The Virgin Birth of the Epstein Book Story
The WSJ and Donald Trump are telling different versions of the genesis of the story on Trump’s birthday letter to Jeffrey Epstein. But both are hiding the timeline of how the story came together.
As Trump’s “Statement of Facts” in his frivolous lawsuit claims, Joe Palazzolo sent Karoline Leavitt an email alerting her WSJ was going to publish.
12. On July 15, 2025, Palazzolo sent an email to White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt advising of Dow Jones’ intent to publish an article which discussed a purported letter sent by President Trump to Epstein for Epstein’s fiftieth birthday.
WSJ says that one or both of them actually interviewed Trump during the evening on July 15 (it doesn’t describe the circumstances of the interview), and in that interview the President told [the Journal] he was going to sue.
In an interview with the Journal on Tuesday evening, Trump denied writing the letter or drawing the picture. “This is not me. This is a fake thing. It’s a fake Wall Street Journal story,” he said.
“I never wrote a picture in my life. I don’t draw pictures of women,” he said. “It’s not my language. It’s not my words.”
He told the Journal he was preparing to file a lawsuit if it published an article. “I’m gonna sue The Wall Street Journal just like I sued everyone else,” he said. [my emphasis]
In a Truth Social post published shortly after the story, Trump claimed (using the passive voice) that Murdoch “personally, [was] warned directly by President Donald J. Trump” and that Karoline Leavitt warned Emma Tucker.
The Wall Street Journal, and Rupert Murdoch, personally, were warned directly by President Donald J. Trump that the supposed letter they printed by President Trump to Epstein was a FAKE and, if they print it, they will be sued. Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so. The Editor of The Wall Street Journal, Emma Tucker, was told directly by Karoline Leavitt, and by President Trump, that the letter was a FAKE, but Emma Tucker didn’t want to hear that.
None of those conversations appear in the lawsuit (nor is Tucker included in the suit, though CEO Robert Thomson, whom Trump claims was also “put on notice” is). It says that, seemingly in response to in response to Palazzolo’s email and “that same afternoon,” some unnamed counsel (Alejandro Brito, who filed the suit? someone at the White House? he doesn’t say) sent an email warning that the “claim[] that President Trump authored the purported letter … was false.”
13. That same afternoon, counsel for President Trump sent an email to Defendants advising that the intended article was false in claiming that President Trump authored the purported letter, which he did not, and further warned Dow Jones to cease and desist from publishing, disseminating, or otherwise distributing such information, because it was false and defamatory.
14. None of the Defendants responded to the email. [my emphasis]
Trump doesn’t quote this email. But the claim the email refutes — that Trump “authored” the email — is not what the story says at all. It says this:
[Ghislaine Maxwell] turned to Epstein’s family and friends [for birthday emails]. One of them was Donald Trump.
[snip]
The letter [bears] Trump’s name
[snip]
It isn’t clear how the letter with Trump’s signature was prepared.
A non-existent claim that Trump authored the email is by no means the only thing in the lawsuit Trump makes up.
Mind you, this lawsuit, like the ones against CBS and ABC (the others that Trump boasted about having sued), is only ostensibly about factual claims. It’s really about power. As he said in a Truth Social post after filing the lawsuit, this is about “[holding] to account.”
We have proudly held to account ABC and George [Stephanopoulos], CBS and 60 Minutes, The Fake Pulitzer Prizes, and many others who deal in, and push, disgusting LIES, and even FRAUD, to the American People.
I have noted that Trump may be less interested in threatening News Corp with regulatory consequences than ABC and CBS; after all, he relies on the dominance of the Fox News bubble. But unless we’re misunderstanding this lawsuit (and we may well be), his goal is to force Rupert Murdoch to sit for a deposition or, in Murdoch’s attempt attempt to avoid that, to extort millions of dollars as tribute.
But to understand whether that would ever happen, it would help to know some more background that either side is revealing. Just as one example, was early reporting on this story the reason why Trump so feebly asked “Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein” on July 8, a full week before the Tuesday exchanges about the truth of the story.
