There’s No Doubt the GOP Now Has Weapons of Mass Destruction [UPDATE-1]
[NB: Check the bylines, thanks. Updates at the bottom of this post. /~Rayne]
I’ve been frozen by anguish and anger, unable to write something about the mass murder in Uvalde, Texas. Whatever I dump here emerges from this, and some of it will be others’ words because they’ve said it better and more succinctly.
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We’ve had some discussion in one of the threads about Beto O’Rourke’s attempt to question current Texas governor Greg Abbott about Abbott’s response to Uvalde.
Abbott’s minions shouted down O’Rourke, who as a Texan was entitled to know what the state’s top elected official was doing in response to the mass murder.
This encapsulates everything which is wrong with Abbott — he and the people he surrounds himself with don’t give a flying fuck about Texans. The Abbott administration is a goddamned joke.
This careless disregard will affect more than a couple of generations of Texans who’ve already had to deal with Abbott’s general uselessness against Texas’s isolated energy grid which killed a child along with 110 other Texans in 2021.
To be a young Latin person in Texas right now is painful because this is now the second time in recent years a mass shooting has primarily affected our community and once again our governor has shown he couldn’t care less about our lives.
— Olivia Julianna (@0liviajulianna) May 26, 2022
57.5% of Texas is not white; the largest portion of this non-white population is Hispanic/Latin, making up 39.3% of the state’s citizens according to a badly-run 2020 US Census which undercounted Texas citizens and undocumented residents alike.
Which means Texas is more than 40% Hispanic/Latin and Gov. Greg Abbott could give a flying fuck how they feel about Tuesday’s mass murder he enabled by signing an bill with the loosest open carry regulations in the nation.
He really hasn’t given but lip service after previous mass murders with assault weapons in his state, supporting increasing laxity about gun control in Texas in spite of six mass shootings since he was first elected governor in 2015.
Not just supporting increasing laxity, but doing so in the face of a majority’s support for increased gun controls from banning assault rifles to background checks before sales.
The Texas Tribune does a phenomenal job of laying out how Abbott has consistently ignored Texans’ sentiments while not pointing a finger at him alone. Abbott is doing what the GOP and its foreign-financed sponsor the National Rifle Association have wanted him to do: demoralize Texans and destabilize it so that state and federal government are undermined and lose support of the people.
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We had quite a few heated discussions here in the wake of George Floyd’s murder-by-cop and subsequent protests against police abuse. The heat focused on “defunding the police” rather than the problem itself: increasing militarization of the police at all levels has not led to fewer murders-by-cop, nor to reducing the number of BIPOC Americans murdered by cop, extrajudicially executed by police who’ve more or less been granted absolute immunity because of the way “qualified immunity” has been applied.
Stop arguing about the effectiveness of the message, “defund the police.” Don’t even try to offer “reform policing” as an alternative. Not when police stood by and let a shooter terrorize and murder a classroom yesterday, restraining parents from going in to help, whisking cops’ kids to safety, coaching potential victims to yell for police help only to have the shooter kill a victim who yelled, “Help!”
According to officials:
– the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
– police on scene left him in there
– when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
– after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://t.co/0V1JJOkY2B pic.twitter.com/Dwt0vGfKtQ
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) May 26, 2022
These people right here:
can’t wait till these people get millions more in ‘community policing’ disbursements from the Biden administration, so they can mint a solid platinum “fuck them kids” challenge coin pic.twitter.com/n2Pro2Z51V
— inverted vibe curve: burgertown must be defended (@PatBlanchfield) May 26, 2022
called the U.S. Border Patrol to help them unlock a fucking classroom door.
$4 million a year –40% of its annual budget — plus grants the city of Uvalde has spent on policing only to have their police attacking frightened parents in some twisted form of crowd control as they stood there outside a locked classroom waiting for the gunman to do whatever it was he was going to do.
Greg Abbott went to a fundraiser that evening even as the blood of children and their teacher dried on the floor of that once locked classroom, as their parents’ DNA was collected for identifying the victims who had surely be turned into mincemeat by an AR-15. That was his response to the mass shooting: pay me, I’m delivering for you, he is telling his sponsors who are perfectly alright with a demoralized, destabilized Texas.
This is the response of police elsewhere: double down on what hasn’t worked since 1999 in Columbine.
[Tweet deleted by Rochester @News_8 which said police there were looking into more active shooter training]
It’s only a matter of time before we are offered the excuse that the AR-15 armed killer could take out Uvalde’s police the way the AR-15 armed killer took out the armed guard at the grocery store in Buffalo NY during a mass shooting ten days earlier.
Except there’s no comparison between a lone security guard not wearing a plate carrier and a militarized SWAT team which should have had far more training to deal with a lone gunman situation.
We’ve already heard the excuse from that malignant sluggard Abbott that the shooter was mentally ill, an assumption based on little to know evidence. And of course Abbott is responsible for the cutting funding for mental health care in Texas.
Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a “mental health challenge” and the state needed to “do a better job with mental health” — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs.
In addition, Texas ranked last out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia for overall access to mental health care, according to the 2021 State of Mental Health in America report.
“We as a state, we as a society, need to do a better job with mental health,” Abbott said during a news conference at Robb Elementary School, where a gunman shot and killed 19 children and two teachers on Tuesday. …
Texans, you can do better than this lousy lying hack. You deserve better. Se merecen algo mejor que Abbott, tejanos.
Take it all down and start over. Rethink public safety from the ground up because it’s not working and it only gives the worst kinds opportunities to grift — like Abbott’s fundraising.
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Even more frustrating than the endless stream of pablum offered by stupid gits like Ted Cruz, or rebellious threats against the president like Florida’s state house rep Randy Fine is the inability to connect dots.
The mass murder by an AR-15 carrying teen and previous mass shootings have been encouraged by the GOP because they are bought and owned by the gun manufacturers’ lobby, the NRA. The NRA doesn’t give a shit about Americans; it only cares that there is a sustained market for its products. It only cares that a minority of Americans are rabid enough about gun rights to act as enforcers for the lobby’s demands.
The lobby itself has been bought and owned by Russia following the 2010 Citizens United decision; a flood of Russian money laundered through the NRA bought GOP elected officials and candidates.
The Senate Finance Committee’s 2019 report based on an 18-month investigation said the NRA was a Russian ‘foreign asset’ before the 2016 election.
Considering who the NRA continues to support with campaign donations — like Senators Mitch McConnell (total $1,267,139 )and Rand Paul (total $104,456) whose state Kentucky has also been courted with Russian oligarch money — it’s likely still a foreign asset.
