Torture At The Democratic National Convention

We are now on the third day of the Democratic National Convention (DNC). I have watched most all of the major prime time speeches, thanks to the straight up coverage of CSPAN. That would correspondingly be of no thanks to the broadcast and cable networks, who cover so little of the convention itself that you wonder why they are there at all. The answer, of course, is that they are there because they think, in fact are convinced, that they are the story. The pompous, insipid and mindless babbling is simply pathetic beyond belief. It is torture to listen to.

My wife was, uncharacteristically, sitting with me watching most of Monday night’s festivities, and part of Tuesday’s including Hillary’s video tribute and speech. Her comment when asked to give her reaction on the convention was that whoever programmed the music for the event, and specifically for the intro and exit of the different speakers, should be taken out and flogged. Considering that horrid Muzak version of "You’re Still The One" that was played on either side of Ted Kennedy’s inspirational appearance, not to mention most other canned music I have heard, I agree. For the most part, it has been worse than I would expect from the Republicans, much less the Democrats. It is torture to listen to.

Sadly, that is, save for a fleeting reference by Dennis Kucinich, pretty much as close to the issue of torture as has been achieved at the DNC. The torture regime that has been instituted as the unabashed official policy of the United States is perhaps the single biggest and best example, part and parcel with the Iraq War, of the criminality and moral hell the Bush/Cheney Administration has plunged us into. It is what the rest of the world knows and sees, and what we must pull ourselves up from and rise above. Apparently it is just a little too uncomfortable for our elected leaders, party delegates and the Obama campaign to discuss though. "Change" for this crowd clearly does not include openly discussing the singularly important topic of US torture policy, the one thing that must be changed for the US to recover any global credibility.

There is another convention going on this week though, and it happens to be right here in Arizona. It is the annual convention of the American Legion. You know, the organization of veterans of the United States armed forces who served in wartime. And lo and behold they had Richard Bruce Cheney in front of them today, and had the temerity to bring up that which the folks at the DNC do not. The veterans that have fought, and lost their own doing so, for this country were hot under the collar about torture. From a CNN report:

Vice President Dick Cheney defended the Bush administration’s record on prisoner interrogations, telling a veterans’ group that its use of "alternative" techniques against suspects was legal and proper.

The local newspaper, the Arizona Republic, had this report:

The vice president prefaced his speech with a promise to avoid talk of the ongoing presidential campaign, though he reminded the group they had heard from “one of your own” the day before, GOP nominee-in-waiting Sen. John McCain.

Cheney used his remarks to the packed convention hall to review the Bush administration’s work on defense and foreign policy and to defend the president for some of his actions in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

“The war on terror is not a figure of speech,” Cheney said. “The only way to win is to go on the offensive and that is exactly what we are doing.”

He acknowledged mistakes, most notably the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib early in the Iraqi offensive. The people found responsible for those abuses were prosecuted, but “the misdeeds of the few should never be used to slander” those who did not break the law, he said.

Cheney also defended the Bush administration’s interrogation techniques, which critics say pushed and often broke through the boundaries of torture. The techniques were “entirely legal and proper and carefully reviewed by the Department of Justice,” Cheney said. “No nation in the world takes human rights more seriously than the United States.”

He voiced support for veterans’ issues, including a new GI Bill that offers education benefits similar to those given following World War II. Although Bush signed the bill, he had opposed it and threatened to veto the measure until it passed both houses of Congress with overwhelming majorities.

In remarks following Cheney’s, Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., noted that McCain and other Republicans had characterized the new benefits as too generous.

Now, granted, it may have been an opportunity for Cheney to cluck his self serving rationalization, but the discussion was being had. And Jim Webb was there to discuss further and counter Cheney. The issue was broached and discussion had. Something that ought to be going on at the Democratic National Convention; but, to date, has not in any substantive fashion. The Democrats should be leading the discussion on torture, not shying away from it.

In case anybody here has forgotten that the issue roils on in the real world, here are a few recent reminders:

Judge fears secret Gitmo habeas hearings.

A federal judge overseeing cases against dozens of Guantánamo Bay detainees said Wednesday that he fears the public — and the detainees themselves — will be locked out of the courtroom when evidence in the case is scrutinized for the first time.

