Speech

For some time, I’ve been noting that Donald Trump has chosen his political martyrs poorly. Every person he takes out in his authoritarian abuse could serve as one more person who will inspire others to fight back.

I wasn’t specifically thinking of Jimmy Kimmel, whose show ABC suspended after Brendan Carr complained about the things Kimmel said about Charlie Kirk’s killer.

But sure, Kimmel’s suspension removes a familiar voice from the living rooms of a certain aging demographic, but more importantly, points to the system of power behind the suspension: not just the cancel campaign to silence discussion of Charlie Kirk’s real statements, but Brendan Carr’s egregious politicization of the FCC, and in response, the abject cowardice from multinationals like ABC, Sinclair, and Nexstar. While Carr absolutely made inappropriate comments as a regulator (see Mike Masnick for a predictably excellent post on why his comments were illegal), the specific means by which Carr silenced Kimmel was the learned helplessness of massive corporations putting speech considerations behind their hopes of regulatory approval for expansion.

The Kimmel suspension comes as Larry Ellison’s family moves to take control of vast swaths of public speech in the US. David Ellison bought Paramount Skydance and promptly set about replacing news with Bari Weiss’ propaganda, and now Larry looks set to acquire TikTok and probably Warner Brothers.

Then, if all goes according to plan, Mr. Trump could soon hand an 80 percent stake in TikTok, the powerful social media platform, to the existing shareholders, among them KKR and General Atlantic, plus a new consortium that includes Mr. Ellison’s Oracle and a16z, the Silicon Valley venture capital firm whose co-founder Marc Andreessen is close with the administration.

There’s more: The Ellisons are also, reportedly, preparing a bid — of perhaps $80 billion, according to some estimates — for Warner Bros. Discovery, the media conglomerate that controls such jewels as HBO Max, the Warner Bros. movie studio and CNN.

Jimmy Kimmel’s plight is a good way to make the consolidation and control of the media by oligarchs and Trump flunkies visible and meaningful to people who otherwise wouldn’t care. So depending on what happens (he has not yet been fired and so might capitulate to demands Sinclair is making of him, and it’s not clear how long he’d remain under contract if he tried to quit), this could be a really useful teaching opportunity for people who hear Kimmel but not more political actors.

But I wasn’t thinking about Kimmel. I have used the phrase with people like Mahmoud Khalil, the Columbia University activist and Green Card holder threatened with deportation based on his advocacy for Palestinians. Last week, a Louisiana immigration court approved the Administration’s attempt to retcon their retconned basis to deport Khalil (a claim he made a misrepresentation on his change of status petition, as opposed to his speech itself), putting his bid to stay in the country on fast track before an immigration appeals court. In a letter sent yesterday to the court that ruled his deportation unconstitutional retaliation for Khalil’s speech, his attorneys described how absent outside action he may soon be deported to Algeria or Syria.

On September 12, the IJ issued three separate orders denying Petitioner’s (1) motion for an extension of time, (2) motion to change venue, and (3) application for a waiver, without conducting an evidentiary hearing. (Copies of each order are attached as Exhibits A, B, and C.)

[snip]

Respondents’ continued pursuit of Petitioner’s removal on the Post-Hoc Charge and these latest, highly unusual developments—including Respondents’ decisions to move forward with the waiver process on a compressed schedule despite seeking and obtaining a partial stay of that courtordered requirement and to deny an ordinarily granted waiver without the normal hearing—is part and parcel of Respondents broader effort to retaliate against Petitioner for his constitutionally protected expression in support of Palestinian rights. It represents a substantial threat to Petitioner’s liberty, family integrity and if ultimately removed, his physical safety.

Petitioner now has thirty days from September 12 to notice an appeal to the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA). In light of the above, and given statements targeting Petitioner by name for retaliation and deportation made by the President and several senior U.S. government officials, undersigned counsel have ample reason to expect that the BIA process—and an affirmance of the IJ’s determination—will be swift. Upon affirmance by the BIA, Petitioner will lose his lawful permanent resident status, including his right to reside and work in the United States, and have a final order of removal against him. Compared to other courts of appeals, including those in the Third and Second Circuits, the Fifth Circuit almost never grants stays of removal to noncitizens pursuing petitions for review of BIA decisions. 4 As a result, the only meaningful impediment to Petitioner’s physical removal from the United States would be this Court’s important order prohibiting removal during the pendency of his federal habeas case. See ECF 81 (ordering pursuant to the All Writs Act that, “Petitioner shall not be removed from the United States, unless and until this Court issues a contrary order … to preserve the Court’s jurisdiction, so that the Petition can be reviewed and ruled on”). And nothing would preserve his lawful permanent resident status.

Back when Khalil was the center of focus, I really did believe that his charisma and poise might keep a focus on Marco Rubio’s egregious actions to deport people based on speech. That hasn’t happened. I learned of these latest developments from press releases from his lawyers and saw someone compare the First Amendment attack on Khalil with that on Kimmel. But any focus on Khalil’s plight has been replaced by 100 other abuses. Trump’s minions are still working overtime to silence Khalil, just like Kimmel; they’re just using different means — means that are (and have been ruled to be) a more direct assault on the First Amendment.

And that brings me back to the concerns I raised here.

There’s a lot that’s terrible. But even a lot of the good things that are happening escape notice, largely from the two forces that buried Khalil’s fate: surging mobs of attention, corporate control on news, and the resultant increased difficulty in finding good news anymore. Corporate news and most existing social media is already broken and dying. One reason it was easy for ABC to suspend Kimmel is he’s no longer the fixture he used to be.