The NRA continues to buy the GOP; it remains pleased with the results of its lobbying because it hasn’t changed its mode of operation no matter how many mass shootings and deaths there have been.In short, Russia is conducting war on the US through its proxies the NRA and the GOP, ensuring weapons of mass destruction remain in the hands of people who are vulnerable to messaging encouraging violence — messaging which may arise from active measures over social media as a subset of Russia’s hybrid warfare..
The GOP need not worry about Putin escalating his assault on Ukraine into a nuclear war involving the US.
They’re already killing plenty of Americans using American weapons of mass destruction on American soil without a single drop of blood spattered on Putin’s doorstep.
Why would Putin waste a single warhead when the GOP will do all the dirty work for him, sitting on their hands and taking NRA money rather than do what has been proven effective (ban assault weapons) and what is popular (background checks on all gun buyers)?
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A Twitter thread recap of Uvalde’s preventable disaster:
Let’s review the (reported) performance of the Uvalde Police and CBP response team on Tuesday:
– Waited 35-60 minutes before entering school while kids bled out, wasting golden hour
– Tazed / arrested parents begging them to go in, and attempting to rescue their kids themselves
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
Do something. Fucking do something constructive to stop this madness, you book-burning child-killing hacks with the R after your name.
Science points to laws that would work to reduce shootings, to lower death: https://t.co/Nv0WXCVkTe pic.twitter.com/5z5nvdKuoX
— Scientific American (@sciam) May 26, 2022
For Democrats who were elected to serve this nation, stop enabling both the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction here in our own backyards. Stop enabling lousy policing which clearly isn’t solving the problem of mass shootings in public spaces while it punches down on the public it’s supposed to serve.
For those of us who vote D, help people get IDs to vote, help them register, make sure every voter you know is educated about the ballot in your state/county/city/precinct, and get every voter to polls for the remaining primaries and the mid-term election in November. The life you save may be your own.
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UPDATE-1 — 11:00 P.M. 26-MAY-2022 —
I called it.
Texas Police Lieutenant Says Cops Were Reluctant to Engage Gunman Because ‘They Could’ve Been Shot’https://t.co/Af393QBrpC
— Mediaite (@Mediaite) May 26, 2022
They had gear as well as training and they weren’t willing to use it because they might have been shot. It’s called dereliction of duty.
If they don’t want to police, then fucking defund the police. Use the budget to deal with the root causes like improved local mental health care and services for precarious residents.
Sick. Furious. I don’t know how to comfort my friends who have children in K-12 education, nor my friends who are teachers in K-12.
So much has been forced on teachers with Chris Rufo’s Russian active measure pushing CRT as a threat to education and families along with goddamned Ron DeSantis’s Don’t Say Gay bullshit — and now we’re asking them to do even more than they’re already doing to keep children safe during GOP-sanctioned mass shootings? They’re deliberately destroying public education with this unending stream of crap.
She drove 40 miles Can you imagine what she went through just in those ~40 minutes?
“I’m EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let’s pick up the pace Texans.
That’s a Greg Abbott tweet, 12:53 PM · Oct 28, 2015
https://twitter (dot) com/GregAbbott_TX/status/659427797853536256?s=20&t=6EnCKXDxL29sDDS04JnAxA
Then he linked an article “Texas request to buy guns tops 1 million for year”
That’s one million gun purchases in a single year, some 6 1/2 years ago now. Unreal.
I saw someone point out on Twitter yesterday that the US has more guns than cars — and that’s saying something since there are more cars than drivers.
The NRA has been up against a saturated market for years. It’s used FUD to continue hypersaturation of the market, and Greg Abbott is one of the NRA’s handmaidens serving up FUD.
More guns than people in USAmerica.
More guns per person (about 120 guns for every 100 people) than anywhere else in the world. Yemen is #2 and Serbia is #3.
About 3% of gun-owners own about half of all the guns.
PS: Republicanist policies are not killing “Americans” because the people who die from gunshots are not usually Republicanists who are the only real and valid “Americans.”
PPS: Cure Violence Global
has a different idea from “moar guns!!!” to stop violence.
That’s what Three Percenters really means.
Police rules of engagement are designed to do one thing: protect the cops. Period.
It’s why we simultaneously are told that cops are essentially given licenses to kill anyone who looks at them crossways, because they “feared for their lives” or somesuch, but it’s OK that armed officers with tactical gear and training cannot storm a classroom with an active shooter inside.
Like many of our so-called patriots strutting around with their guns like an Afghan warlord (feel free to edit that if you think it’s out of line)… they’re cowards. Cucks. Lots of other terms that I could use and which would sting them like they deserve, but I won’t say. They’re terrified of a world in which they aren’t perfectly safe, where they don’t rule the roost, and are willing to expose the rest of us to untold dangers so they don’t ever have to worry about what it’s like to not be the a member of the upper caste.
One interesting thing about the political culture of Texas is that Texas politicians (unlike Republicans elsewhere) are generally smart enough not to antagonize the local Latino population, and/or carefully limit their rants to “illegals” and Blacks, treating native-born Tejanos as essentially honorary white people. And this works, which is a big reason why Texas is still a red state despite no ethnic group having a majority. Anti-intersectionality (“if you vote with us, we promise to only eat THEIR faces, not yours”) is, unfortunately, a thing. How to overcome that, I don’t know.
Thorstein Veblen from The Theory of the Leisure Class, written over 120 years ago:
“It is noticeable, for instance, that even very mild-mannered and matter-of-fact men who go out shooting are apt to carry an excess of arms and accoutrements in order to impress upon their own imagination the seriousness of their undertaking. These huntsmen are also prone to histrionic, prancing gait and to an elaborate exaggeration of the motions, whether of stealth or on onslaught, involved in their deeds of exploit.”
The Dems should make the Rs do a talking filibuster on this and every social program that the Rs want to block. No more 60-vote crap” – make them own it, every time. And use those votes in ads against them. Most votes never get reported in the media, so people really don’t know how their congresscritters vote.
It’s an OUTRAGE that Schumer has not already forced talking filibusters.
I completely agree and I wonder how the police union will justify the documented inaction by Uvalde’s high-priced SWAT team that apparently didn’t even think to use tear gas when they had the chance. Once the shooting was well underway, TG might have killed the kids by itself. However, the gunman didn’t have any gas countermeasures and that might have saved some lives instead of sitting on their thumbs and threatening to taze parents who wanted to go in.
The cops like to think of themselves as ‘warriors for justice’ but we keep seeing examples like this in addition to outright criminality of all sorts and the unions demand zero accountability. If they really were warriors they’d man up. It will also be interesting to see how the Uvalde community deals with their cops at the next budget meeting.
