The US Prison Colony

I’m not in the least surprised by the LAT report that Obama is trying to come up with a compromise plan that would allow it to use Bagram as its terrorist prison even after it hands over the prison to the Afghans.

The Obama administration wants to retain the ability to hold terrorism suspects from other countries at its largest prison in Afghanistan, even after it hands control of the facility to the Afghan government next year, according to U.S. officials.

If Afghan officials agree, it would give the administration a place to interrogate terrorism suspects captured in countries such as Somalia or Yemen. President Obama made a high-profile pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, after taking office last year. But that would leave the administration without a lockup for those suspected of plotting attacks against the United States.

It’s how story describes the thought process by which existing options cannot be used.

Despite the insistence that no final decision has been made on Bagram, officials note that other options for holding terrorism suspects are being cut off.

The current version of the Defense authorization bill, a spending plan that has been approved by the House of Representatives and is being debated by the Senate, restricts the Obama administration from renovating a state prison in Illinois to hold detainees from Guantanamo.

Although primarily intended to hold such detainees, the prison in Thomson, Ill., also could have been used to hold other non-American terrorism suspects.

[snip]

Senior Defense officials have expressed frustration that the U.S. lacks an overseas prison where new terrorism suspects can be held. Some Defense officials believe the U.S. is often pushed into trying to kill militants, instead of attempting to capture and question them. Some detainees can be held by friendly governments in the countries in which they are captured. But in such situations, American interrogators do not have control of the suspects.

Note all the assumptions here: that the US needs a “special” prison, distinct from the prisons where the US is already holding and questioning terrorist detainees like the undie-bomber and Faisal Shahzad. That, in turn, suggests both that they envision questioning people who might not meet US standards for arrest and that they may not want to give these detainees any rights.

Also according to the article, the Administration also believes it needs to hold these detainees in custody themselves, rather than have allies hold them. In cases like Egypt and Jordan, where detention by allies may amount to torture, I’m fine with the distinction. But the need to hold detainees directly also suggests a need for total control of detainees.

And so, as a result, we’re actually entertaining a granting Afghanistan a false sovereignty, where we give them their prisons back, but still use them as the US prison colony.

I’m sure doing so wouldn’t contribute at all to discrediting the Karzai government and/or inflaming Islamic extremism in the country. Really.

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17 replies
  1. BoxTurtle says:

    That, in turn, suggests both that they envision questioning people who might not meet US standards for arrest and that they may not want to give these detainees any rights.

    There you go again, you DFH blogger. The government is ONLY trying to protect sources and methods and the detainees will be handled in strict compliance with the AFM.

    Boxturtle (Any lawyer who can say that to a judge with a straight face is worth Big Bucks)

    • PJEvans says:

      (Any lawyer who can say that to a judge with a straight face is worth Big Bucks)

      or needs to be locked up to protect society.

  2. DWBartoo says:

    We are a nation of assumptions. If we should run out of assumptions then myths will have to do.

    What better fate than for Afghanistan to be a prison colony of the most powerful nation this world has ever been blessed with?

    “They” are safer “with” us than “against” us … or not.

    Surely, EW, you do not imagine that concerns for actual human beings or consequence are part of our calculus, “looking forward”?

    If we intend to have eternal war, then we are going to need SOME place to put all those who would dare resist our inevitability.

    Everywhere is the battlefield, except where there are prisons.

    Someday, everywhere will be a prison, and then, sadly, the glorious war will be over.

    What Gawd’s chosen people will do then, heaven, alone knows.

    Reason, humanity, and justice have fled. No one knows when, if ever, they might return.

    Thank you for updating our accelerating slide into total ignominy, EW, as it is always good to know where we are headed. (It helps with the packing)

    DW

  3. Night Owl says:

    Back to the future…

    Sounds eerily similar to the rendition deal Clinton did with Egypt in 1995.

    In 1995, American agents proposed the rendition program to Egypt, making clear that it had the resources to track, capture, and transport terrorist suspects globally — including access to a small fleet of aircraft. Egypt embraced the idea….Technically, U.S. law requires the CIA to seek assurances from foreign governments that rendered suspects won’t be tortured. Scheuer told me that this was done, but he was not sure if any documents confirming the arrangement were signed. However, Scheuer testified before Congress that no such assurances were received.

    Im sure no-torture assurances from Kabul will be similarly forthcoming.

  4. phred says:

    Another day, another outrage from Obama.

    It is outrageous for anyone to suggest that the United States “needs” a foreign facility to hold prisoners. That is a clear admission of the total abandonment of the rule of law by our government.

