Quantum Leaps: The So-Called Whistleblower That Got NSA’s Top Mathematician Fired
Tulsi Gabbard has a so-called whistleblower (SCWB) on whose claims she has built wild conspiracy theories that conflict even with what Kash Patel and John Ratcliffe have said after reviewing the same documents. The SCWB’s claims about … well, a bunch of things, are so flimsy I thought I could just ignore them.
Sadly, I can’t.
Tulsi just used the claims to fire a top NSA mathematician, Vinh Nguyen, over the objections of the Acting Director of NSA.
The acting director of the National Security Agency tried to protect one of his top scientists from losing his security clearance as Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, prepared to announce the move this week, according to officials briefed on the matter.
The effort failed. Ms. Gabbard, on orders from President Trump, fired the scientist, who was a leading government expert on artificial intelligence, cryptology and advanced mathematics.
SCWB also seems to harbor a grievance against Shelby Pierson based on his own conspiratorial misunderstanding. Pierson warned against Russian interference in 2020, and had since moved back to lead the analytical team at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. She was ousted along with Nguyen.
So this whistleblower complaint appears to have led to the ouster of two senior intelligence officials.
And his claims are riddled with problems.
As laid out in documents Tulsi has released, there are several parts to his complaint (but they’re so disorganized they make me worry about the analytical ability of what must be one of the Intelligence Community’s top analysts). What appears to have happened is the SCWB felt that Nguyen pressured him to adopt one of the Key Judgments of the 2017 ICA weeks after the fact, and it led him to get paranoid about everything that happened before and after that. Based off a misreading, a rumor, and an apparent chip on his shoulder, in 2019 he came to believe that both Nguyen and Pierson had been hiding that the Steele dossier had a role in the ICA that it provably did not have, and based on that, he tried to submit a whistleblower complaint, with little success, until Tulsi came along.
Here’s the timeline:
February 2016: Squire Patton Boggs shares concerns about voting
Years after the fact, SCWB retroactively came to suspect that a law firm reaching out to raise concerns about election integrity must have been a malicious attempt to influence the election.
Late 2016: Stand down on election infrastructure intrusions
Leading up to the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, SCWB was tasked, with one other person, with doing an overview of Russian intrusions into voting infrastructure. The more they looked, the more they found, but with one exception, there was no exfiltration involved. Before that was finalized for the ICA, someone — this may be Nyugen again — told him to stop working on one particular intrusion because it was something else.
SCWB claims that his work didn’t make it into the ICA, but there are nine paragraphs on the subject, including this one, which appears to list the “something else” as criminal hackers.
Unidentified actors operating from leased commercial infrastructure commonly used in GRU operations also targeted US state and local voter registration systems. We have low confidence in attributing these reports to the GRU because such services are commonly used by cybercriminals, who probably conducted at least some of the intrusion attempts to collect personally identifiable information on US victims.
Years later, SCWB would come to believe this something else was not criminal hackers, but a continuation of the DNS fabrications John Durham invented as part of his pursuit of a Russian conspiracy theory. SCWB based this in part on a deliberately inflammatory and factually erroneous court filing which had to be walked back, but not before Kash Patel and Trump weighed in to invite death threats.
Tellingly, Tulsi didn’t provide the backup to this SCWB claim, which suggests it could withstand even less scrutiny than the rest of his claims.
January 4, 2017: Treatment of foreign media
SCWB also complained about how the ICA dealt with foreign media, reasoning that there were other foreign media outlets seeking to intervene in the election, so it would be unsound analytically to present only the Russian attempts to denigrate Hillary. According to an endnote, he raised this issue on January 4, 2017, the day before the ICA was finalized.
Early to mid-January 2017: The Key Judgment dispute (SCWB complaint version)
The first complaint presented in his complaint (which appears in two places, and is actually the third or fourth complaint chronologically) is that he was pressured to adopt the ICA judgment that the Russians wanted to influence the election, period, but especially to support Trump.
In the second description of this, SCWB places this temporally before the ICA was finalized and contextualizes the dispute against the backdrop of changing views between September and January (precisely the view Tulsi adopted in her propaganda work). That second description includes a number of assertions that don’t match the documents Tulsi released.
Through my role in leading production of the prior 2016 ICA, I also knew that as recently as September of 2016, other elements of the ICvi had pushed back during analytic coordination on warnings of Russian intent to influence the 2016 presidential election, stating that such a judgement would be misleading. Yet, by January, at least one of the IC Elements that had pushed back (the Federal Bureau of Investigation) had seemingly altered its position and embraced a judgement of Russian intent to influence the election, seemingly without any new data other than the election’s unexpected result and public speculation that Russia had ”hacked” the vote – a scenario that, we in the IC judged, simply did not occur.
