If Videos of Feeding Can Be Used as Propaganda, You’re Doing It Wrong
Unsurprisingly, the government has just appealed Gladys Kessler’s order that it release the videos of Abu Wa’el Dhiab. h/t Josh Gerstein
DOJ cited a number of reasons why releasing videos of US service members feeding a indefinitely detained prisoner who had been cleared for released years earlier. But one of them is the propaganda to which our adversaries might use such videos.
(4) use of the videos in propaganda by entities hostile to the United States;
Apparently, if the rest of the world saw how we fed our indefinitely detained prisoners, they would start bombing us.
But honest, DOJ says, it’s not torture and it’s not punitive.
Update, from an affidavit submitted by Rear Admiral Sinclair Harris. (h/t Ryan Reilly)
There is little doubt that ISIL would use imagery from Guantanamo Bay to further encourage its supporters and followers to attack military and government personnel.
He likens releasing these videos to the release of Marines pissing on corpses and news of the US burning Qurans.
He explains if AQAP got it, they might use it to support a recent claim made in Inspire claiming, “America has lost the most important element of global leadership: morals and principles.”
Their argument here contradicts their arguments in the NSA situation, to wit, if you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide. Imagine that, the government talking out of both sides of its mouth.
Hey Marcy, take a coffee break. You’re typing too fast.
That should be Rear Admiral, and I think America has lost its morals and principles.
The real reason for withholding these films is always that it will embarrass some thin-skinned DC insiders and make the US Gov look bad. It will most likely not tell the terrorists anything new.
Guilty as charged. Thanks.
One reason the USofA used to condemn torture and mistreatment of prisoners was the idea of reciprocity, taking the high road and being on the side of the angels. Those ideals sure went the way of the Dodo along with strong leadership honor and strength of character.
Morals and Principles? America is not an independent entity but rather a wholly owned subsidiary of the uber wealthy and they have no capacity for morals or principles.
Perfect summary of USA woes ewe are morally bankrupt and are leading the world off the cliff. A great of the problems. We hide so much of what what we do as it is shameful. Thanks for the sunshine Marcy.
Chelsea Manning went to prison for releasing a video of a US helicopter crew gunning down photogs in Iraq because it could be used as propaganda by entities hostile to the United States, and his minders didn’t want any more truth released.
So truth can be propaganda in the wrong hands, which is why we rarely get the truth from the government. Or the mainstream media, any more, which is why blogs are important.
If the US government wasn’t torturing people, and killing civilians overseas, and collecting all the communications they could, they wouldn’t have so many people mad at them.
Maybe they should think about how the rule of law applies to them, too.
And maybe we’ll all get sparkly rainbow flying unicorns fore Christmas.
Now, Ferguson is thinking of indicting Michael Brown’s stepfather for inciting a riot after the no-bill decision was announced. My God – in how many ways is this wrong? The raw desire of the state to suppress those it dislikes. I don’t know more what to say.
Loss of freedom to travel w/o worry.
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So we’re all Canadians, right? Except they aren’t so pure any more either.
So should we cancel our flight on Malaysian Air? Make sure we get the armored limo when we land at Heathrow in our GS-5?
P.S. Canadians are now just CorpUSA north.
Five and a half years ago, Obama stood in the National Archives and gave a speech against torture and repeating his desire to close Gitmo, and yet simultaneously approving of indefinite detention without charges, trial, or appeal — right in front of the Declaration of Independence which cites this as one of the grievances the colonies held against King George III.
In the opening section of the speech, he said this about torture:
In the immortal words of Nixon’s press secretary, Ron Ziegler, the DOJ court filing here means that these presidential words from five and a half years ago are now apparently “no longer operative.”
Heckuva job, folks. Heckuva job.
Peterr, another example that leads me to believe the President has 2 contradictory personalities. Don’t know how else to explain the dissonance.
The lawyers and other miscreants may be trying to provide reasons on a policy which has been established to avoid Article 16 of the Convention against Torture:
The Committee against Torture has expressed its dismay that the US has refused to adhere to this article here.
In Obama’s foreword to the National Security Strategy: “In all that we do, we will advocate for and advance the basic rights upon which our Nation was founded, and which peoples of every race and region have made their own.”
And the NSS itself states: (excerpts)
“The rule of law—and our capacity to enforce it—advances our national security and strengthens our leadership. At home, fidelity to our laws and support for our law enforcement community safeguards American citizens and interests, while protecting and advancing our values.
“Legal Aspects of Countering Terrorism: The increased risk of terrorism necessitates a capacity to detain and interrogate suspected violent extremists, but that framework must align with our laws to be effective and sustainable. When we are able, we will prosecute terrorists in Federal courts or in reformed military commissions that are fair, legitimate, and effective. For detainees who cannot be prosecuted—but pose a danger to the American people—we must have clear, defensible, and lawful standards. We must have fair procedures and a thorough process of periodic review, so that any prolonged detention is carefully evaluated and justified. And keeping with our Constitutional system, it will be subject to checks and balances. The goal is an approach that can be sustained by future Administrations, with support from both political parties and all three branches of government.
“Uphold the Rule of Law: The rule of law—and our capacity to enforce it—advances our national security and strengthens our leadership. At home, fidelity to our laws and support for our law enforcement community safeguards American citizens and interests, while protecting and advancing our values. Around the globe, it allows us to hold actors accountable, while supporting both international security and the stability of the global economy. America’s commitment to the rule of law is fundamental to our efforts to build an international order that is capable of confronting the emerging challenges of the 21st century.”
The president lacks character, period.
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