    Evidently the constitution is only a prop for photogenic speeches these days. Heaven forbid we actually abide by it.

    I have nothing left but contempt for Obama and his henchmen. I dearly dearly hope that the international community hits their breaking point, and soon, and finds a way to crack down on the rampant lawless behavior of our government.

    • DWBartoo says:

      Yes, phred, someone will have to stop “us”, for “we” will not, “we” cannot, stop ourselves.

      If we cannot be stopped by international law, and we cannot, then it will take something much sterner, and the peoples of the world are still frightened of America’s destructive power and her willingness to use it …
      but that will, inevitably, change.

      The battlefield, we claim, is everywhere.

      We forget the truth of that, too conveniently for our own good.

      It is not only chickens which come “home” to roost.

      We “believe” that we seal the fate of others, when it is our own that we now determine.

      (Good to “see” you, BTW)

      DW

      • phred says:

        Good to see you too : )

        The public is being held hostage by a government that has declared itself beyond the reach of the law. There was a time when I had hoped the Article 3 branch would rise to the occasion, but I have little hope in that now. The willingness of the courts to defer to the King’s decrees of state secrets coupled with their own strict interpretation of standing leaves me with little hope.

        Scott Horton has argued that the international community has been waiting to see if we will clean up after ourselves. The whole world bought into Hope and Change. Horton suggested that if we failed to restore the rule of law that the international community would act. I hope he is right, but I am not holding my breath.

        Oddly enough, I can’t help wondering whether the US support of Israel in light of the flotilla fiasco might finally be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. We’ll see…

        • DWBartoo says:

          I think, phred, that what we will see is America and Israel, who share the same philosophy of war and the notion of the whole world as battlefield, simply continue, together, to insult and assault the rest of the world’s people, intelligence, and reason, periodically upping the “ante” until it literally will be America and Israel against the world, as treaties, and agreements and “understandings” fall victim to “pragmatic” polices of expedience, hubris, and utter disdain of the humanity of any but Gawd’s chosen.

          As we have dispensed with the rule of law in America and the Israelis have done in Israel, together we will have NO respect for the laws of nations, indeed (and in deed), we have none now.

          This behavior will continue for as long as these two nations have hegemony over the “resources” necessary to the endless and eternal war upon principle in which the destructive duo are engaged. As America spends more on “defense” than the rest of the world’s nations combined, and has more “foreign” military bases as well, the “standoff” will continue, regardless of “legal” maneuvering, until such a time as America and its pit-bull are considered, on the basis of their behavior, regardless of their palaver, to be on par with what we, less than honestly, call “Hitler’s Germany”.

          I am convinced that the rest of the world does not realize that “we” are already “there”.

          DW

  5. Leen says:

    Obama Pledges To End Torture To Help ‘Regain America’s Moral Stature In The World’
    http://thinkprogress.org/?p=32392,

    “OBAMA: Yes. I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that. I have said repeatedly that America doesn’t torture, and I’m going to make sure that we don’t torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America’s moral stature in the world.”

    Holow words

  6. skdadl says:

    it would give the administration a place to interrogate terrorism suspects captured in countries such as Somalia or Yemen

    Out of respect for EW and my friends here, I won’t cut loose over that statement the way I might at home. Besides, given what I know of what the CIA (and others) have already done to Somalia, I just couldn’t find words to express my contempt and anger at the many presumptions of such a policy — I’ll just sit here emitting bad noises.

  7. manys says:

    The reason we need Bagram is that we’re running out of lawless places to do certain things. I think this story says something else in that the US seems to be confident that Afghanistan is a good place to do things that might be illegal elsewhere. Oh well, nation-building is someone else’s problem. Probably the Afghans’.

    • BoxTurtle says:

      Why go to that much trouble? Deny everything until some DFH blogger finds the clue and traces it back. Then deny everything until you can get the prisoners transfered. Then move a few “show” prisoners into the facility and let the Red Cross inspect all they want.

      The only remedy is impeachment and do you really think congress is going to impeach over the human rights of Scary Brown Moslems?

      Boxturtle (It’s good to be King)

  8. bmaz says:

    It is all about appearances for the Obama Administration:

    The Obama administration has been delaying the release of a Justice Department report that ties the growing availability of methamphetamine in the U.S. to large-scale production of the drug in Mexico.

    The delay, according to [1] The New York Times, is partly a response to the increasingly delicate politics of the U.S.-Mexico border and drugs. The report, by the department’s National Drug Intelligence Center, was to be handed out at a law enforcement conference in San Diego last month, but the White House officials raised concerns because that same week President Felipe Calderón of Mexico was coming to Washington for a state visit.

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