His endnote, vi above, cites to this email, which is entirely limited to voting infrastructure intrusions.
On page 5, under the “(U// ) Adversaries with Intent” section, we would prefer for the first sentence regarding Russia’s intent to be softened. The way it currently reads, it would indicate that we have definitive information that Russia does intend to disrupt our elections and we are uncomfortable making that assessment at this point. We would suggest editing the sentence to read as the following (changes highlighted): “( ) We judge Russia to be the only nation state with the current means and possible motivation to use cyber attack to disrupt the 2016 election or deny political legitimacy to US presidential candidates.” We would also suggest editing the title of that section to instead read something along the lines of “(U// ) Evaluation of Likely Adversaries” so that it doesn’t mislead the reader to believe that the IC currently has information indicating Russia has a known intent to influence the elections.
So SCWB is the source of Tulsi’s own conflation of warnings about Russian intent to change the vote with Russian intent to influence who won, and as such his claims about changed views are simply not backed by the record. They’re more defensible in his case, both because he came to this problem from the focus of voting infrastructure and was compartmented out of discussions about Russian intent. But it’s still provably a conflation of two different things.
Furthermore, CIA fully backed the view that Russian intended to help Trump, but even if SCWB were right that only FBI had changed their view, that could reflect several prongs of the criminal investigation about which no one else knew — that George Papadopoulos had gotten seeming advance warning of Russia’s effort to harm Hillary and Carter Page claimed he had an “open checkbook” to found a pro-Russian think tank.
At that level, then, his primary complaint replicates (or, more likely, is the source) of all the problems with Tulsi’s larger conspiracy theories, that he claims not to know the difference between a voting machine and a DNC server.
In the first telling of this conflict, however, SCWB made specific claims about what he remembered his NIO — understood to be Nguyen — saying, six years later:
There is reporting you are not allowed to see, if you saw it, you would agree.
Isn’t it possible Putin has something on Trump, to blackmail and coerce him?
You need to TRUST ME on this.
I need you to say you agree with these judgments, so that DIA will go along with them! [emphasis original]
This is the claimed source of pressure and now the likely explanation for the firing of one of NSA’s top mathematicians.
Importantly, this exchange necessarily came after the finalization of the ICA, because (in SCWB’s telling) it was influenced by James Clapper’s purported reaction to the briefing of the Steele dossier to Trump.
According to [], the DNI had been surprised by DIR Comey’s unilateral, last moment inclusion of the “Steel Dossier” in briefing materials — supposedly inserted by DIR Comey as the group rode together in a government vehicle. [] had characterized the “Steel Dossier” as being viewed by the DNI, and [] as well, as non-credible sensationalism, and to my knowledge the material had never been taken seriously by the IC.
But the rumor about Clapper turned out to be wrong.
While SCWB may have had not access to this for some time, Clapper testified to HPSCI in July 2017 that the plan ahead of time was to have Comey brief Trump on it.
MR. CLAPPER: No, the only purpose was to make sune that the President-elect was aware it was out there. And when we went up to brief him and his team on the 6th of January, we had deliberately planned ahead of time that we’d bring this up, but neck down just to him and to Director Comey.
In other words, SCWB’s entire understanding was based on a false rumor of what went on — not to mention a seeming sustained and unpersuasive ignorance of what was publicly reported on the dossier.
Again, I have no complaint that SCWB didn’t budge his judgment based on the fact that he was not read into the Fusion Cell compartment, which is what really was going on. But really, the dispute is overblown, because by this point (again, several weeks after the publication of the ICA) the ICA was already stale. I know I didn’t care whether DIA bought off on it weeks after the fact.
Importantly, however, Tulsi’s entire conspiracy theory is based on SCWB’s uncorrected adoption of a rumor here.
September 2019: The dossier tantrum (SCWB complaint version)
SCWB’s mistaken belief that the dossier was somehow the secret thing that was central to the ICA that he didn’t know about likely explains the way he threw a tantrum about it in September 2019, based off a wild misreading of an email to him.
At a time when the precise role of the dossier had been public for over a year, he was forwarded a FOIA request referencing “Shelby” — which he seems to have taken as a reference to Shelby Pierson — to search for references to the dossier because “an assessment” of the dossier “was added as an annex.”
Shelby believes this should be responded to by the NIC as the dossier was a factor in the 2017 ICA on the election interference in which an assessment of the document was added as an annex.
Please review the attach document and conduct a search for the time period May 2016through February 2017 of all records of communication (including emails on both .gov and non-.gov accounts, text messages, and instant chats) between the office of the Director ofNational Intelligence, including but not limited to former ODNI Director James Clapper, and the office of the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, including but not limited to former FBI Director James Comey, regarding the collection of memos known as the “Steele Dossier.”
