Pete Hegseth Committed A(nother) Crime But We Can’t Throw Him in Prison

In a just United States, yesterday’s ruling from Judge Charles Breyer that the government violated the Posse Comitatus Act by invading Los Angeles would result in Whiskey Pete Hegseth landing in prison for two years. That’s the punishment for committing the crime of violating the PCA. And Breyer’s opinion clearly implicates Hegseth, personally, in breaking the law in two ways.

First, the training given to deployed troops claimed there were four exceptions to prohibited law enforcement activities that — Breyer found — were incompatible with the PCA. According to trial testimony, those exceptions came “all the way from the top.”

But Major General Sherman’s instructions were not absolute. For instance, the Task Force 51 training materials specified the law enforcement functions prohibited by the Posse Comitatus Act:

Task Force 51 Training Slides at 6. Although the training materials list twelve prohibited functions, Task Force 51 troops were orally instructed that the four functions listed in red—security patrols, traffic control, crowd control, and riot control—were subject to a so-called constitutional exception to the Posse Comitatus Act. Id.; Trial Tr. Vol. II (dkt. 163) at 236:25–238:11; Trial Tr. Vol. I at 60:12–63:12, 63:17–25. This instruction came “all the way from the top of [the Department of Defense] down to Task Force 51.”1

1 Defendants objected to this testimony as privileged. Trial Tr. Vol. II at 280:12–13. By introducing evidence regarding legal advice given by Department of Defense lawyers, however, Defendants waived any assertion of privilege. E.g., id. at 244:19–245:12; see Weil v. Inv./Indicators, Rsch. & Mgmt., Inc., 647 F.2d 18, 25 (9th Cir. 1981).

And Hegseth, by name, ordered an invasion of MacArthur Park that served no purpose other than invading MacArthur Park.

Nor was Task Force 51 deployed only in support of federal enforcement actions. On July 7, approximately 80 Task Force 51 troops participated in a DHS operation, titled Operation Excalibur,3 at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles. Id. at 35:3–24, 99:21–24; Operation Excalibur Slides (Trial Ex. 28). This was DHS’s third attempt at the operation, and Secretary Hegseth himself approved it. 4 Trial Tr. Vol. I at 35:8–14, 103:19–24; Trial Tr. Vol. II at 261:24–262:3. Operation Excalibur involved federal law enforcement officials marching across MacArthur Park while Task Force 51 remained stationed on the outside of the park in military vehicles—Humvees and tactical vehicles—including at two traffic control points to prevent vehicular traffic along a stretch of Wilshire Boulevard. Operation Excalibur Slides at 5; Trial Tr. Vol. I at 35:25–36:1. DHS’s mission in executing Operation Excalibur was “to demonstrate, through a show of presence, the capacity and freedom of maneuver of federal law enforcement within the Los Angeles Joint Operations Area.” Operation Excalibur Slides at 4. And the operation’s purpose was to “enable and protect the execution of joint federal law enforcement missions in a high-visibility urban environment, while preserving public safety and demonstrating federal reach and presence.”

3 Excalibur is, of course, a reference to the legendary sword of King Arthur, which symbolizes his divine sovereignty as king.

4 Initially, Operation Excalibur was planned to take place on Father’s Day and to have Task Force 51 military vehicles stationed on the section of Wilshire Boulevard that runs through MacArthur Park. Trial Tr. Vol. I at 99:25–100:7. Major General Sherman objected to that request for assistance, expressing concern that (1) there would be a large number of people in the park for Father’s Day, (2) Wilshire Boulevard was in the middle of the Park (the operation’s law enforcement area), and (3) the initial proposal to use helicopters would attract large crowds in opposition to the operation. Id. at 100:8–10; Trial Tr. Vol. II at 263:22–264:15. Chief Bovino of the Department of Homeland Security criticized Major General Sherman for his opposition to the initial plan, questioning Sherman’s loyalty to the country. Trial Tr. Vol. I at 103:5–8. This is relevant because Chief Bovino’s accusations of disloyalty go to the state of mind of decisionmakers who are tasked with ensuring that the Posse Comitatus Act is followed.

These were both included in Breyer’s language finding that the intent of the invasion was to use military troops to conduct law enforcement.

