Trump Keeps Demanding that You Stop Talking about His Jeffrey Epstein Problem

From the second I saw Trump say, Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?, I knew this scandal would roll out differently. At that point, I understood it only as a matter of attention — and I was right.

“POTUS is clearly furious,” said a person close to the White House, who, like others in this story, was granted anonymity to discuss the mood inside the West Wing. “It’s the first time I’ve seen them sort of paralyzed.”

A senior White House official told POLITICO the president is frustrated with his staff’s inability to tamp down conspiracy theories they once spread and by the wall of media coverage that started when Attorney General Pam Bondi released information from the Epstein case that was already in the public domain.

“He feels there are way bigger stories that deserve attention,” the senior White House official said.

Donald Trump survives (and thrives) via two super powers: his ability to command and redirect attention, and his exploitation of polarization to defy actual truth once he has that attention. And, in asking that question, Ae you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein, he expressed that he believed those super powers were failing.

At the time I only understood that his ability to command and redirect attention was failing, but given what has transpired since we can hypothesize about what brought him to this point.

Epstein is different than past scandals because it is so close to a motivating conspiracy of his base, QAnon. A third of his mob is motivated by an equally strong cult belief, and he relies on that mob to control political opinion and wield credible threats against defectors. Meanwhile, his base is suffering from what I’ll call “Justice deprivation,” (which I’ll return to — I’m sure there’s a better term), meaning they believe in him because he continues to stoke their belief he’ll deliver “Justice.” But they’re getting impatient. The John Durham investigation didn’t quench their thirst for vengeance against the Deep State, and now Pam Bondi has been caught stalling on delivering justice to the pedophiles.

And, Ghislaine Maxwell has a credible threat. This doesn’t mean she has proof Trump raped 15-year olds, though we can’t rule it out. Given how things are proceeding, I doubt we’ll ever learn what it is. What matters is the threat was and is serious enough he recognizes he must neutralize it.

But that credible threat meant that two parallel developments — Maxwell’s attempt to cut her 20-year prison sentence and the bumbling efforts from Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino to resolve the Epstein thirst they had stoked — collided in the week before John Sauer had to move forward on defending the prosecution against Maxwell’s appeal. Probably, Bondi’s frantic review of the case files in March was an assessment, as Maxwell was preparing her appeal, of how badly those two risks collided, and (as we’ll see) a creation of a list of names to target.

For a brief moment, the left — which has squandered any effort to be able to command attention, in part because most prefer to yell at Chuck Schumer — managed to piggyback on the right wing mob to be able to command attention and even, in Congress, political risks.

In those weeks, we’ve seen Sauer take an action (the response to her cert petition at SCOTUS) that Maxwell viewed as a threat to her ability to get out of prison. Then, her attorney David Markus publicly conveyed that he believed Donald Trump was reneging on a deal (publicly, that was a reference to the appeal, but this is a world of easy double entendres). Then the initial WSJ story — I can’t prove that it came from Maxwell but everything that happened since is consistent with that and this discussion assumes that’s true — demonstrated to Trump how Maxwell’s threat might play out against the backdrop of his mob’s dissatisfaction with Bondi’s dodge on the Epstein files, which convinced Trump to take steps to address the Maxwell threat, all the while against the backdrop of the second (Iran was the first) defections from his base, as they accused Trump of covering up.

It’s fairly clear the plan was to fire Maurene Comey, freeing up Trump to sell out the victims, create a delay and diversion with the grand jury head fakes, so as to shift Maxwell’s focus on Trump onto everyone else. Markus revealed that she was asked about 100 people in her two-day “proffer,” and the plan is to feed the base with scandals about those 100 people, some of whom will be the most prominent Democrats. That will provide Trump the space and excuse to get Maxwell out of prison.

Meanwhile, the Tulsi Gabbard conspiracy theories met with tremendous success at redirecting the focus, at least of the top trolls, from Epstein to transparently bullshit claims about The Black President. Kate Starbird shows that the Epstein focus tailed off by the end of day on Friday July 18, after Tulsi aired her conspiracy theories.

But those conspiracy theories are already creating their own problems. The John Durham investigation already proved there’s no legal there there. And Tulsi recklessly (but effectively) upped the ante, promising even better results than Trump ever promised Durham would provide. Treason, she said.

Trump is still struggling. Perhaps, most lethally for him, he’s not hiding that he’s trying to command and redirect attention — he has said as much three times now. Spectacle fails when you reveal its strings, and Trump, himself, is disclosing them.

He literally reeled off a list of things he wants journalists to cover other than his own Epstein problems.

What are you hoping Todd Blanche gets out of his meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell?

Well I don’t know about the meeting — I know it’s taking place. And he’s a fantastic man. He’s a great attorney, and people should really focus on how well the country’s doing, or they should focus on the fact that Barack Hussein Obama led a coup, or they should focus on the fact that Larry Summers, from Harvard, that Bill Clinton, who you know very well, and lots of other friends — really close friends of Jeffrey Summers [sic] — should be spoken about, because, you know — Jeffrey Epstein — should be spoken about. And they should speak about them because they don’t talk about them, they talk about me, I have nothing to do with the guy.