The SCWB replied in a tizzy, asserting that the non-compartmented version of the ICA had no dossier reference (which is true) and stating that his analytical scrub of the classified non-compartmented version did not include anything represented to be dossier materials (also true).
He then went on to repeat the rumor about what Clapper said about the dossier that also had been publicly debunked for years.
I was asked by NIO Cyber [ ] to participate in the analytic scrub of the non-compartmented version of what I think is the 2017 ICA referenced below. It included no dossier reference that I recall.
- I was not / am not in all of the Russia compartments, and so I did not participate in the crafting of the compartmented version
- At no point did [] suggest that there was any analytically significant reporting that I was NOT seeing, with the exception of compartmented material (I asked repeatedly, because of analytic concerns I held regarding a KJ that remain unresolved to this day.)
- At no point did I see or consider what I gather is, or was represented to be, ‘dossier’ materials.
I did hear second hand from [], ostensibly recounting words of then DNI Clapper, on the day of a briefing to current [then, I think, just elect] POTUS, about inclusion of dossier materials in a presentation to POTUS elect. This was characterized as an unexpected and unwanted sudden and unilateral act by then DIR FBI Comey, and as a source of concern to the DNI.
To this day, I have never seen or reviewed dossier materials in a work setting. I did recently hear them referenced by two colleagues in terms consistent with the email below, which struck me as concerning and at odds with my personal experience working election issues during 2015-2017.
- With that single, recent exception, other than the email below, at no time in my IC career has ‘dossier’ material ever been represented to me in a work setting as something the NIC viewed as credible, or that was influential in crafting NIC products.
Once the dossier was in the ICA — and Clapper addressed that in public testimony in May 2017 — then its briefing to Trump was inevitable.
After another exchange, the SCWB ratcheted up his tantrum.
3. IF the Dossier material WAS used by the NIC, unless it is also compartmented, my NIO intentionally deceived and excluded me from things I was cleared for and had need to know, throughout his entire tenure here. I prefer to think that isn’t true, but if it was, we have a problem.
4. IF instead, Shelby or [] are mis-speaking about what the NIC was considering in its’ analyses, it’s a pretty reckless idea to fling out in an FOUO email.
The recklessness was and remains SCWB’s. No one said the dossier had been included in the analysis; he projected that onto the email sent him. And while Tulsi has studiously avoided releasing the annex that spoils her propaganda, Chuck Grassley did, revealing this caveeat:
We have only limited corroboration of source’s reporting in this case and did not use it to reach the analytic conclusions of the CIA/FBI/NSA assessment.
Further, the annex does compare the dossier with compartmented intelligence, meaning its classification was sound.
He simply made it up to have a tantrum.
In his later whistleblower complaint, he obscured the false rumor on which this was all based, claiming only he “had been led to believe that the prior- DNI Clapper viewed the ‘Steel Dossier’ material as untrustworthy.” That doesn’t excuse adhering to that for years, long after it was debunked.
And he seemed to concede that in the original email he had blown an “annex” out of proportion. To sustain his tantrum, he said that this would be a potential inappropriate use of classification,” except he bases that on a claim that the dossier was “widely available” in the press when it didn’t become available until five days after the ICA release.
I thought this meant either the premise of the FOIA email was incorrect – or – that “Steele Dossier”-related material was held in CAP channels, which seemed like a potential inappropriate use of classification for something so widely available in the open source press. If the material had actually been a “factor,” or, even just attached to a compartmented ICA, and whether the 2017 ICA’s judgements were valid, or not, it seemed that (and other NIO) had been actively misleading me, and potentially other NIC deputies, for several years.
By 2023 when he submitted this, all the evidence that he was wrong about the dossier and wrong about the briefing was public. But he nevertheless still stewed on his resentment that was based on those mistaken beliefs.
2019 to 2023: Whistleblower’s complaint
Starting after SCWB’s dossier tantrum in 2019, he started making complaints, first to management, and then to Inspectors General. But for much of that period, he wasn’t so much trying to make a complaint; he was trying to share information with John Durham. After the ICIG told him, in 2022, that they had no way to facilitate that referral, he tried to reach out to Durham’s office directly.
2022: Durham outreach
Tellingly, Tulsi doesn’t include the backup to SCWB’s DNS theories, so there’s no way to assess whether his theories are anything more than conspiracy theory (though, as noted, he himself sourced them to a deeply problematic court filing). He describes speaking to someone from the office (though he clearly didn’t believe the person did have ties to the office), but was put off because of ongoing trials.
[] replied to the effect that the Special Counsel was busy with upcoming trials, but that they would get back to me. Following conclusion of that trial, no contact from or anyone in DOJ was forthcoming. I was never asked to interview, or to attest to any of the events, or for a more detailed description of my concerns.
You really get the sense that SCWB was beginning to lose it by this period.