In fact, these violations were part of a top-down, systemic effort by Defendants to use military troops to execute various sectors of federal law (the drug laws and the immigration laws at least) across hundreds of miles and over the course of several months—and counting. The instructions to train Task Force 51 on the purported constitutional exception and thereby excuse unlawful military conduct came “all the way from the top” of the Department of Defense. Trial Tr. Vol. II at 283:1–3. And as Major General Sherman testified at trial, federal law enforcement agencies “always wanted military there, and we had plenty of capacity to do that.” Trial Tr. Vol. I at 137:23–25. Accordingly, Secretary Hegseth himself ordered troops to MacArthur Park as a “show of presence” and to “demonstrat[e] federal reach and presence.” Id. at 103:24; Operation Excalibur Slides at 4. Troops drove over a hundred miles to Mecca, where they significantly outnumbered federal law enforcement agents, to support a drug enforcement operation. Trial Tr. Vol. I at 32:9–33:4, 80:19–23; Mecca Storyboard. Troops also drove nearly a hundred miles in a different direction to Carpinteria to set up traffic control points so that federal law enforcement agents could more efficiently execute their search warrant of a cannabis farm. Trial Tr. Vol. I at 84:7–20.24

23 By contrast, some individual examples of Task Force 51’s conduct, like the detention of a veteran at the Wilshire Federal Building, are too isolated to violate the Posse Comitatus Act. The Marines stationed at the Wilshire Building minimized their interaction with the veteran, turning him over to law enforcement authorities at the first possible occasion. Moreover, the record does not indicate that the military’s presence at federal buildings in Los Angeles involved any impermissible law enforcement activity.

24 Even if there is a “constitutional exception” that authorizes the military to engage in law enforcement anywhere in the field under the label of “protection,” these activities would not fall under such an exception. Troops do not serve a protective function when they act as a force multiplier at a “show of presence” (as in MacArthur Park), when they outnumber federal personnel by 100 at a remote location with a low risk of resistance (as in Mecca), or when they are deployed merely to speed up federal operations (as in Carpinteria).

So if the PCA means anything, some entity should throw Hegseth’s sorry ass in prison.

The impossibility of that happening, the impossibility of even considering that happening (Breyer instead went through some hoops to enjoin further violations, treating it civilly) is a testament to how inapt the laws designed to prevent just this kind of invasion are to the moment. Even if there were an entity not subject to federal funding who could arrest Hegseth, even if there were a prison to put him in, Trump would simply pardon his Defense Secretary (as he has floated doing in the past), and Hegseth would be back in charge to illegally invade some other blue state again.

And all that’s before you consider how a law criminalizing using the military to invade states intersects with SCOTUS’ decision in Trump v US, which would give Trump absolute immunity for ordering the military to violate the Posse Comitatus Act. It is a crime to do what Trump did in Los Angeles, but last year SCOTUS made it not a crime. And SCOTUS will soon have to figure out whether things like laws upholding federalism matter at all anymore.

So while Breyer’s opinion is welcome and may give Trump pause, however brief, as he tests other legal theories under which to invade Chicago and Baltimore, the opinion is better understood as an opinion documenting how inapt all these tools are.

Indeed, the opinion is most interesting where Breyer pointed out the ridiculous implications of the Ninth Circuit opinion reversing his earlier order, which adopted a highly deferential standard to Trump’s claims that he needed the Guard to help enforce Federal law.

The impact of Defendants’ argument is largely due to the Ninth Circuit’s reading of § 12406(3) in its order staying this Court’s temporary restraining order pending appeal. In that order, the Ninth Circuit held that courts can review the President’s invocation of § 12406 only to determine (1) if it has a colorable basis and (2) if it is made in good faith. Newsom, 141 F.4th at 1050–51.11 The Ninth Circuit did not clarify these standards further. For example, it did not explain how a plaintiff could challenge—or how a district court could evaluate, especially on an expedited basis in proceedings for preliminary injunctive relief—a presidential invocation of § 12406 for lack of a colorable basis or good faith. Nor does the Ninth Circuit suggest that courts are well positioned to evaluate whether the President acted in good faith, rather than as pretext for federalizing the National Guard.12 The Ninth Circuit also suggested that the President can invoke § 12406(3) if his ability to execute federal law has been “significantly impeded,” rather than the stricter statutory requirement that he be “unable with the regular forces to execute the laws.” Id. at 1052. Thus, under the Ninth Circuit’s test, the President could federalize the National Guard in any number of cases:

  • The President, relying upon IRS data showing that a sizeable percentage of corporations and individuals are using tax shelters to avoid paying taxes, could claim that he is unable to execute the tax laws.13
  • The President, relying upon EPA studies showing that pollution in a river cannot definitively be traced back to a specific manufacturing plant, could claim that he is unable to execute the Clean Water Act.
  • The President, relying upon health data showing the number of individuals who present to hospitals with narcotic-related symptoms, could claim that he is unable to execute the federal drug laws.
  • The President, relying upon anecdotes from state election officials that voting machines are glitching, or that fraud exists, could claim that he is unable to execute the election laws.