Ben Collins (who bought the Onion and has been fighting to take over Alex Jones’ empire) responded to yesterday’s news by describing this as a market opportunity.

Collins is right: because mass media is largely dead, there is an opportunity to build up new media that is both more trusted because it is not subject to Carr’s threats and on that basis popular, a media that can compete with whatever slop the Ellisons are putting out.

But until we get there and likely even after, we need to find ways to bridge the gaps in the media environment right now. We need to do so to ensure that stories — of people like Khalil, of the families being destroyed by Stephen Miller’s attacks, the impact of RFK Jr’s assault on public health, the disastrous effects of Trump’s financial policies — keep getting told. We need to convey what Democrats are actually doing, such that criticism is based on reality, rather than outright fabrications. The biggest challenge, Democrats need to be engaged in a media environment shared to the extent it is possible to hold Republicans, from Trump on down, accountable among those who normally support them.

Trump and Carr’s assault on the media — accompanied by their oligarch friends’ attempt to buy it all up — is an attempt to disrupt all that accountability. For now, at least, it’s actually possible to bypass those dying media outlets. But it takes work. And awareness.

And whatever else the Jimmy Kimmel suspension does, it provides that moment of awareness. It provides a wake-up call that we need to lay the foundation to bypass the oligarch-owned media.

Updated: Corrected Collins’ name. Curse his Bluesky handle!

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  1. Queen of the Crone Age says:

    Ben. Ben Collins

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  2. Greg Hunter says:

    Thanks as I usually come here first, but today I went and looked at when my ESPN+ account was going to renew and it is October 7th, which seems like an auspicious date to stop any payments to Disney.

    • Kathleen_18SEP2025_1555h says:

      Great convergence there!

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  3. Matt___B says:

    It’s Ben Collins, former NBC/MSNBC reporter, who posts on Blue Sky under the moniker of “Tim Onion”. Probably because Trump once called Tim Cook “Tim Apple”?

  4. ExRacerX says:

    This Charlie Kirk brouhaha puts me in mind of a very sensible quote by Lemmy Kilmister (from his autobiography, White Line Fever): “Fuck this ‘Don’t speak ill of the dead. Shit! People don’t become better when they are dead; you just talk about them as if they are. But it’s not true! People are still assholes, they are just dead assholes!”

    Sensibility has apparently flown the coop, along with free speech. Lemmy would not approve.

    • wa_rickf says:

      “There is no where in the Bible where we are taught to honor evil and how you die does not redeem how you lived. You don’t become a hero in death when you are a weapon of the enemy in life.”
      – Pastor Howard John-Wesley , Alfred Street Baptist Church

      • Sandor Raven says:

        Thanks wa_rickf

        Video: “Lead Me To The Rock” I Rev. Dr. Howard-John Wesley I September 14, 2025 I Sermon

        Quote above at about 19:00. But I recommend starting much, much earlier.

    • Joe Orton says:

      “If you don’t want people to talk about you being an a-hole then don’t be an a-hole.” This is what a former bartender of a historic bar told us while we were interviewing her for a documentary. Not one of the other bartenders would tell us stories of the famous people who acted like a-holes who frequented the dive bar but she felt no responsibility to keep the secrets of a-holes.
      However, Kimmel’s jokes were not about Kirk. They were about MAGA Republicans and Trump.

      • Rayne says:

        Some of the best writing advice I’ve ever read:

        “You own everything that happened to you. Tell your stories. If people wanted you to write warmly about them, they should have behaved better.”
        ― Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

      • Harry Eagar says:

        Your last two sentences.

        For a silly example of not understanding that, see Rivera’s hysterical meltdown on a bemused Blitzer today.

        The adoration of Kirk baffles me.

        So, too, does a practical strategy toward rebuilding a news infrastructure. Presumably it must involve streaming but how is a puzzle.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          It’s not “adoration of Kirk.” It’s narcissism. When they purport to talk about him they are in fact aggrandizing themselves, and the cause–violent (if triggered) dominionist pseudo-Christianity of the kind that thrives on telling others how to live, especially POC and women–that unites them as a tribe.

          Most of those bearing the Kirk banner today could not have told you two facts about him a month ago. They would greatly prefer NOT to read his actual words or see his videos, because this is not about Charlie Kirk. It’s about them. This is most true of Donald Trump.

      • Wild Bill 99 says:

        Back in the day, we recognized we are all a_holes. Some (probably emotional vampires) can’t recognize their own reflection, generally to be taken as a sign of limited intellectual capability in animal psychology.

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      Mafia leaders and killers get beautiful funerals and preacher sermons on their kindness, generosity, love of family, etc.

    • zscoreUSA says:

      Nice quote by Lemmy

      Here’s another quote:

      Titus 2:7–8:

      “In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.”

  5. Scott_in_MI says:

    whose show ABC suspended after Brendan Carr complained about the things Kimmel said about Charlie Kirk’s killer

    More accurately, I think, Carr complained about the things Kimmel said about the right’s response to Kirk’s murder, and their attempts to spin the identity of his assassin. Notably, Kimmel didn’t say a damn thing that either celebrated Kirk’s death or even criticized Kirk’s positions on issues, which had previously been the standard for public ostracism. These losers really are pathetically thin-skinned.