For example, nowhere does he seem to consider the many ways in which Durham’s own conspiracy theories about DNS were destroyed in the first trial — again, that was public. There was no real DNS theory left afterwards, so it is unsurprising that no one from Durham’s office reached out, in the wake of two humiliating acquittals, to further pursue theories that their own prosecutions had debunked.
January to June 2023: A belated DNS panic
A year after the Michael Sussmann trial disclosed that the FBI’s investigation of the Alfa Bank DNS anomalies was a shitshow, and weeks after Durham released his report trying to fudge that fact, SCWB renewed an attempt started years earlier to share a hypothesis with Durham: that the intrusions into some voting-related servers in 2016 were in fact fabricated by the people (he still falsely believed) had fabricated the Alfa Bank anomalies themselves.
The palpable frustration that no one responded to his concerns are fairly common for whistleblower attempts of any sort. All the more so for theories that have been debunked in a trial and Special Counsel report.
SCWB’s paranoid conspiracies
As I said above, I’m sympathetic with some of SCWB’s complaints. He’s entitled to refuse to budge on the ICA’s key judgments. He’s entitled to question the analytical rigor of assessing only one country’s media campaign (though by his own description, he did that after the fact).
But as someone who reconstructed the conflict between himself and Nguyen, six years later (that is, long after his mistaken beliefs had been debunked), as SCWB himself refusing to “abandon my tradecraft standards” and adhering to the “‘religion’ of analysts,” clinging to such paranoid conspiracies is inexcusable.
Though it does prove lucrative when your paranoid conspiracies happen to tell the incoming DNI and President precisely what they want to hear. If my understanding of SCWB’s identity is correct, he has served in a White House position advising on cybersecurity and now likely participates in the grift of Golden Dome. In the age of Trump, adherence to paranoid conspiracies is very lucrative.
But, unfortunately, they also lead to the United States purging key intelligence resources.
Putin must be constantly giggling to himself; the Russian assets that keep getting appointed to critical positions in this administration* will eventually be tossed out ( assuming the mid-terms [ assuming we are allowed to have mid-terms ] turn out well ), but in the interim are doing incalculable damage to the country.
Best case scenario, it still takes a full generation to undo the damage currently being wrought.
At the age of 65, the awareness that the damage I’m watching unfold won’t be recovered for 20-30 years is deeply depressing.
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Only if and when there’s an attempt at recovery.
Unless there’s an immediate start, it’s only going to get worse and probably double the years you mention; there’s going to continue being infiltrators who are going to do their best to cancel anything positive.
It’s got to start immediately.
The US population has to get behind Mamdani for mayor in NYC and Newsome in CA gerrymandering seats.
As a Californian, my view is “F Newsom and his power hunger”.
Yes, but let’s get the gerrymandering done and then rake him over the coals.
We VOTED IN a NON-PARTISAN COMMISSION to do the districts, in 2010, because we don’t want gerrymandering. The problem in CA isn’t the districts – voters get a say – but the VOTERS WHO KEEP ELECTING USELESS Rs.
I don’t like Newsom at all, but he does understand that awfulness of our current situation.
@ P J Evans August 22, 2025 at 12:07 pm
You’re exactly correct – it’s the voters. I voted for the 2010 non-partisan committee when I lived in SF then.
The problem IS (some of) the voters and the reality is, you can’t fix stupid.
In the Alaska show, I think Putin told Trump, “we have thousands of spies deep in your agencies…”, which ended the Alaska show. Maybe JD Vance will take some of them to a coffee shop at Union Station.
SCWB makes perfect sense at this point.
LOL. Apart from the non sequiturs, there’s a difference between being an active agent of Russia, and doing stupid things that help it, owing to a personality flaw.
Here, Gabbard seems the more likely agent, using a manipulable employee for her own political purposes.
Gosh, I got it backwards. It is funny how manipulation works, especially in a cult.
Agree, Gabbardi is using SCWB to advance the purge necessary to hide Russian interference on Trump’s behalf. Russia owns Trump because they helped him win in 2016. Trump will do anything and everything he can to suppress being exposed. He’s systematically destroying the IC for this purpose.
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As with all your reporting on the various threads of this fascist spider web, Marcy, this is dense and convoluted as it gets, which is no doubt their operating principle. Thank you for continuing to unravel this shit, and I hope you’re getting some sleep occasionally!
As to the “chip on SCWB’s shoulder,” I note that both the superiors he brought down were both women. It could be just a coincidence that this guy’s aiding and abetting a criminal gov’t enterprise that includes a Secretary of Defense who just retweeted a post from his pastor saying women shouldn’t have the right to vote, and that his perfidy is purely driven by fascistic ideology and Trump/Putin-love…but the odds are it isn’t.