[pre-planned exchange about the homeless in which Trump asserts authority to take over DC]

Have you heard about Todd Blanche’s interview with Ghislaine Maxwell? Have you considered clemency for Ghislaine Maxwell?

Well, I don’t want to talk about that. What I do want to say is that Todd is a great attorney. But you ought to be speaking about Larry Summers, you ought to be speaking about some of his friends that are hedge fund guys, they’re all over the place. You ought to be speaking about Bill Clinton who went to the island 28 times. I never went to the island.

Do you maintain you did not write a letter?

I don’t even know what they’re talking about. Now somebody could have written a letter, used my name, but that’s happened a lot. All you have to do is take a look at the dossier, the fake dossier. Everything’s fake with that administration. Everything’s fake with the Democrats. Take a look at what they just found about the dossier. Everything is fake. They’re a bunch of sick people.

[turns back to talk about homeless people]

[Another conversation endorsing genocide of Palestinians]

Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell?

It’s something I haven’t thought about.

If [inaudible] recommended it?

I’m allowed to do it, but it’s something I have not thought about.

But you wouldn’t rule it out.

But Markus, Maxwell’s attorney, is doing a good job of shifting the attention. After the first proffer, the WSJ magically came to focus on all those other people, some of the very same people Trump would name the next day (again, Markus revealed that Blanche brought in a list of about a hundred names, surely culled from what they saw in the case files; Maxwell is not being asked what happened, she’s being asked what kind of dirt she has on a pre-selected group of people).  And NewsMax and some key influencers are beginning to sell his narrative that Maxwell is the victim. Markus is a formidable lawyer in any context, but he happens to be South Florida’s formidable lawyer, and he knows these players and how they work.

And while Todd Blanche and Pam Bondi are nowhere near as formidable as Markus (indeed, Markus handed Blanche his ass on a cheap plastic plate), they do have the power and the shamelessness to do what needs to get done — the betrayal of victims, the clemency for a monster. Blanche already guaranteed that everything Trump will do going forward, including pardoning a sex trafficker to neutralize the threat she poses to him, will be rubber stamped by a SCOTUS already happy to sanction Trump’s crimes. We can’t probe his motives, even if they’re transparently deprave, SCOTUS already dictated.

That means only political pressure can thwart or impose a cost for Trump’s plan on rewarding a sex trafficker to redirect her weapons.

  • One question is what Maurene Comey does. She has been silent (and, as far as I know, has not been a source for any story). But there are a number of steps she might take that would either clarify how important her own firing was in making this happen or fuel the response.
  • I think Trump has also assumed the victims won’t find a way to speak up. That may well be true — after all everyone else is terrified and they have far less power than all the people cowering from Trump — but it may not be. There are a lot of journalists who have fought to tell their stories, and those stories are powerful.
  • Epstein’s executors are clear they’ll accept subpoenas. And at least for the moment, Democrats have succeeded in forcing Republicans to vote for subpoenas.
  • I’d love to do a campaign asking every Republican to go on the record about whether they would impeach Trump for a Ghislaine Maxwell pardon — but the moment for that may have passed.
  • One reason Deputy Attorneys General don’t meet with sex traffickers is because it makes them a witness. And while I think Blanche may one day claim he is protected by dual privileges — those of a top law enforcement officer and those of the President’s consigliere — that’ll be a legally dodgy claim. He has done plenty, already, to warrant a subpoena for testimony about why he has broken every law enforcement protocol to meet with a sex trafficker.
  • The three judges involved in the grand jury unseal requests seem to smell something is up; Richard Berman, in particular, is acutely aware of how badly the victims have and are being treated. (Note the docket in that case has shifted to non-public filing, which likely means victims have started filing their response to the unsealing request.)
  • Bondi created 1,000 witnesses to what is in the Epstein files, and put everything on a SharePoint server, meaning it may be vulnerable to hacking under the zero day just released, and was vulnerable to Elon’s DOGE boys.
  • NewsMax, which employs Alex Acosta and is front-running the pardon Ghislaine campaign, could be pressured for coddling pedophiles. And for the moment at least, the twin powerhouses of the Trump bubble, are taking different approaches (silence versus complicity) to helping Trump kill this story.
  • And until the far right totally gets on board, it is still possible to keep this swamping the news.

All of which is to say there are other sources of attention and power. Trump has a plan forward and a shit-ton of tools (and an exceedingly competent partner in Markus), but cannot be sure he’ll be able to reclaim that attention.

Still, a number of other things are going on, as Trump’s accelerating sprint to consolidate power.