      • gruntfuttock says:

        For what it’s worth, Jon Stewart agrees with you. Back in May, Stewart talked to Armando Iannucci and Helen Lewis on the BBC radio show Strong Message Here.
        Stewart starts by noting that Trump was a big believer in The Power of Positive Thinking and goes on to say that:

        You can, through the power of will, create a reality-distortion field, and if you do it with enough conviction, as they would say on Seinfeld it’s not a lie if you believe it, if you can do it with enough conviction and enough tenacity, you can actually change the colour from white to blue, from green to red.

        Which is to say that Trump distorts reality through the sheer force of his belief and the belief of those who follow him.
        Basically, I guess, it’s Nietzsche’s ‘will to power’ leading to The Crucible all over again; some sort of mass delusion which will eventually dissipate but will cause in calculable harm before it does.

        It obviously helps if you have a heavily biased media on your side, of course.

  6. wa_rickf says:

    Indeed, Mike Masnick’s POST is excellent. Trump took a swing at Jimmy Kimmel on July 18, 2025, following CBS’s decision to cancel “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” suggesting that Kimmel is “next” on the chopping block. Now we have Carr making inappropriate and illegal comments to goad Kimmel’s “indefinate” suspension.

    Jimmy Kimmel has been set up nicely for a lawsuit.

    • harpie says:

      Agree:

      Cowardly Disney Caves To Brendan Carr’s Bogus Censorial Threats,
      Pulling Jimmy Kimmel
      from the wasn’t-jawboning-bad? dept
      https://www.techdirt.com/2025/09/17/cowardly-disney-caves-to-brendan-carrs-bogus-censorial-threats-pulling-jimmy-kimmel/
      Wed, Sep 17th 2025 05:36pm – Mike Masnick

      […] Just last year, in a 9-0 ruling [written by SOTOMAYOR] in NRA v. Vullo, the Supreme Court called out how this kind of thing is a clear violation of the First Amendment. […]

      • harpie says:

        The reason I emphasized that SOTOMAYOR had
        written the opinion for the ENTIRE Court [in May 2024]:

        Sotomayor rebukes calls to ‘criminalize free speech’ in apparent swipe at Pam Bondi The justice, in public remarks, didn’t name the attorney general, who has come under fire for comments to target people over “hate speech.” https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/16/sonia-sotomayor-free-speech-pam-bondi-00566449 Erica Orden 09/16/2025 12:23 PM EDT

        Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor appeared to take aim at recent remarks by Attorney General Pam Bondi vowing to “target” anyone who uses “hate speech” following the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

        “Every time I listen to a lawyer-trained representative saying we should criminalize free speech in some way, I think to myself, that law school failed,” Sotomayor said while speaking on a panel Tuesday morning at New York Law School. […]

    • RitaRita says:

      ”From Trump’s lips to my ears.” Said by just about every political appointee in the Trump Administration.

      Trump voiced his displeasure with ABC’s Jonathan Karl yesterday. Next on the chopping block?

      If there is hope, does it lie in the fact that young people are not patronizing traditional media? I’m not a young person but I haven’t watched broadcast news for years. I watched Kimmel on You Tube. I watch football (for the 10 minutes before some gruesome injury) on the networks. And that’s it.

      • Matt Foley says:

        My jaw dropped when Trump of all people told Jonathan Karl “You have a lot of hate in your heart.” Project much?

        Don’t forget “nasty person” Kaitlan Collins. Such backsass from a woman must not be tolerated!

      • john paul jones says:

        True, perhaps, that younglings are not using traditional media much. But they do follow on YouTube, and all the late night guys are very very visible on that platform, so it may be too soon to toll the passing bell for “traditional” media. The Daily Show too has a huge presence on YouTube.

    • Memory hole says:

      Also, for MAGA’s right to be offended by truth, factual reporting, the actual text of the Bible, and reality itself.

      • gruntfuttock says:

        They remind me of the old WC Fields gag about carrying some whisky to protect them from snakebite whilst also carrying a small snake at all times.

  7. Pat Researches says:

    Thanks for the article. As the poet said, Hope is an ugly thing. It’s still the thing we need the most right now.

    • Sandor Raven says:

      “Hope” is the thing with feathers
      By Emily Dickinson

      “Hope” is the thing with feathers –
      That perches in the soul –
      And sings the tune without the words –
      And never stops – at all –

      And sweetest – in the Gale – is heard –
      And sore must be the storm –
      That could abash the little Bird
      That kept so many warm –

      I’ve heard it in the chillest land –
      And on the strangest Sea –
      Yet – never – in Extremity,
      It asked a crumb – of me.

  8. Inspector Clouseau says:

    It has become clear that MAGA does not believe the levers of power will ever swing back; or if it does that the high road will be taken and they wont be subject to the other side of the same coin. If I were Lachlan Murdoch I would be worried about what happens to the empire I’m about to inherit if the pendulum swings back, same with the Sinclairs of the world. It doesn’t even need to be abusing the FCC like this admin, simply having the DOJ break it up via anti-trust rulings would chop it off at the knees.

    • Estragon says:

      Yes, there seems to be a lot of confidence on the right that these kinds of things will never be swung back at them and the high road will be taken. That they expect never to be out of power again is apparent, but it must be comforting to believe even if the worst happens and liberals take back over there will be a lot of “let’s move forward not back” talk. They might not even be wrong!