NatSec and military and LE personnel tend to skew RW, and misogyny is part and parcel of that, especially the aforementioned Fundamentalist component (including Project 25’s Opus Dei underpinning) which is, in fact, the organizing principle of this contra-Constitutional disaster.
{facepalm} Nguyen is a guy. Definitely time for a person, woman, man, camera, tv test I guess.
Registering my belly laugh (so rare these days!).
AND, your prior post praising the remarkable brain power of Marcy Wheeler. I wish there was a way to do a mind-meld, but at this late date…hunh, wasn’t that cow, field, patty, wire thingagmajig….what were we talking about?
LOL, I’m with you Bruce and mamake. In fact, I was a bit shocked when my doctor unexpectedly gave me a very short cognitive test at my last visit. The only words I remember now are: door, calendar.
I could hear the panic in my voice when I asked if I was allowed to write the numbers on it when I was asked to draw the hands on a clock that was eleven ten. OMG. Luckily I passed. Yikes.
I also predicted in another comment here that Powell wouldn’t cut interest rates because of the weak job market. Lol, as they say:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/business/powell-speech-jackson-hole-fed-inflation.html
Whatcha gonna do? Some days you just can’t Nguyen…
Maybe I am being terribly naive here, but why isn’t anyone talking to Roger Stone or Julian Assange? I have thought since 2016 that these two foul characters are the closest to the Russian “hack and dump” operation than anyone else outside of Russia. Why are they not being grilled about their Russian connections? [Rhetorical question, of course]
Simple answer: because they won’t talk to anyone, except maybe simpatico “reporters” or the US government with whom they are currently allied, the latter who won’t interrogate them anyway about all this, in any scenario remotely conceivable.
OT, I know. But I’m glad to see the competition against Susan Collins is heating up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53bZ_95nDjk&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD
Graham Platner for U.S. Senate | Launch Video
He’s a monster (in the good sense). I wouldn’t be surprised to see the field clear out for him, but more likely some freaked out moderate will try to primary him to save us from socialism and get wiped out.
He’s smart, articulate, genuine and cops the attitude that’s necessary for this moment. And he drills right down to who’s getting screwed by the Trumpists. Hello: it’s workin’ people, which is who he is.
He could be a national figure in short order.
He’s got some legs. Mills is pissed, no doubt. I made a comment that may show above this one that displays ignorance of Mills’ run, or amnesia of it, or senescence. I do actually recall it now that she’s running, I can even see a photo of her making the announcement, in my mind, but I think my completely forgetting about it has something to do with my antipathy toward her running. Out with the Gerontocracy! Out with the Centrists! (and I’m 75) I hope he picks up steam.
Oh, and he’s an anti-war vet.
He’s got my money already.
We had ONE opportunity to out these rats and we simply didn’t do it. Dems are always trying to “move on” and what happens each and every time is the GOP walks from the crime scene laughing all the way to the bank.
See:
Iran Contra, Nixon, War in Iraq, Trump/Russia.
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Oh just stop. You seem to think politically-motivated investigations and purges are acceptable in democracy. You have also ignored how legitimately-predicated investigations have been systematically obstructed.
Convenient for your bash-the-Dems narrative, though, as is your convenient memory as to what the Democrats had to clean up after Trump 1.0. The pandemic didn’t end when Trump left the White House in January 2021, nor did his and MAGAs’ efforts to throw sand in the gears.
Respectfully Rayne, this is hair on fire time. We have secret police masked in the streets chasing people down and sending them to foreign gulags (minus ANY evidence of criminality), flouting of court orders, PURGING the IC, PURGING the FBI, midterm gerrymandering to pre-rig the midterms, and literal troops in the streets in DC… with a promise of more elsewhere, more more everywhere, harder worse and to hell with the constitution.
Chasing down criminality is NOT “politically-motivated investigations and purges”. It’s playing hardball. It’s bringing a knife to a knife fight. It’s time to stop being polite. There was plenty to follow up on and we had the bully pulpit, which is what you use to rally people against the obstruction of investigations and we had the the DOJ and we BLEW IT. We FAILED. Trying doesn’t count when losing means death. There’s already plenty. Check USAID, and RFK Jr.s lunacy.
My “bashing the Dems” is born of anger and frustration. I have far from forgotten the colossal disaster we were left with when Trump finally left office. In fact, he was FORCED out of office and never paid for Jan 6th either. We can “move on” again or we can be sure to understand that if these authoritarians aren’t beaten they’ll just be back again, for more, again and again and again. They have NO intention of stopping or slowing down or being reasonable, they’re only intent on destruction. The Dems are the only ones who can stop them. This isn’t an intellectual exercise. It’s an exorcism.
Where I’m at:
IF we fail at this we’re fucked. For generations. We FAILED at preventing a Trump 2.0. This is our last shot. There will be no 3rd chance.
