Judge Stringer Bell: Emil Bove Confirms Erez Reuveni’s Allegation that He Tried to Avoid Paper Trails

Emil Bove presented the appearance of a calm collected guy in his confirmation hearing. And Republicans made especially clear they intend to push through Donald Trump’s defense attorney to be Donald Trump’s Circuit Court Judge in New Jersey, where Trump owns a property implicated in one case Bove defended him on.

For much of the hearing, Bove dodged questions successfully, claiming at times he couldn’t answer because something he did at DOJ was not public, claiming at other times that discussing things that are political — like who won the 2020 election!! — would violate the Judicial Canon.

But at the end, Adam Schiff cornered him. Schiff asked whether he said the “fuck you” comment reported in the Erez Reuveni allegation (which Todd Blanche denied happened).

Bove responded that he could not recall (just as he could not recall how many Jan6 prosecutors he had fired or how many Jan6 criminals had been pardoned). But he didn’t deny he said it. “I certainly emphasized the importance of the upcoming operation.”

Schiff asked that the Committee get the notes of that meeting.

Then Schiff turned to Danielle Sassoon’s allegations about Bove’s demand for a quid pro quo for Eric Adams.

Schiff: Let me ask about notes from another meeting which you’re contesting here, and that is the meeting over the decision to dismiss the case — the corruption case — in New York against the Mayor of New York.According to Ms. Sassoon, the US Attorney at the time, during the meeting with Adams’ attorneys, where, she described, um, Adams’ attorneys repeatedly what amounted to a quid pro quo, that you admonished one of the lawyers in the room to stop taking notes. Is that true?

Bove: I don’t believe I instructed that attorney to stop taking notes. I did remark on the fact that he was taking extensive notes. Yes.

Schiff: Why did it concern you that he was taking notes of the meeting?

Bove: Because at that point of the meeting, we were discussing who was responsible for media leaks and I was making the point that only prosecutors had created an extensive record that could support detailed leaks.

Schiff: And you were concerned, were you, that information about this, this, potential quid pro quo might become public? Was that the concern?

Bove: I’ve explained that there was no quid pro quo.

Schiff; Will you provide the notes of that meeting, which you, according to the US Attorney, instructed be collected a the end of the meeting?

Bove: I think a member of my staff may have given that instruction outside my presence. And I defer to the Committee and the Executive Branch on records requests and how they should be handled.

Pam Bondi had, by that point, joined Todd Blanche in overseeing the confirmation hearing for their hatchet man. So Schiff asked that the Committee (Ashley Moody was in the chair) request Bondi and Blanche to make those notes available.

Moody refused.

So Bove dodged that moment, sort of.

But in doing so, Bove confirmed something more substantive from the Reuveni complaint.

Reuveni describes that on March 29, as he was struggling to communicate the scope of an injunction to DHS in the DVD case (the one SCOTUS ruled on Monday), he was affirmatively instructed to stop putting guidance into writing.

Separately, Mr. Reuveni contacted Ensign by phone, who informed him that the head of ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations had been given “verbal” notice of the injunction, but again, no written guidance had been disseminated to the agency. Sometime after this call, during the mid-to-late afternoon, Ensign informed Mr. Reuveni by phone that it would be advisable to stop sending emails with many recipients, including Percival, concerning the injunction compliance guidance.41

[snip]

Thereafter, Mr. Reuveni spoke twice with Ensign on the phone between approximately 11:00 a.m. and noon, during which time Ensign told Mr. Reuveni that “leadership” had concluded and directed that no injunction compliance guidance would be issued. Ensign also again told Mr. Reuveni that he should no longer contact DHS asking about guidance.42 Mr. Reuveni informed Ensign that plaintiffs’ counsel had notified OIL attorneys that their class member clients were being or had been prepared for removal, and without further information this appeared to be a violation ofthe injunction. Ensign made comments to the effect that he agreed with Mr. Reuveni, acknowledged the decisions were not ideal and would make it harder to win cases, and stated that he was not a decision maker in these circumstances.

41 The Department ofJustice’s implementation ofrestrictions on communications may be in violation of 5 U.S.C. 2302(b)(13).