      I continue to be of the belief that the genesis of this was the end and aftermath of the civil war, when confederate leaders and generals were not hung as they should have been. The worst thing that happened to any of them was confiscating Lee’s plantation to build Arlington. No wonder these people feel a sense of impunity.

      • P J Evans says:

        Lee was able to move on, after the war.
        Most of these people are still fighting, 160 years later, and can’t move past 1862.

      • Joe Orton says:

        “Expecting never to be out of power.” Besides the MAGA’s thin skin and love of piling on for personal gain, I’m beginning to think they were counting on Charlie Kirk to make permanent rule possible. And I think Kirk and some MAGA assumed he would be made president once he turned 35.

        • RitaRita says:

          The billionaires probably were grooming him to be President after JD Vance’s turn. I think there was real anguish by many at his death.

        • Molly Pitcher says:

          I think that some on the Right see how much Vacation Vance is hated and were considering running Kirk over Vance. He would have just been legal, birthday wise.

          I’m sure this had nothing to do with why he was un-alived.

    • bawiggans says:

      Yes, the achievement of a durable dominance is the base requirement that informs the invader’s commitment to blitzkrieg. A critical mass of control must be achieved before forward momentum inevitably dissipates. Would-be autocrats and conquerors must convince themselves that they can make this happen, even as others have failed. Every act of resistance adds to the friction that will eventually arrest and exhaust the forward momentum and then the level of control will be tested. The sooner the better.

    • Thequickbrownfox says:

      It isn’t only the ‘institutions’, they also intend to take over the digital media. Nobel Peace Prize recipient Maria Ressa (suck on it Donald) explained exactly how they can, and are, doing it.
      Between Ressa and Gessen, my only observation is that “we were warned”

  9. Sheryl_Robins says:

    The Left needs new media, as Tim Onion says. One problem is there are so many voices who are needing funding. If say, ActBlue were to create a ThinkLeft group with a menu to let people make contributions to say 5 people, maybe that could concentrate funding enough to make a difference. So I could pick 5: 1 Emptywheel.net 2. Colbert 3 Meidas 4. Tim Onion 🌰 5. Dailykos.com. And ask for big contributions from Lefty millionaires. I’d subscribe to that.

    • Harry Eagar says:

      An idea i had when the ‘Net started stealing print news stories was a collection agency akin to the music publishers’ BMI and ASCAP:

      It being impractical to subscribe to 50 reliable outlets, purchase a license to read bits and pieces from all of them and then distribute the payments to the originators through click counts.

  10. Leonard Grossman says:

    Thank you for enlightening me, not only with your indepth discussion, as usual, but I have long wondered who Tom Onion was and why he picked that handle. 😊

  11. Ms. Dalloway says:

    What the broadcast media companies aren’t taking into account, because their executives are always more focused on the next merger leading to a jump in their stock price leading to a huge rise in their own compensation, is that the more they kowtow to Trump and MAGA, the worse their actual product, their programming, will get, leading to an even steeper drop in their viewership than they’re experiencing now because of gaming, streaming, etc. And someday soon, judging from his awful appearance, Trump may be gone, along with any remaining entertainment value their companies had. When that happens, though the Igers of the world may keep moving their company pieces around the board, the game will be over.

  12. wa_rickf says:

    Of course the MAGAts at Fox News comments are over the moon due to this event. Sick phucks. America’s slide into fascism is being celebrated by the Right.

  13. Grayson Reim says:

    As Marcy points out, so much terrible news comes out of the White House every day that important issues often get lost in the noise. For example, many of us seem to have forgotten that PBS and NPR were defunded.

    Would it be naive to see this as an opportunity to push for a new kind of support for independent journalism? For instance, what if we introduced a tax on major platforms like Google and Facebook, with the revenue dedicated to funding public media and independent reporting? This could support outlets like PBS and NPR, or even fund new, locally branded initiatives (e.g., Nebraska News, Washington Public TV) that would strengthen community-level coverage.

    It might also make sense to ensure that part of this funding goes toward a designated body or counsel to protect reporters and uphold their ability to do their work freely and safely.

  14. 200Toros says:

    Another thing the MSM is not reporting? The USG purchase of 10% of INTC one month ago, in light of the announcement today that Nvidia will take a $5 billion stake in INTC, driving the stock up by 26% today. You think that was just lucky timing?

    • wa_rickf says:

      Trump wants equity stakes in an ever-increasing number of America’s major corporations, giving him a say in what those corporations invest in, from whom they buy, to whom they sell, whom they fire and much more. The free-market capitalism that saw this nation prosper like no other is no more.

  15. earlofhuntingdon says:

    LOL. Trump claims de facto cancelling of Jimmy Kimmel show does not involve free speech. Given that Trump knows SFA about free speech, I can imagine how he might think that. The First Amendment doesn’t apply to a private actor shutting down Kimmel. It does apply, though, to the explicit obvious threat by the FCC chair.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/18/jimmy-kimmel-charlie-kirk-comments-show-cancelled-suspended-monologue-trump-us-politics-live

    • Scott_in_MI says:

      Trump keeps saying that Kimmel “has no talent” (which seems implausible, given that he had the second-most-popular late-night show in July), and that his ratings are “even worse than Colbert’s” (who had the most popular). Jealous much, I wonder?

    • Ms. Dalloway says:

      To Trump, “free speech” is glowing praise of his fabulousness that he doesn’t have to pay for or write himself.

