The White House Bid to Turn the Charlie Kirk Murder into Their Anti-Trans Jihad

In a Discord chatroom including at least one guy he knew from high school who had recognized Tyler Robinson in the pictures released by Charlie Kirk murder investigators, the accused murderer offered up the now-discredited report about trans bullets, but treated it with irony, just like he ironically claimed to be Kirk himself.

“I heard the ammo had somethin about trans stuff on it, but they aren’t releasing photos or exact quotes,” he wrote. He added: “and also the claim wasn’t backed by the official fbi, just some dude in the briefing room.”

A few minutes later, he joked: “I’m actually Charlie Kirk, wanted to get outta politics so I faked my death, now I can live out my dream life in kansas.”

The comment is deliberately non-committal, like all the others described in the NYT story on the Discord chat. But it is far more reliable evidence than a growing story, sourced to the White House, that one of two Robinson roommates cooperating with the FBI is trans and may even be Robinson’s lover.

The story started with one of the White House and Kash/Bongino’s favorite propagandists, Brooke Singman, whose belated story writing up the allegation she first tweeted out included a self-serving claim from the FBI officials who had nothing to do with finding Robinson, claiming they had instead “zero[ed] in on” him as a subject via the cooperation from the roommate.

FBI officials told Fox News Digital that the FBI had text messages and other communications between Robinson and his partner that helped FBI agents zero in on Robinson. Officials said the FBI took evidence from their apartment, including computers, which has been sent to Quantico for review, Fox News Digital has learned.

It went through the Daily Mail (which took a non-denial as confirmation the roommate was trans) and a NewsMax reporter who directly sourced the claim to Trump. Then, Marc Caputo, who is incredibly well-sourced to people like Susie Wiles and Roger Stone, but who has gotten increasingly credulous at Axios, mainstreamed it.

Authorities are investigating whether Tyler Robinson, suspected of killing Charlie Kirk, believed Kirk’s views on gender identity were “hateful” to people like Robinson’s transgender roommate, six sources familiar with the case tell Axios.

  • Why it matters: Investigators believe Robinson’s anger at Kirk’s views could be a key to establishing a motive for the slaying of the controversial activist whose death sent shockwaves through American politics.
  • Each of the six sources familiar with the investigation told Axios that investigators believe Robinson had a romantic relationship with his roommate.

All this is coming in advance of the expected filing of charges by Utah on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, Steve Bannon has been on a tear because Utah Governor Spencer Cox, rather than Kash Patel, led the press conference announcing Robinson’s arrest the other day.

Did the ppl in the White House inform POTUS that one of his greatest haters, this goofball, girly man, weak governor of Utah, was going to sit there and do the entire briefing on the murder of Charlie Kirk and essentially give us almost no facts and just preach unity with the aggressively LGBTQ governor of Colorado?

Kash Patel is not just a colleague, he’s a very dear and close friend. I think the world of Kash. We don’t know what restrictions he’s under or even his ability to fully articulate what’s happening here. But whoever authorized one of the biggest Trump haters in this country, the governor of Utah, Cox, is a disaster. A true Trump hater, one of the worst in the Republican Party. Folks in Utah need to understand this man has embraced and pushed some of the most dangerous ideologies out there.

Bannon is very specifically demanding a story that a trans cabal killed Charlie Kirk.

There’s a very good reason why Cox was leading the presser and not Kash (besides Kash’s manifest incompetence): Because — as Josh Gerstein and Kyle Cheney noted the other day — as of now there’s no federal nexus to this crime.

The criminal case against the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk will likely play out in a Utah county courthouse, under the control of local prosecutors. But a national audience may very well be watching.

That’s because the alleged shooter, whom authorities identified on Friday as Tyler Robinson, is facing state-level criminal charges. And in Utah — unlike in federal court — criminal trials are routinely televised.

Robinson has been charged with three crimes under Utah law: murder, causing bodily injury with a firearm and obstruction of justice.

It might seem surprising that the case is not a federal one, given the national notoriety of the crime and the FBI’s heavy involvement in the investigation. But homicides can be charged as federal crimes in only a few circumstances — such as an assassination of a federal government official, a killing on federal property or a “hate crime” that was motivated by the victim’s race, religion or another protected characteristic.

The only way it could become a federal charge — the only way that Kash’s FBI would gain primary control over the facts and narrative told — would be if DOJ charged it as a hate crime, as Kash described trying to do in the case of the Robin Westman, the trans woman charged in the Annunciation Catholic School shooting last month, even while deadnaming her throughout.

As we continue to investigate yesterday’s barbaric attack from Robert [sic] Westman, the male subject, our teams have gathered information and evidence demonstrating this was an act of domestic terrorism motivated by a hate-filled ideology.

Some updates:

-Subject left multiple anti-Catholic, anti-religious references both in his manifesto and written on his firearms

-Subject expressed hatred and violence toward Jewish people, writing “Israel must fall,” “Free Palestine,” and using explicit language related to the Holocaust

-He wrote a an explicit call for violence against President Trump on a firearm magazine

The @fbi investigation is still ongoing. We will employ all of our counter-terror tools to ensure this is fully investigated and deterred.

And as promised, we will continue to update when able.

Of course, even if Robinson’s roommate were trans, even if they were in a relationship, the current story would be that because a person who willingly implicated their friend in a death penalty eligible crime, doing the work Kash’s FBI was too incompetent to do, it gives Stephen Miller license to arrest all trans people (or at least Pam Bondi to disarm them), just like he used fraudulent claims about Tren de Aragua to detain hundreds of men with innocent tattoos and send them to a concentration camp in El Salvador.

The alleged trans person here is the only one whose actions are above reproach.

And all that’s before you consider how Kash Patel has done much to make any bid for the death penalty  unsustainable (to say nothing about Federal charges against Westman), given his repeated evocations of love for Kirk, down to promising he would see him in Valhalla (wittingly or unwittingly repeating the words of the far right Christchurch killer).

Unless Robinson were to plead guilty (which would mostly likely only happen if law enforcement promised not to execute him), any such death penalty phase would be riddled with questions about the bias of Kash, Trump, and everyone else leading this case from the federal side. Frankly, the discovery would be epic — and badly discrediting to the FBI and the White House.

We don’t know what motivated Robinson, what turned him from the pro-Trump politics of his family or what appears to have distanced him from the Mormon Church (there has been little conversation about the significance of the fact that Robinson did not do a Mormon mission, but it may be the most important sign of rupture out there).