In each instance above, the President would have asserted a colorable, good-faith claim. Under the Ninth Circuit’s test, that is all he would need in order to call the National Guard into federal service—and then, under Defendants’ urged interpretation of § 12406(3), use those troops to execute domestic law. Though Defendants initially did not disclose the implications of reading § 12406(3) as a grant of significant presidential discretion (those implications being Defendants’ current position that § 12406(3) is an exception to the Posse Comitatus Act), they have now fully fleshed out their views. In doing so, they make plain the consequences of the Ninth Circuit’s highly deferential reading of the statute

11 This standard purportedly comes from the Supreme Court’s decision in Sterling v. Constantin. Id. (citing 287 U.S. 378, 399–400 (1932)). In Sterling, the Court determined that the governor of Texas had acted lawfully when he restricted oil production across the state. 287 U.S. at 387. Though the Court found that the governor had acted in good faith, it did not set forth any actual test for evaluating executive discretion. Id. at 399–400. Rather, it relied on earlier cases holding that the Executive has inherent discretion by virtue of his role as Commander-in-Chief and his obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Id. (citing Martin v. Mott, 25 U.S. (12 Wheat.) 19, 29–32 (1827), and Luther v. Borden, 48 U.S. (7 How.) 1, 44–45 (1849)). Neither of those cases instructed courts to evaluate whether the Executive had a colorable basis for his actions or whether he acted in good faith. Martin, 25 U.S. at 31; Luther, 48 U.S. at 43–44. Furthermore, as explained below, Martin, Luther, and Sterling’s reliance on the Commander-in-Chief and Take Care Clauses conflicts with the Supreme Court’s more recent interpretation of those Clauses in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952).

12 For instance, the Ninth Circuit’s test would likely enable a President to use federal law enforcement agents to stoke tensions and then use any resistance as justification to call forth the National Guard. As long as the President actually believed that the resistance significantly impeded his ability to execute federal law, it is hard to see how a court could find that he acted in bad faith, especially under the Ninth Circuit’s deferential standard of review. See Good Faith, Black’s Law Dictionary (12th ed. 2024).

13 Incidentally, when Congress debated the Militia Act of 1792—a distant predecessor to § 12406—Representative Abraham Clark posited in opposition that the law would make it “so that if an old woman was to strike an excise officer with her broomstick, forsooth the military is to be called out to suppress an insurrection.” 3 Annal of Cong. at 575 (1792).

Yesterday, a judge ruled that evidence presented at trial showed that Pete Hegseth broke the law in ordering troops to take actions that amount to law enforcement. He criminally ordered troops to help invade MacArthur Park — and tried to ruin Father’s Day as part of the plan!

But the only way in which that law will mean anything is if SCOTUS stops permitting presidents, this President, to invent any bullshit excuse in the service of fascism.

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  1. Rugger_9 says:

    For those who would try to claim ignorance on Whiskey Pete’s part, all officers are trained in PCA restrictions, and as an example the Coast Guard provides the official LEO presence on USN drug interdiction missions.

    If Hegseth ordered the operations, make Convict-1 pardon him in public. Any CA NG officer that participated in these farces should also be court-martialed by Newsom as their CinC. All of them know better, no excuses.

    • PedroVermont says:

      I’ve not yet heard Newsom threaten National Guard officers involved in the LA operation but that its possible. He may be waiting for all the legal stratagems to wind their way through the courts.

    • greengiant says:

      A coworker was in the California National Guard in the Watt’s riots in 1965. He said he killed a man in self defense. I read the Insurrection Act of 1807 was invoked in 1968 in Baltimore. Recently an officer of the Maryland National Guard at the time recalled that after a brick hit a guard member in the face he gave orders to shoot anyone on a roof. As this was broadcast on TV no more bricks were thrown from roofs. Publicly chastised, he was later congratulated on the down low. Trump’s bullshit is bullshit.
      A law commentary link here https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/142-five-questions-about-domestic

      • P J Evans says:

        An acquaintance was in the Guard during the Rodney King riots. He said their firearms were unloaded. Also it was weird being on duty in his own city.