PJ’s right about making them talk about it on the record (see how RoJo and Cruz fled reporters) as well as making them vote for it on the record. Schumer probably won’t win the battle but this is how the Ds will win the war.
FWIW, NONE of the GQP’s ideas have worked where they’ve been tried, so it’s time to do stuff that does work.
No matter how corrupt and racist the NYPD was and is, at least they were heroes on 9/11.
These chuckleheads, OTOH….
Of course, “the cops aren’t gonna save you” is being bandied about by the usual suspects as justification for why we need moar guns, and why Mrs. Thornhumple in the second grade should have had a Glock in her handbag and eighty hours of training down at the range.
An entire nation that had just lost its nut was advised to go shopping. Feeling this to be an inadequate response, they instead took to worshipping first responders as comic book heroes. It hasn’t really paid off (but shopping just wasn’t going to be enough to take the edge off).
Well, there are plenty of very good cops, but these days the unions shut them down from reporting the bad cops and the posers, which means the entire profession is now suspect. Add to that the training the cops get is over-the-top nuts designed to instill fear of the POC and this is what we’ll continue to see.
If the bozo in Rayne’s pic is really one of the SWAT team, there’s a lot of explaining to do. FWIW, one thing that Biden could do (or more precisely Garland) is to have the DoJ handle the investigation. Abbott won’t like it, but it would seem that with the communications gaps already identified in the comments and the general CYA attitude at all TX government levels this can’t be left to the Rangers.
Civil rights were violated by killing those kids and the teachers, and that would be DoJ’s leverage as I see it.
Worship of first responders (though that term didn’t really enter the popular vernacular until after 9/11) long predates the Twin Towers. For as long as there’s been television, really, there have been cop shows and firefighter shows, most of which either portray their subject as unvarnished heroes or as anti-heroes doing what they have to do. There have been a few exceptions of course (The Dukes of Hazzard being an obvious one from my childhood–nobody cared back then that it was racist, but many objected to how it portrayed the police as buffoons).
Prior to WWII, the public reputation of the police was far less favorable.
Prior to WWII, most workers understood that their best interests were in conflict with the best interests of the wealthy.
Possibly the most significant difference of all. And the wealthy then weren’t hogging nearly as large a share of overall wealth.
I remember when Willie Mays got a contract that paid him $400K per year, that it was considered to be a really big deal.
The GOP, the NRA and the Court think the 2nd amendment means you can have whatever the F weapon you want and carry it wherever you want.
The 2nd amendment was written in 1789. When they wrote “bear arms” they were thinking of the arms they knew about: 1789 weapons.
So … an originalist interpretation would be that your unlimited right only applies to weapons having the technical characteristics of a 1789 weapon. The constitution doesn’t mention AR15s. Anything newer than 1789, sorry dude, there are rules.
Bring on the jokes if you know anything about antique firearms!
“Antique” guns don’t count as guns for gun control. I inherited my grandfather’s 1930s rifle. Massachusetts told me it didn’t need to be registered because it’s “antique”. The gun shop told me the barrel was clean, the rifling in great shape, I could shoot an acorn off a tree with it. However, if I’m doing the shooting and I’m close enough, I might hit the broadside of a barn.
It may depend on the firearm. My father registered the “horse pistol” that his father had gotten as payment for a dairy bill, back around 1930. Officially it’s a .410 shot pistol, and legally it’s a sawed-off shotgun. He had to be photographed and fingerprinted and provide his military serial number. This was in 1993. In TX. Two (at least) trips to the sheriff’s office.
As Goopers are so fond of saying, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Every constitutional right is regulated in some way, often when it conflicts with some other right.
The right to peaceably assemble requires a permit. Free speech zones are created to protect politicians from embarrassment, and free speech is no longer free when it instigates probable and immediate serious physical harm. The right to competent counsel in a criminal matter is seriously hemmed in. And so on.
Every amendment, that is, except the Second Amendment. Its text has been distorted out of all meaning by so-called conservatives on the Sup.Ct., which is about to further erode the already limited restrictions on the right to bear arms. The latter is extraordinarily radical and harmful, but it pays for the Republican Party, so all’s good. Not.
When one delves into the Second Amendment the phrase ‘well regulated militia’ is explicitly part of it. That doesn’t mean open carry, etc. would be permitted by an originalist reading, because almost none of these yahoos are part of the National Guard which is the updated version of the ‘well regulated militia’, nor are most of them part of the armed forces.
If one looks into the drafts of the Second Amendment prior to its ratification, the case against the NRA’s position is even more stark.
It is also important to recognize the context of what those “well regulated” militias were. The militias were slave patrols and for violently putting down slave rebellion. The second amendment was the carrot to get the majority slave-holding stated to ratify the Constitution.
They were because we weren’t going to have a standing army. The *3rd* amendment is WHY we weren’t going to have one.
The US is going completely insane. The “SWAT team” photo has put me on tilt for today. WTAF?
Oh, I think this is going to get worse. There’s 18 minutes missing in live recordings from the police communications system, too.
ADDER: the missing audio may be nothing, but I’m having a difficult time believing there was no persistent chatter during the entire event. The absence of audio could say the police weren’t communicating at all.
The scriptwriters of this farce are obviously trolling us.
The intel community’s motto is that there’s no such thing as a coincidence. No matter how Texas LE spins this, it will be a black eye for them and the governor, a guy from a party whose unofficial motto is, “Jesus, guns, and babies.”
It’s ironic, for example, that the best excuse Abbott’s people could come up with for this massacre was an inadequate mental health system, when the governor recently cut his own budget for that by $211 million. That suggests the real story is much worse, which seemed likely, given the panicky defensiveness from Texas LE since this horror began.
It’s standard GQP procedure to complain about stuff and then refuse to fund things that will address the problems. It allows the GQP to keep complaining about how the Ds can’t get things done and the courtier press lets the GQP do it because ‘access’ is more important than truth.
Anyhow, I see that the Uvalde PD and LE community in general is busy trying to claim that the earlier reports of the SRO confronting the shooter were in error. It doesn’t pass the smell test with me for a couple of reasons: the SRO needs to CYA, and it’s become the solution of choice for the GQP to ‘harden the schools’ as TX LtGov Patrick put it on Hannity. So, watch for the official TX narrative to rally toward their preferred solution to arm everyone and turn schools into prisons.
OTOH, just where were those nine SWAT members in Uvalde when the shooting started? It’s a city of just under 16,000 according to Wiki, so unless all of the cops were over at some house(s) of ill repute in mid-debauch it should have taken less than a few minutes to get there, and IIRC it was also in the initial reports that LEOs were on site within 5 minutes. Now it is claimed that a glitch delayed responses where nothing could be done about it, so sorry with thoughts and prayers for supporting the grieving.
