What They Didn’t Want McDevitt To Talk About…

Man, the documents released in the Oversight Document Dump will really make you queasy. They include:

Here’s a post on why the documents are astounding, wrt the Plame investigation. And here’s my liveblog on there hearing.

In the hearing there was quite a spat over whether Waxman could introduce the interrogatory above into the record (led by the inimitable Darrel Issa). In spite of the fact that they had spent an hour and the half on the phone with McDevitt, Republicans complained that they hadn’t had a chance to cross-examine him.

Here’s Tom Davis’ complaint about Waxman’s motion to enter the interrogatories.

McDevitt responded to interrogatories, he replied with 25 pages of answers. We spoke with McDevitt on Sunday afternoon. Reluctant to give testimony on the record. Our staff made it clear we want to examine him on the record. Personal investment in various technologies. We remain skeptical of the content of his interrogatories.

But Waxman pointed out that the reason McDevitt was unwilling to testify was because the White House had very sharply limited his testimony.

Waxman: Jan 30, McDevitt, scheduled interview, WH contacted him, told him not to discuss with the committee. McDevitt emailed, based on WH, there’s practically nothing I’m authorized to discuss. Given limitations placed by WH Counsel, he said it didn’t make sense to come in for interview. Majority and Minority sent him questions. He responded in writing. WH had chance to review those answers, cleared them without redactions. AFTER they got the answers, minority wanted to speak with him in person. Majority went to some length to accommodate them. Sunday night, Minority and Majority called to see whether he would come in for deposition. Answered 1.5 hours of questions from Minority. Minority now says it’s unfair to use any information bc they didn’t get oppty to question him. If Minority has a beef with anyone, it should be WH Counsel’s office.

In other words, Fred Fielding tried his damndest to prevent McDevitt from giving detailed testimony.

Which is why the areas of his interrogatory that hint at what the White House doesn’t want him to testify about are so interesting. McDevitt begins to get squirrely about answering questions when they ask him about meetings he had with Harriet Miers.

27. The Committee understands that you and John Straub met with White House Counsel Harriet Miers to discuss issues related to e-mail preservation. Did you discuss youranalysis at this meeting? Please describe when this meeting occurred, the agenda for the meeting, and your recollection of what was discussed.

I participated in a number of meetings in December 2005 and January and February 2006. Some of these meetings included White House Counsel Harriet Miers and members of her staff. These meetings also included other White House management and OA Counsel staff. Given the nature of these discussions, I will defer to the current White House staff to characterize these meetings.

Now McDevitt said in arranging testimony that he couldn’t say what needed to be said given the limitations the White House made on his testimony. While I understand the contents of meetings with Miers (and I’m wondering who those other "White House management" types were–Chief of Staff Andy Card?) might be considered deliberative, I do wonder what was said at those meetings–not least because the topic of turning over evidence to Patrick Fitzgerald had to have been an issue of discussion in November 2005.

What about those Plame-related missing emails?

Which makes McDevitt’s involvement in the recovery of those emails rather interesting. He was part of the team that originally tried to restore the emails.

This plan was prepared by the OCIO staff and presented to White House Counsel. I do not recall the specific details of this plan. A number of the activities identified in the plan were undertaken and to the best of my recollection, the email from the period in question was never recovered. I worked with OA Counsel and White House Counsel on efforts to provide an explanation to the Special Prosecutor. This included providing a briefing to the Special Prosecutor’s staff on this subject.

As part of this search, McDevitt was party to an email exchange describing how to recover the emails.

The Committee was provided with an e-mail exchange between you and Susan Crippen, with copies to Jaime Borrego and Wiltiam Reynolds that attached an *Exchange MST Activity Plan" dated November 28,2005 and updated on JanuarA 20,2006. The attached plan states: "The following outlines the planned activities to recover Oflice of Vice President e-mail from the target period of September 30, 2003 to October 6, 2003." Was this search relevant to the Special Prosecutor’s investigation? Why was this period targeted? What was the role of each of the individuals on this e-mail with regard to the activity plan?

Yes, the attempt to recover these email was in response to the search associated with the Special Prosecutor’ s investigation.

That email exchange made it clear that the recovery of the OVP emails was inadequate.