Again, he is disclosing his strings. You don’t shift attention by telling people to avert their gaze, you entice them elsewhere. First Trump started yelling at his influencers for covering Epstein (most of them complied with his orders, but not all), and then he started giving people a list of things to cover instead: Trump’s claimed successes, his Potemkin trade deals, or the Obama conspiracy theory, or Larry Summers and Bill Clinton. You gotta pick, grandpa. You pick your focus and lead the way, you don’t give a multiple choice test!

The diversion — Tulsi’s conspiracy theory — may create its own problems. NYT reports that Tulsi did that without giving Pam Bondi a heads up (in the same way Bondi staged the first Epstein influencer event).

Ms. Bondi was given little warning the director of national intelligence was about to demand she investigate one of Mr. Trump’s most longstanding grievances: claims without evidence that the Obama administration overstated Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election in order to undermine him.

Ms. Bondi, fresh off a nasty fight with a top F.B.I. official over who was responsible for the political mess around the Epstein case, felt blindsided and annoyed, according to several people familiar with her thinking. They said that in reality, however, Ms. Gabbard was acting as little more than a proxy for a president demanding action on his vengeance agenda.

Ms. Bondi’s staff scrambled for a solution that would satisfy Mr. Trump while not committing the department to a tit-for-tat Obama investigation with unpredictable legal and political consequences.

Ms. Gabbard, standing at the White House briefing room lectern on Wednesday, made a series of provocative claims and pointedly said the onus was now on the Justice Department.

Several hours later, Ms. Bondi’s deputies posted an ambiguous, four-paragraph statement on the department’s website that announced the formation of what they described as a “strike force” to look into the Gabbard accusations.

In several posts, Ben Wittes has unpacked the series of non-announcements that Bondi has made.

So if the two conspired as government officials—as the Fox News article suggests—to do something nefarious to cook intelligence to get Trump, the statute of limitations for that offense, assuming such conduct even maps onto any known criminal offense, would have lapsed long ago. Ditto the statutes governing false statements and perjury. In other words, it’s completely unclear what the Justice Department—so eager to announce the investigation—might actually be investigating.

I can think of only two possible answers to this question.

Third, the first possibility is that some of the investigations of these matters dragged on for years, and some interviews might have taken place late enough that statutes of limitations have not yet run. For example, Comey gave one congressional testimony as late as September 2020, which would leave a few months yet before the statute of limitations on that. Brennan was interviewed by the John Durham investigation in August of the same year. So it’s theoretically possible that the investigation is limited to supposedly false statements made in the context of interviews made within the past five years.

Fourth, the second possibility—maybe more likely—is that the investigation is premised on a fanciful theory that the supposed “conspiracy” continued past the two men’s service in government. If you posit some conspiracy, after all, the statute of limitations runs five years past the end of the conspiracy, not five years after any of the specific acts that make up the conspiracy.

With respect to any supposed conspiracy involving Brennan and Comey to cook the intelligence on Russia to get Trump, we are operating in the land of fantasy. And when exactly does a conspiracy to commit a fantastical act end? In other words, if one predicates an investigation based on nonsense, it is possible to nonsense one’s way back quite a few years using a theory of conspiracy to nonsense.

Fifth, I actually doubt that either of these things is what is really happening here. What I think is happening is what one might call a ghost investigation.

I’d add another several points about evidence:

  • First, DOJ and FBI already conducted assessments about some of this evidence, both as they assessed it in counterintelligence reviews and as part of the John Durham investigation. As I’ve shown, Tulsi’s claims include an SVR document that HPSCI not only selectively cited, but which they had to know had been deemed “objectively false;” revisiting that decision would require, among other things, conceding that Jim Comey intentionally threw the election to Donald Trump in 2016. The Durham investigation showed that to try to make an investigation of these files, you have to fabricate things that aren’t even in the underlying Russian spy reports.
  • Now, think of the witnesses. DOJ can’t pursue this for the same reason it would have been nearly impossible to reopen the Russian investigation; because a credible witness (in that case, Bill Barr) had weighed in definitively. Tulsi’s recent claims conflict with things Kash Patel, Marco Rubio, and John Ratcliffe have had to say, after reviewing the same evidence. As I’ll show, the HPSCI Report right wingers are frothing over actually added an egregious error years after Kash sort of got the same assertion correct.
  • And that would also mean that the FBI and CIA Director would be natural, irreplaceable witnesses. Want to create a shitshow? Invite John Brennan to call Kash Patel as a hostile defense witness to both what happened in 2017 and what has happened more recently.

Will Sommer has been tracking what he calls “hype-debt” among Trump’s rubes.

But as I dove into the MAGA internet to get a sense of whether this distraction was working as intended, I was surprised to discover that not everyone was buying it. Yes, it’s only been a few days. But my sense is that Trump is racking up a sort of hype-debt within the party, as he tries to refocus his base away from one disappointment by setting them up for an even bigger one when Obama fails to face a military tribunal.