Clearly the powers that be all the way up to Gov Abbott don’t want to explain why a school with (IIRC) something like 70+ % Latinx and other POCs was left to fend for itself while the LEOs watched outside and kept the parents away. I would suspect the latest timeline will fall apart once all the social media inputs are collected.
Biden and Garland need to take this investigation over from TX, no matter how sad or mad Abbott gets. The rot goes top to bottom.
Without even a hint of snark, I say that the GQP will not be confused by facts or human emotions. They will focus their attention on monetizing the situation. Hardening schools sounds like a potentially profitable enterprise that some old high school buddies could be given millions to tackle, or at least pretend to tackle.
*I* don’t believe there was no talk going on among the cops. Outside of people being vowed to silence or unable to speak, I’m having trouble imagining any group that wouldn’t be making noises of some kind.
And then there were the rest of the people there.
I’m wondering if Biden could enact a regulation that all federally regulated businesses need to lock their doors on the day after a mass shootings so people could have a day of reflection and pay their respects – the regulation would include pay for the day. The pay would be based on what the employee was scheduled to work the day before the shooting.
Republicans are into guns solely for the $, and this is a way to moderate that incentive. Banks, airlines, etc shut down would focus their attention on the real issue.
Doing this by regulation avoids all those pesky K Streets Killers watering down or delaying meaningful legislation.
What in the world would that remedy???
I think the talk of the NRA being Russian assets is overblown. I say that as someone who had the unfortunate experience of representing them a couple of years ago. They’re grifters all the way down and this extremist message is what keeps the money rolling in. They could care less whether it’s from Russia or elsewhere.
LOL right — the GOP could give a shit who buys them as long as they get their money. That’s just plain corruption.
You’re also enabling that corruption by marginalizing the source of the money and its motives. How convenient to blow off Maria Butina and her handler Aleksandr Torshin along with their GOP access point, Paul Erickson.
There’s nothing but corruption. It is my hope that Attorney General James will be able to reign the corruption in somewhat with her civil action. As far as I know the Russia investigations into them went nowhere as far as consequences go. These guys may be unwittingly helping the Russian cause but they’d be doing this crap with or without them. There’s an audience for it and it enables them to buy their expensive houses and enjoy their fancy private cigar bar shindigs in Alexandria. They’re currently letting their HQ including a priceless collection of historic guns rot and cutting back their gun safety courses rather than take a single paycut.
Unwittingly. *scoff* Please. That Senate Finance Committee report was published by a GOP-led Senate under Trump. They ALL know.
Look, we get a lot of trolls attempting to drop all kinds of pro-Russian stuff here, obvious and subtle. You’ve got 5 comments under your belt so far which isn’t much. Try reading the fucking room.
You have my email address and therefore my last name. You’re welcome to search NRA court filings and transcripts for it. I tried to keep my name off most of that but it’s still in some. There’s nothing pro-Russia about what I said. I’ve just seen the sheer stupidity and incompetence of these people firsthand. Thanks for the warm reception.
And if you think we’ve never seen pro-Russian content from NY IP addresses you must think we’re not paying attention.
It’s pro-Russian to say the NRA would be advancing the same agenda with or without Russian money because they’re grifter scumbags and it’s worked for them since long before Russia took an interest? Ok then. Withdrawn, with apologies.
Without Russian money the NRA might have dissolved through insolvency.
The NRA was never going to be dissolved via bankruptcy. That filing was a bullshit legal maneuver by Bill Brewer to try and escape liability from “democrat judges” in New York State Court after also trying and attempting a bullshit motion to remove via forum non conveniens to federal court (denied), filing a separate action in federal court (voluntarily dismissed) and a bullshit MDL filing (denied). The bankruptcy was ultimately tossed out for that reason. But sure if the money stopped coming in then there’s no more extremist advocacy period.
Notice I used the word “insolvency” though the story was about NRA’s LaPierre’s attempt to hide his bullshit under a bankruptcy.
NRA’s extremist advocacy as you called it is exactly why Russia donated so much money. That extremist advocacy is polarizing; in realization it’s demoralizing and ultimately destabilizing. What parent or teacher of K-12 students in public schools trusts either the school system or police after multiple mass shootings and dick-doodley-squat from GOP legislators to effect constructive change?
Just bizarrely naïve or wittingly supportive to fail to understand how Russia has used the NRA and the GOP. I think we’re done here.
Hi there. Don’t pull that crap with us. That is not going to work.
I think it’s useful to remember the distinction here between a Russian (or any other country, but Russia is the relevant nation here) “asset” and “agent”.
An “agent” is anyone knowingly working for the Russian government. That doesn’t mean a spy (though spies would certainly qualify!); a registered lobbyist legally representing the interests of Russia inside the US would be a Russian agent. Under FARA, anyone working as an agent for any foreign government is required to register that fact; but so long as they do so and their activities are otherwise lawful, then representing the interests of a foreign state is perfectly legal.
An “asset” is anyone whose conduct is (arguably) beneficial to Russia. This obviously would include any and all agents, but includes lots of entities who wouldn’t touch Putin with a ten foot pole but who have common enemies. The old Soviet phrase “useful idiot” is a good synonym for “asset but not agent”.
The NRA? Certainly assets, as Russia has made little secret of its promotion of right-wing extremism in the US. Almost certainly many actual agents working for them as well; though the organization has been wracked with feuds between old-guard righties like Oliver North, who are unlikely to trust any former communists and KGB men, and others who are fully on board with the Pat Buchanan agenda of Putin-as-savior-of-white-western-Christendom.
Thanks I think that distinction is appropriate. There’s no question Russian money enabled the NRA’s quest to turn America into the Wild West but I saw nothing to indicate any attempt to nor need to influence NRA Second Amendment advocacy positions, which were already about as far to the extreme as you can get. That money was meant to support GOP politicians who would be more favorable to other policy positions Russia is advancing and that’s largely where the money went.
The NRA was not simply a cut-out for Russian influencers, and its “policies” were not a side issue for them. Since the NRA moved from being a small gun-owners association to a mega-lobbyist, it and the GOP have become inseparable.
The Russian money laundering investigations are not dead.
The bill signed by Biden a week ago removes the statute of limitations.
Kleptocapture is not just a campaign against Russian oligarchs. Its an investigatory tornado coming after money laundering, and they have prioritized real estate. Does that make you think of anyone?
The NRA’s shell companies and Trump’s shell companies are coming under state, federal and civil scrutiny.
8:52 PM · May 26, 2022
Wow. Sounds familiar, hmm?