WSJ takes credit for the panic Trump expressed on July 16 — the day when, we now know, he knew the story was coming but we only knew rumors.
Earlier this week, after the Journal sought comment from the president about the letter, Trump told reporters at the White House that he believed some Epstein files were “made up” by former Presidents Barack Obama and Joe Biden and former FBI Director James Comey.
He said that releasing any more Epstein files would be up to Attorney General Pam Bondi. “Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release,” Trump said.
But they don’t take credit for the very similar panic Trump expressed on July 12, the first time he attempted to slot the Epstein scandal in next to other things he falsely claims are hoaxes.
15. Instead, on July 17, 2025, Defendants published, or caused the publishing of, the article authored by Defendants Safdar and Palazzolo titled “Jeffrey Epstein’s Friends Sent Him Bawdy Letters for a 50th Birthday Album. One was from Donald Trump” (the “Article”).
Something put Trump entirely off his game before July 8 and it’s not yet clear whether he has resumed it with Tulsi’s conspiracy theories or not.
It’s not clear whether this story spooked him, or this story came about by the circumstances that spooked him a few weeks earlier (though it is clear that a story like this would take some time to fact check).
It’s not even clear whether Trump has a Jeffrey Epstein problem, or a far more pressing Ghislaine Maxwell problem.
Update: Ben Wittes’ thoughts about why Trump might be suing mirror my own. But as I said, I think the obvious answers may not be the correct ones.
A second possibility is that the story is true, but that Trump thinks—like Wilde and Hiss did—that it can’t be proven true. So he thinks he can use the litigation to intimidate the press and raise doubts about the truth of the allegations. This was a dangerous move for Wilde and Hiss, and it’s a dangerous move for Trump too. The discovery process never flatters a man like Trump; there are a lot of people who know things about his relationship with Epstein; and there are undoubtedly other documents out there as well that reflect on it. Creating a formal legal process in which Trump has to provide materials to an opposing litigant and answer questions about those materials is a profoundly risky game.
Possibility number three—which I suspect is the most likely one—is that the story is true and the litigation is just for show. Trump knows he can’t afford discovery. He also knows his suit has no merit. So while he gets a news splash out of filing the lawsuit, he will then—as he did with the Des Moines Register poll suit—quietly drop it sometime down the road, before the discovery can actually do him any harm. This way, he gets much of the intimidation benefit of the suit. He costs News Corp. some money. But he doesn’t put much at risk.
A final possibility is that Trump hasn’t really considered the risks at all; he’s just rage-suing. Rage-suing is somewhat like rage-tweeting, except that it involves lawyers. With rage-tweeting, public relations people and policy folks clean up the damage after the fact. In the case of rage-suing, lawyers do so—assuming they can. If this is what’s going on here, Trump could dig himself into a real hole. He could get a judge who doesn’t look kindly on this sort of thing. He could end up having to turn over a lot of documents. He could end up having to testify under oath, the very thing that got Clinton into trouble.
It will never make to discovery. It’s the attention. Each and every day he comes up with a new SHOUT! to make us look away while he pillages the treasury. Sigh.
I’m not convinced you’re paying attention or understand what’s really going on. Epstein is Trump’s Achilles’ heel with his base and as long as Trump’s relationship with a child sex abuser and trafficker remain unresolved, Trump’s grip on power is at risk.
Trump clearly is losing control over the right-wing media ecosphere when Murdoch-owned WSJ isn’t folding up its reporting or settling, while the podcasting manosphere continues to back away from Trump.
You want him out of the Treasury? Then his base needs to be persuaded he must go — and his Epstein exposure is the one scandal his base finds untenable. In the mean time, quit whining and spouting demoralizatsiya.
^^^ This!!! Well stated.
The day Trump drops the lawsuit, it will be on the front page of the WSJ and other media outlets as well. The WSJ will not let this disappear quietly,
Trump effectively serves at the pleasure of Rupert Murdoch. I don’t think he’s capable of surviving it if Fox turns against him, and WSJ is being used to remind Trump what can happen if he fails to remain useful.