42 The Department ofJustice’s implementation ofrestrictions on communications may be in violation of 5 U.S.C. 2302(b)(13). [my emphasis]

Two days later, he got the same instruction, this time explicitly on Bove’s orders.

On April 1, Mr. Reuveni was again told to stop asking questions. Mr. Reuveni received phone call from Acting AAG Roth in which Roth relayed that Bove was very unhappy that Mr. Reuveni had contacted counsel at various agencies to ascertain whether DOJ had violated court order Roth conveyed that Mr. Reuveni should stop emailing agency counsel on the matter to instead communicate by phone only where possible.46 Mr. Reuveni understood this instruction to be based on leadership’s aim to avoid generating written material subject to disclosure through FOIA.

46 The Department of Justice’s implementation of restrictions on communications may be in violation of 5 U.S.C. 2302 b 13). [my emphasis]

The same thing happened on following days in the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case: He was specifically asked to stop putting things  — most notably, his questions about whether there was any basis for claims that KAG had ties to MS-13 — in writing.

DOJ leadership never did. Instead, on several occasions on April 2 and 3 through both phone calls and email, Mr. Reuveni was directed by McHenry, through Roth and Ensign, to cease making requests of DHS and DOS, to stop asking for facts supporting any possible defense ofthe case, that no “asks” of El Salvador of any sort should be made, and to rest on threshold jurisdictional arguments at the hearing.48

48 The Department ofJustice’s implementation ofrestrictions on communications may be in violation of 5 U.S.C. 2302(b)(13).

This refusal to send out an order about an injunction is also how DOJ dealt with the first injunctions on the attacks on law firms.

Sure: Absent the paper trail being in the hands of the Committee, Bove claims not to remember any of this.

But he confirmed something consistent with Reuveni’s complaint.

He doesn’t like paper trails of his criminal conspiracies.

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    • ExRacerX says:

      Agreed. It’s at least in the top 5.

      And the contents illustrate Marcy’s always impressive adeptness at reading between the lines, connecting the dots, and getting to the heart of the matter.

    • Baltimark says:

      The Executive Inn — where the New Day Co-op met — is six blocks from my rowhome. And someday I’m gonna get a small grant to get a damn plaque up there on Rt. 40; it’ll need some asterisks, but so be it.

  1. harpie says:

    Yes, this was a major theme I noticed while reading the letter…differentiating which communications, with whom, and when, were phone calls or emails.

    I also noticed that there are three redactions [2 in the text and one in a footnote], all in the section about that 3/14/25 meeting. All of them state:

    [19 and 20] This clause is redacted because it is not clear that an exception to the lawyer’s duty of confidentiality applies here.

    At the meeting Bove indicated to those in attendance that the AEA proclamation would soon be signed and that one or more planes containing individuals subject to the AEA would be taking off over the weekend – meaning Saturday, March15 and Sunday, March16. Bove did not provide further details and [redacted]19 Bove indicated [redacted]20 and stressed to all in attendance that the planes needed to take off no matter what.

    [Footnote]21 Mr.Reuveni left the meeting with this impression because [redacted]. This clause is redacted because it is not clear that an exception to the lawyer’s duty of confidentiality applies here.

    • harpie says:

      Oooops! Missed one kind of important section. I’ll be right back with that. ACCKK!!

      [coninuting directly from “no matter what”] Bove then made a remark concerning the possibility that a court order would enjoin those removals before they could be effectuated. Bove stated that DOJ would need to consider telling the courts “fuck you” and ignore any such court order. Mr.Reuveni perceived that others in the room looked stunned, and he observed awkward,nervous glances among people in the room. Silence over took the room. Mr.Reuveni and others were quickly ushered out of the room. Not with standing Bove’s directive, Mr.Reuveni left the meeting understanding that DOJ would tell DHS to follow all court orders.21

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        “…Mr. Reuveni left the meeting with the understanding that DOJ would tell DHS to follow all court orders.”