According to this document, even after restoring backup tapes, the White House team was unable to find any joumal files or .pst files for the Vice President’s office during this period. The team’s first effort involved restoring from the backup tape of the file servers that were used to store .pst filed during the target period." This search uncovered "no messages … that filled the gap." The team next restored from the backup tape the "server that contained the joumal mailboxes for the target period." According to the document, the’Journal mailboxes were examined and no messages for the target period were present in thejournal mailbox."83 The team then restored from the backup tape the personal mailboxes of officials in the Vice President’s office and recovered messàges from 70 individual users.

McDevitt reveals that he was not involved in what he calls a "parallel" attempt to restore the OVP emails.

There was a parallel effort to attempt to recover all ernail from this period. The results of this effort were the 250 pages of email. However, I was not directly involved in this process and am unable to provide any details relating to the 250 pages of email.

Which is curious, because a document describing the results of that search–the one that supposedly fulfilled the Fitzgerald requests for email during the period when OVP was covering up their leak of Valerie Plame’s identity–was shown to the Committee, but not given to them.

According to a document dated just four days later that was shown to Committee staff, but not provided to them, the White House team recovercd 17,956 e-mails from these individual mailboxes on the backup tape and used these as their basis to search for e-mails responsive to the Special Counsel’s request.

It sure makes you wonder whether McDevitt has more to say about the search for missing White House emails? Besides the fact that the seach cannot be considered comprehensive.

And just as a reminder, the emails that were turned over were printed off of David Addington’s computer.

Don’t tell the National Archives about our missing emails!

The White House also clearly gagged McDevitt to prevent him to reveal to the National Archives the extent of the missing emails.

30, Did the White House ever inform the National Archives of the results of your analysis? If so, when was this done? If not, did you or any others recommend that this be done?

During my employment with the EOP, I do not recall if anyone at NARA was informed about these issues. Sometime during the Summer of 2006, I was directed by the CIO that I was not allowed to discuss the potential email retention issues and the analysis that was performed by OCIO with the NARA staff. I was to inform any NARA staff who contacted me about these issues to direct all inquires about email records management to White House Counsel and White House Records Management.

During my employment at the EOP, I worked closely with NARA staff on a number of issues related to records management. I had established good working relationships with them. I received a number of inquiries from them and in each case I redirected their inquires to the White House. I was very clear to them that I was directed not to share information with them.

As this bit of timeline included in the Committee report makes clear–by gagging McDevitt, the White Houes prevented National Archives from learning about the missing emails for a year and a half!

February 2, 2006: News accounts reported that the Special Counsel investigating the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson discovered gaps in the process by which the White House archived its e-mails.3a In response to these reports, two officials from the National Archives spoke to Jenny Brosnahan in White House Counsel’s office. The Archives officials told Ms. Brosnahan that if presidential records were destroyed, "they should let the archivist know because under the PRA they are supposed to inform the Archivist before any disposal of record.""

February 6, 2006: Counsel for the White House Office of Administration spoke to the General Counsel of the National Archives. The OA Counsel told the Archives Counsel that the White House "believed that the emails existed and could be accounted for."36 This does not appear to have been an accurate assertion. As discussed in part III, an internal White House analysis in 2005 had shown that there were hundreds of days in which e-mails appeared to be missing from components of the Executive Office of the
President.

February 6, 2007: Officials from the National Archives met with offrcials from the White House’s office of the Chief Information Officer to "discuss NARA’s need for knowledge of OA electronic email and other electronic systems managed by 04."37 According to the chronology of White House meetings developed by Archives staff, at this meeting, the White House officials gave "no indication that there is a problem with any missing emails."38

Probably not incidentally, this covered the time period when the White House decided to scrap the replacement system that McDevitt had all but implemented (which had been ready to go live on April 21, 2006).

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  1. Helen says:

    Well here is what I believe to be some encouraging news. The AP released a wire story about the Waxman hearings at 6:44 tonight. And my internet provider (Road Runner) actually posted it as a “Top Story” on their main page. I’m kinda stunned and real pleased that it’s been picked up.

    Here’s ths first 3 paragraphs:

    By PETE YOST – Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON(AP) A computer expert who worked at the White House provided the first inside look at its e-mail system Tuesday, calling it a “primitive” setup that created a high risk that data would be lost.