  2. PedroVermont says:

    It will be interesting to see what happens when the ginormous (29 judges) 9th Circuit hears the case. I’m always curious how the juristic artistry and aplomb of the attorneys arguing the case impact the outcome. My supposition is the ideological bent of the court is a greater factor.

    It seems clear the SecDef crossed the line in LA, but as you imply who knows where the legal chips will fall.

    • Ebenezer Scrooge says:

      In law school, they taught me that you win cases on the boring briefs, not the sexy oral argument. However, they also said that it was possible to lose cases in oral argument.

      • PedroVermont says:

        Thank you for sharing your experience. May I ask you- Given the potential importance to a case of legal briefs, are the authors of those more often seasoned attorneys rather than newer staff lower on the totem pole?

  3. BRUCE F COLE says:

    This real-world Catch-22 notwithstanding, one thing the Breyer ruling does provide in real-world terms (at least until SCOTUS also nullifies it as it has other portions of our former democracy) is a clear pretext for Guard troops who want to remove themselves as conscientious objectors from such actions going forward. Just my opinion, of course.

    Troops are currently illegally deployed in DC and the admin’s promise to appeal means they won’t be stood down. Will any of those Guard members summon the courage to stand against their illegal orders? Are there any CO-supporting orgs ready to assist them in that challenge (ACLU e.g.?), and will any such org begin PR outreach to those troops so that they know they have legal allies and support systems?

    The deep irony of this ruling is that “Posse Comitatus” has been a RW theocratic legal meme for decades.
    https://nebraskastudies.org/en/1975-1999/foreclosures-lead-to-violence/posse-comitatus/

    • Rugger_9 says:

      Not only deployed illegally, but the WH is doing it on the cheap with rotating 29-day orders to dodge payments that kick in at 30 days. This is nothing new for the GOP, even Shrub had Joint Base McChord do monthly funerals during the Iraq war to save money for tax cuts.

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        It just dawned on me that since DC isn’t a state, those troops there can likely be excluded from the Breyer ruling…I think. The citizens of DC are otherwise fully US citizens, though…not sure how that would argue-out.

        But the troop-screwings you bring up do provide more incentive for the middle-fingering of their deployments.

      • earthworm says:

        Or:
        inquiring minds would like to know when small “payments” to your commanding officer get you out of serving your disruptive twenty-nine day deployment.?
        rumors have it this is the russian kleptocracy’s solution to military service in ukraine.

        • Rugger_9 says:

          Like saying the Russian troops are ‘missing’ to avoid paying the death benefit. Really, it’s another sign of just how broke Putin is waiting for the collapse of his economy.

  4. MsJennyMD says:

    Thank you Dr. Marcy. Stellar last line: But the only way in which that law will mean anything is if SCOTUS stops permitting presidents, this President, to invent any bullshit excuse in the service of fascism.

  5. cruxdaemon says:

    One wonders if, as happened with Bruen, once the obvious implications of a terribly decided case become clear, as they did in Rahimi, John taney Roberts will gaslight and imply that *of course* Trump v United States didn’t unleash DJT to simply declare war on states that didn’t vote for him.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      So the cognitive dissonance that they have to employ constantly just to get through the monstrous distortions of their everyday lives is somehow reversible? That would require a miracle…so maybe Ginni Thomas would have to give it the go-ahead, right?

      …although, Jim Crow was a cognitive dissonance workaround that lasted a century or so, so why not!

  6. Greg Hunter says:

    “Incidentally, when Congress debated the Militia Act of 1792—a distant predecessor to § 12406….”

    I have to wonder if this is a “dig” at Clarence Thomas’s Bruen decision, where I perceive he does real historical gymnastics to avoid considering the Militia Act of 1792 in his opinion, by cutting off history of the Founders intent at 1791, when the #2A was ratified.

    There are 10 references to 1791 in the Bruen decision. He doth protest too much IMHO.

    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/597/20-843/

    • Super Nintendo Chalmers says:

      I didn’t know about that until I read your comment, which is sad since I used to teach AP US History. The historical intent of the PCA was crystal clear. It became law in 1878, less than 2 years after the corrupt bargain that led to Hayes’ ascension as POTUS over popular vote winner Tilden in exchange for ending Reconstruction.

      It was what White Supremacists wanted and it led to Jim Crow. Ironic now that the same White Supremacists support ignoring it to occupy Blue Cities. IOKIYAR.