Thanks, harpie, for the reminder. These are very much connected stories (see Anne Nelson, Shadow Network). Always ask cui bono? In this case the Russians certainly saw benefits in the NRA big-donor effort to exacerbate divisions, fear, and hatred. And let’s not leave out the Christian Right, who saw their own opening and jumped on Trump. The result? Our current SCOTUS.
Two lines that intersect at the NRA…
1. There is nothing that the NRA supports that doesn’t bring money into the NRA or its industrial supporters. Sell More Guns.
2. When many talk about firearms and self-defense, the thing they are defending against it “Them” — Them being any part of government (and non-government supporters) that doesn’t agree with them. January 6 was just a “free sample”.
#1 spreads the fear to #2, which buys stuff to enrich #1. Lather, rinse, repeat.
“Husband of teacher killed in Texas school shooting dies of heart attack”
They leave four children.
Youngest is in jr high. Oldest is in the Marines.
One (of many) that bothers me is the suggestion that law enforcement (there) did not car about “brown people” in danger. Obviously not all of the kids were “brown”. It should not matter of course.
But I suppose I assume the local PD and SWAT is made up of significant Latinos perhaps even Mexican-Americans. So…my mind goes numb here.
On a technical front, any SWAT worth its salt would SEMTEX that door (not C4). Flash-bang-smoke the classroom(s) and shoot the MFer. But they waited for an effing key for 45 minutes to an hour (once the LEOS get their story straight.
Aside from the obvious root cause problems that are never addressed beyond thoughts and prayers with this truly American Exceptionalism (sarc for the humor impaired), calling the Uvalde cops/SWAT Keystone Cops is too much credit.
Yeah I am getting more and more pissed as this goes on too.
We live 2 miles from MSD in Parkland, FL. My wife, a former elementary teacher, casually (not close friends) knew parents of some that were killed and was 1-2 degrees of separation from others. But the community is partially broken still to this day.
1 – Learn what “internalized oppression” is and how it works. Keep in mind not all Hispanic/Latinx people are from the same culture.
2 – Flash bangs have killed children. Smoke might have been a better option, but they still had to open the fucking door to do that and they somehow couldn’t manage that until Border Patrol arrived.
In 1996, 16 kids and a teacher died in a school shooting in Dunblane, Scotland. There has been one mass shooting since then, and no more school shootings at all.
In the same year (and possibly in imitation of the Dunblane killer) a gunman killed 35 people in a mass shooting here in Australia, and the gun laws were drastically changed:
We have never had a school shooting here.
Guns don’t kill people. People with guns kill people, and people with semi-automatic weapons kill a lot of people really fast. It doesn’t matter if the people are mentally ill. What matters is the weapon they can get their hands on. In Europe, there have been many random attacks by extremists and mentally ill people using swords and knives – but they can’t kill 21 people in less than an hour.
Sword and knife manufacturers don’t have terrorist organisations masquerading as constitutional rights campaigners fighting to allow people to carry samurai swords and chef knives into schools and churches and without any restriction whatsoever.
If Sandy Hook, the Pulse night club, or Las Vegas didn’t shift the needle on gun laws, Uvalde won’t either. You can vote in as many Democrats as possible, you can change the law, and the present SCOTUS will throw those laws out. Your civics are buggered because of malignant foreign money perverting elections and media and an ossified Constitution which was supposed to let people live their best lives but is now used to terrorise them. But more than that, you have a very large portion of your population convinced of American exceptionalism, and that they will somehow avoid the inexorable rise of fascism by suppressing personal freedom, all in the name of preserving personal freedom.
The people of Uvalde will vote for the GOP and the far right mayor and the corrupt policing again because they have been convinced they are keeping the very things that is being torn away from them – life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
When America sneezes, Australia catches a cold. These malign forces are rising here (and are sponsored by Americans), though we have a much more agile political framework and less deified constitution which offers us a little protection – for now. This is the reason that I pay so much attention to your politics.
But more than that, you have a very large portion of your population convinced of American exceptionalism, and that they will somehow avoid the inexorable rise of fascism by suppressing personal freedom, all in the name of preserving personal freedom.
No. We have a very large portion of our population convinced of their own exceptionalism, and of the perfidy of their countrymen, and they are openly advocating the rise of fascism with the specific purpose of disenfranchising the caste-traitors and untouchables in the Democratic Party. They only care of their own freedoms, specifically of the freedom to mistreat those they view as beneath them.
“Real American” means a rather specific set of things. Among others is the implicit understanding that non-real-Americans should not be permitted to exercise political power, specifically because we (“liberals”) seek to overthrow the long established (and thoroughly unjust) social order that has long dominated this country. To them, that social order is the sine non qua of what it means to be American, and our vocal and explicit opposition to it, high treason.
Jeebus. For the love of god, do NOT pepper us with ten 100-300 word comments serially like that. We have real work to do, and your extended thoughts on life are not that critical.
I would say that the comment is salient, in that a distinction between the cosplay of American Exceptionalism opposed to the self-serving nature of Individual Exceptionalism is important in unraveling the Gordon’s know am American legislative stasis. In other words, there really is no objective defense of the right-wing positions; it’s all personally subjective.
“We have a very large portion of our population convinced of their own exceptionalism, and of the perfidy of their countrymen…”
Those type consider themselves to be patriots, but like the old joke goes, they are the type of patriots who love their country and hate most of the people living in it.
Gimme a break with your haughty Australian exceptionalism — which includes as much defeatist demoralization
as anything Putin’s bots could come up with. IOW if you really believed what you were saying you might not spend your time heaping shit but instead doing what you can to prevent that cold.
Tell me about the malign forces sponsored by Murdoch & ilk FFS.
And far as influence operations go, you can also file some “Spare me the noble victim act” under the degree to which Australian nationals and PR firms earn their dollar stoking “both sides”, shaping public conversation wrt any given US controversy [citation: Personal Observation].
You can pick the rest of the splinters out of your eye yourself.
Think someone hasn’t checked their country’s economy lately. Adani Coal is as ugly an influence on Australia’s politics as the NRA is on the US and Adani isn’t an American company nor is its largest destination of coal the US.
I came back to see if my previous comment to Eureka had made it out of moderation, and to ask that it be withdrawn, and to offer an apology for giving offence.
I’m really disappointed to see your comment, Rayne. I have not, and did not, claim that America was the sole bad influence on Australian culture or politics. I am talking about a particular anti democratic – let’s call it what it is, which is fascism – and antiscience strain which is doing its very best to infect democracies worldwide, and which is at very least exemplified by what’s going on in your right wing, and at very worst promulgated and amplified quite deliberately to other countries by the same bad actors.