Poland to investigate claims of secret CIA prisons.

Poland’s prime minister has requested an investigation into allegations there were secret prisons in the country used by the CIA to hold and question terror suspects between 2001 and 2004.

Algerian captive claims water torture at Guantanamo base.

An Algerian prisoner at Guantánamo Bay has accused his guards of using a form of waterboarding on him, his lawyer said Friday, marking the first allegation that the harsh interrogation technique was used at the U.S. military base.

Ameziane, who has been imprisoned at Guantánamo since February 2002 without being charged with crimes, told his lawyer Wells Dixon that guards at the base placed a water hose between his nose and mouth and ran it for several minutes. Ameziane said they repeated the procedure several times, nearly suffocating him.

”I had the impression that my head was sinking in water,” Ameziane, 41, wrote his lawyer in a letter. “I still have psychological injuries, up to this day. Simply thinking of it gives me the chills.”

According to Ameziane’s account, during the same alleged incident the guards applied pepper spray all over his body, hosed him down and left him shackled and shivering in wet clothes in front of an air conditioner in an interrogation room.

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  1. JimWhite says:

    Thanks for staying on this issue, bmaz. My blood boils when I realize that the United States no longer represents the highest authority on human rights. It is abundantly clear that the Washington establishment, both Democratic and Republican, has absolutely no interest in banning torture and prosecuting those who have carried it out.

    I know many think we are tilting at windmills here, but for those of you who signed ondelette’s letter to the International Criminal Court, ondelette has received confirmation from the court that the letter has been received and that the accusations made in the letter will be investigated.

    • Loo Hoo. says:

      Bum link, WO. I’m with you…we need to take this on ourselves. I do hold out hope that BC, Biden, or Obama himself will speak to this, bmaz.

  2. Leen says:

    Bmaz interesting you should bring this up. While standing in front of the MSNBC two tiered stage where they are live broadcasting from in Denver on 16 th just past Union station. A similar conversation has been taking place out in the audience. I have been asking folks what they think about the MSM? The conversation became so lively that folks started shouting “do your jobs do your jobs”. How many times do we need to hear Chris Matthews, Olberman, Nora O’ Donell, Buchanan, and the rest rehash what we have all ready seen and heard? I keep shouting to them “get out in the streets, get into those caucuses in the convention center, out into the hallways of the Pepsi Center”. “interview the people, find out why they are there and what they are thinking”. Rachel Maddow did turn around once when I shouted this (during a break) and said “sorry but we do not control the cameras”.

    Over the last two days I have been to the “Faith in Action” event, to the African American, First American, Seniors and Hispanic caucuses. Lots of interesting folks with lots to say. Yet what is the MSM covering the main speeches and what they (the media rock stars think about it and think about it and think about it).

    Many of you may not like hearing this but Chris Matthews comes into the peasant crowd more than anyone from MSNBC( in fact one of his handers tried to take him away and he actually got upset) The handler said “let’s go” Chris pulled away and asked “why”? Chris continued to interact. While I do not agree with Matthews on lots of issues he seems to have a true interest in what the peasants are thinking.

    Also sorry to say that Keith Ollberman seems very inaccessible. He has not come down to the crowd once( he is on the second tier). As the crowd shouted “Keith Keith Keith” he threw some MSNBC t shirts down to the peasants. I shouted “Keith why not come down to our level”. He really seems to be a bit self consumed. I mean these folks are his base.

    Rachel Maddow often turns around in response to things being said out in the crowd. She is friendly and accessible (still seems like one of us with huge brain capacity, hopefully becoming a star will not ruin her)

    Pat Buchanan even responds to the chanting mass with humor. Nora O’donnell seems so caught up in herself that it hurts her in the end.

    Anyway when will they show the American public all of the other exciting things going on at this convention besides the speeches from the big boys and girls. There are so many diverse opinions and discussins taking place out in streets, convention center and other events. Too bad they are not interested in sharing that.

    • Arbusto says:

      I’ve had the same thoughts regarding Keith O.. He seems to think he is channeling Edward R. Murrow, and that makes him a great journalist. His show started well but has degraded into the his answer to Lou Dobbs (though Lou at least used to label his commentaries as commentaries). Chris though accessible, is beyond redemption for good interviews and analysis.

