will remove the consequences of being a convicted felon)

      If they can make Libby whole with a pardon, why litigate it? While he may still be subject to civil damages if the Wilson’s civil suit reverses on appeal, he would not stand alone.

      There are many good reasons for not proceding with the appeal for many different parties. If in return, Libby was promised a pardon and financial support for a civil defense, wouldn’t most folks take that route?

      If a pardon has been promised, does the promise to pardon violate the law? obstruction of tortous claim?

  7. JimWhite says:

    EW,
    Have you considered the possibility that the new “courage” on the part of some folks within CIA, as documented in your earlier posts today, could have something to do with Libby’s decision? It seems possible to me that he either could have been warned overtly or could have figured out on his own that conditions at CIA have changed, and at any appeal it would be much more likely that information could have come to light describing the full extent of the damage to the covert side of CIA by his outing of Plame. Seems to me he suddenly has a lot more to be afraid of.
    Similarly, I can’t stop chuckling over how little sleep Addington will get over the next few weeks. He probably should be the most nervous person on the planet.

  8. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Does anyone know whether the beneficiary of a legal trust fund of the kind that’s paid for Libby’s legal costs can freely use funds that remain when all litigation is over? Just as formerly, remaining campaign contributions could be used without restriction by retiring Congress Critters. That would make for a tidy retirement account. BTW, which ReichWing institute employs Scooter now?

  9. emptywheel says:

    Oh, I took the following to be a nod toward the immunity issue:

    Mr. Libby and his family extend their heartfelt thanks to the tens of thousands of Americans who have supported them throughout this ordeal, and hope they will understand that today’s action reflects a painful and difficult decision.

    Shorter Ted: Sorry, BushCo, but Libby’s not prepared to keep playing fall guy.

    • scribe says:

      Like I said – blackmail for the pardon.

      You’d think Bushie and especially Deadeye would know – pay a blackmailer once, and he keeps coming back for more.

    • PetePierce says:

      Oh, I took the following to be a nod toward the immunity issue:

      Mr. Libby and his family extend their heartfelt thanks to the tens of thousands of Americans who have supported them throughout this ordeal, and hope they will understand that today’s action reflects a painful and difficult decision.

      Shorter Ted: Sorry, BushCo, but Libby’s not prepared to keep playing fall guy.

      Yes, I sure agree there.

  10. radiofreewill says:

    Maybe he’s dropping the appeal because he already knows Fitz’ papers are going to Waxman?

    He may soon have bigger problems than a perjury conviction and an angry wife on his hands…

      • looseheadprop says:

        I don’t think Fitz’ papers will hurt Libby much. We know everything about Libby already.

        Do we? We don’t know what Bush or Cheney said about “insta classification” (if anyting). We don’t know what they said about the meat grinder note (if Pat had that in his hands at the time of the interviews).
        We don’t know if anything Libby said contradicted anything Bush or Cheney said (Pat had zero incentive to put either one of them on the stand and every incentive for daring Wells to do it–implies to me maybe there was ammo for X-exam)?

        • emptywheel says:

          Meaning, I think Fitz’ papers will only help Libby, and hurt Bush and Cheney. The one area I’d love to get more detail on was about Libby and Cheney coordinating Libby’s story.

        • FrankProbst says:

          n response to emptywheel @ 24
          I don’t think Fitz’ papers will hurt Libby much. We know everything about Libby already.

          Do we? We don’t know what Bush or Cheney said about “insta classification” (if anyting). We don’t know what they said about the meat grinder note (if Pat had that in his hands at the time of the interviews).
          We don’t know if anything Libby said contradicted anything Bush or Cheney said (Pat had zero incentive to put either one of them on the stand and every incentive for daring Wells to do it–implies to me maybe there was ammo for X-exam)?

          I’m with LHP on this. I think Cheney’s interview is going to look pretty bad. If that’s the case, Libby is going to look like Darth Vader’s errand boy. I suspect that that wouldn’t go overlooked by the various appeals court judges.

          In addition, a lot of what we know (that Libby and Rove burned an undercover agent) really hasn’t sunk in with the MSM. They still think Libby got convicted for mixing his dates up.

          • Leen says:

            As a peasant I am completely disgusted with our “so called” justice system. This is the way it works, cat and mouse games, millions of dollars, no justice on very very serious issues. While we watch a football player go to jail for dog killing( not o.k.) the Jena 6’s Micheal Byell do time as an adult for beating the piss out of white kid, so many in jail for crimes that they were unable to get qualified legal counsel for.