Take Liz Wheeler, a conservative pundit who received one of Attorney General Pam Bondi’s fateful Epstein binders back in February, and has since become one of the most vocal critics of Trump’s attempt to shut down questions about Epstein. On Monday, demonstrating why she was trusted to participate in the binder photo-op in the first place, she gushed that Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard had published “new evidence” of a scheme by senior members of the Obama administration to undermine Trump’s first term. (That was, coincidentally, a day after the infamous Wall Street Journal story on Trump writing a note to Epstein). Gabbard’s moves against Obama, she wrote, marked “the first glimmer of what I would call real justice.”

But even Wheeler couldn’t miss the contradiction here. If Obama and his aides committed treason, why don’t they actually get, y’know, arrested? Can a Trump Justice Department that can’t manage to release the Epstein documents without stepping on a series of rakes really pull off the criminal prosecution of an entire past presidential administration?

Wheeler said the only way to fulfill Trump’s new commitment to his supporters would be actual prosecutions.

Though he was also one of the first to catch NewsMax prepping the way for Maxwell’s clemency.

Meanwhile, Republicans are the only ones who buy this. In Gallup’s latest, Trump has started closing in on his all-time lows — his support immediately after leading an assault on the Capitol — among support from Independents. And that’s as the effects of his tariffs builds.

It seems likely that Trump’s defense attorney will pull of some kind of non-Trump Epstein distraction. What’s not yet clear is how much backlash that will elicit. Or whether Trump will reclaim his ability to grab attention.

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  1. HonestyPolicyCraig says:

    “Everything is fake” , spoken like a true buddhist. But, immediately, out goes true understanding when our psychopath president says, “They are a bunch of sick people”, and Trump is fake. Our president is a psychopath. I guess we know what it is like to live in Nazi Germany in 1938.

    “Not everyone is buying it…” from Sommer is meaningless at this point in the narrative. At this point it is just stuff to say about some stuff someone else said. The pure babble of “the first glimmer of what I would call real justice.” is truly frightening.

    Again, thank you Ms. Wheeler

  2. RitaRita says:

    Trump telegraphed in advance the strategy – distract by throwing out names of his enemies and reward his friend Ghislaine Maxwell with some kind of clemency.

    It is hard to stomach the evil, not only by Trump, but by Blanche, Bondi, and all of those who know the facts but are willing to go to any lengths for Trump and their own personal benefit.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      Hell is going to need a whole new circle for these minions as well as Convict-1 for the crimes they keep committing. Add to that crew the GOP Senators poised to elevate Bove to the Third Circuit (which IIRC oversees NJ, I wonder if there’s a reason…), and all of the ostentatious cross-wearing won’t help them at Judgement Day.

      As for the list of 100 names, these could very well be from the allegedly ‘non-existent’ Epstein files, but the point I suspect Blanche was trying to make is to bury Convict-1 in a sea of similar criminals and then argue that Convict-1’s conduct was nothing special. The case of Victoria Giuffre (doubtless among many others) showed that Mar-a-Lago’s owner actively abetted Maxwell’s conduct for acquiring victims. No quarter should be given.

      I don’t know if Ms. Comey is under any sort of non-disclosure restriction after her unceremonious firing, but my read is that she will bide her time until she can stick the shiv in for herself and her father. As long as the WH continues to bury the Epstein files she remains a fact witness, and what might make the most sense is that the victims sue Bondi, et al, for failing to notify / include them into any pardon discussion for Maxwell as required by federal law (IIRC). Ms. Comey would then be subpoenaed as a witness and will have to speak freely in open court.

      I still don’t think a full pardon is in the works (though Markus doubtless is demanding it) because at that point Maxwell would have no constraints on what she says about whom aside from her testimony (i.e. defamation from innocent persons she implicates). That means Convict-1’s attempt to create the firewall backfires and badly. I’m not a lawyer, but I do recall a commutation frees a prisoner but with some controls remaining (IIRC Scooter Libby got this). However, the strings would still be visible as EW notes in the post and not enough would be fooled to avoid another backfire.

      One last note: it is clear from all of this that the mojo brought to the service of Vlad and MBS and KJU is clearly fading, and I suspect in the near future Vance will become a more acceptable alternative because Convict-1 can’t do anything for anyone any more. Perhaps that’s the real reason he visited Rupert Murdoch with Usha on that hush hush trip to MT.

      • Nessnessess says:

        “…the mojo brought to the service of Vlad and MBS and KJU is clearly fading, and I suspect in the near future Vance will become a more acceptable alternative because Convict-1 can’t do anything for anyone any more. Perhaps that’s the real reason he visited Rupert Murdoch with Usha on that hush hush trip to MT.”

        Yes. The people behind Trump can swap him out whenever they want and are prepared to do so, there can be no doubt. It’s possible, I suppose, that Epstein, Epstein, Epstein will be the vehicle of his disposal, in some way. The Project 25ers and their fellow travelers and all of the cabinet (no matter how loyal) realize that Trump could need to be cut loose, should the chaos he engenders churn up something that no longer serves their greater purpose — when they decide that what they’ve accomplished with Trump is secure enough to survive his exit as POTUS. Might Epstein be the trigger for them to 25 47? If they wanted to finally be rid of him, they could get Maxwell to give evidence that would absolutely destroy Trump. And indeed, why is Vance consulting with Murdoch?