      • Leen says:

        While I disagree with Matthews on many issues. I do not agree with you. After the invasion when he realized he was duped (he should have been getting his information from Democracy Now and the internet) he was furious and began to hammer hard on the neo-cons. The last year and a half all of the MSNBC talking heads have been marching to their orders. Endlessly talking about the campaign aud nauseum.

        They have their marching orders and obviously have become addicted to the $$$$$ and stardom. Hopefully this will not taint Rachel.

        Olberman really seems like he is awash in his stardom

    • Neil says:

      While I do not agree with Matthews on lots of issues he seems to have a true interest in what the peasants are thinking.

      He learned this value from his boss Speaker Tip O’Neill. Tip “all politics is local” O’Neill scheduled time in his district to catchup with his constituents.

  3. Leen says:

    Heading back to the Pepsi Center in Denver (in Boulder right now) in a few minutes. Spent Sunday, Monday and Tuesday at many different events. I really do feel being in the Pepsi Center (unless you are a delegate) is over rated.

    When a few friends and I hussled out of the Pepsi Center last night to beat the crowd coming out I ended up back on the 16th mall to the dancing on the streets, delegates walking around, convention visitors from all over the country. Some how the whole scene seemed surreal as I was overwhelmed with the images of what has taken place in Iraq due to my country’s invasion. Somehow the convention the hopeful words of Hillary, Ted, Michelle, Governor Strickland (used to be our congressman in Athens,) ring hollow as our nation makes an effort to walk through the blood of the Iraqi people and the destruction of their country on our way to our future. Somehow something is just not right.

    The reality is that many Americans would say “so” to those concerns.

  4. Leen says:

    One of the speakers at the Hispanic caucus said “far more salsa and tortillas are sold in the U.S. than wonder bread”

    Amy Goodman was at the Mercury Cafe in Denver last night (was unable to attend). Ralph Nader will be speaking at Univ of Denver tonight “Open up the Debates”

  5. bmaz says:

    Olbermann is famous for being an insular, stand-offish prick. I don’t know if it is still the case, but for a long time, the only way he allowed his production assistants to communicate with him was by leaving notes in a box outside of his office/dressing room door. He famously, and literally, terrorized female employees at ESPN – not sexually, just in a misogynistic way.

    • stryder says:

      Thanks for rescuing me from all the foam from the mouth.
      I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is the perfect diversion to keep everyone distracted from some sinister plot.

  6. MadDog says:

    Part of their rationale on not mentioning stuff like torture at the convention is the very same one that Nancy “Everything is off the table” Pelosi has used to avoid her constitutional responsibilities; namely that the Repugs would use it to label the Democrats “soft on terror”.

    The “politics of timidity” fits quite nicely into the Democratic Leadership’s scheme of things, and is warmly embraced by Nancy and Harry, Rahm and Steny.

    Don’t point out that the criminals have been and are still committing crimes. Just pretend that you don’t see it. Just pretend!

    • stryder says:

      “Don’t point out that the criminals have been and are still committing crimes. Just pretend that you don’t see it. Just pretend”

      I tried,but then I opened one eye and guess what I saw
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..709/572881

      Carl Lindner, an Ohio billionaire with CIA and underworld connections who owned Chiquita Bananas, was Charles Keating’s original partner, banker, and mentor. Lindner got Keating wrapped up with schemes involving the usual cast of BCCI characters, shady Saudi bankers, the Bush family, and Iran-Contra money laundering. Keating was always a sort of pass-through guy, without any real money of his own. But, a lot of money flowed through Keating to McCain and his wife, Cindy, in an Arizona real estate scam. Lindner who was recently convicted of financing Right-wing death squads in Colombia, is still giving big, dirty campaign checks to McCain. Now, that’s a story that the American people need to hear.

      leveymg’s Journal – THE CRIMES AND COVERUPS OF JOHN McCAIN, “REFORMER” Jun 3, 2008 … Like the Bush Family, McCain had his Hand in the BCCI and S&L Scandals McCain claims that his involvement in the Keating S&L scandal wasn’t …
      http://journals.democraticundergroun… – 48k

      McCain Backer’s Firm Pleaded Guilty To Funding Terrorist Group In Colombia …Jul 2, 2008 … Late last week, Lindner co-hosted a $25000-per-person fundraiser for McCain and the Republican Party in the wealthy Indian Hills …
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

  7. barne says:

    Josh Marshall asks an important question about convention coverage. Anybody know how to find out who was involved in this decision?