            This Libby Plame outing Team, this unnecessary war in Iraq, millions dead and injured leaves me feeling more disgusted with my government than I have been since the Vietnam war. For a while Patrick Fitzgerald had me believing that “truth is the engine of our justice system”. No longer.

        • scribe says:

          Bashman, appellate maven, posits an interesting angle we in the fact-centric community may have overlooked: a successful appeal would likely vitiate the power of the commutation. I suppose this would be because a mandate of “reverse and remand for retrial” results in vacating the original judgment of conviction, and the commutation had to apply to a judgment. Since vacating a judgment means it’s like the judgment never existed, the commutation would be a nullity.

          And, on retrial, Scooter could be convicted and sentenced, all happening after the new president (likely not so inclined to commute that particular defendant) is in office and the one protected by the commutation was out.

          • BayStateLibrul says:

            Interesting.
            Certainly, after re-trial and if Libby lost again, (two time loser), they could “invoke the irrevocability” of a Presidential Commutation argument
            a/k/a The Decider Doctrine

            • bmaz says:

              There never would have been an actual retrial; a full pardon would be issued to prevent that. No way they were letting that show reprise itself.

  11. FrankProbst says:

    Random questions:

    Why today? Shouldn’t this have been dumped Friday at, oh, 5:15PM? That would have allowed Dana to say, “This is all old news, and the President has already addressed these questions.” Pure bullshit, of course, but the White House Press Corps would have probably let it go at that. Instead, she was caught flat-footed, and they’re pretty much obligated to ask her about it again tomorrow.

    Is this related to Waxman’s request for the Bush/Cheney transcripts?

    How much did Scottie’s book excerpt play into this? He’s tried to reverse himself since it came out by saying that he didn’t think Bush himself knew that Rove and Libby were involved in this. And Karl has said he’s been e-mailing Scottie recently, and there’s more to come. But it’s going to be a bit hard for Scottie to say that he doesn’t think that Rove and Libby knew that Rove and Libby were involved in this.

    Is Sealed v Sealed still out there?

    • bmaz says:

      “Why today” – I dunno, but why not today? This is the action of Libby’s private lawyers dismissing an appeal in a court of law, not a news dump by a governmental agency. The timing of this coming out may have significance, or it may not; but there is no reason to assume it automatically does.

      “Is this related to Waxman’s request” – Maybe, but again not necessarily. If anything, I would think that Waxman on the prowl would be cause for Libby to keep his 5th Amendment right against compelled testimony; not to give it up, so I don’t know that these two are linked.

      How much did Scottie’s book excerpt play into this?” – Little, if any, is my guess.

      “Is Sealed v. Sealed still out there?” – Last I heard, it had been removed from the public docket; but the great hopes for “Sealed v. Sealed” were never based upon much more than pipe dreams as far as we know; to the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence it ever was related to Libby/Plame in the first place.

      • FrankProbst says:

        “Why today” – I dunno, but why not today? This is the action of Libby’s private lawyers dismissing an appeal in a court of law, not a news dump by a governmental agency. The timing of this coming out may have significance, or it may not; but there is no reason to assume it automatically does.

        I disagree. This was a news dump by Libby’s legal team, which is funded by a large number of Republican donors. Libby himself is well aware of the need to spin the media. It is, after all, what got him into this mess in the first place. This should have been dumped on Friday afternoon. That’s Spin 101. I’m surprised that it came out on a Monday morning. I’m even more surprised that Dana Perino didn’t have some sort of prepared statement for it. (”This case is now closed, and we aren’t going to discuss it anymore.”)

  12. FrankProbst says:

    BTW, I still harbor the unlikely fantasy that Libby’s wife said, “Look, you’re either going to march your ass in there and cut a deal, or you’re going to go to divorce court as a convicted felon. Take your pick.”

  13. MadDog says:

    My take on Well’s announcement on the Libby “appeal”:

    There was never any intent to “appeal” Libby’s conviction after he received the commutation. This was merely the “last” PR juice that Well’s could squeeze from the Libby lemon.

    I’m even willing to bet that Libby himself would rather that Well’s not even bring the subject up, but that Well’s wanted to “grandstand” one more time and also to chase potential ambulances yet-to-be-named future Administration felons in-waiting and remind them of his availability.

  14. radiofreewill says:

    EW at 24

    Rats!