What we do know is that Stephen Miller wasted no time grieving his beloved friend, but turned immediately to politicizing his death. And Miller has never bothered to let truth drive his political jihads.

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  1. John Forde says:

    With 47 in power the mechanism of Jihad is easier. Kash provides bogus statements that insulate Murdoch from lawsuits. Pseudo-reportage.

  2. RitaRita says:

    Trump didn’t put Kash Patel and Dan Bongino in the FBI because of their significant experience in law enforcement or their administrative skills. They are there to push Trump’s politicization of the FBI and make sure the FBI investigative narrative is consistent with the narrative that Trump wants. I don’t trust them.

    Whatever the shooter’s motive was, the killing was horribly wrong. Just as wrong as the killing of the Minnesota legislator, the Butler assassination attempt, the Pelosi hammer attack, etc. Just as wrong as the numerous school, church, and grocery store shootings. Politicizing the shootings won’t stop them.

    • Savage Librarian says:

      I was thinking the same thing. Guess he doesn’t realize what his voice sounds like either. Tone deaf, I’d say. And his hair. Just sayin’ …

    • Harry Eagar says:

      A very few minutes with Fox and CNN in this morning gave off definite Ernst vom Rath vibes.

      Bannon nominates Antifa to fill the role of the Jews, but that’s too nebulous a target. There is no library of Antifa tattoos.

      Some group is about to feel the wrath of MAGA but it is not clear which group.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Bannon understands the upstream political danger posed by Cox, whose voice was indeed the singular one to break through the chaos last week. Of course, calling him a “girly man” reveals the desperation of the MAGA side in all this, because MAGA is and clearly intends to stay the side of hate and exclusion, while committing the mass armed theft of Christ’s mantle…not of love, but of chosenhood.

      Trump says it’s “for Charlie” now, but he so obviously means himself it’s painful. Cox, with his reminders of Democrat deaths, threatens the whole charade. Bannon can see the political threat. But yes, the desperation reveals how much this Kirk sainthood attempt (St. Charlie hath slain the trans dragon) means to them now.

      It’s the Excalibur against all of it, especially including Epstein.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        The most dangerous consequence of Gov. Cox’s calm professionalism and restraint was how thoroughly at odds it was with the speech and conduct of everyone in Trump’s administration.

        • Dark Phoenix says:

          Unfortunately, it appears someone in Trump’s orbit got to Governor Cox, as the last couple of days he’s switched to repeating the White House line that the killer was “corrupted by his trans roommate”, and is a “leftist”.

    • Ms. Dalloway says:

      Maybe Bannon is a wee bit scared. I’d bet he sees himself as the avatar of Charlie Kirk — only now a possible target of the hate and violence he stokes every day, violence he may have thought (contrary to what he preaches) exists solely on the extreme right, his “peeps,” who, to coin a phrase, aren’t there to hurt HIM.

    • MsJennyMD says:

      Radical adult men radicalizing young men. A vicious cycle of abuse.

      Bannon, We Build the Wall scammer and far-right influencer is a convicted felon. Three of his partners in the project are serving time in prison. Bannon pardoned sitting behind a microphone spewing hate and bigotry from his podcast entitled Bannon’s War Room.
      Warring on the inside is warring on the outside.

      “Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy.”
      Steve Bannon

        • Ms. Dalloway says:

          I think Bannon spent time in Hollywood — he first made serious money buying the rights to Seinfeld reruns when nobody thought they’d be worth much. But I’m sure his lack of identifiable talent and his sparkling personality made breaking into upper levels of the industry close to impossible, a very large chip added to others probably already on his overclothed shoulder. All Trump’s minions reflect him and his buried homicidal rage at being the mediocrity he is. If they’re not worshipped as the gods they so desperately want to be in this world, they’re happy to destroy it.

  3. Lucy_14SEP2025_1116h says:

    He may have not gone on a mission because of his own choices, but he also may not have been eligible based on the standards required by LDS authorities such as engaging in premarital sex or drug use (these are examples, not based on this case). Those who aren’t recommended for a mission may still be members of the church.

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      • Thequickbrownfox says:

        Exactly. Only a minority of LDS youth go on a mission. Missions are a ticket to ‘elder’, and a major reason that some familes push their young men in that direction. It’s as much political as it is religious. Once having served a mission, the returning ‘Brother’ has a better chance of moving upwards within the hierarchy of the LDS.

        • P J Evans says:

          There were, for a while, some Mormon missionaries living in my apt building. It got to be more than they could afford – their housing allowances aren’t set for places like L.A. – but they seemed to be good people.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          The standard two-year mission (for men) generates a lot of effects for the Mormon Church. For starters, there’s the proselytizing. It considerably extends the networks of the church, missionaries in general, and the individual missionary. it gives the church an enormous base of foreign language fluency to work with. It supports the church’s foreign branches and gives it an international presence it would not otherwise have.

        • Harry Eagar says:

          A somewhat unexpected (by me, anyway) result of going on missions is that there is a segment of LDS young people who fell in love with the foreign places they were sent. This happened to my nieces.

          As a consequence, they were horrified when it began to appear that the standard bearer of the conservative party was going to be an anti-foreign bigot.

          They frantically tried to organize a Mormon anti-trump faction in 2016. A small but interesting minority in the LDS church.

          (Another curious consequence is that Provo is one of the best places in the country to enjoy foreign cuisine.)

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          One of the weirdest things that has happened to me was to be on a plane whose passengers were mostly composed of Mormon missionaries and their adult handlers. The girls (these kids were HS age acting like middle-schoolers) were fawning all over the guys, calling them “~Elder~ So-and-so” and everyone was giggling voraciously, probably over 100 kids on a single-aisle plane. The lady I was seated next to was a minder, and she was very nice. I can roughly date the flight because she showed me a pre-release video on her laptop of Napoleon Dynamite, before its Sundance release, as I recall.

          The lady was very outgoing and talked through the movie about Mormon life (I had told her my childhood neighbors in Spokane were Mormon. She got quiet and studious, though, during the dance scene. She came back around during the 4H scenes, cow udders dominating conversation for several long minutes.

          That’s apropos to the conversation only in the sense that the shooter is one of their own, and they are facing a “This does not compute” episode. There’s a good chance the trans workaround is just that, an attempt to make it not about one of them but about the devils in their midst corrupting their children.