That’s a scary idea: the ancient immigrant Murdoch and his spawn having that much power.
My guess he won’t just drop it. He’ll create enough flack that they cut a deal. He forces people to the brink by doing dirty things that no one predicts he will do. He’ll dig up dirt on Murdoch or create dirt and then force a deal.
Then he doesn’t surrender but he reinforces his control. Hope I am wrong but in a perfect authoritarian world that’s how he would do it. Everybody who tangles with Trump gets dirty or ends up pushed to lengths they didn’t see coming. Then they look bad.
Just my hunch.
I agree with Rayne on this one, if for no other reason than Rupert has the ability to countersue or seek discovery as a defendant. Convict-1 is not able to completely wall off inquiries as long as this pro se (meaning it was filed as the plaintiff acting as his own lawyer) suit is not dismissed with prejudice.
I could see Rupert hitting with a counterclaim if this suit continues and demanding proof of that the 10 billion dollars be documented and itemized. And, Rupert would also be able to haul his adversary in to testify why he felt defamed as a public figure. IIRC, that last point is important, because a public figure has to prove intentional malice because they’re ‘out there’ by their own choice (though IANAL).
Knowing Trump, there is probably one detail wrong in the WSJ article that he is latching onto to make the whole story be discounted and made to go away and be able to run a victory lap.
Or, going with Occam’s Razor, he’s lying.
It’s not pro-se. Counsel of record is Brito, PLLC. That appears to be one guy and three associates in Coral Gables, FL.
He may not be able to drop the suit later. WSJ could answer with a counterclaim about damage to their reputation by his very public out-of-court allegations of lying. He can drop his claim unilaterally, but he can’t drop theirs.
If it gets to the Supremes, they’ll rule he has immunity.
Come on. There’s enough nonsense proliferating, don’t push more.
SCOTUS decision said POTUS has immunity for official acts. Anything related to his exposure with regard to Epstein is not within his official acts, especially whatever he did before he was POTUS which was what WSJ reported on.
Frankly, if WSJ and other media outlets had done their work on Epstein all along, Trump might never have become POTUS to begin with.
My opinion, fwiw, is it’s both that Trump thinks it can’t be proven and it’s rage suing. The rage is clouding his judgement. Also, too, what else is he going to do but sue. He’s got to hit hard. It’s Murdoch, it’s Fox, wow, imagine everyday, all day, the constant talking and scream-talking about Trump the possible pedophile and digging super deep into the Trump Epstein bro-mance with photographs and eyewitnesses! This is Murdoch’s happy place.
I would LOVE to know what the Murdochs have in their clutches on Trump-Epstein. It must be solid if they’re willing to play chicken with the guy they propped up and took a 3/4 billion dollar hit for in the Dominion lawsuit since that defamation was intended to support Trump.
I share your wonder about what really lies hidden beneath the turbid puddle of orange flop sweat at trump’s feet.
I would love to know what Murdoch’s game is here. He’s playing both sides. No-Epstein-allowed Fox vs. WSJ. Is he just playing to each audience for profits?
I wonder the very same.
There has not been one Epstein peep at Fox since Trump commanded silence on Esptein. That was last Wednedsy the 16th.
Bludgeon Trump with WSJ and play nice with Trump at Fox News? That’s kinda schizophrenic.
Fox is one thing, but is there really much marginal profit to be had by the WSJ for slagging Trump? I don’t see hundreds of thousands of present non-subscribers jumping on board just for this and web adverts are paywalled and don’t generate THAT MUCH profit anyway. I might at least consider entertaining the notion if WSJ was a cable network but I just don’t think the WSJ new pages’ posture on Trump moves the needle much on WSJ profits either way.
If someone comes to reporter X with a tip on a story like this, they are going to follow up. No editor will tell them not to follow up because the reporter could leverage the story to publish in another outlet. So once that ball starts rolling, momentum virtually guarantees it will get published.