    I guess a perjury conviction and an angry wife is bad enough, but I still think those interviews and 302s are likely to make Libby look even worse, in addition to highlighting Bush and Cheney’s central role in the Leak to Judy, and looking a lot like a Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice, featuring the all-too-willing martyr-with-a-Pardon-for-the-Agenda, Scooter Libby.

    At the heart of BushCo’s argument here, once all the compartmentalization-screens have been pulled down, is again the same thing under-pinning their argument for Warrantless Wire-tapping of Citizens, and Torture and every other extra-and-illegal thing they’ve done – Whitehouse’s Three Operating Principles of the UE enumerated in the previous threads.

    When it all comes down to it, imho, arguing the Appointments Clause over Fitz leads to Judicial Review of the same Legal Reasoning that BushCo used to operate Systematic Torture Programs, Warrantless Domestic Surveillance on US and to make unprecedented claims of Privilege that have the effect of blocking Criminal investigations into the Executive.

    If Criminality by the Executive can be shown, and with what we know already about the Secret Mission, it’s going to be nearly impossible not to conclude Criminal Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice – just think of all that film footage of Bush demonizing ‘leakers’ in his Adminstration – Why go to the Courts to test a Dubious Theory? Why not Impeach?

    Bush is the Leaker. Bush put the USA’s on the List. Bush ordered Torture. Bush ordered teh Program to Spy on US, in certain conditions, at the level of Suspicion, not Probable Cause. Bush is the War-monger. Bush is a Liar.

    Any Theory that would seek to ‘justify’ Bush’s behavior is worse than dubious – it’s Magical Thinking that puts Bush and his designates Above the Law and Immune from All Moral Transgressions in a Country founded on the Equal Application of the Rule of Law.

    We don’t need a Court to tell US that Bush has lost Our Faith and Trust – Those three principles of the UE are Abhorrent to anyone who has ever been Abused by the Powerful – We’ve already been given by the Founders a Remedy for this Constitutional ill.

    If the Executive blocks a Criminal Investigation, We should Impeach.

  15. emptywheel says:

    Frank

    As I said, he had a deadline to submit his appeal by tomorrow. They might have just let it slip without telling anyone, but announcing it at least allows them to apologise to Libby’s screaming fans for not fighting to the bitter end.

    • bmaz says:

      Right. I should have explained better. My point was simply that, other than possibly giving a heads up etc., the timing was driven by lawyers/legal timeframe; not PR considerations.

    • FrankProbst says:

      Frank

      As I said, he had a deadline to submit his appeal by tomorrow. They might have just let it slip without telling anyone, but announcing it at least allows them to apologise to Libby’s screaming fans for not fighting to the bitter end.

      EW: I get that the deadline’s tomorrow. I just don’t get why they didn’t announce it last Friday. They had to know this would get SOME press coverage, and they should have suspected that even our lethargic MSM might ask Perino about it. It just seems weird to me that this would come out on a Monday morning.

  16. Neil says:

    Waxman on the prowl would be cause for Libby to keep his 5th Amendment right against compelled testimony; not to give it up,

    bmaz

    How does passing on the appeal deadline affect Libby’s 5th amendment rights?

    • bmaz says:

      How does passing on the appeal deadline affect Libby’s 5th amendment rights?

      You don’t have a 5th Amendment right to not incriminate yourself as to charges and surrounding circumstances that have been litigated to a final conclusion/conviction. As long as Libby was on appeal, there was no final judgment in the case, and since retrial was a possible outcome of the appeal, he maintained his 5th Amendment rights. That is why there could be no full pardon, only commutation, until Bush was ready to leave office (at which point the deal had to be done because they sure wouldn’t trust any successor administration to pardon Scoots).

      • Neil says:

        Thanks. So by aborting the appeal, Libby exposes himself to questioning, say by Congress, about all the facts asurounding the event? Isn’t this a big roll of the dice for BushCo? Maybe this is the other side of the deal for a pardon, “I can’t recall” testimony.

        • bmaz says:

          There are a lot of factors that impact the answer to that question, but suffice it to say that it makes the questioning of Libby in any forum a WHOLE lot less problematic. This decision did not get made just for financial grounds, that is for sure. The lionshare of the research and briefing had been done already; given access to all of the work product, one attorney by himself could put together a reply brief and go do the oral argument. Hell, his wife could do it if so motivated. To be honest, assuming the one attorney put their best effort into it (even his wife hypothetically) I am not even sure that there would be any material drop off in quality of work product at this point.