          Meanwhile, the wife of the slain agitator declares war, telling the Whomever, “Here comes the hell you’ve unleashed,” or words to that effect. I hope someone is looking after her kids.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          While there are exceptions, most Mormons starting their missionary period have graduated high school. Bruce F. Cole’s anecdote, if accurate, would be unusual.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          As I noted, I was judging them by their sophmoric behavior. “…these kids *seemed* HS age,” tough, would have created an illusion that I know anything whatsoever about Mormon missionary protocols.

          I did learn, however, how to French kiss at a Mormon mixer back in ’63. It was revelatory.

        • Thequickbrownfox says:

          “Baptism and confirmation are necessary to be considered LDS, not hereditary lineage.”

          Everyone that dies will be baptized, and only the soul of the dead can object. For those of us whose attachment to LDS can be traced back before Utah, before Missouri, before Nauvoo even, it’s something of a ‘special case’, as my LDS cousins would explain to me. It’s something of a big deal to have ancestors at or near to the very beginning of the faith.
          Somewhat creepy, to me, but that pre-pioneer ancestry is important to the Church.

      • Thequickbrownfox says:

        One of the ‘things’, is “Mormon nice”. It’s actually real.

        Note: The LDS considers me to be Mormon, because my paternal grandmother was born LDS.

        • Matt_15SEP2025_0404h says:

          Baptism and confirmation are necessary to be considered LDS, not hereditary lineage.

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        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          Mormon nice is real. So is the Mormon rumor network, which may have played a part in identifying the shooter. LDS insiders have long said that it travels faster than the internet, even now.

          See Jack Olsen, “Doc.” Fascinating deep dive into a Mormon community’s response to a rapist doctor, himself a Baptist, whom many LDS women protected while vilifying others of their own faith who tried to stop him.

  4. Bugboy321 says:

    “FBI officials told Fox News Digital that the FBI had text messages and other communications…”

    The media keeps getting statements from the Feds, but can anyone explain whether not anyone from the FBI has stated on what grounds they are involved? Seems like it’s not their jurisdiction, but then again “sanctuary cities” are all about State’s Rights too, dontchaknow. I mean they’ve been saying it’s political, but really? Is that the official line? For a podcaster?

    It all reminds me of when Rush died, these people think EVERYONE loves him.

  5. Matt___B says:

    An ABC news report I read just before I read this post says this:

    The Utah governor, who has been the public face of the investigation, also confirmed reports Saturday that the suspect’s roommate is transitioning from male to female.

    “We can confirm that, that his roommate was indeed a boyfriend who is transitioning from, from male to female. That’s, that’s information that the FBI had, had mentioned yesterday. We can confirm that as well. And that, that, that he is cooperating with, with authorities as well,” he said.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/utah-governor-alleged-kirk-shooter-cooperating-authorities/story?id=125552756

    So…the governor of Utah (who Steve Bannon hates) confirms the trans story as originally reported by the FBI. Hmm…a little confusing.

    • Cheez Whiz says:

      Past evidence is that Republican officials who want to stay in office (and avoid the death threats) get with the Presidential program or else. Most likely this trans roomate exists, whether “he” (nice touch there) is a “boyfriend” (what?) is an open question.

    • P J Evans says:

      The governor of Utah also said that the shooter was on the left, so the truthfulness of his statements is questionable.

      • Raven Eye says:

        I appreciate that someone who has an actual jurisdictional interest (Gov. Cox) is speaking to the public — rather than leaving it to the FBI puppies who are trying to stick their collective noses through the picket fence. However, I think Cox goes a bit far in his “analysis”. It’s almost like he’s intentionally trying to taint the jury pool. He needs to dial down the speculative elements of his comments.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Has anyone made an argument for why the alleged sexuality of Robinson’s roommate is relevant to his politics or his willingness to commit murder? I haven’t seen it.

      • ernesto1581 says:

        No. Nor has there been any indication of where the young man may have honed his shooting skill. The 30.06 is a popular deer/game rifle so maybe it was out hunting with dad. An accurate hit at 150 or so yards is well within range of most commonly available cartridges — toward the shorter end of range, in fact.

      • wa_rickf says:

        Go to Fox News comments – you’ll see THEIR argument for why it’s relevant.

        …as if knowingly voting for an adjudicated sexual assaulter and court sentenced felon for POTUS is not indicative of mental illness.

      • emptywheel says:

        If the killer timed his shot to Charlie Kirk’s attack on trans people it is relevant.

        That doesn’t mean a trans cabal planned the attack. it means someone who believes in the humanity of trans people acted against someone who was dehumanizing trans people.

        • emptywheel says:

          I mean think of the death penalty phase, if true.

          Robinson gets to argue he believed that unless he killed his friends would be killed.

          Not exculpatory, all. I condemn this murder.

          Does it muddle the death penalty? Does it make for good TV? Do right wingers really want to put Charlie Kirk’s stated beliefs on trial?

        • Greg Hunter says:

          It would not be hard to believe that a highly intelligent kid that grew up exposed to the MAGA gun culture, the KJV and Mormonism might not attempt a Leopold sans Loeb. Or should I say pull a Halo without telling a soul?

          Mormons were told they were the lost tribes and now the youth know that was just a lie; however, they have had the task of linking the Book of the Mormon to the KJV since their founding, while sending their youth traveling the world to swear their most recent encounter with the god of Abraham is the key.

          If there has been any group of people to know the god of Abraham is bull it’s the Mormon youth and that is no lie. I can see a young Morman man pulling the trigger on Charlie Kirk as he was the head of a group that was intolerant of US Citizens living as human beings.

        • wa_rickf says:

          There still is “not a solid understanding” of how the personal relationship factors into the attack, the official said.

          Asked on CNN how the roommate’s transitioning was relevant to the suspect’s motive, Cox said, “That’s what we’re trying to figure out right now.”

          “It’s easy to draw conclusions from that, and so we’ve got the shell casings, other forensic evidence that is coming in and trying to piece all of those things together,” Cox said.

          “We’re all drawing lots of conclusions and how someone like this could beradicalized,” Cox told “Meet the Press.” “And I think that those are those are important questions for us to ask, and important questions for us to answer.”

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/utah-governor-shares-details-charlie-kirk-assassination-investigation-rcna231022
          ======
          Either Governor Cox very ignorant by misgendering a trans person, or willfully provocative to score points with the Right.

          Clearly believing in the humanity of trans people by acting against someone who was dehumanizing trans people is a concept too foreign for this guy.

          As I wrote last Thursday, this event is a moral conundrum for me and I am conflicted.