I don’t think Trump plans on ever leaving. I think it’s why the Rose Garden and the Oval now resemble Mara-Lago. I hope we even have the mid-terms that I hope we win. I imagine Trump is acclimating us to troops in the streets for martial law when he declares an emergency to stop the 2028 election.
I haven’t got a crystal ball. But I’ve been right since that Orange racist POS called Mexicans rapists who were bringing crime and drugs and “some of them are good people” (the exception proving the rule).
PS. Sorry this is so long winded. I’d love to wake up and discover I’m chicken little. It ain’t happened yet. Ain’t gonna happen tomorrow either.
“My “bashing the Dems” is born of anger and frustration.”
Then get off your fucking ass and do something constructive. Bitching about “the Dems” as if they are a separate monolithic entity only confirms you live removed from the political system expecting someone else to do the work of civics and democracy for you.
YOU ARE THE DEMOCRATS. YOU NEED TO DO THE WORK. If you have time to gin out a 407-word comment, you are wasting your time and ours, especially when roughly 30 percent of eligible US citizens didn’t vote at all the last several elections.
We also don’t have time for the demoralizatsiya, the woe-is-me-we-are-fucked vampiric emotional drain. IT DOESN’T HELP ANYBODY and only serves to depress those on the margins.
Now get out of here and go to work. And quit complaining when your comments don’t show up promptly because you’ve “taught” the algorithm not to trust you because of your inability to type in the same username the same way each time you comment.
Looks like my reply got swallowed up by a hungry blog monster. ?
I didn’t get a 5 minute edit this time, so I’ll apologize for the double “both’s” in the second paragraph, and add that Trump made a comment two days ago about trying to get a RU/UKN peace deal involves his wish to get into heaven! The money quote is “I want to try and get to Heaven.” That solidifies my point about the underlying principle of this shit being fundamentalist Christianity, but it also gives us a point of attack with which to drive a wedge between his fundie and RW Catholic base: the Protestant reformation was based on “Faith, not Works” and Trump’s “Heaven” comment is fully in the RC “works” category. Huckabee and his Southern Baptist crew, and Hegseth’s pastor (and his uber-pastor Doug Wilson, I can say with confidence) are right now fuming at his “sloppy theology.” This can be exploited.
It is also an indication that Trump’s formidable ego edifice is crumbling; there is no indication whatsoever that he’s ever given a serious thought to the afterlife before, so this is truly significant, especially since he volunteered it in a cold call to FOX’s morning show. If he goes into a “conversion experience” meltdown, watch the three sides of his theocracy-support base go to war with one another to secure his allegiance to their particular perversion of faith. (The three sides are Opus-Dei, post-millenial CREC, and pre-millenial Baptist,) That’s a melee we can aid and abet, I think.
That would certainly be an opportunity if these 3 factions turn on each other.
Trump’s heaven comment made me think of the oligarchs and robber barons of the past literally hurting and destroying people to make their money throughout their life then, upon facing the end of their lives, trying to do something good to impress their God, like funding a new cathedral or a concert hall.
It raised my attention when it was reported that Trump prefaced his heaven comment with, “they say I’m not doing so well.” What does that mean, anyway? Is P25 already doing succession planning?
They probably started doing succession planning in 2017.
“Heaven” is just the name of a the last Catholic high school cheerleader he saw getting off a White House bus tour.
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What would the source of Carter Page’s think tank funding been?
Also, good lord, the top mathematician at the NSA being tossed out like yesterday’s garbage? Over the SCWB nonsense? On a whim, basically.
Who benefits from this?
Who benefits from this?
1) Donald Trump, who appears to his base to be purging rogue elements from his executive branch and is once again assured of his power by this display of Tulsi’s loyalty to him
2) Tulsi Gabbard, who appears to the MAGA base to be purging rogue elements from the current intelligence community and is assured that Donald Trump approves of her actions.
It’s a real category error to ask the logical question “who benefits” from the POV that the government exists to serve the citizenry with responsible actions. The current Trump admin does NOT exist to serve the public, they exist to serve themselves and their conception of what the “base” responds to in a visceral fashion (i.e. attempting to back up conspiracy theories with bogus info). Logic and facts are not their wheelhouse.
Other acceptable answers include Russia, China, Israel, Iran… Any country that doesn’t want NSA to know what they are doing to the US.
Indeed. And as Putin is now explicitly dictating to us how to run our voting processes, with Trump openly carrying his water on it, you gotta think that this maybe isn’t a coincidence that Tulsi’s pulling the curtains down, but the culmination of a long-game plan — back to before Page, to Manafort and to Trump himself being groomed via FL oligarch money-laundering windfalls in the ’90s.