    Steven McDevitt’s written statements, placed on the public record at a congressional hearing, asserted that a study by White House technical staff in October 2005 turned up an estimated 1,000 days on which e-mail was missing.

    Two federal laws require electronic messages to be preserved.

    • BooRadley says:

      Speak of the devil
      Fawn Hall Gets Booked

      For the old farts who remember the Iran-Contra scandal, you’re probably wondering where Oliver North’s trusty secretary Fawn Hall ended up. Wonder no more … Fawn doesn’t shred paper anymore — she sells it! TMZ spotted her working at trendy Book Soup in West Hollywood. Finally, she knows fact from fiction.

      Hall was married to Danny Sugerman, former manager of the Doors, until his death in 2005. She was in rehab during the mid-90s for an addiction to crack cocaine.

      OfT, but one of the points the GOP scored against Bubba’s stewardship of national security, was that he had phone sex talked with Lewinsky over unsecured phone lines. Understandably the GOP hammered that this opened Bubba up to international blackmail.

      As Rayne and many others have pointed out, the WH emails were clearly unsecured. Rove and the GOP were desperate to keep these emails hidden. This leaves the GOP completely exposed on national security. Instead of as per usual ceding the national security issue to the GOP, I certainly hope the Democrats will start to attack. Even Rove can’t blame Democrats for unsecured WH emails sent/stored on RNC servers.

  2. bmaz says:

    Don’t tell the National Archives about our missing emails!

    The White House also clearly gagged McDevitt to prevent him to reveal to the National Archives the extent of the missing emails.

    30, Did the White House ever inform the National Archives of the results of your analysis? If so, when was this done? If not, did you or any others recommend that this be done?

    During my employment with the EOP, I do not recall if anyone at NARA was informed about these issues. Sometime during the Summer of 2006, I was directed by the CIO that I was not allowed to discuss the potential email retention issues and the analysis that was performed by OCIO with the NARA staff. I was to inform any NARA staff who contacted me about these issues to direct all inquires about email records management to White House Counsel and White House Records Management.

    During my employment at the EOP, I worked closely with NARA staff on a number of issues related to records management. I had established good working relationships with them. I received a number of inquiries from them and in each case I redirected their inquires to the White House. I was very clear to them that I was directed not to share information with them.

    Picture testimony, formally submitted to Congress by a Nixon White House insider, in position to know, producing a statement that he has reviewed and certified and that was ratified for authenticity and veracity by the critical White House Legal Eagles, delineating the order to cover up and conceal Rosemary woods’ intentional destruction of the 18 minutes.

      • bmaz says:

        Am I missing something here, because those questions, which almost answer themselves, and what I alluded to, comprise the only reasonable inference under the circumstances. This guy needs to be split off from the hive. And NOW. Set the move up right, and I just don’t see how you get EP to cloak him. I’ll grant it as to the contents of any emails etc. he saw, but not the ministerial acts of his job. Tack on to that that what is being described are intentional acts in contravention of statutory law.

          • bmaz says:

            You bet. Lets get on with it. And not just him. You can’t win if you don’t play. Our fearless crapping in their pants leaders have darn near a spotless track record for diddling around until all momentum and sense of the moment is lost, and then tacking into the smallest wind. By that I mean they take after a smaller fry and then get frustrated and scared off when all the peas have been shifted under some other pod; or they go after the big fry, but weakly, get nowhere and then get scared off. Start going in loaded for bear, subpoena all of them, put their feet to the fire and when the obstruction comes (hell, it did long ago) say enough is enough and fastrack impeachment proceedings. Enough is enough. They should be embracing impeachment and viscerally shaming the Republicans into embracing it too or placing them in the public laughing stocks for the duplicitous corrupt fools they are.

            • phred says:

              It does seem to me that the oversight hearings largely haul in the bigger fish, who sit there suffering from various degrees of amnesia. It is high time to bring in the junior personnel, every last one and ask them specifically how they went about doing their jobs. That should prove pretty illuminating.

              • bmaz says:

                In a real investigation, you bring them all in, up and down the chain you are attacking, line em up, and grill them one by one, separated from the others so there is as little cross contamination as possible, and grill them. Then you plot your second round of assault accordingly from what you got in round one. You know, kind of like Fitzpatrick did. This ain’t rocket science.