        A loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires…. don’t cry baby, don’t cry ….

        • AirportCat says:

          I doubt Trump could be so easily discarded, especially not for Vance. Too many of the MAGA adherents view Trump as being anointed by god or some such. It’s a cult and he is central to its existence. There would be significant, unpredictable consequences to his removal using (for example) the 25th Amendment

        • Rayne says:

          The success of removal without rebellion by Trump’s base would require adequate communications to the public of egregious behavior sufficient to arouse disgust among the base AND make it clear the House and Senate GOP caucuses couldn’t tolerate his remaining in office.

          I can think of a scenario in which one or more oligarchs acquire enough evidence and bandwidth to make this happen, but it might happen organically — and this latter scenario is likely why Trump is flailing so hard. If the potential is there for organic change, it makes turnover by oligarchs even easier.

    • Joe Orton says:

      I used to bristle when I read Trump-Epstein Pedophile Scandal cover up being compared to the Catholic Priest pedophile cover ups. But now, as Trump’s people go hardcore on covering up for Trump, it is becoming an apt comparison. Also with many of Trump’s people being Catholics.

      The Catholic Priest pedophile scandal broke open after that Spotlight article in a newspaper that I’m not remembering its name. It would be very interesting if the Trump-Epstein Pedophile Scandal brakes open in a similar way.

  3. Golden Bough says:

    Re : “Justice Deprivation”

    Might I suggest “Revanchist”? Greater than just the 1/3 QAnon portion of his base demands Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, et al., be locked up, “tarred and feathered” (to use Mike Johnson’s own phrase), or otherwise sufficiently punished. The lack of this promised retribution and revenge on Trump’s enemies is failing to properly sate the cultists’ bloodlust.

    • Shredgar says:

      People with a reactionary personality make up about 30% of the human population. This is the same 30% that supported slavery, that didn’t want women to vote and that still supported Nixon when he resigned.

      It seems to be how some people are wired. We will never change their minds, we must out organize and out vote them.

  4. Super Nintendo Chalmers says:

    Transitively speaking, isn’t the Drumpf (mal)Administration 1.0 treasonous for failing to prosecute Obama and his co-conspirators? I’m “asking questions” using the current MAGAt parlance. This is the enshitification of conspiracy theories. It’s amateurish, even for them. They let Obama slide — just like they let “Crooked” Hillary, and the Durham “Investigation” managed a single plea on a single bogus charge. They’ve already failed the conspiracy theorists, who have to continually develop new conspiracy theories to explain all the contradictory evidence. And so it goes….

  5. Penalcolony says:

    “Trump has started closing in on his all-time lows . . . as the effects of his tariffs builds.”

    And so, to counter the blowback from his tariff tax — while further bloating the deficit — he’s already teasing “tariff rebate checks.”

    • gmokegmoke says:

      First Trmp administration tariffs against China resulted in retaliatory tariffs from China against USAmerican agricultural goods. If memory serves, Trmp cut about $23 billion of “rebate” checks to farmers, more, probably, than his original tariffs took in.

      Why farmers didn’t remember that recent history and why Democrats didn’t beat that drum loudly and often I will never know. Only Chris Hayes mentioned it repeatedly in my hearing.

  6. bevbuddy says:

    Craig Unger writes on an under reported aspect of Epstein’s kompromat operation on tech and science sectors that then helped Trump.

    https://bsky.app/profile/craigunger.bsky.social/post/3luidavdnyk25
    Not all of Epstein’s girls were underage sex slaves. Check out Lana Pozhidaeva(left), who became his emissary to the world of science, and, allegedly, may have been infiltrating Silicon Valley on behalf of Russian intelligence.

    https://craigunger.substack.com/p/from-russiato-jeffrey-with-love
    From Russia(to Jeffrey), with Love
    The Epstein saga is even more interesting when you look at the Russian women who helped run his operation. Here’s a look at Svetlana Pozhidaeva.
    Craig Unger

    https://craigunger.substack.com/p/from-russiato-jeffrey-with-love-part
    From Russia(to Jeffrey), With Love, Part II
    Famous as “the girl who kissed Putin,” Masha Drokova also worked for Jeffrey Epstein before she penetrated the Silicon Valley tech sector. Big question: Is Masha another Red Sparrow?
    Craig Unger

    • DizziNes says:

      Yes. The timing of the Epstein shoe(s) dropping interleaves well with Trump’s Russian/Ukrainian pressure/ aide. Russian influence is all over this.

    • gmokegmoke says:

      The connection of Epstein to MIT (and the Kochs) is under-examined. Look at MIT-EI [Energy Initiative] and the Media Lab for the strongest threads. Edmund Carlevale has been writing about some of this on Linked-In for years now and believes both John Deutsch and Ernest Moniz are involved and that, perhaps, the hounding of Aaron Swartz to suicide may be part of the picture.