        • MadDog says:

          Thanks. So by aborting the appeal, Libby exposes himself to questioning, say by Congress, about all the facts asurounding the event? Isn’t this a big roll of the dice for BushCo? Maybe this is the other side of the deal for a pardon, “I can’t recall” testimony.

          IANAL, so FWIW and YMMV. *g*

          I would hazard a guess that Scoots still could stand on his 5th Amendment right not to testify before a Congressional inquiry. On the fact that he may have more self-incriminating stuff that might come out if he were to testify.

          He has never “admitted” guilt, and I suspect his legal beagles sitting along side him would strongly recommend this approach.

          I’m sure bmaz, lhp, mary or other of our fine legal eagles here would be happy to show me the error of my ways. *g*

          • bmaz says:

            Yeah, I dunno Mad Dogs. There are limits to the protective umbrella of the 5th in any given specific situation. There are an awful lot of facts and circumstances that are wholly within the charges and circumstances he was at bar on; with that case finalized, there is an awful lot that could be opened up. As to anything further, they then simply have to offer limited use immunity, same as with any other involved witness.

            • MadDog says:

              I mostly understand and agree with your comment, but that Scoots and his attorney’s could attempt 5th Amendment protection in the face of a Congressional inquiry, and thereby stall answering sufficiently to run out the clock on this Administration while the “stall” was being adjudicated.

              And of course, Junya delivers the last-hour pardon on the way out the door.

              I wait with interest whether any Congresscritter provides an invite to Scoots in the near future.

              • FrankProbst says:

                I don’t think that would work. They could give him use immunity pretty easily, so such a stall wouldn’t last very long.

                • MadDog says:

                  I don’t think that would work. They could give him use immunity pretty easily, so such a stall wouldn’t last very long.

                  Yes, I agree that use immunity is now more viable now that the appeal process is off the table. Absent that, Scoots ain’t gonna make testifying easy.

                  I still wait for the first Congresscritter to take up the challenge.

                • MadDog says:

                  More thoughts on Scoots and Congressional inquiries.

                  Methinks that if any Congresscritter attempted to subpoena Scoots to testify, Scoots would refuse to show up.

                  And given this Administration policy of not enforcing Congressional subpoenas, would again refuse to the same wrt Scoots. Maybe particularly wrt Scoots, he of the “knows where the bodies are buried” in Deadeye’s EOVP.

                  • BooRadley says:

                    I’d still like to see the Dems do it. After Cluster*uck Bush commuted his sentence, on what grounds does he refuse to testify? The landscape changed after the commutation and this puts a spotlight on it.

  17. Caitin says:

    I think it comes down to Tucker Carlson’s Dad isn’t cutting anymore checks to pay Ted.

    Libby has a cushy think tank job and Harriet Grant still has her law license so they can pay for their kids college.

  18. MadDog says:

    EW, OT but did you see this comment by QuakerGirl on Jane’s latest post:

    OT – Washington Mutual just announced it is laying off 3100 employees and closing 22% of their loan offices. That usually means the salaried employees. Nice, right at the holidays. Why is it always at the holidays? This means the other financial institutions are doing the same. It’s the working stiff who gets it in the gut.

  19. PetePierce says:

    Scoots will never testify before Congress, nor will Cheney, Addington, Miers, Bolten, Card or anyone else in the Bush posse. Most of them will write books full of grandfathered vapid, meaningless language for six figured amounts and some of them won’t break even.

    Congress lacks the balls to do anything whatsoever, Democrats or Republicans, and certainly has no way to enforce their subpoenas against the Bush homeboys and homegirls on the street. Theoretically don’t matter here; it ain’t gonna happen period.

    I guess Dana Peroxide’s minor in Political Science at Colorado State University-Pueblo blithely skipped over the Cuban Missle crisis and the History 101 requirmeent for Mass Communications majors blew it off as well.

    I’d like to see Dana on one of those J-Leno on the Street sound bytes. Dana’s Press conferences have become an extension of “Are you smarter than a fifth grader”–and if you have a kid near the fifth grade, hopefully she isn’t.

  20. Mauimom says:

    I’m liking the part involving the crocodile tears and the “fine he already paid.” Yup, wrote a check on that Carlson Family Support Scooter account.

    Does anyone believe this drivel? Oh yeah, they do. Lots of ‘em. And many work in the “media.”