To squelch it, Murdoch would have to deploy NDAs and money, and what if the tip-receiving reporter decides to quit rather than sign an NDA? And money is seldom the only motivator for good reporters. Not only that, but as other posters have pointed out, supporting Trump over Dominion cost Murdoch big time, so it’s possible the Rupert decided that he had nothing to lose by publishing, time to remind Trump that “you’re not the boss of me” and/or enjoy watching him squirm.
The letter itself strongly suggests that Trump and Epstein shared a secret related to sex, that is, it’s red-meat for the Q-Anon crowd who helped to elect Trump last November. They are not going to stop talking about this, no matter what files or GJ materials get released.
I agree with Rick Wilson that Murdoch is cutting Trump loose, and intends to bring him down because he’s too much of a liability for the conservative cause. Here’s the quote Marcy posted above from Trump’s TS rant about it:
“The Wall Street Journal, and Rupert Murdoch, personally, were warned directly by President Donald J. Trump that the supposed letter they printed by President Trump to Epstein was a FAKE and, if they print it, they will be sued. Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so.”
Lol, as they say. Murdoch probably could have spiked that story. And there’s more shoes to drop, like this one from last night:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/epstein-accuser-recounts-trump-s-late-night-visit-to-epstein-s-office/vi-AA1J1HAN
Remember that name, Maria Farmer. She’s an art specialist who was hired by Epstein to help him acquire good art. It’s not a long interview, and it’s timely as hell. She describes a creepy interaction she had with Trump late one night in Epstein’s mansion, where Trump mistook her for a 16 yo girl who was waiting for him in an adjacent room. She also talks about how she’s been trying for years to get LE to listen to her, to no avail. She also says Epstein considered Trump his best friend at the time.
I think Murdoch knows much more about all this and, now that Trump has passed the gov’t-wrecking BBB, decimated all the social service agencies, and given him the permanent tax holiday he paid for, his utility has reached its pull-date. Trump is just too unhinged to further help the forces of fascism in the age of instant information.
I also agree with Wilson that Vance’s under-the-radar trip to chat with Rupert in MT last month — during the likely timeframe when that story was being vetted at the WSJ — was a heads up for Vance, along with making sure JD knew where his upcoming advancement originated and which side his bread is buttered on.
In additional to what other commenters have said, I think Murdoch understands that the appearance of covering up a pedophile operation could have serious consequences. Failing to report on the birthday card risks allegations of cover up.
My guess about the birthday card: The dialogue sounds like a distillation and prettying up of “sexual braggadocio (“locker room talk”) between two buddies after late night parties. If the birthday album was intended to be shown to others, the “coded” language would be understood by some but not be others. Maxwell probably wrote it and Trump drew the picture and signed it.
Rayne, I apologize, but I can’t remember if my name is spelled
SunZoomSpark
SunZOOmSpark
or SunZ00mSpark
Help?!
Clearly a result of attending the Hash Bash repeatedly starting in 1972.
[Moderator’s note: your original username is “SunZoomSpark” although we’ve been sloppy behind the scenes and cleared “SunZOOmSpark” several times without pointing it out. Use the original if you would, please, to avoid the possibility of triggering auto-moderation. /~Rayne]
Thank you, Rayne.
Long may you reign!
I agree with Ms. Dalloway at 2:57pm PT that Maxwell probably has a raft of information that’s her own personal insurance policy. For her own safety, I hope she has made it clear to those featured in the files that she both has the info and has made arrangements to auto-publish it when she dies. Releasing the letter to WSJ would definitely put a shot across Trump’s bow. If WSJ has that letter, it seems likely that they have other letters from the book (maybe all of them?). If Maxwell was the source, they may well have other correspondence between Trump and Maxwell.
I’m not sure WSJ needs to have anything in their clutches. The simple fact is that tens of people at least, maybe even hundreds of people have something on Epstein. (And that’s not counting people from the FBI’s ‘Trump redaction’ effort.) Many of those people are shopping their stories to both law-enforcement and the media. If WSJ needs something more they can either buy it for a relative song, or simply republish someone else’s stories.