      Another part of this puzzle is the Edge Foundation and all the “luminaries” there.

    • bevbuddy says:

      Linked to tech, Peter Thiel and Russia, V.P. Vance is no longer invited into Trump’s inner circle.

      https://www.mind-war.com/p/putin-has-him-surrounded
      Putin Has Him Surrounded
      “The break between Putin and Trump over Iran has shifted the target of the Russian psychological war machine from civilians to Trump himself”
      Jim Stewartson

      “Trump seems to be both tightening and losing his grip on power at the same time, a kind of Schrodinger’s fist. This is a dangerous place for a messianic narcissist with the nuclear codes to be . . . a true Manchurian candidate.”

  7. Magnet48 says:

    Trump has been referred to as an ‘intuitive’ politician, but government by spontaneity is a petri dish for confusion, usurpation of roles, & inner turmoil in both the governors & the governed. Everyone loses.

    • Palli Davis Holubar says:

      I smart at the term “intuitive” when describing trump. “Spontaneous” is better…often immediately followed by “combustion”.

      • Matt___B says:

        Impulsive, aggressively self-protective, thin-skinned, feral, cunning, self-absorbed, psychopathic, sadistic are the adjectives that come to my mind.

        “Intuitive” in only the most negative sense – not scripted or prepared.

    • gmokegmoke says:

      “In an addictive system confusion is the norm. Much time and energy are spent simply trying to figure out what is going on. When we are confused, we tend to believe that the world is confused.”
      Anne Wilson Schaef, When Society Becomes an Addict

      Anyone has any doubts that Trmp acts like an addict?

      • Ben_15JUN2024_1525h says:

        RIGHT ON!!!

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    • Cicero101 says:

      I’d call Trump instinctive rather than intuitive. His options are generated at brain stem level rather than the cortex.

  8. Julius Hayden says:

    Ghislaine Maxwell needs to be careful what she signs on to. She could end up dead like her mentor/master. It is hard to testify from the grave.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Maxwell and Markus surely know that. They also know that Blanche and Bondi can’t be trusted, and because whatever they learn goes to Trump, and he leaks information like a sieve.

      She will tailor her information, and reveal it only about people who daren’t attack her physically. She will signal to less restrained Epstein patrons that nothing’s coming out about them and never will. Even so, it’s a delicate dance.

      • xyxyxyxy says:

        About Markus knowing that Blanche CAN be trusted, Blanche has appeared on Markus’ podcast at least once as per https://www.rawstory.com/epstein-blanche/
        “The conversation [between Markus and Blanche] happened in 2023 on the “For the Defense” podcast that was hosted by defense attorney David O. Markus, who was himself involved in representing Maxwell during bail hearings.
        Blanche recalled…”
        and
        “Blanche is phoning a friend as the administration deals with fallout over the Epstein files….Left unmentioned: The lawyer, David Oscar Markus, happens to be a friend.
        “I know a lot of people that have worked with you. I know a lot of people who know you very well,” Blanche told Markus last year while appearing for an hourlong sitdown on his podcast.
        “I now consider you a friend and someone who I know pretty well,” Blanche added. “You are — by far, are — the best out there.””
        but on the other hand
        “Markus represents Hillary Clinton in Trump’s lawsuit claiming she and others “maliciously conspired to weave a false narrative” of Russian collusion during his 2016 presidential bid. A federal judge dismissed the case and sanctioned Trump’s lawyers. Trump’s bid to revive the case heads to an appeals panel for oral arguments in November.”
        but back to the first hand
        “Blanche entered Trump’s world when the then-former president was indicted in Manhattan, forced to leave his cushy law firm job to take Trump on as a client. Blanche felt shunned by much of the criminal defense bar,
        a feeling that grew as many defense attorneys egged on the Manhattan district attorney’s prosecution on television — but not Markus.
        “It cannot be that defendants like Jeffrey Epstein, defendants like even Hunter Biden, right, who — and I don’t mean any disrespect to them,” Blanche told Markus on his podcast.
        “But they can have Big Law represent them and the Big Law lawyers get awards, they get to go to galas, they get they speak, they’re posting on the LinkedIn how amazing they are,” Blanche continued. “But that if you’re representing somebody like the former president of the United States in a white-collar case, that I have to leave my law firm.”
        Markus sympathized, at one point saying, “it must drive you bananas.”
        “It’s something, man,” Blanche opined.”
        https://thehill.com/newsletters/the-gavel/5414355-todd-blanche-ghislane-maxwell-epstein-files/

    • Pedro_06JUL2025_0919h says:

      She’s at great risk I fear. A lot of powerful people who would prefer anonymity are rumored to have reveled on Epstein Island.

