I would like to know if she had a security clearance of some sort earlier than Spring of 2003—-perhaps it started in jul/aug of 2002, when she became a secret member of WHIG? What do you think?
Anonymous says:
Poor Fitzgerald! He must be on Judy overload, and she’s such a minor player (if anyone playing in this comedy has a truly minor role). He’s so unrelentingly exact that by now he probably knows the make and the cut her underwear, where she bought them, how much (if anything) she paid for them, when she wears them, and when she takes them off, who washes them (if they’re ever washed), and what she thinks (if anything) about everyone else’s underwear. Not that he’s interested in underwear, or that Miller’s in any way interesting on this particular subject….
Anonymous says:
I doubt she had a formal clearance. Just an agreement that she would report as told if allowed to see the documents. I do security clearance defense and she would not be able to reveal any classified information as the part of the terms of any security clearance under the Executive Orders under which they are granted.
Anonymous says:
Here is what I don’t understand – I am not a journalist nor do I work for the govt. I am an average citizen.
You have Judy Miller claiming to go to jail for First Amendment reasons – refusing to reveal the identity of her source and claiming she did this because the public has a right to know, yet, she willing accepted a security clearance that forbid her to report certain things?? Something doesn’t add up here.
Anonymous says:
I do hope Fitzgerald subpoenas the any records of clearance processing for her (and I’m pretty confident he has.) Needless to say, an informal â€clearance to see kinda secret stuff in Iraq†won’t get Libby off the hook for leaking classified information, no matter how loudly the Kristols of the world bleat that â€he thought she had a clearance, so it’s no crime!â€
Anonymous says:
I’d give anything to have Richard Clarke’s take on all of this. . . Why did he visit Judy in the slammer? I can’t believe he doesn’t see right through her.
Anonymous says:
Emptywheel:
Have you talked to a book agent yet? Big publishers, the kind that give advances will be drooling over your Non fiction stuff on Mata Whoori, Jimmy Jeff, WHIG, and my hero, Fitz. You have already written it. They can have galleys in a month or two depending on what your other obligations are.
You can continue to post and use all of us as unpaid editors.
If you hesitate, someone else will simply steal your stuff. I do not know if they will be interested in your Enron comparison, but they will let you know.
http://www.authorlink.com will charge you about sixty bucks to post something for three months???. My guess is you will have twenty or thirty really good book agents pawing at you in about a week.
First, re: the big lie and stovepiping intelligence. Anyone notice how none of the people with indictments hanging over their head are from Defense? The closest would be Wolfie’s buddy Libby, but still. It astounds me that Defense, which was really the department tactically going after State and (the real) CIA, will avoid any penalty here.
Judy? Security clearance? Rummy’s personal involvement? What?
I think Defense’s invisibility spell just wore off.
Anonymous says:
Kagro,
Oh, did I forget to gleefully say that we could get at Rummy this way? I’m sorry, because that’s what I was thinking: finally we get to Defense!
Anonymous says:
I don’t know, did you say that? I couldn’t actually get a ticket to your post. They said I wasn’t â€on the list.â€
Anonymous says:
It doesn’t matter if Judy had a clearance or not. People seem to forget that Valerie Plame’s indentity was under double super secret security where her identity was on a need to know basis. Judy would *never^ have had that level of clearance. Only the inner circles of the WH and the CIA would know her status.
Anonymous says:
Regarding the Pentagon Perps: At the risk of being a broken record, I’ll say it again: Douglas Feith headed up the Office of Special Projects for Rummy (and Wolfie), specifically to find or fabricate ’intelligence’ to support the WHIG agenda. Indeed, I think it could be argued that the OSP was created as the WHIG’s work-around solution to the fact that Cheney’s intimidation tactics weren’t producing the ’intelligence’ they needed from Langley analysts. Feith’s team was all about collecting and massaging junk from drunken Iraqi ex-patriots and other sources previously discounted by real spooks. The whole thing existed to support the WHIG.
Douglas Feith most certainly had access to Valerie Plame’s identity as well as inside files on Wilson. If you’re Cheney (or Rove) and want to pre-emptively knee-cap Wilson, who do you go to for dirt? The CIA or your chums at the Pentagon? The Pentagon of course. Hell, you’re so clever, you probably have your buddy John Bolton make the request so it comes from the State Department…
Anonymous says:
Oh, we get to Defense…
through the Larry Franklin espionage case…
Anonymous says:
WASHINGTON Oct 17, 2005 — Information attributed to Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff in New York Times reporter Judith Miller’s interview notes is incorrect, offering prosecutors a potential lead to tracking the bad information to its original source.
Miller disclosed this weekend that her notes of a conversation she had with I. Lewis â€Scooter†Libby on July 8, 2003 stated Cheney’s top aide told her that the wife of Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson worked for the CIA’s Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation, and Arms Control (WINPAC) unit.
Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, never worked for WINPAC, an analysis unit in the overt side of the CIA, and instead worked in a position in the CIA’s secret side, known as the directorate of operations, according to three people familiar with her work for the spy agency. Whether it came from Libby or Miller’s notes, former federal prosecutors and investigators said the incorrect information provides a significant lead for Fitzgerald and FBI agents to follow. It could suggest Libby thought Plame was not an undercover spy, and therefore couldn’t have knowingly revealed her occupation, or that he got his information from uninformed sources, they said. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..id=1224295
Anonymous says:
I’ll give you what emptywheel’s giving the folks at Daily Kos:
First, we know that WINPAC includes Operations officers. We know, for example, that two WINPAC officers who questioned the CIA’s use of Iraqi intelligence were kicked out of WINPAC. One of these appears to be the CIA officer now suing the CIA for retaliating against him for refusing to adapt his intelligence to desired outcomes. And this officer is a DO operative—he worked with top Iraqi sources. In other words, this officer was, at one time, part of DO and part of WINPAC. So we know it’s possible.
Further, some of the details we know about Plame suggest she, too, may have had such a position. In a seminal WaPo article on the Plame Affair (George Tenet has always been considered one possible source for this article), she is described as having both an operations role and an analytical one.
She is a case officer in the CIA’s clandestine service and works as an analyst on weapons of mass destruction.
Further, CIA ubersource Vincent Cannistraro, himself the former chief of Counter-Terrorism in the DO, affirms that Plame worked for WINPAC.
Contrary to the Senate Intelligence Committee’s reporting, former CIA official Vincent Cannistraro said that Plame worked undercover for the Center for Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control, or WINPAC. (Wilson xl)
Anonymous says:
windansea
Thank you for coming over here to peddle the latest GOP talking points. Helps me keep abreast of the latest attempts to spin this without having to frequent GOP blogs. But, as Kagro points out, this one won’t last long.
Anonymous says:
The more I think about Cheney, WHIG, and OSP’s fear that WINPAC might actually sabotage their WMD hype to War(i.e. Veep, neocons, and fellow yellowcakes did/said anything to discredit CIA/INR/UN analysts and even edited by omission, exaggeration or misplaced-footnotes the NIE requested by Congress);
the more I think the Plame leak was intended to damage Valerie (slurring her husband Joe was a convenient cover)as an example to potential CIA-WINPAC leakers.
Anonymous says:
Thank you for coming over here to peddle the latest GOP talking points. Helps me keep abreast of the latest attempts to spin this without having to frequent GOP blogs. But, as Kagro points out, this one won’t last long.
EW
LOL….you have no idea what’s going to happen do you???
Fitz is playing you…the MSM…and more importantly…the real culprits like a drum
Anonymous says:
Muahahahaha! No, my evil plan is working and it is you who are being played like a drum! Yes, only I know the true seeeeeecret plaaaaaaaannnnss! Muahahahahaha!
That there can be no doubt of my superior knowledge is clearly indicated by my haughty use of the â€LOL†protocol! Muahahahahahaha!
I would like to know if she had a security clearance of some sort earlier than Spring of 2003—-perhaps it started in jul/aug of 2002, when she became a secret member of WHIG?
What do you think?
Poor Fitzgerald! He must be on Judy overload, and she’s such a minor player (if anyone playing in this comedy has a truly minor role). He’s so unrelentingly exact that by now he probably knows the make and the cut her underwear, where she bought them, how much (if anything) she paid for them, when she wears them, and when she takes them off, who washes them (if they’re ever washed), and what she thinks (if anything) about everyone else’s underwear. Not that he’s interested in underwear, or that Miller’s in any way interesting on this particular subject….
I doubt she had a formal clearance. Just an agreement that she would report as told if allowed to see the documents. I do security clearance defense and she would not be able to reveal any classified information as the part of the terms of any security clearance under the Executive Orders under which they are granted.
Here is what I don’t understand – I am not a journalist nor do I work for the govt. I am an average citizen.
You have Judy Miller claiming to go to jail for First Amendment reasons – refusing to reveal the identity of her source and claiming she did this because the public has a right to know, yet, she willing accepted a security clearance that forbid her to report certain things?? Something doesn’t add up here.
I do hope Fitzgerald subpoenas the any records of clearance processing for her (and I’m pretty confident he has.) Needless to say, an informal â€clearance to see kinda secret stuff in Iraq†won’t get Libby off the hook for leaking classified information, no matter how loudly the Kristols of the world bleat that â€he thought she had a clearance, so it’s no crime!â€
I’d give anything to have Richard Clarke’s take on all of this. . . Why did he visit Judy in the slammer? I can’t believe he doesn’t see right through her.