      • Greg Hunter says:

        Once one understands history a lot of things become ironic and I am glad I have lived long enough to finally understand our US History, especially the 1865-1878 time frame. It took me two trips to Appomattox Courthouse to figure out the politics of that NPS park and now I can discern that nuance at most of the NPS operations.

        While some historical podcasters are crap, I believe History Impossible and History on Fire attempt to tell an accurate story from the sources they utilize.

        Based on what I see, racism wrecked Southern Public Education and now that same disease is wrecking the entire US.

        • Wild Bill 99 says:

          I believe you have put your finger on the problem. I can only hope the pulse of racism is weakening.

  7. Matt Foley says:

    Last night on ABC TV I saw the ICE recruiting ad. If covid cases start to spike I wonder if Noem will let them go maskless. You know, to keep the Homeland safe and all.

  8. BrrGrrDelux says:

    I find myself unable to suppress a hearty horselaugh at the appearance of the words “President” and “good faith” in the same sentence.

  9. greengiant says:

    There is tear gas in the streets of the US every night outside ICE offices.
    The Trump overreacted in Portland in 2020 amid scenes of BORTAC in khakis chasing people through the streets. They had their asses handed to them when a marshal shot a protester in the forehead and demonstrators went from 100 a night to 4,000 a night. I hope it only takes one Kent State. The Bill Barr bullshit arrests resulted in only 3 people serving Federal time.

  10. Sussex Trafalgar says:

    Great piece as always! Thank you!

    The lesson for the American people is do everything possible not to elect people like Trump to public office because the 2025 version of the SCOTUS appears more interested in using their judicial power to help Trump and the Republican Party survive until the next election cycle rather ruling against him and the Republican Party.

    • Wild Bill 99 says:

      And, thanks to the Federalist Society, the Heritage Foundation, Leonard Leo, Trump and the U.S. Senate, we will be “blessed” for the next 20 to 30 years with right-wing extremist federal judges in many courts.

  11. Ginevra diBenci says:

    Nixon: “When the president does it, it’s not illegal.”

    Our Trump SCOTUS: “When the president does it, it’s in good faith*. Because: President.”

    *Democrats should think twice before testing this presumption.

  12. Ed Walker says:

    That is a terrific opinion. John Roberts and the Fash Five will have to write a whole new set of facts if they want to legalize Trump/Hegseth/Miller’s violations.

  13. Peterr says:

    While expecting the DOJ to go after administration officials who violated the PCA, Breyer’s ruling, if upheld, could credibly be used by Congress in impeachment proceedings against Hegseth, Trump, or both.

    Not saying that it would get far with the present Congress, and even in 2027 it would likely be dead in the Senate as it is hard to imagine the Dems winning enough in 2026 to get them the 67 votes it would take to convict.

    But making Trump a Three-Time Impeached President would certainly stick in his craw.

    • Theseus99 says:

      A bit OT here, but both Trump and Hegseth are likely impeachable, and Hegseth jailable, for the murder in international waters of alleged “narco-terrorists.”

      The entire USN chain of command for that “operation” ought to be court martialed.

  14. BRUCE F COLE says:

    His convictibility, if there is a next impeachment of him, will depend on the size of the Trump-engendered catastrophes swirling about at that point. Neither the call to Zelenskyy that prompted his first Impeachment nor the incitement of J6 that was the charge in the second one resulted in a nation-wide catastrophe that could’ve broken through the vast swath of studious apathy that plagues this country — such that more than a quivering smattering of Republican Senators would deign to smell the burning rubble of our republic they helped destroy and decide, in effect, to piss on its smoldering embers in abject penitence.

    Nah, you’re right. Not gonna happen.

  15. Doctor Biobrain says:

    The main issue on this is that rightwingers judge people for who they are, not what they did. In every case they first determine who was involved and then they know who is right and wrong. That’s why they let Trump do anything because they think he’s on their side.

    Lefties often waste time talking about how a story would be different if it were Biden or Obama, like that’s a gotcha showing rightwing hypocrisy. But that’s the whole point to them. They not only don’t think people should be treated equally, they’re offended if “law abiding citizens” are investigated for their crimes or if “criminals” aren’t immediately punished without a trial. They know who’s guilty just by looking at someone. They say this all the time and it’s been standard in Hollywood going back to the first Dirty Harry movie. They think the Constitution should only protect “good” people and it’s offensive if alleged criminals and illegal immigrants are given any rights at all.