                • phred says:

                  Fine by me : )

                  But who starts the grilling? Waxman’s committee? Sounds to me like a job for a prosecutor, but since DoJ isn’t interested in White-House-Collar crime, we would need a special prosecutor, oh right, but that’s not an option either. So the committee then? Would that be problematic for future prosecutions, once the rule of law returns from its holiday?

                  • bmaz says:

                    Hey, the House dudes were able to act like criminal prosecutors pretty effectively for Roger Clemens. Threaten to subpoena everybody pertinent, and if they don’t agree to come voluntarily, actually subpoena them. Then make them sit for depositions with investigators/lawyers before their show testimony. See, just not all that hard. Ever seen an impeachment investigation? Can make it work real efficiently actually.

                    EW @51 – Are you nuts? I did inhale. Anyway, I live in Shadegg’s district, and he just broke Brett Favre’s record for shortest retirement. I can’t even imagine being on the House floor; I would have to whack Boehner and similar twits upside the head. Probably get arrested on the spot….

                    • phred says:

                      But I thought you disapproved of the Clemens’ Congressional Show Trial, at least in part because it would taint any criminal or civil proceeding that might follow.

                      As for impeachment, well, you are already well aware that I think that is way way overdue.

                      By the way, doesn’t Shadegg have some looming legal problems of his own? Maybe he and Renzi have been passing each other notes “I’ll stay if you will” or “my crimes are way better than your crimes”, that kind of thing ; )

                    • bmaz says:

                      Ah, but there is a viable criminal forum completely appropriate and avialable for Clemens; due to the circumstances we find ourselves in with the DOJ and the nature of the offenses being indigenous to the White House, there really is not in the instant matter.

                    • phred says:

                      Excellent point. Time to start calling Waxman and asking him to interview EVERYONE working on IT in the WH…

                    • Minnesotachuck says:

                      Yeah, but some old fart playing a kids’ game while using steroids is important, unlike the Constitution and the Law.

                  • bobschacht says:

                    “What, you’re running to replace Renzi all of a sudden?”

                    Heh. If you do, I’ve got a bunch of DFA friends up in Flagstaff who might help.

                    Bob in HI

    • MadDog says:

      …White House Legal EaglesBeagles…

      A suggested correction. Eagles are the good guys. Beagles are the bad guys.

      No offense intended to any Beagles, some of which I might be related to. *g*

  3. LS says:

    I love this, from the “additional documents”:

    “There is no “dedicated” archive location. Emails have been stored in various
    locations.

    Storage locations are created whenever there is available space, at the direction of the operator.

    Searches of email in response to statutory requirements may not be complete,
    creating legal and political risk”

    Heh, heh….

  4. Mnemosyne says:

    Following the discussions on inadequate email system, and that now missing emails can’t be “found,” I am wondering (pause while adjusting tinfoil chapeau) if this is possible: Given that this administation clearly had plans from Day 1 to do lots of nasty things and generally trash the government, might they have set up a bad computer system *deliberately*?

    IT folks, would this have been fairly easy to do at the beginning, or early on, to dumb down the system(s) in use?

    They must have known about the rules and regs for preserving emails, but if the system didn’t do that, why then, it wasn’t their fault!

    • behindthefall says:

      Following the discussions on inadequate email system, and that now missing emails can’t be “found,” I am wondering (pause while adjusting tinfoil chapeau) if this is possible: Given that this administation clearly had plans from Day 1 to do lots of nasty things and generally trash the government, might they have set up a bad computer system *deliberately*?

      You can bet (at least I would so bet) that the OVP made it an early priority to be sure that the system would scoff at legal requirements for history and preservation. Certainly one way to do that is to put in a system so loosy-goosy that nobody’s quite sure where anything is at any time.

      The problem with not letting all your sheep be kept in a well-defined pen, though, is that it makes defending against wolves much more difficult. I wonder if they have realized that their system was breached and compromised repeatedly.

      • bobschacht says:

        The problem with not letting all your sheep be kept in a well-defined pen, though, is that it makes defending against wolves much more difficult. I wonder if they have realized that their system was breached and compromised repeatedly.

        So, does this mean that Vladimir Putin knows more about White House internal communications than Henry Waxman?