        • ernesto1581 says:

          ? Was Kirk’s show possibly being live streamed and you’re suggesting a momentary coincidence? Or rather that Robinson was aware of the tenor of Kirk’s trans position, generally speaking?

        • Memory hole says:

          “If the killer timed his shot to Charlie Kirk’s attack on trans people it is relevant.”

          I don’t know how the sound system was set up at the event. But, it seems unlikely that at the distance of the shot, that Robinson would have been listening in for cues to time his shot.

          As opposed to getting a clean view while also factoring in the immediate situation for his escape route.

        • Jack Assels says:

          emptywheel, September 14, 2025 at 4:46 pm, wrote:
          “I mean think of the death penalty phase”

          I’m neither a lawyer nor a Utahn, but my reading of the Utah Code’s definition of “aggravated murder” (https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S202.html) suggests that this particular murder doesn’t fit under any of the qualifying requirements, so the death penalty should not be on the table.

        • Harry Eagar says:

          Professor Wheeler asks; ‘Do right wingers really want to put Charlie Kirk’s stated beliefs on trial?’

          It sure sounds as if they do. I have been treated to a sort of lumpen-TPUSA view through the FB posts of a rightwing friend from high school. Notably, they all say they have listened to Kirk for years (and these are not kids) and they never, ever — land sakes — heard anything racist out of him.

          The only question in their minds is whether Kirk should be canonized or deified.

        • Savage Librarian says:

          As far as Utah Code is concerned, my WAG is that one or both of the following might be used to claim it was aggravated. In the case of iii, others could have been injured if the target had not been struck. And in the case of xviii, while there was no torture, there was serious bodily injury. But I guess we’ll learn more tomorrow.

          Utah Code Section 76-5-202

          2)
          (a) An actor commits aggravated murder if the actor intentionally or knowingly causes the death of another individual under any of the following circumstances

          iii) the actor knowingly created a great risk of death to another individual other than the deceased individual and the actor.

          xviii) the actor committed homicide in an especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or exceptionally depraved manner, any of which must be demonstrated by physical torture, serious physical abuse, or serious bodily injury of the deceased individual before death.

        • wa_rickf says:

          Dan Bongino is trying to create a conspiracy that the person that asked Kirk the question about trans mass shooters at the time of the event, and Tyler, were tag-teaming.

    • emptywheel says:

      The claim of a trans roommate may not be via FBI. UT has precedence on this investigation. More importantly, the trans (or gay) status of someone in UT is often widely known.

      And Cox has explicitly tried to distance this killing from Mormon culture, so that is a way to do it. Certainly the timing (the shot just as Kirk mentioned trans people) would support that this is about trans people. But the rest of the clues that have been reported so far are gamer clues — clues that suggest the trans motivation may nest in the gamer culture. That is, he had a nihilist hero complex from the games that manifested because he recognized the humanity of a trans person.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        Do we know that the shooter could have heard Charlie Kirk (or the question) from the shooting position on the roof?

        I have wondered about this since it happened. It seemed either a *huge* coincidence–exploitable by many, as we’ve seen–or some damn sharp hearing and timing.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      A relative and friend turned Charlie Kirk in, which is not the same as turning himself in. At least he didn’t try for suicide by cop.

      • Matt Foley says:

        Robinson’s father recognized him from the photos released by the FBI and told him to turn himself in. Robinson refused at first, but then changed his mind, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. His father contacted their youth pastor, who also occasionally works with the U.S. Marshals and called the agency so Robinson could turn himself in.

        https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-shooter-search-utah-governor-21ba12bbf01579fd2fbcdbe1da03dae5

        • Wild Bill 99 says:

          Something I read said that a pastor friend of the family who also worked with local law enforcement recognized Robinson from the photos and contacted his father who confronted him to turn himself in. Tyler said he would rather die so the pastor and local law interceded and took him into custody.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          The news media seems uninterested in properly assigning agency. It’s sources are all over the place.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        earl, was this a Freudian slip? or just, you know, the plain old kind:

        “A relative and friend turned Charlie Kirk in…”

  6. HonestyPolicyCraig says:

    I guess no one in our federal government is able to stop the white christian nationalist who are proclaiming war on anything that doesn’t look and act like them. It isn’t even fascism. This is looking more like the crusades.

    I am sorry to say that the motivation of this murder will never be clear and does not matter. It is becoming find someone or some group of people and punish them. We are in a cycle of punitive behavior. Doesn’t matter why, what or who. Just go punish someone? It is stupid time. Can’t read, write, play, create, edit, or appreciate the world around you, just go fuck up someone’s life.

    This is headed to a very bad place. And our president is in the throws of dementia.

    • Rayne says:

      Explain what new idea or fact your comment offers and examines in relation to the post above.

      Because it looks like you’re sliding into demoralization and it’s a time suck here.

      • CitizenSane77 says:

        So people should only comment if they have a new idea or fact to offer? Maybe add a banner of comment rules then?

        Not sure why this guy got singled out, or why it’s so tempting to act as the elitist legal analysis soup Nazi.

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  7. Kenneth Fanyo says:

    125 people are killed by gunfire in the US every day. The 500 or so who have been killed since Kirk? Not a ripple. I have trouble seeing any problem here greater than this. I mean, are we socializing mortality here? ffs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • Rayne says:

      I noted in a previous thread that approximately 3 women are killed every day by current or former domestic partners, and half of those deaths are gun deaths. This has remained consistent for more than a decade.

      The White House could give a shit about that because Team Trump can’t spin it into something positive to retain power — if that’s what you mean by “socializing mortality.”

      • Savage Librarian says:

        “Sy Hersh: I Knew Richard Nixon Beat His Wife in 1974, But Did Not Report the Story” – Democracy Now!, 6/20/18

        “Soon after President Richard Nixon resigned in 1974, Seymour Hersh got a call from a source at a California hospital. He learned that Nixon had beaten his wife so severely in 1974 that she sought treatment at an emergency room. Hersh did not report the story. Years later, he received criticism for this choice. We speak with Sy Hersh in New York City.

        He says of his decision not to report on Nixon beating his wife, “I was obtuse to the notion that it was a crime. … I didn’t get it.”

        https://www.democracynow.org/2018/6/20/sy_hersh_i_knew_richard_nixon

      • Kenneth Fanyo says:

        Sorry. I meant we’re giving all that grief and attention to the death of one that could have just as reasonably gone to everyone that has died. It seems much the dynamic of disproportionate wealth going to the so-called 1%..