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  9. Palli Davis Holubar says:

    The first real crack in the MAGA myth of the Dear Leader. As photos & gradual release of Survivor stories reveal: trump and Epstein raped White girls & women…and enjoyed it. It was (is) a lifestyle. (All those gaudy older women at Mar-a-Lago parties are there for more than lookey see?) Has MAGA finally developed some empathy? Limited, of course.

    • Matt___B says:

      If Ghislane Maxwell can get “limited immunity”, can you credit some MAGAts with “limited empathy”?

      Nah. Some narcissists are skilled at imitating empathy when pressed.

    • Palli Davis Holubar says:

      The operative words describing any developing doubt in the MAGA myth were “White girls & women”. Granted that is very selective empathy, the only empathy racism allows.

  10. HonestyPolicyCraig says:

    Durham’s team questioned Miller for hours. They asked her questions about whether she had an anti-Republican bias that influenced how the assessment was written, Miller said.

    “I was answering questions like, ‘Tell us how you hate all Republicans, and that’s why you wrote this paper.’ Actually, if you look at my registration, I’m a Republican.”

    Yep, it is here. We are Nazi Germany. I can’t believe I read that in an NBC report.
    What are we gonna do?

    • Sheryl_Robins says:

      Two things:

      1. Pardoning a convicted child rapist will not be acceptable to most people.

      2. The Supreme Court has said the acting president can do anything he wants. So Obama could conceivably say: ya’ll got me. I ordered all of it, but POTUS can do whatever he wants (makes gesture with middle finger).

      • Rayne says:

        The Supreme Court has said the acting president can do anything he wants.

        No, that’s not what SCOTUS said in Trump v. United States; POTUS only has absolute immunity for official acts. Covering up his role in crimes committed before he was president by way of his conflicted former personal attorney making a compromised offer to a criminal is not an official act.

        Obama can easily say he took care that the Laws were faithfully executed, and his acts to that effect were official.

  11. wa_rickf says:

    Fox News and MAGAts are upset because some decent patriotic Americans were trying to prevent a known business fraudster and 15 year pal of a teen girl pedophile from becoming POTUS.

    Incredible!

  12. zscoreUSA says:

    Speaking of Qanon’s “thirst for vengeance against the Deep State”, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, Mike Flynn, and Mike Benz share that same thirst. Purely coincidentally, I’m sure.

    https://archive.is/VhTd7
    https://archive.is/a5vQU
    https://archive.is/Px4Tn

    Flynn even demanding: “CIA needs to be brought to heel immediately”

    And in the wake of Tulsi’s releases about “Spygate”, here’s Ezra Cohen-Watnick giving a big push forward. After years of acting like he wasn’t involved with the handoff to Nunes, he’s letting out tons of rage he’s been hiding. Stopping short of yelling damn right he ordered the code red.
    https://archive.is/0UDGt

  13. Cheez Whiz says:

    When looking at any announcement by this administration regarding “investigations” always bear in mind Trump’s reply to Zelenskyy’s question about what to investigate: “just announce an investigation, we’ll take it from there”.

    And regarding the base’s frustration over Epstein, I nominate “justice interruptus”.

  14. DrRickTx says:

    I find it hard to believe anyone would trust Maxwell to have any “new” information that isn’t already known by the DOJ. If he was a “spy” wouldn’t it be better to ask the spymaster? If she says he was…how does that make it better? I guess for a conspiracy facts are just inconvenient at best! The sad facts are many young girls were harmed by many prominent and powerful men who will never be held accountable.

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    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Oh, I suspect Ghislaine Maxwell is sitting on a ton of incriminating information the DoJ doesn’t have. Revealing the sex and financial crimes of the world’s most powerful and connected people is not popular among the world’s most powerful and connected people.

      Keeping it that way is one reason Bondi and Blanche would be working so hard to keep her quiet.

      • Rugger_9 says:

        I would agree about the evidence given Epstein’s self protection leverage racket, but where would it be physically? Anything within reach of the feds has been searched, so that would leave TrumpOrg properties (therefore it’s gone) or something like a Cayman Islands cache.

  15. Savage Librarian says:

    OK, let’s give the guy a break(down), and not talk about Epstein. Let’s follow Tulsi’s lead and talk about Russia. As bevbuddy shares in her comment above, Craig Unger advises us not to forget about Epstein’s connections to Russia with respect to science and technology (and spying.) Unger reminds us of some compelling connections.

    I’d like to also suggest another connection to Russia we’ve forgotten: The Magnitsky Act.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEStb5DedNA

    And remember, Susie Wiles’ husband saved a seat for Natalia Veselnitskaya at a Congressional hearing to try to undermine the act on June 14, 2016. Veselnitskaya was also at the meeting with Don Jr., Manafort, and Kushner on June 9. Susie, I think, was working on the campaign in Trump Tower then as well.

    So, coming back to the human rights aspect, since many of the players in the current administration and Russia are motivated by money, it stands to reason that could have implications related to various kinds of child exploitation as well.