I think the question is not what Murdoch et al ‘establishment’ GOP operatives like Karl Rove, Charles Koch and Paul Singer ‘have on’ Trump, but how long they’ve had it.
Who in their right mind ever believed the fairy tale that they were ever “cowed” by that tool or by ‘his’ base (THEIR base), rather than leading him by his nose, with fertile means to sink him anytime they wanted to, and they would, no sooner than when they were done milking his usefulness as a nincompoop their so contemptuously jerked around & bamboozled base can relate to, for all it was worth?
That’s what Epstein was about. What David Pecker was about.
Fox News hasn’t even mentioned the WSJ story, or the $10bn lawsuit.
Fox knows its place and Trump commanded his sycophants to “shutup” and “stop talking” about Epstein – because only “bad” and “weak” people talk about Epstein.
Maybe this is the Murdoch’s raising a feeler? If it sells papers they can keep doing it, if they get too much shit for the whole business in conservative circles they can stop and maybe Fox New ‘proves’ the WSJ wrong. But if it plays well their other outlets start covering Epstein too. (They don’t have to worry about Trump taking away their broadcast license because they’re a cable channel.)
I never wrote a picture in my life.
That’s my wife. That’s Marla. (Looking at photo of E. Jean Carroll)
-World’s Most Reliable Memory
This NYT article has six sharpie drawings that Trump drew, but says he’s never drawn. Oops.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/18/us/politics/trump-drawings-epstein.html
*clarification: Trump says he hasn’t drawn – that he doesn’t know how to.
‘A non-existent claim that Trump authored the email is by no means the only thing in the lawsuit Trump makes up.’
Bingo. When trump says those are ‘not my words,’ we can believe him. That submission was obviously a collaborative effort, something one would expect from trump even if the request from Maxwell was designed to produce a birthday book with the innocence of a Hallmark card. Given the inside-joke theme, my guess is that Maxwell wrote the dialogue and asked trump to illustrate it.
But lots of luck getting that subtlety into the framework of the discussion.
The odds are better when one never takes at face value what Trump says.
If it is a fact that the WSJ never claimed Trump “authored” the letter, then Trump making it up in his complaint is a big deal, because it would lead to a prompt dismissal of that claim, and potential sanctions for the low-grade lawyers who filed it. That’s assuming, though, that Aileen Cannon doesn’t win the draw for this case in SDFL.
It was apparently filed pro se, meaning no actual attorney was used. I am curious how SDFL is the place where the WSJ created its content. Not that Aileen Cannon would care, but IIRC she is not the only judge in that district. If this case is assigned to another judge, Convict-1 is in more trouble.
harpie posted in the previous thread that the suit has been assigned to Obama appointee Judge Darrin Gayles.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/07/20/why-is-todd-blanche-risking-the-conviction-of-a-sex-trafficker-rather-than-use-fruits-of-already-completed-review/#comment-1104360
For Scott: Convict-1 has a history with Judge Gayles, he ran away from a 500 M$ case over Michael Cohen when he was about to be deposed. TACO started earlier than we thought.
Anyhow, we will see how serious Rupert is about replacing him if he strikes back. Otherwise, it is more kayfabe.
Wait, does this involve Mary MAGA-dilemna?
If so, the lawsuit could be a crucial fix.
they can hang that around their necks
Yes, Trump’s Xianists are really teed off. His course of action is worse than expected. He’s running out of strokes of luck. And MAGAts don’t like par-the-no-genesis conundrums.
That generation is anything but spontaneous.
The dilemma is ‘don’t cross the Murdochs.’
The case won’t make it to discovery because Judge Gayles will bounce it on a 2-615 motion to dismiss. The only question is how hard he’ll laugh when he does so, having to explain how Trump has no reputation left to be harmed.
Looking for a strategy in Trump’s actions is like analyzing a rabid dog to know why it’s attacking people. Dude has never been smart and now he’s deep in dementia and is just lashing out. There’s no plan. He just reacts based on whims and thinks he’s allowed to do anything he gets away with.