I don’t see any point in continuing the argument. Again, sorry to have offended.
Look more carefully at how social media has been weaponized globally to spawn white nationalism EVERYWHERE. It’s not necessarily the US you can blame growing fascism on, we’re simply the largest economy which makes it more visible. The effects of Murdoch-News Group’s Fox News propaganda on the US since its inception here 1996 — a decades-long program of demoralization — began the work which social media continues.
Australia has numerous active fascist groups of which some are newer and spawned by the Dugin-driven hybrid warfare over social media with parallels elsewhere. Some are uniquely Australian: Antipodean Resistance, Australian Defence League, Australia First Party, Australian League of Rights, Australian Protectionist Party, Lads Society, Reclaim Australia, Soldiers of Odin, True Blue Crew, United Patriots Front, etc. All of them are being amped up by the same forces amping up fascism in the US, the UK, much of the EU. News Group works in tandem with the Duginist white nationalism if you look closely enough, feeding these groups’ aspirations.
It’s not the US sneezing economically, nor is it politically. We’re just easier to blame because we’re doing a good job of fucking up a response to a cryptic hybrid war conducted on all countries with Anglo/European citizens. We’re a lesson in what-not-to-do.
I won’t blame all of Australia for Rupert Murdoch, but the Josef Goebbels of our time is your countryman, mate.
You just replied to American. Slow your roll.
Scott Johnson, did you mean to reply to me here (an American as Rayne indicates) or instead to Anathema Device (the self-identified Australian)?
It’s potentially confusing as while the native Australian Murdoch has directly supported some of the Australian RW extremist projects Rayne notes today @ 11:06 AM (besides what generally wafts from his trans-/international media outlets), he acquired American citizenship so he could buy more American television stations (as reported at the time and since). [Sure as shit not for any love for our country.]
Yeah. Nice how he weaseled around the restrictions on foreign nationals owning US media.
I’m also recalling things like Murdoch’s horribly timely meetings with McConnell (11/2018) and with Barr (10/2019) — and how after Barr went to see him on the eve of Parnas and Fruman’s (et al.) charges becoming public (IIRC they later picked up Correia in transit), Hannity suddenly cancelled his trip to Vienna.
FARA’s not just a gal with an iconic poster & haircut [… not that American citizenship would except him from any such rules applying as relevant, but I do believe it helps him avoid more scrutiny — besides his power and allies].
Another example of the weaponization of the First Amendment. He’d claim he was acting as the press in whatever he was doing.
Money fixes a lot of problems that it shouldn’t.
After discussing several international locations you then say “We have never had a school shooting here.” Where the F is “here” please?? It seems like you may be in Australia, but that’s an inference, not a statement of fact. Thanks for playing…
We do ourselves a disservice in some respects* by starting the clock at Columbine as the iconic turning point in common conversation. Partly because of that, I memory-graft “Columbine” as much earlier than 1999 until reminded of the date.
Pearl Jam’s “Jeremy” was 1991. [Eddie Vedder later said the song was based on two school shooting incidents: one where a Jeremy shot himself in school, and another at Vedder’s school where it sounds like a boy shot up a bunch of the school but not persons.]
Efforts towards enacting the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons ban “intensified” around 1989, after (per wiki):
If you click the the link for this it goes to:
“Not to be confused with”…
Also, the Cleveland Elementary School shooting (Stockton) victims were “predominantly Southeast Asian refugees”.
*In other respects it matters very much as a turning point for more widespread active shooter drills and all of their implications especially for school children and teachers, staff. But also for other public-facing workplaces where high levels of workplace violence to include (mass) shootings tend to occur or are known as high risk. But we all live in background terror to the “stochastic” factor.
Columbine was the first time I remember seeing – live – an overly militarized police force sit on their hands while an active shooting was taking place. It was immediately clear that all the money was going towards equipment and not training. Or that gear was just for show/PR/intimidation/compensation. The police looked like a group of wargames players asked to step into a real situation.
“I Don’t Like Mondays” by the Boomtown Rats was about a 1979 school shooting in California. This isn’t a new phenomenon.
Wiki has lists going back to the 1840s. They’re an informative scroll. You can see the pace really pick up in the 1970s (esp. mid-late, with a further ’80s jump) after the NRA explicitly grafted on to the GOP and built its lobbying arm(s).
[I’ll spoonfeed EdwardB and offer this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000) and this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States / ~Rayne]
School shootings in the 1970s weren’t the products of assault weapons but handguns, shotguns and rifles. There were fewer victims at one time and the victims had better odds of surviving their injury or not losing a limb.
There substantially fewer school shootings. There were 40 in the 1970s compared to 92 in the 1990s and 228 in the 2010s.
There’s a newer phenomenon but it’s already decades old.
And a song that was considered humorous satire back when I was a kid, but is now considered in VERY poor taste, Julie Brown’s “Homecoming Queen’s Got a Gun” was released in 1984. (I’m deliberately NOT linking to the video).
“in very poor taste”? I’ve always thought Julie Brown’s song was a brilliant feminist pre-emptive strike. As in, see how silly this gun cosplay looks when a girl does it?
Funny how female artists’ takes get judged as poor taste (see Kathy Griffin’s reference to Judith and Holofernes), when men just straight-up commit crimes and get treated, on the incel boards at least, as heroes.
[So many layers here]
In her acts* in return-from-exile, Griffin herself ultimately went with Hillary Clinton’s comparison to a play on Perseus with the head of Medusa — sensu darn, why didn’t I just say that — and surely _because_ Clinton herself had given the interpretation while contrasting the reaction to Griffin with the utter silence surrounding similar and worse depictions of Clinton by Trumpers on t-shirts, Trumpist [MSM] media everywhere.
When Griffin’s *Laugh Your Head Off World Tour made it to America, we were double-screened (walk-through and hand-wanded) before entry.
That screening did not prevent me from making those split-second ‘where are the exits’-type calculations when a woman yelled, “He has a backpack!” upon a man creating a ruckus near the stage. Turns out the man was a Roger Stone-and-ilk affiliated operative (per the subsequent social media theater) conducting an early shades of Qanon feeder stunt.
And that would not be the last time I encountered Trumpist extremists while in public spaces going about life (have you heard how much fun it is to vote with these folks around? /s). Such experiences render the surreal quite real — and the reverse. Of course you know this, Ginevra, given experiences with your parents countering Trumpist progenitors that you’ve shared.
*Plus her appointment film about the tour and her ordeal, Hell of a Story (with Q&A with Ted Boutrous), available for streaming.