  16. Ed Walker says:

    If I were one of those 100 people in danger, I’d be looking for evidence that Trump was a client of the sex-trafficing business. I’d be checking in with all my co-defendants looking for corroboration. I’d be making discreet contact with people not on the list but who should have been, which no doubt includes people Trump wants to protect.

    But a real criminal caught up in this would be able to think of things I can’t imagine for self-protection.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Yes. As usual, Bondi, Blanche and Trump may get what they want, but not what they intended. Incentivizing 100 powerful people to investigate and reveal secrets about Donald Trump – when he wasn’t President – is not likely to bode well for him, especially as what they find is likely to be true.

    • Rayne says:

      Oh gods, “I am Trump’s smirking revenge.”

      We’re living in Chuck Palahniuk’s fucking Fight Club, with Trump’s psychosis, projecting his desire for retribution on his base and they’re too deeply mired in authoritarianism to see it, struggle to accept he =/= they and he is dragging them into his ultimately self-destructive delusions.

  17. BreslauTX says:

    Where would Trump’s 2016 Crew (Flynn, Stone, Manafort etc) that got pardons fit into attempts to go after Obama, Comey etc ? I realize that they could lie on the Witness Stand, but I don’t see why DOJ would want them to testify since the defense teams will be thumping them hard based on their past history. Yet, I don’t see how DOJ could prevent the defense teams from calling them as witnesses.

    DOJ won’t prosecute them for lying, so DJT won’t have to pardon them again.

    **********

    Trump appears to be unable to direct the Epstein Play because there are so many independent actors that are now beyond his control.

    * Epstein Estate or related leaking documents
    * Epstein’s Victims
    * The RW Conspiracy types
    * Murdoch
    * Perhaps some from the Religious Right who overlooked the “Grab ‘Em” boast on the Bus, but will never accept the Young Girls stuff from him
    * Maybe Tech Bros that want Vance to move up to POTUS
    * Maybe Musk decided to work indirectly to take Trump down rather than via direct confrontation
    * Maybe Putin decided that DJT is no longer useful, so work to elevate Vance who comes across as Russia friendly

    Other than the victims and Epstein’s Estate, the rest of the above were Allies of Trump at some point in time.

  18. OldTulsaDude says:

    I have come to understand that Trump’s true superpower is the gullibility of the American people after decades of the right chipping away at public education. I would guess some percentage well south of 40% can define critical thinking and even fewer practice it.
    It’s just so much easier to scroll or push a button or listen to a podcast
    and repeat.

  19. Joe Orton says:

    I read Josh Marshal’s post at TPM on ‘why MAGA is obsessed with Epstein’ the other day. Since then I’ve thinking about if a portion of MAGA, like the QAnons, can take what they’ve been feeling and turn it toward Trump? I think possibly. Josh says it’s about punishing the ‘Elites.’ And they have been told by Republicans elites that the ‘Elites’ are all Democrats. The R elite males grew beards to project ‘I’m not elite.’ The R elite females got facial fillers and a gold cross charms across their chest to project ‘I’m not elite.’ But I think this makes for a juicy conspiracy. QAnons can ‘deduce’ that those beards and crosses are the true costumes hiding the Real Elite. And it’s a whole fresh conspiratorial spiraling world to get lost in and for some to make money off. (Fresh bread out of the oven vs stale bread in the breadbox.). They’ve been trained to ignore hypocrisy and embrace victimhood so claiming to have been fooled by the Real Elites, Republicans, is possible. If Trump can’t work his magic and get every one of them to become obsessed with something/one else from the breadbox then getting energized off a new enemy (Rs) fresh from the oven is possible. It really would be a massive conspiracy right under their noses that Fox would have to feed eventually (in need of ratings) and conspiracy and victimhood is what they love (to hate). And it would open a lane for new QAnon leaders to rise up and seize power and make money. Heck, maybe Bill and Hilary held Trump’s coat while he was in Epstein’s bedroom abusing a teenage girl?

    • Rayne says:

      Ugh. Influencer tradwives as new elites. Makes me want to barf but this is probably close to the truth.

  20. Rugger_9 says:

    I see that Markus (Maxwell’s attorney) is demanding a pardon, based on a non-prosecution agreement with Epstein that is the basis for the current appeal at SCOTUS. I did not realize that immunity deals extend to minions, but that appears to be the gist of the demand.

    I note that Maxwell and Convict-1 are locked into a mutual destruction pact. The first one to surrender loses. If Ghislaine gets her full pardon, there is no leverage to get the preferred testimony. If Ghislaine doesn’t get the full pardon (i.e. a commutation with strings like 3-inch hawsers visible to all) she has no recourse if the rug is pulled out (i.e. the testimony wasn’t ‘good enough’) and Markus would not be doing his job as her advocate. With Convict-1, all details must be clearly and completely defined before signing.

    I don’t see a way out for Convict-1, and FWIW, I’m sure Roberts wants a pardon so he can punt the case.

  21. misnomer bjet says:

    When he asked are you “still,” he might as well have said, “I hope.” Say Epstein; not Maxwell. And they did.

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