  16. Amy Bowersox says:

    One thing is certain about any “new media” that gets developed to counter the oligarchs: it must be decentralized. We can’t afford any “single points of failure” that can be attacked or bought off, but must ensure that, like the hydra, cutting off one head won’t destroy the creature, as two more will grow in its place. This can also be thought of as “billionaire-proofing” the media.

    Our TV networks are centralized. Facebook, exTwitter, Insta, and other current social media networks are centralized. Mastodon, however, is decentralized; recently, they had to explain how they couldn’t comply with a new age-blocking law in Louisiana, as no one person or organization controls all the servers in the Fediverse. Bluesky was designed to be decentralized, but functionally isn’t yet. Other similar efforts are underway; they should be encouraged.

    I’m not going to say it’s time for underground communications yet, but maybe we also need to think about how accurate information can be passed around without exposure to major companies or the government.

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  17. OldTulsaDude says:

    All those GOP meetings in Moscow, the omerta of Trump’s translators … was Putin teaching them all the step-by-step process of dismantling a democracy and establishing an oligarchy?

  18. Ginevra diBenci says:

    At the joint press conference with the UK Prime Minister, Trump was asked about the Kimmel affair. His ‘response’ rambled entropically. But he finally wrapped things up with what appeared to be, for him, the happy conclusion: because of the upcoming merger(s), “rich people” are going to be in charge of everything.

    ABC and Disney can’t be sued for violating the First Amendment. Brendan Carr’s words, however, arguably operate as illegal government activity–not just putting a finger on the scale in favor of certain speech, but also in favor of the monied interests who can be relied on to perpetuate it.

    Larry Ellison is “rich people.” I’m sure Trump believes we’ll be better served in Ellison’s “rich people” hands than those of Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen Colbert, both of whom remember what it was like to be poor. Oops–did I saw “we”? I meant “he.” Trump doesn’t care how we are served.

    • Molly Pitcher says:

      No matter how we would like, you cannot ever nullify your childhood. Larry Ellison, the richest man in the world, is not a rich man.

      Ellison was born in New York in 1944, to a 19-year-old unwed mother named Florence Spellman. His father , was an Italian-American pilot in the US Army Air Corps, whom Ellison never met.

      At nine months old, he was sent to Chicago to be raised by his aunt and uncle, who adopted him. He didn’t know he was adopted until he was 12.

      Raised in a Reform Jewish household, he grew up in a two-bedroom apartment on the city’s South Side, attended public schools like Eugene Field Elementary and Sullivan High School, and later attended college before dropping out. He had a strained relationship with his adoptive father, Louis Ellison, who was often distant and critical.

      Despite his religious upbringing, Ellison remained a religious skeptic and refused to have a bar mitzvah celebration at age 13. He would not reconnect with his biological mother, Florence, until he was 48 years old.

      I work with someone who was, growing up, best friends with David Ellison, his son. Larry Ellison is not a good person.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        In my experience money does not improve people, whether inherited or amassed in one’s lifetime. Others vastly overvalue folks based on the money they’re attached to. That insistent overvaluation, repeated publicly by those like Trump who covet it for themselves, tends to blur moneyed people’s vision when it comes to the effects they have on the world.

        Molly, I don’t follow your point regarding why Larry Ellison would seek to “nullify” his particular childhood. My paternal grandparents also grew up on the South Side of Chicago in similar apartments and went to Sullivan HS. They had fond memories of the experience, even after moving north to Rogers Park.

        It seems to me that, like Trump, Larry Ellison simply pursued money at the expense of anything else in life. Now, like Trump, he seeks to convert that money into power over the rest of us. The two of them are using each other the way “rich people” have done for millennia–except that now, as they engineer ever further distance between their wealth and our diminished means, that power has become unimaginably vaster.

      • Ms. Dalloway says:

        It’s the extortion presidency — “trade deals” that enable Trump to wet his beak internationally, leaning on law firms for free work, colleges for control over what’s taught, politicians and government employees for blind loyalty, media and cultural organizations for control over arts and entertainment he’d never get legitimately, bankers and their ilk for his family’s giant crypto profits, tech companies like Intel for stock likely to pass through the advertised public ownership into Trump’s private pocket, like the Qatari plane… and there could be much more we’re not seeing. Look for him to extort silence from media companies about Epstein next.

  19. mospeckx says:

    trump and his minions (trying desperately to avoid talking about trump and epstein) are now going off full atomics, firing off big tv folks like Jimmy Kimmel over the Charlie Kirk assassination.
    1st off, Charlie it’s not fair and sorry that you got killed by some crazy guy. There seems to be a lot of them about. Trying to figure out what all the big brouhaha is about, this free speech thing and what it was that you stood for.
    Cambridge prof John Brown debates Charlie Kirk about the Russia-Ukraine war. He is a former British army officer who used to be executive chair of the imperial war museum and has worked professionally with international law.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulRS4x8U5dI
    Charlie was a civil fella, one who tried to encourage a back and forth between the sides. But here he seems to be going all in for putin?! And let’s face it Charlie was not a vg debater. Yulia describes in excruciating detail putin, the guy CK was rooting for, and how he’d had poisoned her husband Alexei, Russia’s best hope for the future.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/17/world/europe/russia-navalny-poisoning.html

    • David F. Snyder says:

      A civil fella? Hardly:

      He was killed on camera. No one’s family deserves to have to witness that. It’s unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that “I don’t care that he’s dead.” “He’s not a hero.” “He’s a scumbag.” “He shouldn’t be celebrated.”