The ONLY reason this keeps sticking to him is because it’s the first time he was on the wrong side of MAGA. None of them listen to him. They listen to their favorite shockjock or preacher and they were hyping the Epstein thing for years as a Democrat scandal that Trump would uncover to finally rid America of the Democratic Party forever. Now the Scooby Doo gang pulled the mask off the ghost and it was old man Trump the whole time and he’s blaming them for meddling in his business.
And it should be remembered that other people write his better tweets. He writes the short ones that sound like a drunk raging at his ex-girlfriend. There’s very little chance he wrote that long one referring to Trump in the third person.
I think part of his terrifying predicament is that — separate from denial reflex — he truly doesn’t remember some of his actions and therefore has no idea what evidence may exist.
Someone found a tweet from 2013 where he says that the president has more important things to do than getting a sports team to change its name.
Trump does, but he’s ignoring them, it seems, in favor of riling up and distracting his base. But there’s a big difference between Donald Trump’s attention span and the White House’s.
semi-OT . . .
Judge Emmet Sullivan, everyone, from his ruling against OMB in CREW v OMB:
Yes, yes, it will be appealed. But as one would expect from Sullivan, he makes it abundantly clear that he is having none of the government’s crap.
Judge Sullivan is well known for his intolerance of government BS, and both parties have been hit by his judicial fire. Michael Flynn’s case was torpedoed by AG Bill Barr when Sullivan had the case for sentencing. Flynn had already pled guilty with an allocution before Barr bigfooted the show.
re: TRUMP – [EPSTEIN’s] Birthday Suit and SCANDAL
Just some individual.
Popehat RePosted:
https://bsky.app/profile/jsweetli.bsky.social/post/3lud4g5biis2r
July 19, 2025 at 9:55 AM
And paragraph 16 is getting some attention [LOL]:
https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3lubk5eyb322y
July 18, 2025 at 6:55 PM
It raises questions about his understanding of media terms. (Surely he used to understand what “exclusive” meant.)
He’s reverting to his upper-crust lexicon, where “exclusive” means “not shared with the commoners.”
What an embarrassment for the entire country, that someone this stupid and pathologically self-absorbed could achieve the pinnacle of power here — and that tens of millions of Americans think he’s their actual savior, their champion.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait a minute! You mean to tell me that a media organization spread information? To millions of people?! That’s never happened before in the history of media! You’d never expect a media organization to publish an exclusive story–that’s why it’s exclusive!
/s of course but Poe’s Law means you have to.
Filed pro se, huh? Is Stephen Miller trying his hand at lawyering too, now?
Murdoch and the two reporters are also characeterized as individuals, as opposed to the corporations Dow Jones and News Corp. But on page 3, where the parties to the suit are described, we can read:
So I wonder which is the capacity of Trump suing: that of a private citizen, or that of the President?
The three other indivduals are described as
followed by a specialized sentence for them.
He uses his title for everything, even when it’s inappropriate.
Does filing pro se mean he couldn’t get a lawyer to take the suit? Or will a lawyer be showing up later and ‘taking the case so the president doesn’t have to waste his time?’
Yes, yes, indeed.
The possibilities Witte proposes all seem to require Rupert Murdoch to play ball and allow Trump a quiet out. That doesn’t seem consistent with his having launched this story in the first place.
I’m guessing that firing Maurene Comey was supposed to pave the way for Maxwell’s appeal. If so, Trump did it at a bad time, although his stated reason (constitutional power granted to the president) fits with the overall narrative of him desperately trying to assert dominance and control. The M. Comey move barely registered for a single news cycle if it was intended to distract in advance from the WSJ piece.
I’d be curious now about Maxwell’s relationship with Murdoch. Her dad was his competitor, but current events might make them allies. Murdoch disgusts me, but I’d love to see *any* media owner stand up to Trump.