    “Why did the Democrats let Fox News be in charge of the camera feeds for all the news networks?

    Can’t get my head around that one.

    At the moment, Fox News has cut away from Mark Warner’s keynote address to show Sean Hannity and Rudy Giuliani talking about Bill Ayers.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/210620.php

  8. ally says:

    More shameful than the TradMedia convention coverage – is that cheney would get to address ANY veterans group, ever. Really shameful, that.

  9. MadDog says:

    OT – Chairman Conyer’s wastes no time:

    Conyers Sets Deadline For Production of US Attorney Documents

    …Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) sent a letter to White House Counsel Fred Fielding setting a September 4, 2008, deadline for the White House to comply with its obligations regarding production of documents under the July 31 Order issued by U.S. District Judge John Bates in Committee on the Judiciary v. Miers. The letter also notes that a hearing at which Harriet Miers is to appear pursuant to subpoena has been rescheduled for September 11, 2008…

    Snarky Fielding letter here.

  10. Mary says:

    Well, you sure didn’t see them offer a sat link for someone like Arar to tell his story to the convention goers and thereby force it into msm coverage.

    The Democrats as a party have no more or less of a problem with torture than the Republicans. You have a few unique individuals, Nadler maybe, Harkin maybe, Feingold, Leahy maybe, Wexler, and … not many more come to mind (although I’m game to believe another 10 or 12 names, total, might be compiled) and that’s it.

    Obama makes sure, in his GITMO speeches, to promise not to give the terrorists the same rights as Americans – – – that is such pandering crap it makes me flinch.

    No one has had much of a mention of 60 or so children dead in Afghanistan either.

    As a matter of fact, Bush’s policies have been so fully embraced by silence or by nods of acquiesence, that you wonder what the lampshades they are wearing on their heads in the parties are made of.

    • skdadl says:

      Oh, Mary, specifically on torture, I can give you more names because I comb the YouTube woods looking for good guys as well as bad. Delahunt, eg, has been Arar’s most dogged champion even in committees where he isn’t a member. And I know that a lot of people here will find this hard to stomach, but Lindsey Graham has been more than principled on the topic of torture, I assume because he was a JAG. You can tell, eg, in his exchange with Hartmann, that that came from the guts — most effective dismissal we saw.

      The whole of Levin’s side in Armed Services were great as well in that long session in June.

      And I know he’s not a congresscrittur, but I never miss a chance to pay tribute to your brilliant Lt-Cmdr William Kuebler, who is Khadr’s defence attorney. I’m sure he’s just one of many, but he will be honoured here for a long time.

  11. skdadl says:

    Thank you for this post, bmaz. Except for adding informational links, I try to be restrained here on this topic, but it is the issue that is driving me at home, partly because of my own government’s complicity in too much already and then, beyond that, because of something so important to me about human minds.

    The nightmare of the last eight years has arisen from criminal behaviour, internationally and domestically. It can’t be treated seriously as just a question of policy differences, and I understand why you are so frustrated listening to establishment politicians who can’t spit out the truth.

    But we can. We just have to keep doing that. Thank you for your spitting. *wink*

    I should be back at our place finishing my crib of your last GTMO piece, except I can never resist watching your roll call, even when I know it’s rigged. And now you’ve lapped me with that new news from Judge Leon. (If Marie Roget shows up, tell her you haven’t seen me.)

  12. dosido says:

    I’m glad to know the peasants are sticking it to MSM royalty. It isn’t limited to the convention coverage. While watching the Olympics, towards the end after patting themselves on the back for enjoying themselves so much, the bloated heads treated themselves to a montage of…themselves. I would never have imagined this during the ABC days of Wide World of Sports.

    Again, I’m proud of the rowdy peasants yelling at the so-called journalists/TV Starz.