        I’d be very fond of being thought of as a great person. Being thought of as a great corpse is just pretty cringy.

        Kirk was a cheerleader, an Emagagelical, if you will. If Tony Robbins were murdered, he would be more mourned. Kirk is being waved like a battle flag for the outraged that scream not for the loss of a cherished person, but the loss of an asset at an inopportune time. But they’re both different sides of the same dodecahedron–social manipulation.

        Valhalla…whoowee…

        • wa_rickf says:

          I read over the weekend there was hopeful desire that Kirk would be POTUS some day and now that opportunity is lost.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          reply to wa_rickf:

          Not so sure. The way we’re going (see Rayne’s post re: current POTUS’s health, or lack thereof), we might just go all the way and elect a corpse.

  8. zscoreUSA says:

    I was curious about why FBI was involved in a homicide case. Kash Patel made a comment at the presser about the public demanding an investigation, which seemed odd.

    Also, at the presser Patel thanked FBI “special operators”. Who would that be? “Special operators” makes me think of Special Operations Forces, with kinetic operations and psychological operations.

    The FBI Salt Lake Field Office, along with our offices in L.A., Phoenix, Denver, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, our headquarters component in Quantico, all participate in the FBI. I want to express my deep gratitude to the employees of the FBI: the men and women, the evidence response team tacticians, the special operators, the agents, the support staff. You have done monumental work in historic time when the public—who had a right to demand such an expeditious solving of an investigation—the FBI answered that call diligently.

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches-and-testimony/director-patel-remarks-september-12-press-conference-utah-valley-university-shooting

    • zscoreUSA says:

      Also, Bannon was critical of how Patel conducted the presser. On Saturday morning, Sept 13, Bannon posted on Gettr, a reference to his previous Sept 12 morning Warroom comments about Patel and the presser and how Bannon doesn’t care about comments about working with LEO, he wants details and a narrative.

      “Bannon suggested he wanted more details about the suspect and any possible accomplices.”

      Bannon linked to this 9/13/25 6:00am Fox News article, which quotes Bannon and his Friday morning Warroom comments.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kash-patel-under-scrutiny-misreporting-charlie-kirk-suspects-capture

      https://archive.is/p2Xwy
      https://archive.is/kj9HH

    • Savage Librarian says:

      It’s my understanding that law enforcement in Utah (and possibly even the Governor, Spencer Cox) believed that the potential perpetrator(s) were not from Utah. They believed individuals or a group had entered the state from elsewhere. Consequently, they would have crossed state lines. And that would make it a federal crime.

      When they realized that was not the case, that changed the jurisdiction.

      • zscoreUSA says:

        Do you have a source?

        That would also raise questions about where LEO and Governor Cox received that false information, and whether the source brought the false information intentionally to give FBI jurisdiction.

        • Savage Librarian says:

          Sorry, I can’t recall. I know I read it, though. It also referred to Cox finding it especially distressing that the suspect is from Utah.

        • zscoreUSA says:

          Reply to earlofhuntingdon:

          Savage Librarian commented about the belief that the shooter crossed state lines.

        • Savage Librarian says:

          To zscore:

          I haven’t been able to remember (or find) where I read the article about investigators believing state lines were crossed. But the Suspect tab in this wiki says Tyler Robinson mentioned CA. So, I’m only speculating, but maybe it had something to do with that.

          “Killing of Charlie Kirk” – Wikipedia

          “Robinson had also claimed that the shooter was from California and pretended that he was Kirk by claiming he had faked his death to retire from political activism.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Charlie_Kirk

        • Reader 21 says:

          I read something similar as Savage L, I believe McCay Coppins’ reporting on the Governor in the Atlantic, IIRC.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Only if the alleged perp or perps crossed state lines while furthering their conspiracy. There are a lot of other reasons to cross state lines. Robinson, for example, lives in SW Utah, close to the borders with Arizona and Utah.

    • ExRacerX says:

      You don’t have to use your imagination—using a search engine that doesn’t start with a “G” would have revealed the FBI has a Special Operations Group.

      Hell, you could have even found that information on their website.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        The FBI calls its special operations group its Critical Incident Response Group. It’s an umbrella organization that includes a Tactical Section, comprised of HRT, SWAT, and a team of specialist negotiators.

        In referring to special operators, Patel seemed to be bragging and cosplaying, while referring to SWAT, presumably in the field with local leos, and the other two units, which may have been on call.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Critical_Incident_Response_Group

      • zscoreUSA says:

        Thanks, and youre correct I should have gone to Google before commenting, my mistake.

        I was previously aware of SWAT and HRT, and there have been some updates in recent years.

    • Frank Probst says:

      Not an expert on this, so please don’t treat it as gospel, but I think the FBI can get involved if local law enforcement asks them for help. Immediately after the shooting, I suspect local law enforcement–knowing an assassin was on the loose–would have asked for assistance.

  9. wa_rickf says:

    Kash Patel 4:40 PM · Sep 13, 2025
    ( via the jumping dorks social platform)

    Against all law enforcement recommendations, we demanded the video footage and enhanced stills of the suspect be released to the public.

    ========

    Really? What law enforcement agencies would not want an APB bulletin released? Ka$h is t trying to take credit for capturing Tyler, when in fact, his dad turned him in. Ka$h’s argument is Tyler turned himself because ka$sh released the video and photo “against all law enforcement recommendations.”

    Patels small-d energy is noted. This phenomena seems to be ramped with the “alphas” in Trump’s administration, including Trump.

  10. earlofhuntingon says:

    I assume Utah’s Governor Cox ran the presser because state and local law enforcement did the lion’s share of the work to investigate, find, and arrest Tyler Robinson. The FBI appeared poorly informed and staffed, and always seemed an hour late to the party. Patel/Bongino did SFA, except distract their staff and offer a reward late in the game. Not to mention, as EW points out, this is a state law crime.

    • Ms. Dalloway says:

      It seems Patel was following the lead of Dear Leader: screw the investigation/trade talks/diplomacy up royally, then, if and when the professionals succeed, swan in and take the credit. This looks like Trump’s playbook for getting himself a Nobel, “fixing” crime, immigration and goosing the economy, but his screw-ups are becoming so huge and he clings to them so tightly no success will be possible, no matter whose work he takes credit for.

    • Reader 21 says:

      Yes—Andrew McCabe spoke to this, the heavy personnel toll an FBI director-visit entails, and why it’s almost never done in the middle of an ongoing investigation—you’re stripping resources away from chasing down leads to tend to the principal (visiting after the investigation has concluded is different), on Allison Gill’s podcast. Making it worse, his deputy also went out there, with his security detail.