      I’m talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes by Charlie Kirk about George Floyd.

      Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

      So, no, not civil.

  20. Savage Librarian says:

    Having paid some severe costs for expressing my free speech rights, I have to say there were many misunderstandings, misrepresentations, and deliberate disinformation campaigns about what really happened. That is just as true now with Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk, Mahmoud Khalil, Jimmy Kimmel, Epstein & Maxwell survivors and a long list of many other people.

    And I have to add, there is a gigantic gap between what people think they might do and what they actually do when push comes to shove. I’ve lost count of how many people I knew who were big on talk but sorely lacking in walk. It definitely was NOT hope that carried me over the finish line. It was hard work, persistence, and a firm belief in democracy. That is how I prevailed against a boatload of corruption.

    With that in mind, I want to say I just learned some things I didn’t know before from the article below:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooter-charged

    “Charlie Kirk killing suspect charged with aggravated murder by Utah prosecutors”

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      The Guardian has been doing a lot of the work our American press would rather not touch. Thanks for the link, SL.

      The prosecutor’s grounds for seeking the death penalty seem flimsy to me, based mainly on St. Charlie’s noble mission and “children” (?) being present. Does he mean college kids of 17? I hope and pray they take the death penalty off the table, much as it seems Robinson’s parents are willing to sacrifice him for the sin of his relationship with the roommate. The human brain does not fully mature by 22, and it seems clear that this one’s brain had some serious maturing to do.

      Plus: guns. In Utah it can never be an access-to-guns issue. Utah trailed only Wyoming in the percentage by which it voted for Trump. They would rather keep their guns than have Charlie Kirk around. Or Tyler Robinson.

  21. P-villain says:

    “Our own government encouraged private companies to silence people who dared to utter what turned out to be an obvious truth. So I come here today not just with an observation, but with an offer. And just as the Biden administration seemed desperate to silence people for speaking their minds, so the Trump administration will do precisely the opposite; and I hope we can work together on that.

    “In Washington, there is a new sheriff in town; and under Donald Trump’s leadership, we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer it in the public square, agree or disagree.”

    – J(unior)D(ivision) Vance, Munich Security Conference, 2/14/25

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      1. “And just as the Biden administration SEEMED DESPERATE to silence people for speaking their minds”, he didn’t say “And just as the Biden administration silenceD people for speaking their minds”.
      2. He was right, the Trump administration is doing precisely the opposite of what the Biden administration did.

  22. SATmanJack says:

    Too many small, small men in big jobs.
    And maybe OT – an a**hole who goes to an Ivy League college doesn’t change. He just comes out as a “Certified A**hole.”

    • Matt_18SEP2025_1937h says:

      My wife and I differ slightly on this but as her industry hires hundreds of kids from upper but not top tiers schools every year…I think a worthwhile interview question for young kids is “what kind of job did you do in high school and college?”

      My unscientific theory is the kids that mowed lawns, coached camps, scooped ice cream etc were usually the ones that turned out to be better employees than the ones who inevitably didn’t work during high school and then had some cushy desk job at a relative’s firm during college.

      [Welcome to emptywheel. Please choose and use a unique username with a minimum of 8 letters. We adopted this minimum standard to support community security. Because your username is too short (there are a number of Matts in this community), your username will be temporarily changed to match the date/time of your first known comment until you have a new compliant username. /~Rayne]

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      Like certified asshole Trump, U of Pa refuses to pay property taxes to Philadelphia, while being one of the largest property owners in the city. Villanova U also refuses to pay property tax to township it’s in claiming that it provides lots of wealth, prestige, etc to the community.

  23. harpie says:

    As the Government tries to control what people may write and say,
    they are ALSO seeking to control what I may read and hear [and see].

    • harpie says:

      Adam Serwer:

      https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3lz4ompiqtc2m
      September 18, 2025 at 11:38 AM

      The Republican reaction to Kirk’s murder has been a campaign of state repression that ends with Trumpist toadies deciding what Americans are allowed to think, do and say. [GIFT Link]

      GIFT LINK to:
      The Constitution Protects Jimmy Kimmel’s Mistake Free speech is under assault.
      https[:]//www[.]theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/this-wont-stop-with-jimmy-kimmel/684251/ [< broken link]
      The Atlantic Adam Serwer September 18, 2025, 9:42 AM ET

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        The Atlantic seems to be competing in the Bad Headline competition. Kimmel did not make any “mistake.” He was talking about MAGA, not Kirk or the shooter. This kind of dangerous misprision has gone the rounds for the past week; it’s so insidious that my own spouse told me Kimmel “said something about the shooter being MAGA.”

        He did not. The more folks play his actual remarks, the better. Subtlety may be lost on many, but some may catch themselves before perpetuating this particular lie any further.

        • harpie says:

          I do agree with Serwer that this part of what Kimmel said:

          American politics had “hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them[“]

          was

          at best an unconfirmed rumor at the time, and as more evidence has emerged, seems flatly incorrect. [link]

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          replying to harpie:

          I have great admiration for Serwer. I did not mean to suggest that I thought he had written the headline; magazines (like newspapers) have others who do that.

          I don’t have an Atlantic subscription, and hate to criticize words out of context. For the life of me, however, I don’t understand how Kimmel’s description of the MAGA gang could be characterized as “unconfirmed rumor”; it was everywhere online, especially on X.