  13. dosido says:

    P.S. I would like to see someone wear a T shirt “Even Bush deserves a fair trial” to be prominently displayed on MSM. I know. I’m dreamin’

  14. Loo Hoo. says:

    As a matter of fact, Bush’s policies have been so fully embraced by silence or by nods of acquiesence, that you wonder what the lampshades they are wearing on their heads in the parties are made of.

    ooooh, Mary. Ouch.

  15. readerOfTeaLeaves says:

    Driveby, but I know that Harry Reid comes in for a lot of scorn around these here parts — but I **love** what he is saying at the Dems convention. He’s talking about the chokehold that dictators and repressive regimes have on oil, that oil lies at the heart of our problems.

    Drilling offshore, he says is: “An 18th century to a 21st century problem… time to recognize that our security rests on [better energy policy].”

    Oops!! Pardon me, I forgot — what really matters at the convention is… ummmm… Hillary’s ‘body language’?

    Harry Reid may not have given a stemwinder, but by God what he said at that convention would be ‘front page top of the fold’ if the press was actually l-i-s-t-e-n-i-n-g…. (sigh)

  16. Mary says:

    24 – Actually Graham is one of my big problems skdadl. You can tell from his questioning that he knows, and he knows better. You can tell he has the information and now and then he’ll even make the “right” statements. But then he takes his knowledge and uses it to help craft the DTA and MCA in ways that don’t accomplish anything this country can be proud of, and instead throws out lifelines for depravity.

    Putting the made up exchange on the DTA in the Senate record is just one example, but from it, you can see he knew the issue, knew what would come up, and wanted so badly to keep those innocent people at GITMO trapped in torture — and wanted so badly to make sure the officers and CIC walk away unscathed and without their actions ever even getting sunshine, that he went as far as that farce. If you go back and watch his Alito questioning, too, you can see he was very focused on making Alito commit to not allowing for any habeas or anti-torture protections for “detainees.”

    That’s why Graham is, to me, like a Bellinger or Comey. He knows better, but what he used his knowledge for is beyond creepy. And Levin, as co-sponsor of the DTA, co-sponsored it knowing of all the claims of innocents beingheld at not just GITMO but throughout Iraq and Afghanistan and in black sites all over, and even with that knowledge – – he specifically sponsored a suspension of habeas for those people. Whether he was sponsoring a suspension of habeas for “all” (as Graham claimed and Levin denied) cases, or only for any case not already filed, it’s a quantitative, not qualitative, difference. He deliberately co-sponsored amnesty for torture and Congressional approval of the torture past, and a system where victims of torture future would never, ever, ever, see the light of day bc he was taking any hope of hearing, any right of habeas, from them.

    So even though miles may vary, those two won’t make my list. They are good at the Kabuki though.

    22 – I’d pay to see someone with a t-shirt that says: “TORTURE: What did Nancy Pelosi know and when did she know it?”

    But it’s all pretty worthless now. Torture is America now. Neither party is about “changing” from torturers to those who bring accountability to torturers.

    • skdadl says:

      Well, at least you left me with Delahunt …

      Mary, I know that you speak the truth. I don’t know why I keep trying to think better of at least some of these people since the other side of me is so fuming furious at what has been done to so many bodies and minds.

      But I do. And then I read you, and I believe you and I’m grateful to you. And then …

  17. Mary says:

    When Albright says we can’t trust Republicans to run the wars, what about PNAC members – like, um, Albright?

  18. Mary says:

    I do leave you Delahunt. And Graham did at least allow Leahy to derail Haynes – without that, the DiFis and Schumers would ahve been putting him on the Circuit Court in a heartbeat. I’ll not only give you Kuebler, I’ll add that there are really too many JAG to try to list.

    Unlike DOJ and Congress.

    You keep thinking better of many of them for the same reasons that there are not huge numbers of people up in arms – – they are all about the coverups and PR and self congratulatory staged events. All the information that they put out publically and that gets staged for consumption puts the best face on all of it – – also relies on there being so much that no one can remember it all. And they love the little rolling disclosures that make it sound like circumventing the Geneva Conventions was all about not having to provide PX access for murdering terrorists, not so much about kidnapping children and crippled old men and crazy guys and engaging in torture and human experimentation. So it all starts to sound so innocuous, and as if these guys are really being “serious” and “concerned” Levin knows just how to stage prop those glasses on his nose.