Rayne, here is something positive:
from thetnholler [IG]
“Students at Oxford High School in Michigan are walking out of class to protest the lack of gun control laws and to show support for the victims in Texas”
Oxford students know exactly what’s going on.
Unfortunately, nothing’s changed in Michigan since their fellow classmate committed a mass murder last November, but that’s because the state’s legislature is under GOP control in no small part because of gerrymandering in 2010.
The more we learn, the worse it gets. Turns out the blustering gun-lovers seem to be mostly cowards. So much for the ridiculous “one good man with a gun” theory of preventing mass shootings. Anyway, I’m checking in to point out that The Onion nails it.
This satire is not funny, nor do I think it’s designed to be. It takes a moment to look around and see what they’re up to on the front page, so I’ll point out that they are publishing the same pointed article over and over and over again, each time in reference to a different mass shooting. Finally, if you scroll down, there is Mitch McConnell: “Get Your Crying Done Now Because We’re Not Passing Shit,” which includes the made-up and perfect quote, “And yes, we know the parents of the victims will be burying 19 young children in the coming few weeks. Seriously, none of it matters to us. I don’t know how to make it any clearer. We simply couldn’t care less.”
Finally, the coup de grace, which I’ll just post here in full because I’m pretty sure the Onion won’t mind:
I meant to post the link:
That is what good biting satire looks like.
Shame it won’t make a bit of difference, but I’m glad they did it.
As much as we bemoan conservatives’ inability to learn from history/experience on issues like gun violence in schools, we ourselves also display an identical inability to learn from history/experience.
For decades, non-conservatives have pointed to policies and statistics that correlate with gun violence with exactly the same degree of effectiveness of convincing conservatives that our current gun policies do to limit gun violence. Yet we continue to make the same mistake over and over for decades. At what point do we recognize that changing the opinions of a group, whose defining characteristic is the complete rejection of evidence based rational decision making, simply can NOT be done using evidence based rational decision making?
We have adopted an approach to influencing conservatives as ineffective as thoughts and prayers is at reducing school shootings. IMHO, this is a continuing skirmish in the long running battle that began centuries ago with The Enlightenment. Whether you like it or not, the rules of American society remain more influenced by tradition than reason – no matter how much blood is spilled. At this point, no rational American should be surprised/shocked by the violence, or each of the parties dutifully playing their expected role. The band plays on.
“conservatives’ inability to learn from history/experience on issues like gun violence in schools”
It’s not inability.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair.
ALL of these people are paid handsomely to act like dumb bastards in the face of irrefutable evidence on what does and does not work to stop any crime, let alone gun crime.
Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. They’re bad, not ignorant.
I agree if you are speaking of GOP leadership. I was raised in an evangelical environment, and many of the foot-soldiers can’t really be described as bad or ignorant, more blinded by religious fervor. They truly believe that they are fighting evil.
What I don’t really understand is why the Democrats act as they do, insisting on repeating a failed strategy again and again. Ignorant, or like the GOP, do they really have other goals?
Dude. Really? You’re going to pull that “Democrats in disarray” bullshit? There are 43 Democrats, 2 Independents, 1 Democratic Socialist, and two corrupt DINOS on the left side of the Senate aisle. The bottleneck is the corrupt DINOs. Has been, will be until enough additional Democratic senators have been elected to supplant the DINOs allowing a Democratic Senate to break the filibuster. Until then the Democrats do not actually have a true majority in the Senate.
I don’t know how many fucking times this has to be explained to people who we presume have graduated from high school and are able to count to 100.
I do want to point out here that yet again another new-ish commenter with (4) total approved comments to date has coughed up some hairball in a thread here. Bring a better game or begone.
ADDER: I’ll cut you some nominal slack because your IP address says you’re in Canada. Assuming that’s true and not spoofing, you need to bone up on U.S. Senate rules specifically the filibuster before you start spouting off.
You are right.
We need at least two more Democrats in the Senate.
That would allow us to go around Manchin and Sinema on reconciliation bills, and, probably, at least get a “talking filibuster.”
We would need more than two more Democrats to get rid of the filibuster completely.
I think we will get six more Senators this November.
Don’t listen to the naysayers. We can get that AND beat 40 Republicans in the House AND take control of ten states away from them.
Why? School shootings, Roe v Wade, economy will improve, and demographic changes.
The Republicans will lose VERY BADLY.
From your lips to God’s ears
Since you *have* to change the opinions of that group, what strategy do you suggest?
Thank you Rayne. I knew you would express your feelings about “weapons of mass destruction.” I cried.
A few videos to put into perspective about the NRA from Ryan Busse, former firearms executive and author: Gunfight: My Battle Against the Industry That Radicalized America
Christiane Amanpour speaks to Ryan Busse, the author of ‘Gunfight: My Battle Against the Industry That Radicalized America’ and Tom Mauser who lost his son in the 1999 Columbine High School shooting. They discuss the latest mass shooting to plague America- the tragedy in Uvalde, Texas
It’s Time For Responsible Gun Owners to Save our Democracy | Ryan Busse | TEDxBigSky
Also Ryan Busse has a current article in the Guardian.
Shootings aren’t a sign America is ‘broken’. It’s working exactly as intended
Abbott has gone to more mental health support as his solution. He has cut exactly those funds, so TX now spends the least per capita among all the states.
TX wasn’t doing much even before Abbott. I lived there in the mid-90s, and social services were few and far between. The state government wasn’t all-GOP at that point, so it wasn’t insane. But it was getting there.
Texas, like Florida, is ground zero when it comes to the GOP experiment to see how little state government can do for the average citizen, while subsidizing and immunizing corporations and the wealth elite which owns them.
The older I get the more these senseless killings wreck.
The most painful irony here is that 2Aers will look at this and see it proves their point.
My heart is with that brave little second grader who walked right by the killer in the hallway as he entered, and quickly rushed to his room to warn and likely saved more kids.
Or the honesty of the High School senior who wanted the world to know that the killer was never bullied, rather he regularly bullied others and was known to hurt animals. Just mean he said.
My heart also goes out to the City of Uvalde, with grace may it survive this terrible event. It’s hard for me not to imagine that this crime was aimed into the heart of the town. I hope it doesn’t succeed.
The number of unanswered questions grows by the hour. The stories are contradictory, but Uvalde police seem to have limited their response to outside crowd control. Who issued that order? Local police and some of the Feds were so concerned that parents would take things into their own hands and enter the school to retrieve their kids (at least one mom did), they handcuffed, tackled, pepper-sprayed and arrested some of them. That’s a lot of police work directed to crowd control when so little seemed to be directed toward finding and stopping the shooter.