          And holding Kimmel responsible for later-revealed evidence, as Serwer appears to do, strikes me as unfair. But again, Kimmel was *not* talking about the shooter, he was talking about MAGA world’s reaction to the murder, which makes Serwer’s comment (as quoted) seem slightly off-key.

  24. Fiendish Thingy says:

    And now Carr has set his sights on the ladies of The View, who were silent today, with nary a peep about Kimmel…

    “First they came for Kimmel, and I said nothing…”

    • wa_rickf says:

      Lately, I’ve been turning to AP as well as my news source and I’ve been turning to podcasts for deeper dives:

      – I Have Had It
      – Meidas Touch
      – Fridays on Nicole Sandler

      • pH unbalanced says:

        My main news podcasts these days:

        The BradCast with Brad Friedman
        The Nicole Sandler Show (scan it every day, but usually listen once or twice a week)
        Democracy Now!
        Why is this Happening? (Chris Hayes’ podcast)

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Surely you jest. America would never elect a mere entertainer…not one without the gravitas of a serious “business” background–fabricated entirely by Mark Burnett, who still hasn’t paid the slightest price for loosing his Frankenstein’s monster on us all.

      • Reader 21 says:

        Yep—and guess who Burnett’s first choice for that role was—yep, a mediocre ex KGB washout, albeit one also heavily leveraged by the Russian mafia—Vlad The Poisoner.

  25. phichi174 says:

    “For some time, I’ve been noting that Donald Trump has chosen his political martyrs poorly.”
    i had the exact same sentiment but for me it was making charlie jerk something he clearly was not: a commendable American. the prematurely and over-ejaculatory felon, inc administration were so overwhelmed by this media gift of an assassination of a pro-mage stooge that they fell all over themselves trying to turn this loathsome crusader of intolerance and violence into the stepping stone to the promised land of their authoritarian wet dream. unfortunately, adding mindless violence to their repertoire of moronic criminal and child trafficking pedophilia-centered authoritarianism was a bridge too far for the imbecile brigade. but as you so aptly pointed out, we are still in thrall to our mainstream media billionaire overlords

    • ExRacerX says:

      ^
      Wow—a hitherto unknown e e cummings poem! :P

      But seriously, after three attempts, I couldn’t read that. Maybe try making your point using proper paragraphing and capitalization? Just an idea…

  26. Inspector Clouseau says:

    I know its a pipe dream, but after this I would love to see John Stewart take a run at the presidency now. Is he the best person, not by a long shot – does he want it? nope. Would he understand how to talk to America about what is actually happening? I believe so, and I think many would listen. I don’t want to start the trend of influencers and celebrities becoming politicians; but at this point the maga is winning the entertainment and attention space and dems are running white toast candidates. Would maga and the orange clown be able to withstand a witty barrage of criticism every day? I think it breaks them. At this point we need something different, to quote the simpsons, “We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      No. Just…no. Stewart’s misguided attempt to position himself at an Olympian height above mere political disputes led, during the last 15 years, to him making some egregious “both-sides” arguments that–instead of being balanced, or, you know, funny–simply reflected poorly on Democrats and Stewart himself.

      At this point, while he has his moments (created for him by the brilliant Daily Show writers), he has sadly become little more than a professional curmudgeon. I don’t need one more white grandpa tsk-tsking at those of us who feel passionate about things. Give me Kimmel, or better yet Colbert, first. Better YET? Give me Mallory McMorrow or Jasmine Crockett or…what about Kamala Harris?

    • Rayne says:

      Nope, nope, nope. Steadfastly standing in the center as the right-wing moves towards fascism only drags one further rightward.

      And please, no more white male entertainers. Governance is not entertainment.

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      “I don’t want to start the trend of influencers and celebrities becoming politicians”
      Too late.
      Some celebrities who became politicians: Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Franken, Sonny Bono, Eastwood, Zelenskyy, Trump.

  27. harpie says:

    https[:]//bsky[.]app/profile/bradheath[.]bsky.social/post/3lz7akved322j
    September 19, 2025 at 12:05 PM [< broken link][emphasis added]

    A federal judge has thrown out
    President Trump’s lawsuit against The New York Times.

    The suit, he says, “stands unmistakably and inexcusably athwart the requirements” of federal court rules.

    It is “decidedly improper and impermissible.” [Link]

    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA // TAMPA DIVISION
    PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP v. NEW YORK TIMES COMPANY, a New York corporation, et al.
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437.5.0.pdf

      • Matt___B says:

        The judge gave Trump’s lawyers a “second chance” to re-file a proper legal complaint, one without grandstanding, self-praise, and verbal diarrhea. So it’s not yet headed to any other courts. We’ll see if they re-file a slimmer, more to-the-point complaint to this judge for reconsideration.

      • harpie says:

        Yes, re Matt’s answer [Judge was NOT amused]:

        [pdf4/4] The complaint is STRUCK with leave to amend within twenty-eight days. The amended complaint must not exceed forty pages, excluding only the caption, the signature, and any attachment.

        ORDERED in Tampa, Florida, on September 19, 2025.

        Steven D. Merryday // United States District Judge

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          The Judge was NOT amused, but I was.
          Any sanctions for the comedy skit?
          Will Colbert and Kimmel writers be re-writing the comedy skit for him?