    31 – Thanks. I guess I should at least get me one, even if no one else has one.

    Interesting post at Kos, linking to Wired,
    http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok…..-face.html
    which linked to DIGG

    I guess digg took questions from its community and voted on the top questions to send to Pelosi. No. 1 question was about net neutrality – – but No 2 question as ranked by their community was

    whether the Democrats will “repeal anti-freedom measures such as the Patriot Act, ban warrantless wiretapping, and make sure that all prisoners held by the US enjoy the same civil rights (including habeas corpus)” if Barack Obama wins the election in November.

    Take note of how much time Dems have spent touching on these two, top ranked, questions from the online community. *sigh* At least their silence will look good next to the Republican cheerleading for further abuses.

  19. ThingsComeUndone says:

    This is the story I hope it gets featured on the front page.
    Would Darth torture John McCain is a question everyone should be asking.
    That and is Bush going to fight over whether or not he is torturing people by debating what the definition of “is ” is

  20. R.H. Green says:

    Extending what Mary@ 28 indicated about Graham, there are several that seem to be following a script of talking the talk that goes with a, what,(70%)?, wrongtrack polling datum. They seem to know what to say to keep up an image; this includes Reid, and (did you get a load of Givemhell Hoyer barking as a bastion of liberal values, as well as Olberman, who seemed to suddenly find his voice when the Dems were elected in ‘06. Yet, those like Graham know exactly how to craft the legislation to enable the sadistic tyrants, AND talk the rhetoric of civil liberties at the same time.

  21. WilliamOckham says:

    On Aug. 21, the British High Court ruled that the Foreign Office had to turn over documents (from MI5) to the defense lawyers for Binyam Mohamed, who will be going on trial at GITMO. The case was argued by Philippe Sands, among others. Today, the U.S. State Department whined that turning over the documents would cause:

    serious and lasting damage to the US-UK intelligence-sharing relationship and thus the national security of the UK, and the aggressive and unprecedented intervention in the apparently functioning adjudicatory processes of a longtime ally of the UK, in contravention of well-established principles of international comity.

    As Marty Ledermans says:

    Which is no doubt true: If the UK court publicly reveals that the United States rendered Mohamad to Morocco and Pakistan in order that he could be tortured, the U.S. government will be none too pleased, and will naturally be reluctant to trust the British in the future with secret evidence of torture and other war crimes. Which will in turn mean that the U.S. will be much more wary about conscripting the British to assist in such crimes.

    The important question, of course, is whether “lasting damage” to that sort of unlawful US-UK “relationship” is something that we should regret, and that the British court should endeavor to avoid.

  22. Mary says:

    Ok, I’m hearing the music for the first night, and I have to admit, playing chain of fools when they cut to the Dems at the convention, then addicted to love as Clinton leaves the stage – – bad choices.

  23. Mary says:

    36 – yeah, and we saw how the US works that relationship anyway. The brits share info with the US on the group they are monitoring in Britain and their contact in Pakistan, and the US just jumps in and uses that info for domestic political purposes and forces Pak arrests that send the Brits scrambling at home, all without notice.

    All the rendition stories talk about the pictures taken of the stripped detainees and in the case of Binyam Mohammed, he says that the Moroccan torture including cutting his genitals was in evidence when the pictures were taken. But Congress isn’t too interested in sking anyone under oath about the picture taking or what happened to all the perverse pictures of the helpless, stripped detainees and the courts don’t seem very interested in following up on when and at whose direction those photos were destroyed or not turned over either. And the questions about the 11 yo American child held in Afghanistan – – the Convention seems to be a wonderful excuse for ignoring that.

    Kerry makes a point, but misses it, when he says Obama will make it clear the United States does not torture, not now, not ever.

    How do you make that “clear” when it isn’t true?

    I guess just plenty of amnesty bills and lots of looking the other way. Hard for me to boo yah on that one.

  24. 4jkb4ia says:

    Claudia Kennedy: Torture does not work.

    OK, Kerry made a tense error. Obama can make it clear that we no longer torture by withdrawing all of the legal advice that says we can and appointing people who have always been against torture to DOJ. This admittedly says nothing about whether we prosecute the people who gave this advice or the people who relied on it. But we can say that we have a new moral regime, the way it should have been all along.