  11. Benoit Roux says:

    It bothers me that even Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, who has been more restrained in his comments, described Tyler Robinson, as a “very normal young man” who appeared to have been “radicalized” by a “leftist ideology”. Until the portrait is complete, I think that it is dangerous to speculate freely about the motivation of this person. There is a piling on that is definitely not reassuring. They were waiting for an even, almost any event, to trigger this reaction. They tried with the tragic death of the young Ukrainian refugee woman who was fatally stabbed by a homeless person suffering from mental illness in North Carolina, but it could only go so far. They have been truly ghoulish with the tragic events of the past week.

      • Reader 21 says:

        Yes—Loomer recently accused Kirk of betraying trump “stabbing him in the back”—she’s since tried to delete that tweet, along with a bunch of others.

    • John B.*^ says:

      When I heard that the governor of Utah claimed Tyler Robinson was radicalized by leftist ideology, even though all the reporting was that he came from a conservative Christian Mormon, maga family, was that Caligula Grendel had got to the Utah governor and told him to get with the program. I know that sounds nuts, but that’s the first thing I thought of.

  12. zscoreUSA says:

    Kash Patel’s invocation of “Valhalla” also stood out to me. Valhalla comes up in Qanon lore, by some not all, of the followers.

    From Qanon researcher Poker and Politics:
    https://archive.is/qI0YQ

    Kash Patel, who has been close to Mike Flynn and Ezra Cohen-Watnick (and I have been wondering if also had a connection to Mike Benz) also has a history of promoting Qanon. So I don’t think Patel’s invocation is incidental, he knows what he is doing.

    Patel signing a book with a Qanon slogan: https://archive.is/8axrq

    From Alex Kaplan and Media Matters:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/truth-social/how-devin-nunes-and-kash-patel-appealed-qanon-extremists-build-truth-socials-user-base

    Valhalla, and pagan mythology, and New Age mysticism, were appropriated and important to the growth of the Nazis in the 1930’s.
    https://scholarworks.bgsu.edu/irj/vol7/iss1/6/

    Coincidentally, here is a good breakdown questioning how the shooter brought the gun and escaped with the gun to the woods, and criticism of Kash Patel’s handling of the investigation. The YouTuber is prominently displaying a Valhalla flag and shirt.

    I don’t know this YouTuber, and I don’t want to imply that everyone invoking Valhalla is a part of Qanon or Nazis. That would definitely not be true.

    But this YouTuber video analysis raises credible questions about what happened and the FBI narrative over what happened.
    https://youtu.be/hkhFxLhxaRU

    • wa_rickf says:

      “Valhalla” is from Norse mythology – a term that has been co-opted by the alt-right.

      In Norse mythology, it is a resting place where brave warriors reside eternally after dying in battle.

      Kash Patel’s use of the word is asinine. It suggests that Kirk was warrior who died in battle (delivering misinformation and mischaracterization to college kids in Orem, UT does not a warrior dying in battle make), further it assigns Christian Nationalist Kirk eternal resting place to somewhere that is not Heaven.

      • Ms. Dalloway says:

        Oh, Kash. Do you really think the Kewl Kids are going to let you, a man of color, into their Neo Nazi Hall of Heroes Eternal Video Game? Their Valhalla is for white people only, not the likes of you, no matter how far you get your nose up Trump’s ass.

  13. earlofhuntingdon says:

    What we do know is that Stephen Miller wasted no time grieving his beloved friend, but turned immediately to politicizing his death. And Miller has never bothered to let truth drive his political jihads.

    From her public statements, the same is true of Charlie Kirk’s grieving widow, Erika Kirk, who seems obsessed with assuming his mantle and exceeding his power. That should not surprise me, given that the 2012 Miss Arizona claimed that competing in beauty pageants was her way of “contributing to the community.”

    • wa_rickf says:

      Erika Frantzve

      Only this morning did all of her socials and Wiki page become Erika “Kirk.”

      Talk about trying to benefit from this tragic event.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          In the blood of the lamb, she shall be washed Kirk. (Kirk means church, conveniently enough.)

          I noticed the name change the night of her “address” delivered behind what seemed like a home altar, dedicated to further canonizing St. Charlie and also, not coincidentally, herself. It would serve their followers well to actually *read* the Gospels, instead of taking the Kirks’ word for it that their ideology is what Christ really meant.

          Grifters. Just like “Chosen of God” Trump. Whose favorite pastor, Paula White, preaches the Prosperity Gospel–also not something found in the New Testament.

      • Joe Orton says:

        I’ve thought about the grift part of Kirk’s life’s work lately. He appears to have been an extremist RW grifter and a Christianist grifter. His about face on the pedophile Epstein at Trump’s request is notable as a grifty calculation. So there is the loss of that reliable gravy train to his family’s lifestyle.

    • P-villain says:

      She practically climbed into the coffin with him, crawling over his body to turn his death into a recruiting event and assign herself the role of successor. Baby needs a new pair of shoes!

      • wa_rickf says:

        Kirk was that rare cunning individual who used his intelligence for evil.

        Erika doesn’t seem to be his equal. Thankfully.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Demagogues come in all shapes and sizes. I’ll hold any relief that Erika might not be as effective as Charlie.

          As for rarity, this administration is populated by those who use intelligence and cunning for evil.

        • Ms. Dalloway says:

          And she’s, y’know, a girl. She’s meant to submit (per Charlie), not lead. The MAGA boys will pat her on the head and find another dude to take over Kirk’s kingdom.

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to Ms. Dalloway
          September 15, 2025 at 11:39 am

          I’m sure TPUSA’s sponsors/big donors are already scouting new talent.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          An aggressive cancer that must be destroyed.
          It’s not going to happen at the ballot box or at the parliament.
          Demonstrations have done zero so far, except to make him more aggressive.
          How else?
          “Former PM Ehud Barak calls for mass public protest: “Netanyahu has gone off the rails! The much foreseen diplomatic tsunami is here, the outcome of the failures of a confused, reckless man. The original Sparta, the “Thousand-Year Reich,” and the “Super-Sparta” of South Africa— all were wiped out. “Super-Sparta” is the end of the Israeli state: economically, politically, and militarily. Bibi, go home! Only bringing the country to a complete stop can save us before we all fall into the abyss together.”
          https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1967603314381443136

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          “Netanyahu just compared Charlie Kirk to his [Netanyahu’s] brother, Jonathan, who fell in Entebbe [Israeli raid to free hijacked/kidnapped Air France passengers] at age 30. “These people come around once a century.” Now he is complaining at great length about his and his family’s victimisation by “daily death threats.””
          https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1967541200413737126

      • xyxyxyxy says:

        Speaking of baby and that we should care about his wife and children.
        He didn’t for any mother and children, whether separating mothers/fathers and children by deportation of legal or illegal people, gun violence.
        Spare me the tears of his wife and children, may they rot in hell if they continue to carry his hate messages.