    • harpie says:

      The part of the order that’s in Reichlin-Melnick’s screenshot [emphasis added]:

      [pdf3/4] Even assuming that each allegation in the complaint is true (of course, that is for a jury to decide and is not pertinent here; this order suggests nothing about the truth of the allegations or the validity of the claims but addresses only the manner of the presentation of the allegations in the complaint); even assuming that at trial the plaintiff offers evidence supporting every allegation in the complaint and that the evidence is accepted by the jury as fact; and even assuming that after finally “melting” the defendants’ alleged “iceberg of falsehoods” the plaintiff prevails for each reason alleged in the complaint — even assuming all of that — a complaint remains an improper and impermissible place for the tedious and burdensome aggregation of prospective evidence, for the rehearsal of tendentious arguments, or for the protracted recitation and explanation of legal authority putatively supporting the pleader’s claim [pdf4/4] for relief. As every lawyer knows (or is presumed to know), a complaint is not a public forum for vituperation and invective — not a protected platform to rage against an adversary. A complaint is not a megaphone for public relations or a podium for a passionate oration at a political rally or the functional equivalent of the Hyde Park Speakers’ Corner. […]

      ooof!

  28. Thequickbrownfox says:

    Oh my! Trump’s 15 billon dollar suit against the New York Times just got tossed, and the judgement is a thing of beauty.
    “Even under the most generous and lenient application of Rule 8, the complaint is decidedly improper and impermissible. The pleader initially alleges an electoral victory by President Trump “in historic fashion” — by “trouncing” the opponent — and alludes to “persistent election interference from the legacy media, led
    most notoriously by the New York Times.”

    Read the whole thing:

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437.5.0.pdf

  29. xyxyxyxy says:

    George Soros’ philanthropy reaches for new ideas as it grapples with the limits of its power
    Open Society Foundations, the family philanthropy of hedge fund billionaire George Soros, has consistently been one of the largest funders of human rights organizations around the world. But what that means has changed in recent years, with a new focus on addressing inequality.
    “It’s about paying attention to how inequality is a deep, deep corrosive instrument to democracy,” Leonard Benardo, senior vice president at OSF, told The Associated Press at the foundations’ offices in New York.
    The transformation follows four years of internal upheaval, more than a year of new program selection and a generational leadership change. In some ways, the new emphasis reflects the foundations’ commitment to rethinking and reimagining its work, based on Soros’ own view that in open societies, no person or institution has a monopoly on the truth….
    The foundations, along with its founder, have long drawn the ire of powerful leaders and right-wing movements and recently have been targeted again by U.S. President Donald Trump and his administration.
    For decades, it seemed that OSF’s movement for more open societies was proceeding well, Benardo said, as newly independent former Soviet states turned toward some form of democracy. Now, that tide has reversed course, with the rise of authoritarianism….
    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/international/2025/09/18/george-soros-philanthropy-reaches-for-new-ideas-as-it-grapples-with-the-limits-of-its-power/

  30. Molly Pitcher says:

    Friends of Trump :

    X
    Facebook
    Instagram
    WhatsApp
    TikTok
    Fox
    CBS
    Washington Post
    Wall Street Journal
    New York Post
    Sinclair
    What does the Left own ?

  31. Jon KNOWLES says:

    Apologies in advance if I have already fallen foul of the email/username rule. I don’t often comment and it’s been a while.

    I just wanted folk to know that the MAGA doxxing effort has reached even me here in London.

    Last week, two ‘professional-looking’ emails were sent to my company officers implicitly threatening consequences to their US business interests unless I am fired.

    The barbarians are now at my gates. Fun times!

  32. MsJennyMD says:

    Jon Stewart Mark Twain Award Kennedy Center 2022 – Previews to coming attractions.

    “And there’s a lot of talk right now about what’s gonna happen to comedy. You know, there was the slap. And what does the slap say about comedy, and is comedy gonna survive in this new moment? Now I’ve got news for you, comedy survives every moment. And having Bassem, here, is a really great example of the true threat to comedy.

    It’s not the woke police that are gonna be an existential threat to comedy. It’s not the Fresh Prince, it’s the crown prince. It’s not the fragility of audiences, it’s the fragility of leaders. You don’t owe us anything, as an audience. If we say **** you don’t like, say **** back, do whatever you gotta do. Don’t get up and hit us. But that’s just the game we’re in. We talk **** for a living, you talk **** back, and we just gotta be better than you. And we’ve gotta find a way to entertain you.

    But the threat to comedy, comedy doesn’t change the world, but it’s a bellwether. We’re the banana peel in the coal mine. When a society is under threat, comedians are the ones who get sent away first. It’s just a reminder to people that democracy is under threat.

    Authoritarians are the threat to comedy, to art, to music, to thought, to poetry to progress, to all those things. All that **** is a red herring. It ain’t the pronoun police, it’s the secret police. It always has been, and it always will be. And this man’s decapitated visage is a reminder to all of us that what we have is fragile, and precious.

    And the way to guard against it isn’t to change how audiences think. It’s to change how leaders lead. And so, I thank you so much for your support tonight, and for this award. Thank you. Good night.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QzUu78IXU4
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qmSdgtQFngc

  33. Honeybee says:

    Presume you have noticed: “Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan are expected to be part of a group of investors trying to buy TikTok in the US, President Donald Trump says.”

  34. wa_rickf says:

    Jimmy is coming back! : )

    Guess those Disney+ (Disney + Hulu + ESPN) cancelations must have really hurt. As John Oliver said: History will not be kind to the cowards who did not stand up to MAGA fascism.

    Michael Eisner got the message.

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