        Bob in HI

        • behindthefall says:

          Only for starters, I’d guess. Probably spookshops around the world have been passing out the “read White House emails” assignment to summer students for the last 5 or 6 years. /only-half-snarky

        • Hmmm says:

          So, does this mean that Vladimir Putin knows more about White House internal communications than Henry Waxman?

          Putin, Israel, DOD, CIA, AT&T… anything’s possible with security as nonexistent as what we’re discovering. All depends on what other networks it’s been possible to access from within the EOP offices. If public internet, then it’s really really bad.

        • JimWhite says:

          So, does this mean that Vladimir Putin knows more about White House internal communications than Henry Waxman?

          George looked into Vlad’s soul and Vlad looked into George’s inbox.

    • MadDog says:

      Following the discussions on inadequate email system, and that now missing emails can’t be “found,” I am wondering (pause while adjusting tinfoil chapeau) if this is possible: Given that this administation clearly had plans from Day 1 to do lots of nasty things and generally trash the government, might they have set up a bad computer system *deliberately*?

      Given Deadeye’s hands-on view of Watergate, I’d place this in the Highly Probable category.

      Deadeye learned well from Watergate (well to his ends, not ours).

      He learned that the 21st Century’s counterpart to Tricky Dick’s taping system was Email, and he had his Rose Mary Woods IT plan to ensure that there were a whole helluva lot more than 18 minutes of dead air.

      This was by design. By evil design!

      • bobschacht says:

        Deadeye learned well from Watergate (well to his ends, not ours).

        He learned that the 21st Century’s counterpart to Tricky Dick’s taping system was Email, and he had his Rose Mary Woods IT plan to ensure that there were a whole helluva lot more than 18 minutes of dead air.

        This was by design. By evil design!

        I.e., it wasn’t a flaw, it was a feature?

        Bob in HI

        • Hmmm says:

          I.e., it wasn’t a flaw, it was a feature?

          That’s what I proposed a thread or two ago. Far too out of line with any competent IT practice to be merely coincidental. And far too conducive to coverup of wrongdoing.

      • GulfCoastPirate says:

        You folks move so fast it’s hard to keep up with all this while working.

        Let me see if I have this correct – the government has requirements for record retention for legal, archival, historical purposes but the government doesn’t have a dedicated IT staff that manages all this no matter who is elected? We put cronies in charge?

        I must be missing something. How is this possible?

        • MadDog says:

          Let me see if I have this correct – the government has requirements for record retention for legal, archival, historical purposes but the government doesn’t have a dedicated IT staff that manages all this no matter who is elected? We put cronies in charge?

          My take is that the White House Office of Administration was indeed a non-partisan, dedicated IT shop until Junya and Deadeye showed up.

          They had plans! Tweren’t gonna be any Watergating of their rule.

          I wonder if Steven McDevitt was the only IT staffer who jumped ship in disgust from the deliberate sabotage employed by this Administration.

          And as all of us know, the move to push non-believers out doesn’t have to be overt. Covert works jest fine!

          • GulfCoastPirate says:

            MadDog wrote:

            ‘I wonder if Steven McDevitt was the only IT staffer who jumped ship in disgust from the deliberate sabotage employed by this Administration.’

            That can’t be. It had to be a good sized operation and the odds are against all of them but him being corrupt. It just boggles the mind. One can only imagine what is going to come out if the Democrats take over and they keep the heat on.

  5. MadDog says:

    EW, per your ruminations on who else was in the Harriet Miers meets, I would put David Addington at the top of my list.

    Correct me if I’m wrong (as if you wouldn’t *g*), but hasn’t David Addington been Deputy White House Counsel since the start of this Administration?

    By that I mean, wasn’t David Addington the real White House Shyster-in-Chief all these long years while various puppets like Fredo and Harriet dangled from his strings?

    It sure seems like all the real power flowed from and to the OVP.

    • emptywheel says:

      YOu’re wrong, wrt the title. HIs title then was Counsel to VP, with no formal role in the WHCO office (Deputy was people like Tim Flanigan). But you’re right that Addington may have been there.

      Though why go, and risk smirking when you learn the true extent of your work!!

      • MadDog says:

        Dagnabbit! I swear that I read that David Addington was and is Deputy White House Counsel somewhere authoritative.