    • Molly Pitcher says:

      Kirk’s replacement stepped in today, and broadcast from the White House. JD Vance has finally found something to do besides go on vacation. Yes, you read that correctly, from the White House.

  14. RitaRita says:

    The NY Times reporting on Governor Spencer Cox’s statements also includes their own reporting. It seems that the shooter spent a lot of time on the internet, in social chat forums, and gaming. He felt comfortable enough in his Discord group to joke about being the shooter. His chat group expressed surprise that he was the shooter. It is looking like he was “radicalized” on-line instead of at his one semester at Utah State.

    I’m not sure that I would trust the Governor of a deeply conservative, religious state like Utah to know what radical leftist ideology looks like. It is a lot easier to make universities conform to conservative ideology by withholding funding than to bring the internet to heel. It should be interesting in a frightening way to watch the Trump administration try.

    There seems to be a nexus between the internet (gaming, social forums, etc), young, emotionally immature men, and shootings. I doubt that the Trump Administration cares to explore that nexus when it can score political points by pointing at popular punching bags. Besides it would require hard work and competence, high is in short supply in Trump World.

    • Sandor Raven says:

      “There seems to be a nexus between the internet (gaming, social forums, etc), young, emotionally immature men, and shootings.”

      The Narcissism of the Angry Young Men
      What to do about the deadly misfits among us? First, recognize the problem.
      The Atlantic
      January 29, 2023
      By Tom Nichols

      Note that this is from 2023. There is a “gift article” available on his bluesky from about two days ago.

      • RitaRita says:

        Tom Nichols practiced anticipatory plagiarism?

        Thanks for the article. Tom Nichols and Alexandra Petri are two reasons I’m thinking of subscribing to The Atlantic.

  15. StanH_14SEP2024_1309h says:

    Cox is playing Cicero against Trump’s Cataline Conspiracy. (sorry, immersed in Mary Beard’s History of Ancient Rome which inspires a new name for Trump: cloaca maximus).

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  16. wa_rickf says:

    I’m sick-to-death of the Rwingers trying to affix the label “radicalization” to the Left. It is the Right that indoctrinates kids into a gun / bigotry / hate culture.

    The Right’s lack of self-awareness and projection is very frustrating for me.

  17. dozer2222 says:

    When Trump heard of Charlie Kirk’s shooting did he wonder if it was done on his behalf to provide the required level of distraction to finally pry angry MAGA eyes off the Epstein saga? A gift of distraction that Trump has not been able to manage despite his best efforts? A distraction that provided Trump with headroom to continue weakening the US at home and on the world stage? Such a gift would be hugely helpful to any and all in the dictator’s club who’ve grown increasingly adept at the hybrid-warfare art of social-media grooming of the susceptible. Such grooming has paid big dividends from Brexit, to the Tea Party->MAGA conversion, to Trump 1.0, and now Trump 2.0 with its untold damage to the US economy, human rights, and our global alliances. All of the above being of huge benefit to our adversaries.I have long suspected that all this grooming of Manchurian-candidates coupled with American gun-culture has inadvertently (prematurely) triggered a few of them out of their internet-gamer gunning practice and into grabbing dad’s AR-15 to kill “somebody”. The “susceptible” have been young, socially inept, bullied loners who, once inadvertently triggered, go for nearby easy targets, such as elementary schools. I’m offering this as a “ponderable” explanation for school shootings.
    Back to my beginning ponder: did one of our hybrid-warfare-savvy adversaries decide to prompt/trigger one of their groomed Manchurian-candidate assets into taking out Charlie Kirk, thus overpowering the Epstein-Maxwell news cycle, thus providing Trump with the headroom needed to continue his democracy demolition?Ever since Cambridge Analytica provided tools to harvest lists of social media denizens divisible by personality types and political predispositions it has been possible to pump tailored propaganda, misinformation, and manipulation into the eyes and minds of a curated subset of Americans without the rest of us even getting to SEE it. That’s 10 years of exposure. A 22 year old chosen to take out Charlie Kirk could have been just 12 years old when first exposed. 
    Just sayin.

    Also going to go drop this hypothesis/thought experiment on Steven Hassan’s site. He’s had first hand experience helping LDS members escape the cult-like grip.

  18. Zinsky123 says:

    I don’t know why Steve Bannon was so upset with Governor Cox – Cox is still in front of the media, days after this killing, spreading innuendo and rumor about Robinson’s presumed “trans” roommate. Cox has been a willing dupe for Trump’s homophobic narrative despite the gratuitous Kumbaya words he said during the “we got him” press conference. I suppose this is all of the grace and decency we can expect to see out of a modern Republican politician.

      • Rayne says:

        That. Discussion about guns has been non-existent — like whose gun was it, why wasn’t in a gun safe if it didn’t belong to Robinson, how did his parents’ gun love influence Robinson, so on.

        I’ve been utterly repulsed by the photo I’ve seen purported to be Robinson’s mother, in which she is brandishing an assault weapon as if showing off a new handbag. It’s said she’d posted it on Facebook but deleted it after her son was ID’d as the alleged shooter. But sure, let’s not talk about white parents failing their kids about safe gun ownership and use, or white-on-white gun crime.

        • RitaRita says:

          Motive, means, and opportunity.

          The reports that the shooter and a family member discussed their mutual dislike of Kirk have not gotten much attention.

          Families who have guns need to be vigilant. The Butler shooter’s family were MAGA. What signs of emotional/mental instability are families and friends missing?

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to RitaRita
          September 15, 2025 at 11:39 am

          “Families who have guns need to be vigilant.”

          I’ve lost count of how many times something like that has crossed my mind since Columbine.

        • wa_rickf says:

          @ Rayne September 15, 2025 at 10:59 am

          Do you remember the accident in 2014 at Guns and Burgers in AZ where a 9-year old (9!!!) girl was taken to for her BIRTHDAY (bday!!!) to fire an Uzi and the kick caused her to accidently hit and kill her instructor? She must be traumatized for life. I doubt she went to counseling because too Liberal.

          https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident

          ======

          re: Tyler’s mom

          Yes, I’ve seen the photos too. She seems very proud to show off her weaponry.