Just my $.02, but I think what spooked Trump before July 8 was Maxwell asking for a pardon because she might lose her appeal and is now willing to make a deal for her release by naming Epstein’s pedophile clients. That’s why Trump told Bondi to announce the files were a nothing-burger, hoping everybody would yawn at old news and he could slip a pardon under the radar in a few months. But because he’s demented, ill and can only remember simple things, when the WSJ story hit Trump knew he couldn’t quietly pardon Maxwell (or hint to Putin that someone should send her join Epstein in hell) without massive blowback, so he went to Code Red, Roy Cohn’s “Deny, deny, deny!” rule, with a 10B lawsuit, when it would have been far smarter to have brushed it off: “Yeah, everybody knows Jeffrey and I were friends, I sent him a Playboy-like cartoon birthday card mostly written by my staff, so what?”
Sorry, should have posted the above under this name.
Clearly the Pedo-dent is getting desperate. He will clearly drop his lawsuit before discovery begins.
He will blame the liberal, MAGA hating, DEI judge.
Meanwhile, his good buddy JDV suggests that the WSJ release the kraken, er letter, that his boss claims is non-existent. It looks like JD does not want to wait till 2028. If we get an unearth day for the birthday letter, DJT may get ousted for JDV. Equally corrupt but less stupid. I think a weakened Pedodent may have less support for getting horrible stuff done.
Less stupid but with a massive charisma debuff, even amongst MAGA, that can’t be discounted. Doesn’t mean they won’t try though. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Vance quote that couldn’t be characterized as “sneering.”
‘Pedo-dent’ -that’s what the National Enquirer will use as their headline!
Hunter Biden’s outburst today caused me to once again speculate on how smart one has to be to become a lawyer (Alina Habba would also raise the question, along with many others). JD Vance may have some competition for the right to add DA (dumb ass) after his name but he certainly has earned it. I am not sure removing Trump would not make things worse (and after Vance, Johnson, and so it goes).
If JD Vance told me himself that it was necessary to distance himself a little from Trump I’d have to admit that all his brain cells had fired at once, and in the same direction on that decision. In other words, I think Vance is one of the first rats to leave the sinking ship.
I think Keith Olbermann had the best line…
“Trump suing Murdoch is like Jesus suing John the Baptist.”
Denigrating to Jesus and John. Maybe Hitler suing Goebbels?
Upon subsequent thought, Goebbels didn’t “baptize” Hitler, which was more the gist of Olberman’s remark.
Did he circumcize him?
It’s sue-ey generous.
An interesting connection to me is that the Tuesday before this story broke, JD Vance reportedly was in Montana meeting with Murdoch and Fox execs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-murdoch-fox-news-secret-meeting-b2769061.html
I feel like an argument could be made that Murdoch et al are ready to ditch 45 and start elevating Vance as their de facto leader because they suspect or even know how badly this all is going to go. They were ready to break this Tuesday and just wanted to make sure “their man” was ready to go. Makes me feel like a Kremlinologist of yore, though.
The 25th Amendment could be in play here? There is plenty of evidence that the doddering Trump is mentally unfit for office; they just chose to sweep it under the carpet. JDV would be a nasty SOB of a President, but IMO highly unlikely to parlay Trump’s MAGA base to get elected in 2028.
But possibly able to bring about the American dictatorship. Watching “V for Vendetta” the other evening brought about reflection on what a 20-plus year old movie has to say regarding our current state of affairs.
I just read Turtledove’s alt-history novel “powerless”, and was thinking how much worse it could be. (Very alt-history: he doesn’t go into details, but there are hints, like the 1881 Jeff Davis CSA gold coin. Things get much much worse from there, and the USSR owns much of the world.)
What are the chances that the letter has Trump’s fingerprints and/or DNA on it? And the WSJ knows it?
To the people behind Trump, he became expendable the second he was sworn in the second time. They know, and he knows, that they can 25 47″ as soon as they decide he’s no longer worth carrying. Could the Epstein matter lead to that, through an erosion of his MAGAt base support? I suppose. But the people behind Trump won’t care about the duped base as long as they can keep the wrecking ball that Trump enables in motion.
I thought Lachlan Murdoch was running all the businesses now.
I think that’s true, except when it comes to whatever Rupert Murdoch is personally interested.