        I jumped over to Wiki, but alas no findee.

        Must’ve been a figment of my imagination nightmare. *g*

          • MadDog says:

            MadOgs – could you be confusing with Libby, who did hold dual roles?

            Yes, I am probably confused (a most common occurence *g*). Now that you mention it, it was Libby all along.

            And thanks for that special salutation again! I still get a kick out of it.

  6. phred says:

    The fact that McDevitt “was not allowed to discuss the potential email retention issues” obliterates the “oopsie” defense that the WH has been trying to use. There is plenty of damning info here, but that is the most damning in my view.

  7. MadDog says:

    OBTW, I just wanted to give a shout out to Melanie Sloan and her crew over at CREW who’s website this afternoon was apparently the 1st to drop these fantastic bombshells in our greedy little hands.

    Yay Melanie!

    I hope the folks at CREW stop by and take a bow!

  8. LS says:

    “The Exchange server that contained the OVP mailboxes for the target period was restored from a backup that was performed on l0/2l/2003. OA … Resources produced a list of active OVP staff for the target period. This list was reviewed and confirmed by OVP.
    The Exchange server that contained the OVP mailboxes was restored. This was from a backup that was performed on lO/21/2003. The email from the target period was extracted from each of the 70 OVP mailboxes and copied to a -PST file.”

    ??

    • bobschacht says:

      “The Exchange server that contained the OVP mailboxes for the target period was restored from a backup that was performed on l0/2l/2003. OA … Resources produced a list of active OVP staff for the target period. This list was reviewed and confirmed by OVP.
      The Exchange server that contained the OVP mailboxes was restored. This was from a backup that was performed on lO/21/2003. The email from the target period was extracted from each of the 70 OVP mailboxes and copied to a -PST file.”

      Hey-hey-hey–
      Is this the first formal listing evah! about the OVP’s staff? 70 mailboxes?
      Boo-Haa! Go get’em, Henry!!! Follow that scent!!!

      Bob in HI

  9. chisholm1 says:

    Oh wow, I am going to Book Soup on Saturday to pick up a birthday present that’s on hold for me. I will be on Full Fawn Alert.

  10. WilliamOckham says:

    A few things that are obvious now:

    1. The White House political types made all the decisions about the email archiving process, often overruling the techies.

    2. There was a coverup of the problems and that suggests a crime.

    3. Payton made a series of decisions that are technically, logically, and morally indefensible. I’ll leave it to the lawyers to decide if they were legally defensible.

    • bmaz says:

      1) Yes

      2) Yes!

      3) No, not at all really. However, she may have at least a partial defense by pointing the finger at some higher authority. At this point I don’t think that could totally remove her from culpability, but it might could mitigate it. This was the implication of my comment @4 above though, this really appears to have the breadth of the Watergate conspiracy, because it cannot be just Payton, there are multiple players in the chain going upwards. If the facts are as they appear, and you were a lawyer making a closing argument, you draw an anology that is absolutely devastating. And Watergate still resonates just fine with the majority of the public that currently needs to be argued to.

    • emptywheel says:

      Well said. Agree with every point. I’d add one:

      Payton’s sole goal has been to stall the total reconstruction of emails–and so far, she’s been doing a superb job.

  11. kspena says:

    I suspect there was a set of practices to insure secrecy that this administration intended to implement when they came into office. As I remember, bush quickly slapped a fifty-year quarintine on his father’s papers. A unitary presidency (king) requires that the free flow of information on which a democracy depends must be ‘cut’.

  12. bmaz says:

    I gotta say, I still think Hillary has better depth and points on these issues (Obama is closing the gap nicely though), but she is killing herself with her overbearing and catty presentation. She is toast.

    • FrankProbst says:

      I gotta say, I still think Hillary has better depth and points on these issues (Obama is closing the gap nicely though), but she is killing herself with her overbearing and catty presentation. She is toast.

      Her campaign over the last week or two has been an enormous turnoff to me. When she got booed for her “Xerox” comment, that should have been a big wake-up call for her. She missed it completely. Instead, she’s gotten more negative and sarcastic. A month ago, I was in the “I’d be happy with either of them” camp (though I preferred Obama). Now, I just want her to go away.