        Huh?!? This seems confusing and contradictory. How could Reuveni leave with that “understanding” when Mr. DOJ himself (Bove) had just blatantly expressed otherwise? Was this Reuveni wishcasting? Or had some other DOJ official contradicted Bove? The only one above him would be Bondi, and I didn’t think she was present.

        • Fancy Chicken says:

          I thought the same thing.

          Did Reuveni think Bove was just talking smack when he said that and being 15 years in the DOJ was just practicing the presumption of regularity expected by our court system?

          Hopefully we get more light on this incredibly important meeting.

        • harpie says:

          To GdB and FC: Might it have something to do with those redactions?

          This clause is redacted because it is not clear that an exception to the lawyer’s duty of confidentiality applies here.

  2. Peterr says:

    He doesn’t like paper trails of his criminal conspiracies.

    Sounds like he’s Trump’s kind of lawyer (“Why are you taking notes? Roy Cohn never took notes!”) , and thus worthy of being nominated to the Federal Bench.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Careful govt lawyers tend to prefer good paper trails, because part of their job is to institutionalize govt responses to particular problems that work, and avoid those those that don’t. They value repeatability and economy of effort over reinventing the wheel.

      The criminal defense firm of Bondi, Blanche & Bove, though, continues to defend Trump personally and as president. They know how often he screws up. A paper trail to them is just documenting their and their client’s crimes and incompetence.

      • harpie says:

        If I were as creative as some here, I might try writing

        The Ballad of Bondi, Blanche & Bove

        to the tune of The Addams Family theme song.

        • Savage Librarian says:

          Bondi, Blanche & Bove

          It’s Bondi, Blanche & Bove
          Imperious and Rove-y
          Deliberately cozy
          What happens: Tragedy

          In-house is no good reason
          For Constitutional depletion
          Addicted to their seizin’
          What happens: Tragedy

          Cheat
          Bleat
          Browbeat

          It’s time to call foul ball on
          the lies that they recall on
          Tear down their wherewithal on
          What happens: Tragedy

          It’s Bondi, Blanche & Bove
          Imperious and Rove-y
          Deliberately cozy
          What happens: Tragedy

          Stained
          Disdained
          What happens: Tragedy

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          No sooner had you issued that challenge, harpie, but the exact creative person we know you were thinking of accepted!

          Thanks to both of you for a great collaboration! Y’all should should consider marketing your talents to Hollywood…they need you.

        • harpie says:

          LOL! SL!!! This is fabulous!
          What a treat! Thank you. :-)

          Cheat
          Bleat
          Browbeat
          What happens: Tragedy

  3. Thequickbrownfox says:

    These people are as slippery as eels, and, so far, nobody has found a way to pin them down.

    • P J Evans says:

      Eels get speared or caught in traps, where they can be dealt with more easily.
      I wish the politicians who are *not* supporting the eels would learn this.

    • harpie says:

      This is about the J6 and Eric Adams cases.

      […] A judge is supposed to apply the law in a fair and evenhanded manner. Bove asked us to base a prosecutorial decision not on the facts, not the law, but on a political calculation.
      Bove cannot be trusted to be impartial on the Court of Appeals.

      [Written] Stop Emil Bove’s nomination.
      Call your Senators.
      Justice Connection.

  4. Jim Luther says:

    Don’t write anything you can say on the phone, don’t say anything on the phone that you can say in person, don’t say anything in person that you can say with a nod, don’t say anything with a nod that you can say with a glance.

  5. Fancy Chicken says:

    So, Drew Ensign.

    I recognize his name from the Billy Barr days I swear. And of course I assumed it was from here. So I did a search here and only got two hits. This post and one about April 15th when Reuveni was put on leave for balking at the argument DOJ was proposing and Ensign had to go to court .

    But man, I KNOW this guy was in the clockwork of DOJ fuckery under Barr.

    Going to see what I can find out about this guy, but does anyone else remember him?

  6. gmokegmoke says:

    There’s another reference in that clip which is germane, when Prop Joe says,
    “For a cold-ass crew of gangsters you all carried it like Republicans and shit.”

    But then it’s now difficult to tell a cold-ass gangster from a Republican, isn’t it?

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