IOW, Trump is in deep shit right now, despite his tentacles all over the levers of gov’t: Lowest POTUS approvals on record at this point; Fed’s not gonna cut rates to facilitate debt while the labor market is in the shitter; >Epstein Epstein Epstein<; and he's not well — in any respect. That's a very abbreviated list.
And the rest of the world's well-functioning democracies are disgusted by him and his band of utter dipshits. Those are not benefits.
Someone's got someone by the short hairs, and he's smiling.
Russia, China and Iran. Sure. They’re enemies. So is North Korea. What do you think Israel is “doing to the US”? And, what do you think Israel is “doing to the US” that the US isn’t “doing to Israel”?
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I am wondering if these people who get fired have to sign a non disclosure agreement that threatens them should they talk at any time in the future.
They’re in the IC. They literally cannot talk about anything that isn’t already in the public sphere. If they want to write a book, as McCabe did, for example, there has to be a pre-publication review conducted by the relevant agencies.
I could see Vinh Nguyen maybe writing a book talking in general terms about the mathematics of security and intelligence, just to highlight stuff that is public but not widely known or thought about, but I’m not holding my breath.
I’m thinking not just about Mr Nguyen.
I’m thinking of an administration’s strategy.
Let’s say someone says ‘Fire anyone who has had access to “the Epstein Files”, but infer they are being fired for some other reason” (not sure how a Mafia don type would word this……)
In other words, could firing a group of people be a strategy for closing off negative information?
I would like to see Maureen Comey and Liz Cheney become bosom buddies.
Seems as if the world’s intelligence services would be better off if SCWB were finally to abandon his “tradecraft standards.” All except Russia’s.
He seems like a perfect example of an academic: very smart, but also very obdurate, and so narrowly focussed on a few pines that he can’t understand the concept of “forest.”
I just can’t say thank you enough for your reporting. I love the facts and I love the nod to the emotional/personality state of the people involved.
It’s all a Game of Thrones with a crunchy coating of misogyny in each bite. In the courts of yore playing up to a King’s personality and personal weirdness is how you improved your station in life. And most Americans harbor some kind of hatred for women so it often seems to be these are male subordinates who ‘whistleblow’ against female higher ups, which also helps the people hearing the complaint make the leaps of logic required to take them seriously cuz hey all b-tches be trippin’.
From what I have heard and read, I believe that the money allocated to the Golden Dome project would be much better spent in serving the scientific, health, education, and housing needs of American residents. The Golden Dome seems like a boondoggle to enrich the military-industrial complex and billionaires.
Gen. Michael Guetlein is at the helm of Golden Dome, reporting to Deputy Secretary of Defense, Steve Feinberg. During his confirmation hearing, Feinberg wouldn’t say that it was Russia that invaded Ukraine. He also was supportive of massive firings at DOD. In addition, he also has potential monetary conflicts of interest.
So, if SCWB works with Golden Dome, the people at the top of the hierarchy may not care. They may even be supportive of him. It seriously undermines our competitiveness on the world stage by further laying waste to what once were our many strengths. That is very worrisome for our future.
“…further laying waste to what were once our many strengths.”
This is a government-wide effort. From stripping out counter-intel programs to axing vaccine research, the nation’s vital sinews are being ripped out and cauterized. Scorched earth would leave a better legacy.
I find it hard to imagine Putin dreaming of anything more. But very easy to imagine him supplying detailed instructions, across a panoply of bureaus.
And we’ve got to wonder what kind of medical treatment that Trump is receiving related to the bruising on his hands. Is that something that MAGA and MAHA approve of ? Or is it some treatment that he is receiving on the down low, something that is forbidden to us but allowed for him?
I’ve read that it may be infusions for failing heart and kidneys. That photo I saw of his right hand showed it was seriously swollen. (I’m only surprised they’re not using his *left* hand.)
I think one of our commenters has previously suggested the bruising may be a side effect of anticoagulants; they can be prescribed for a number of long-term health problems including congestive heart failure which would also cause edema. I’ll be watching for coughing next.
The divisiveness that threatens the fabric of our nation – whether due to race, religion, political ideology, gender, sexual orientation, or other – must end.
Tulsi Gabbard
Gentlemen, start your engines.
FBI has raided Bolton’s home in Montgomery County at 7 am Friday morning.
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It’ll be interesting to see which judge signed the warrant.
That warrant should prove very interesting to Bolton’s legal defense team because the parallels with the Mar-A-Lago search even down to the reported exigent cause (mishandling of classified information) should make Bondi, et al very uneasy. How does the pet DoJ square that the M-a-L search was fundamentally illegal / unwarranted / nasty with the obvious retribution on Bolton for daring to question Convict-1’s negotiating skills? The warrant should tell us, and FWIW I’m not sure there is any legitimate reason to keep the warrant under wraps since the Feebs executed the search.