It’s a good point. It might explain why Trump claimed Rupert didn’t have the juice to stop this story, but did include the CEO in the lawsuit (and asked who he was).
That is, Lachlan may not control WSJ, but he does control Fox, which explains the different editorial line.
The problem for the Murdochs is that the Wall Street Journal makes their money by having a very right-wing editorial page, but keeping their news straightforward so the business-people who read it know what’s really happening. So there’s a very narrow limit to how much opinion can be expressed in a WSJ news story. And lots of people are making deals or buying and selling stocks according to what the WSJ tells them. So maybe WSJ is the family member who’s telling the truth while everyone else puts their hands over their ears and chants ‘La, la, la, I can’t hear you!’
Wouldn’t hurt to keep two things in mind: who is the WSJ’s audience, and what is the reach of the WSJ?
WSJ as of 2023 was 1st or 2nd largest US print paper next to NYT, though I’m not certain what the current status of either is today. Trump is one of the WSJ audience.
You’ll note this story ran in WSJ and wasn’t in Barron’s or MarketWatch, both of which are US-based NewsCorp business reporting properties. How much of this was due to the publisher Almar Latour at Dow Jones & Co, the subsidiary holding structure of WSJ, Barron’s, and MarketWatch, in turn owned by NewsCorp? How much of Trump’s immigration policy — driven by Stephen Miller, about whom WSJ ran a lengthy profile last month — is a deep concern to Latour who is of Dutch birth, and the Murdochs, who are not US born?
And then there’s the Russian angle — Rupert married a retired Russian scientist who is the former mother-in-law of Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich. Who is the audience, indeed.
There are a whole lot of interesting questions for anyone who wants to go further into those weeds. Thanks for identifying them!
Michael Cohen interviews Michael Wolff about Trump and Epstein, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEKwgDjIPcQ
Just a thought: Ghislaine was close friends with Ivanka and her mother, Ivana. Rupert and Wendy Deng, one of his multiple wives, convinced Ivanka and Jared to reunite.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/wendi-deng-ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-instagram-dubrovnik
Ghislaine was also pals with Chelsea (Hillary and Bill) through her “non-profit foundation” and the Clinton Global Initiative.
https://www.spreaker.com/episode/ghislaine-maxwell-the-terramar-project-and-the-clinton-s–67031561
And, if you’re unaware, Bill Barr represented Rupert and Lachlan against the rest of the heirs last fall.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/a-dishonesty-of-purpose-and-motive-probate-court-slams-bill-barr-while-rejecting-rupert-murdochs-bad-faith-bid-to-change-family-trust-as-a-carefully-crafted-charade/
Begun in 2022, Barr’s firm has filed a suit on behalf of Dow Jones & Co. regarding AI.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/barr-takes-on-murdoch-ai-case-as-firm-stockpiles-gop-lawyers
Welp, since Trump commanded everyone to stop talking Epstein, and Fox complied, Tulsi’s li’l report card is the talk of Fox now, and the MAGAts are back to supporting Trump. Because treason was committed on Trump, so says Tulsi.
The MAGAts can’t contain their glee over the very thought of BAMZ! going to prison. Trump even put out an AI of BAMZ! in prison to further indulge their fantasy.
All this to distract from the #EpsteinFiles – the very thing that will break the MAGA spell of Trump.
When I first learned that WSJ was running the article, my reaction was that some people who helped put Trump into power (again) believe that Trump needs to go in order for the Republicans to have a better chance of not losing the House and/or Senate in 2026, or possibly they want Trump to go for other reasons, and that publishing the article was the start of the campaign to dump Trump.
In support of your thought, xyxyxyxy’s referenced youtube podcast above between Cohen and Wolf above has Wolf opining that what is happening now is the beginning of Trump’s lame duck Presidency and the differentiation from Trump contenders for 2028 are putting in motion. Murdoch can maintain control by back-handedly, WSJ instead of Fox News, weakening Trump in preparation for the contender he will ultimately support.
“…more background that either side is revealing.
I think you mean “more background than either side is revealing.”