Emptywheel:
Have you talked to a book agent yet? Big publishers, the kind that give advances will be drooling over your Non fiction stuff on Mata Whoori, Jimmy Jeff, WHIG, and my hero, Fitz. You have already written it. They can have galleys in a month or two depending on what your other obligations are.
You can continue to post and use all of us as unpaid editors.
If you hesitate, someone else will simply steal your stuff. I do not know if they will be interested in your Enron comparison, but they will let you know.
http://www.authorlink.com will charge you about sixty bucks to post something for three months???. My guess is you will have twenty or thirty really good book agents pawing at you in about a week.
~wheel: Remember this?
Judy? Security clearance? Rummy’s personal involvement? What?
I think Defense’s invisibility spell just wore off.
Kagro,
Oh, did I forget to gleefully say that we could get at Rummy this way? I’m sorry, because that’s what I was thinking: finally we get to Defense!
I don’t know, did you say that? I couldn’t actually get a ticket to your post. They said I wasn’t â€on the list.â€
It doesn’t matter if Judy had a clearance or not. People seem to forget that Valerie Plame’s indentity was under double super secret security where her identity was on a need to know basis. Judy would *never^ have had that level of clearance. Only the inner circles of the WH and the CIA would know her status.
Regarding the Pentagon Perps: At the risk of being a broken record, I’ll say it again: Douglas Feith headed up the Office of Special Projects for Rummy (and Wolfie), specifically to find or fabricate ’intelligence’ to support the WHIG agenda. Indeed, I think it could be argued that the OSP was created as the WHIG’s work-around solution to the fact that Cheney’s intimidation tactics weren’t producing the ’intelligence’ they needed from Langley analysts. Feith’s team was all about collecting and massaging junk from drunken Iraqi ex-patriots and other sources previously discounted by real spooks. The whole thing existed to support the WHIG.
Douglas Feith most certainly had access to Valerie Plame’s identity as well as inside files on Wilson. If you’re Cheney (or Rove) and want to pre-emptively knee-cap Wilson, who do you go to for dirt? The CIA or your chums at the Pentagon? The Pentagon of course. Hell, you’re so clever, you probably have your buddy John Bolton make the request so it comes from the State Department…
Oh, we get to Defense…
through the Larry Franklin espionage case…
WASHINGTON Oct 17, 2005 — Information attributed to Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff in New York Times reporter Judith Miller’s interview notes is incorrect, offering prosecutors a potential lead to tracking the bad information to its original source.
Miller disclosed this weekend that her notes of a conversation she had with I. Lewis â€Scooter†Libby on July 8, 2003 stated Cheney’s top aide told her that the wife of Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson worked for the CIA’s Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation, and Arms Control (WINPAC) unit.
Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, never worked for WINPAC, an analysis unit in the overt side of the CIA, and instead worked in a position in the CIA’s secret side, known as the directorate of operations, according to three people familiar with her work for the spy agency.
Whether it came from Libby or Miller’s notes, former federal prosecutors and investigators said the incorrect information provides a significant lead for Fitzgerald and FBI agents to follow. It could suggest Libby thought Plame was not an undercover spy, and therefore couldn’t have knowingly revealed her occupation, or that he got his information from uninformed sources, they said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..id=1224295
I’ll give you what emptywheel’s giving the folks at Daily Kos:
Covered, September 24th:
Further, some of the details we know about Plame suggest she, too, may have had such a position. In a seminal WaPo article on the Plame Affair (George Tenet has always been considered one possible source for this article), she is described as having both an operations role and an analytical one.
Further, CIA ubersource Vincent Cannistraro, himself the former chief of Counter-Terrorism in the DO, affirms that Plame worked for WINPAC.
windansea
Thank you for coming over here to peddle the latest GOP talking points. Helps me keep abreast of the latest attempts to spin this without having to frequent GOP blogs. But, as Kagro points out, this one won’t last long.
The more I think about Cheney, WHIG, and OSP’s fear that WINPAC might actually sabotage their WMD hype to War(i.e. Veep, neocons, and fellow yellowcakes did/said anything to discredit CIA/INR/UN analysts and even edited by omission, exaggeration or misplaced-footnotes the NIE requested by Congress);
the more I think the Plame leak was intended to damage Valerie (slurring her husband Joe was a convenient cover)as an example to potential CIA-WINPAC leakers.
Thank you for coming over here to peddle the latest GOP talking points. Helps me keep abreast of the latest attempts to spin this without having to frequent GOP blogs. But, as Kagro points out, this one won’t last long.
EW
LOL….you have no idea what’s going to happen do you???
Fitz is playing you…the MSM…and more importantly…the real culprits like a drum
Muahahahaha! No, my evil plan is working and it is you who are being played like a drum! Yes, only I know the true seeeeeecret plaaaaaaaannnnss! Muahahahahaha!
That there can be no doubt of my superior knowledge is clearly indicated by my haughty use of the â€LOL†protocol! Muahahahahahaha!