      • bmaz says:

        I kind of agree about that. The tenor of the discourse against her has been really abhorrent i will say, and especially over the period you cite, but she has not dealt with it well. It turned so maudlin, so fast, i don’t know what the right way could have been, but she sure didn’t find it. She is toast.

    • GulfCoastPirate says:

      She was toast because she’s a Clinton and I can’t be the only one in this country who is sick of Clintons and Bushes.

  13. JohnLopresti says:

    I would imagine Huachuca sent a few signalCorps folks to populate some of the activeDuty seats at WH; and some of them may have wondered about the topology of putting emails offsite. Additionally, McDevitt’s interrog replies list Boeing and Lockheed for various parts of wh IT, besides MZM. I wonder of Waxman has subpoenaed the enterprise architecture documentation from ocio including the first mzm contract in spring 2002, and from dod the mzm contract beginning autumn2002 plus amendments. Clearly Fielding and Miers are not going to be responsive to more congressional investigating. I would compare the enterprise architecture as approved in ocio with industry standards at the time. I would expect it’s being possible to find images of headers from the few emails erased which might have had no tampering in the text; especially since the mesh was multinet, multiserver. The lady with the sparkly necklace jewelry which appeared in a shape of a familiar symbol at todays’ hearing, I believe the same one referenced in this thread, rambled on about costs and time, her illustration was a BillC email restore project, I believe, which consumed 2 years and cost $50.MM; one interesting condition she described was the lack of an available $500.k blank unused server to use to archive the restoration from disaster tapes. Evidently during the BillC impeachment and Starr investigation some similar work had to be done by wh ocio. These dollar amounts are likely small change in a multithousand seat net in the wh. I also saw Unisys on the vendor list, for the overruled project to install the McDevitt desired archiving email system ecrms; since their part of the migration was the one squelched, they might have some explicit information about specifics of the topology their redesign would have upgraded. I remain uncertain whether a long ago discussion in a nearby thread surmised that if .pst then no server at all would have a copy of an email; rather, at that time, other possibilities such as these and others come to mind, given the innovativenes of messaging networks topologies early in the millenium.

  14. FrankProbst says:

    Legal question: What happens if Congress wants someone’s testimony, the White House invokes executive privilege, and the witness decides that they want to show up and testify anyway?

    • bmaz says:

      Privilege belongs to the holder, which in this case would be the executive. My recollection is that it gets complicated, and that is why such things are usually resolved by agreement, but the Executive basically can stop the testimony pending a judicial determination, usually on a contempt citation.

        • bmaz says:

          To the best of my knowledge, only to a limited extent and generally that is usually in terms of his official records; but I am not totally sure about that.

        • BayStateLibrul says:

          //On January 20, 2009 when Bush is no longer the Executive, does the privilege still apply?//

          Place your bets, he’ll be granted retroactive “Ad vitam aeternam”
          privilege

    • bmaz says:

      According to this article, it is murkier than I thought, but if the Executive forcefully asserts the privilege, bottom line is the testimony probably isn’t happening without court determination and order.

  15. Minnesotachuck says:

    bush quickly slapped a fifty-year quarintine on his father’s papers.

    Question for you legal types: Can this be unquarantined by a subsequent president’s executive order? Or by Congressional legislation?

    • freepatriot says:

      Question for you legal types: Can this be unquarantined by a subsequent president’s executive order? Or by Congressional legislation?

      you better believe it can

      long term thinking isn’t george’s strong suit …

    • Sara says:

      With reference to the question — can a future Prez or congress change the rules regarding Presidential Libraries — absolutely. The Professional Historians have written legislation which I believe has passed the House, that would do just that. There has been a huge lobby effort on this going back to when Bush first executive ordered his rules, rules that conflict with the language of the Presidential Records Act. Apparently it faces a filibuster in the Senate, and a promised Prez veto, so decision was made not to push it just yet. You know the Historians Lobby is not really all that high powered, and flush with campaign money. And all too many folk have a prejudice against History, having had bad experiences with it in their K-12 years.

    • emptywheel says:

      I’ve tried to imagine who this person was for months, seeing the data that came forward (though I’m not convinced he’s CREW’s source). But I was most surpised that he is still a govt employee–at FEMA, of all places.

      I also can’t imagine how old he is–perhaps he’s close to retirement? He’s a G-15 last count.

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