        • earlyriser says:

          According to Aljazeera the charging documents contain the following text messages to his roommate:
          I’m worried what my old man would do if I didn’t bring back grandpas rifle,” Robinson said in the messages, and appeared to consider whether it could be traced back to him.

          “I might have to abandon it and hope they don’t find prints. how the f*** will I explain losing it to my old man?”

  19. Matt Foley says:

    Hmm, I wonder if Trump is using Charlie Kirk as a distraction from things like:

    https://www.thestreet.com/health/americans-health-insurance-bills-could-surge-by-75-next-year
    What to know about health insurance price increases in 2026

    Employer Plans: Costs are expected to rise by 6.5% (up to 9%), marking the largest jump in 15 years, according to consulting firm Mercer.
    ACA Marketplace: Average hikes around 20% nationwide, with New York 66% and Colorado 30%+, according to KKF.
    Subsidies Expiring: Federal ACA subsidies that helped lower premiums during the Covid pandemic end in 2025; loss could trigger 75%+ spike for some families, per KKF’s HealthSystemTracker.

    • Connie Graham says:

      He has many needs for such a distraction; the tanking economy, tariffs, the Epstein files, his health, etc.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Trump himself likely neither knows nor would understand nuances like this. In his scrambled brain it’s either Epstein, “War,” or Charlie.

      Charlie won’t keep him off his hunger for war–whether against blue cities or Venezuela–long enough. Blood lust lasts longer than mental capacity. I wouldn’t be shocked if Stephen and Susie are stoking him with Charlie stuff to get him through the days, while they lay the plans for extending the reign of terror beyond its current frontlines.

      In particular we lose if WE take our eyes off of plans to restrict/collapse access to voting. Time moves much faster than you young folks think.

  20. harpie says:

    Allison Gill with BREAKING news:

    https://bsky.app/profile/muellershewrote.com/post/3lyvavrmjyk2w
    September 15, 2025 at 12:44 PM

    BREAKING: The Charlie’s Murderers doxxing website was just hacked and has been taken offline. I spoke to the hacker on the condition of anonymity. My latest: [Link]

    BREAKING: EXCLUSIVE:
    The Charlie’s Murderers Website Has Been Torpedoed. I Spoke to the Hacker.

    The people behind the Charlie’s Murderers website have been forced to change domains
    and hosting after a hacker corrupted the reporting tool
    Allison Gill Sep 15, 2025

    […] According to the source, his goal wasn’t necessarily to just take down the site, but to hack in and be noticed so they would circle the wagons – because by doing so, they’d trip the booby trap that would choke off most of the data submitted by the public. And if they failed to notice the inflection point, they’d realize too late that all information submitted about ideological opponents would be too poisoned to use.

    The ultimate goal, according to the source, was to force the owners of Charlie’s Murderers to stop taking submissions from the public and force them into requiring logins, permissions, and moderators – a trust system that can be further exploited.

    The gambit worked. This morning, the Charlie’s Murderers website has been taken offline. They have changed domain names and hosting. It’s now the “Charlie Kirk Data Foundation.” […]

  21. xyxyxyxy says:

    At the Emmys last night Colbert said, “I have never loved my country more desperately. God bless America. Stay strong, be brave, and if the elevator tries to bring you down, go crazy and punch a higher floor! Woo!”

  22. christopher rocco says:

    In the meantime, Ka$h keeps yapping about DNA evidence and other items the FBI is not yet concerned with.

  23. zscoreUSA says:

    The Daily Mail headline says the roommate “tipped off FBI”, but the body of the article says “cops” one time, “police” several times, and includes an image of LEO at the search of the residence. No mention of FBI in the actual article.

    I guess “cops” and “police” could be FBI, but usually sounds more like local police or sheriff. Seems weird to emphasize FBI in the headline, and not put into the article.

    Kinda reminds me of that one time the Daily Mail used vague statements about Hunter’s “computer” and passcodes as a MacBook and not an iPad, which would match the forensic data, and a whole false narrative was spun off from the Daily Mail about a 3rd laptop.

    Ok I will see myself out here

  24. CantankerousDave says:

    The next stage of the MAGA movement needs its Horst Wessel. They tried use Ashli Babbit, but it didn’t gain widespread traction. Charlie Kirk, though, he was an insider; head of TPUSA, the Trumpenjugend recruitment and indoctrination arm of MAGA. Kid Rock is probably writing a song already.

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  25. e.a. foster says:

    What a shit show. You can’t make this type of stuff up. Well I guess you could if you had a few comedy writers and the right cast.
    This is all going on in the U.S.A., one of the most powerful countries in the world and every one seems to be acting like they came out of
    a
    Laurel and Hardy comedy. Haven’t seen so many out of control egos since 1970s night clubs and a H.A. power struggle.
    All the players appear to be jockeying for positions and their 15 seconds. They look so silly. The world has so many things which need to be done and these people are trying to look like they’re in control of who knows what, trying to move up the ladder of hate. They should all go out and get a job fighting forest fires or help build houses with Habitat for Humanity.
    My take on it is the crew from term one has been shifted to the side and they want rid of the crew who are occupying positions they thought they’d have in term 2. Bannon does look desperate and very much some one from another era. Badly dressed, hair cut outdated, old and nothing special about him. There are younger people who can fill his sphere and get more attention.
    When I listen to these people talking about hate, transgender people, the evils of the right wing, the evils of the left wing, the evils of anything and everything except themselves you really do wonder how such a cluster fxxk can find their shoes in the morning.
    Those who think trump is going to be their ticket to fame and fortune or power, get a grip. Trump doesn’t like or trust anyone. He’ll use people and then leave them behind as he moves forward. He cares only for himself and the power he can acquire to remove any one who is an impediment to his controlling every thing. He wants to prove he is the best. He is, he is the best idiot to ever occupy the position of President of the U.S.A. This will mostly play out in 2 to 10 yrs. I’m planning to live 10 yrs just to see it play out. Trump’s quest for power may see him loose it all. His demands on other countries may reach a point where other world players decide, they can do without the U.S.A.
    The only upside to all of this is some health care professionals are moving to Canada and the federal and provincial governments are welcoming them. I’m sure some of the cancer researchers will want to have a look at the cancer research center at U.B.C.

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