Fundamentally, it is yet another distraction from the Epstein scandal.
Legal Eagle Andrew Weissman on Substack mentions to watch for false equivalency between Bolton’s search and Trump’s Mar-a-Lago search. Point is, Trump had been asked for many months to return documents and over 100 classified were found strewn about his club, and asks whether Bolton was given any notice or requests.
I hope the miscreants make a stink about whatever they find or don’t, so the security breach by Trump and the dodgy way he got out of consequences lands back in the news.
Agreed, there is no real equivalency despite Patel’s attempts to make this about ‘no one being above the rule of law’. That’s the point I was making, that the DoJ can’t make this equivalent or make Convict-1 saintly enough to warrant the distinction that made Bolton a target today.
Anyone seen the actual warrant yet?
Have you a citation?
It’s also a warning to everyone from the first time around, to keep their public opinions of The Felon Guy favorable.
In the Chat Section of Andrew Weissman’s Substack:
BREAKING: In thinking about the Bolton residence search conducted by the FBI this morning it will be important to keep one’s eye on whether the Trump Administration tries to equate it to the Mar-a-Lago search warrant. Recall that FLA warrant was necessary after repeated attempts verbally and through a subpoena to obtain the thousands of government documents being kept there. Only when that failed, was a search warrant required to be obtained and executed.
So key issues will be what notice was given to Bolton, if any (my surmise is none at all), and the volume of alleged documents (if any). This may be, at the end of the day, a lawful search, but still completely unwarranted and inappropriate government activity. Right now, we do not know enough facts, but I would worry about those who make it seem like this is just doing what the DOJ did with respect to the Trump compound in FLA.
Please find a way to offset the excerpted text so that we know which is from another source and which remarks are yours.
The blockquote tag in HTML is preferred but even quotation marks will do.
A link to the original source would also be nice (in spite of the fact Weissman is feeding the fascist Substack).
If they can make Maxwell’s testimony clean, they can dirty Bolton and break him financially if he resists. No matter how clean he is.
In case you missed it, another firing, Hegseth Fires Top Pentagon Intelligence Official
Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kruse’s agency had said Iran strike damaged but didn’t destroy targets
…a report that infuriated President Trump, who insisted the attack had “obliterated” the targets.
https://www.newser.com/story/374000/intelligence-chief-who-angered-trump-is-dismissed.html?utm_source=uol&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss_top
Here’s Steve Herman with a link to WaPo article about this:
https://bsky.app/profile/newsguy.bsky.social/post/3lwz46hkxbs2v
August 22, 2025 at 2:40 PM
Links to:
Hegseth fires head of Defense Intelligence Agency, Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kruse Secretary of defense Pete Hegseth has fired Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kruse, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the latest national security senior office to be purged. Washington Post 8/22/25 5:08 PM
I’ll come back with a GIFT link if I can find one.
AP version: https://apnews.com/article/pentagon-dia-iran-intelligence-trump-kruse-5cb1fb89b8f12c3b517f139f6d840b48
None needed, thanks. There are multiple other sources for that story.
That one is no paywall. Probably the same text.
The coverup continues with the creation of false narratives replete with creation of “villains” who must legally keep their mouths shut due to National security obligations and oaths.
Until someone spills the beans about this admin. it’s only going to get worse.
Bolton is now being used to scare the hell out of anyone even thinking of speaking out of turn. He had the opportunity to make sure this second term never happened by testifying at Trump’s impeachment trial. He declined. He refused. He was a good-boy. He let his hate for the Left get the better of his judgement. ETTD.
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Michigan Professor of Policy Don Moynihan:
https://bsky.app/profile/donmoyn.bsky.social/post/3lx2wc47b3c2c
August 23, 2025 at 8:00 AM
Links to:
Politics may have spurred August purge of 5 veteran FBI agents
Daniel Klaidman, CBS, August 20, 2025
I sure hope there are a lot of lawsuits ahead for violating federal employment laws.
Stone Cold Liars
It’s S-V-R and G-R-U
We know the other stone cold liars
If Putin thinks one thing true
He knows who is a falsifier
Cost effective cons for hire
Cost effective cons for hire
Right winger cons, his desire, yeah
Tells us the fascist states are due
It’s time to swallow and perspire
Tries now, with a shady ruse
So our govt becomes a Russian plyer
Cost effective cons for hire
Cost effective cons for hire
Right winger cons, his desire
Tells us the fascist states are due
It’s time to swallow and perspire
Tries now, with a shady ruse
So our govt becomes a Russian plyer
It’s S-V-R and G-R-U
We know the other stone cold liars
If Putin thinks one thing true
He knows who is a falsifier
Cost effective cons for hire
Cost effective cons for hire
Right winger cons, his desire
Right winger cons, his desire
Right winger cons, his desire
Right winger cons, his desire
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