    If President AOC sends troops to put down a rebellion in South Carolina in 2029, I’m assuming the current Supreme Court would rule against her and say she exceeded her authority. It’s only Republican presidents who have immunity. Democratic presidents are on double secret probation and never get the benefit of the doubt.

    • gmokegmoke says:

      “Lefties often waste time talking about how a story would be different if it were Biden or Obama, like that’s a gotcha showing rightwing hypocrisy.”

      I grew up in a family in which one parent was Republican and the other was Democratic. By the time I was 12, I knew that “if it was…” didn’t cut any ice either way. The “hypocrisy” argument has always been a loser to me, especially when the point of pride to an authoritarian is shamelessness.

  16. depressed chris says:

    I wonder how much DoD lawyers were subjected to threats to okay a ” a so-called constitutional exception to the Posse Comitatus Act”? Or were they already true believers? Fellow travelers or fraidy cats?

    State National Guard and Reservists can be subject to spotty training on the “Law of War”, but try that with an actual professional military member who still remembers Iraq and Afghanistan, they will call you on it… especially an academy grad who was taught about My Lai.

    When this is over, Major General Sherman should be court-martialed for following unlawful orders. And for being a supplicant.

    • FunnyDiva says:

      (ETA, oops! I should have read further to the discussion earlier this morning about this event)
      Hmmm…
      Well, maybe the Navy doesn’t get the same training.
      Because *someone* followed an unlawful order to blow up a speedboat full of people, in international waters, about 1000 miles from the US, on suspicion of “drug running” “terrorists”.
      And I’m not seeing much coverage, let alone pushback.

      I can’t help feeling that we’re significantly further towards Pariah State status than we were last week.

      • Wild Bill 99 says:

        In the coming drama, “The US and Israel vs the World”, legality won’t even be a question. We are making other criminal countries look like amateurs.

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  18. Thaihome says:

    Well, the Trump administration just murdered 11 people in a boat driving in international waters. Somebody ought to go to jail for that.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      Yes, indeed. No question this was an illegal order and the best explanation I’ve seen elseweb is that this was intended to provoke Maduro into retaliation so Convict-1 can claim he’s at war with Venezuela.

      Note that this probably filtered down via First Fleet (or perhaps Fifth, but that distinction isn’t important) through the admirals placed there by Whiskey Pete’s purges. Unfortunately for the CO, if the posted Rules of Engagement do not permit weapons-free, shoot on sight action, he’s going to be the fall guy at the back end. No war has been declared. No imminent invasion or attack was in motion by Venezuela, and given how much this WH lies daily I don’t think a single TdA person was on the boat. Where are the drugs? Boats like these leave flotsam that can be tested.

      The other thing to remember in the exercise in deflection by Convict-1 is that spiraling out of his control is a very probable outcome. I can see Vlad or Xi getting one of their vessels waxed as a convenient casus belli for sanctions against the USA (i.e. no rare earth metals for you).

      The after action report will tell us more (if made public, no guarantee with Hegseth) about detection, evaluation, etc. if for no other reason than the CO being aware they’re on the hook as of now.

      • Peterr says:

        My sense is that this was done, first and foremost, so that Trump could be seen by his base as Being Tough. “I blow shit up. I kick butt and take names. You bring a boat to a drug war, and I bring a drone.”

        The old cliche “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail” seems spot on here, and Trump has a damned big hammer — the DOD. In Trump’s first term, there were folks around him that could tell him that every action has ripples and the simple “let’s blow something up” might (and often ‘would’) have dangerous second and third order consequences. Those folks are either gone or biting their tongues, trying to wait out the next three years.

      • Rugger_9 says:

        Expanding on my notes with inputs from the board, this was not only an illegal order but also a violation of the PCA because it appears no USCG officer was on board in addition to any bypassing of search and seizure procedures.

        Career officers are less likely to question orders passed down the chain (I have no doubt some of the cashiered admirals would have said ‘not only no but expletive deleted no’) because they think they’ll have nowhere else to go. It’s a problem that underlies the action.

        One other thing to consider for all of the officers on board is that being in the Atlantic fleet means deployment to the Mediterranean. This is important because the boat’s destruction is potentially a war crime and if alleged, the Spanish authorities in particular have no problem hauling malefactors to justice. Ask Augusto Pinochet.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Hence, Trump’s recent announcement that he would target foreign states for punishment, if they “wrongfully” detain US nationals for their alleged illegal acts.

  19. Savage Librarian says:

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    in the Sleazeball Room
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