The Uvalde PD radio comms must have been burning the airwaves for hours. So, why an 18-minute gap when comms were good before and after it? Can those comms be reconstructed from other sources?
What was the comms tree for the local police? They must have had one. Who first notified the police, and who did that person talk to, and so on up the chain. When did commands start being issued and to whom? Who assumed overall command and when? Was the prearranged protocol followed? If not, what was the deviation and why?
The big issue is why the hour-long wait before what turned out to be a federal assault team arrived and attacked the shooter? Uvalde apparently has nine SWAT team members, about half the local police force. What were they doing for that hour? Were there no state or San Antonio SWAT or similar teams available sooner?
San Antonio is 80 miles from Uvalde, so about an hour, minimum, for anyone to get there. No place closer that isn’t *smaller*.
I’m pretty sure some guy named Sikorsky, originally from Kyiv, invented a flying thigamajig, whose modern versions might have gotten there in under an hour. I hear big city PDs and SWAT teams use them all the time.
It’s possible the Feds were closer, but it still took an hour. The timeline of who called whom and when will be important to understanding what happened, what worked, and what didn’t.
latest is that specialists got there by noon, but were *prevented* from going in by the locals.
When the shit hits the fan, paramilitaries will fall back on what they have drilled. Maybe this PD put all its effort into preparing for big BLM/antifa riots; as detached from reality as the rest of frothy right.
My wife was sole secretary in a 500+ student elementary school for many years. In her final building she sat in an inner office off the hallway leading to the main entrance about 20 yards away. She could see the entrance through glass and cameras and could talk through an intercom. The entrance was a two door glass setup – main door, vestibule, entrance door – and both doors were locked and controlled by my wife. There were no cameras on service/other doors to the building and she did not control them. She only admitted people she could identify or showed identification and stated purpose of the visit.
The schools in the city drilled a couple times a year for fire, bomb, and “intruder” drills. Intruder drills were monitored by a police person inside the building and coordinated with the police department responders. Specific protocols were followed. Room lockdowns were initiated. Police responders visited each room if only for their own familiarity, such as access availability, e.g where are the keys, and for questions/feedback from the staff.
If someone with an AR15 wanted to kill kids/others in the school, he (most likely) would have blown away the doors and been in the building in a minute or less. At most, before she died because she would have been the first person the intruder would have seen, my wife would only have been able to yell “lockdown!” on the intercom to try to save the rest of the school while the principal in the adjoining room was calling the police.
1. The Uvalde Police Department was unprepared. I am willing to bet there were no simulations or drills in the schools or in the department itself or real discussion among themselves about the various situations that could arise and how they would handle them. “It can’t/won’t happen here” is a powerful suppressant.
2. Police, like the military, take orders from their designated superiors. The police were acting on orders from one or two people on the scene and those individuals in charge should be explaining right now why they responded as they did. If they deferred action based on a decision from someone not on the scene, the non-scene people should have to answer why they would know more than those on the scene and why waiting was the best option. (The whole thing looks like a miniature version of Russian decision-making and lack of training in Ukraine.)
3. Gun ownership has become more than a right. It is a cult. People have to be de-programmed to leave a cult.
As to 1) the Uvalde PD SWAT team really did planning drills like that to familiarize themselves with the Robb school and gain a grip on the layout. But their SWAT squad seems to have been curiously absent in all this. 2) and 3)….yes. I have a very close relative who was a high school teacher for 26 years. Totally open campus, and they never faced worse than a fist fight in the courtyard. Guns are out of control.
My HS was open in the sense that you could walk in (then). I don’t even remember fist fights – they would have been few, far between, and probably out at the far ends of the fields.
(We couldn’t leave campus without a written note, and parking spaces were assigned. It was closed in that way. No fast-food joints around then, either.)
CPAC members had a perfect opportunity to bone up on gun regulation in Hungary, which according to gunpolicy.org, is substantially different than here in the US.
Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, and Dan Patrick have solutions, though. Hardening the “targets”, making sure there are no back doors, metal detectors, high fences, etc.
Maybe if they turn the schools into a fortress, shooters will have to wait for the kids to leave school at the end of the day until they can open fire. Maybe that will cause them to reflect and change their mind, like an abortion waiting period but without having to read anti-choice information. Or not.
The target had been hardened. That’s why they couldn’t get into the classroom.
There’s a point when the only left to harden is the public’s resolve to stop electing morons who do the same things over and over again and expect different results.
I don’t think those politicians “expect different results”
I think they WANT and EXPECT the exact SAME result…
more dead undesirables.
“Hardening” schools completes the circuit of the “school to prison pipeline.”
Guessing the next step after hardening the schools is to put the children in armored troop carriers to get between home and school. Probably need a few advance vehicles to scout for terrorists (NRA members).
All of these types of responses are good for companies that build defenses (Halliburton and other W friends) and armored vehicle manufacturers. Win-win-win along with the gun manufacturers.
Just wait for the NRA terrorists to insist that javelins and other anti-tank weapons fall under the 2A.
The common denominator of the problem lies with the gun industry. A good primer on the highly unregulated gun industry is at the link from 2020.
A few observations;
A good percentage of Americans are very afraid and feel a gun will protect them from whatever fear they are feeling. This is a result of marketing, it is easy to prey upon fear.
A great many of the American police force when involved in a mass shooter event are cowards. This has been demonstrated over and over again.
The unfettered access to guns in American has only led to more gun deaths and grievously wounded citizens. For any politician think that having more guns in more locations will solve the problem are insane.
The Second Amendment has been wrongly interpreted, in my opinion. It is a four part sentence with the subject being, “A well regulated Militia,” seems to be lost in the understanding the context. But now it seems that an AR-15 has been classified as a defensive weapon that everyone is entitled to own for self-defense. This weapon is not design for self defense.
As it has been pointed out the voting booth is boiling down to be Americas only option to turn the tide to regulate firearms. But with 40 percent of the country insane about guns and because the 2nd Amendment is the only Amendment, coupled with gerrymandering it will be an extremely tough row to hoe.
Gun money buys a lot of politicians.
There are no simple solution here at this time. The best option is to ban all guns but shotgun and hand guns with limited capacity.
Rayne, thanks for writing this and channeling some of the rage I feel. All day I knew you’d be trying to get something up here, but couldn’t imagine how in the world you might be able to. Your working through this to give us a space to share is greatly appreciated. [hearts to you]
7:30 PM · May 26, 2022
8:59 PM · May 26, 2022
8:42 PM · May 25, 2022
NPR has VIDEO here:
Yeah. Now that’s what I’m talking about. Culture war now goes wide. Wait until K-pop fans get into this.
The GOP knows its going to have to do something. McConnell sicced Texas’s senior senator John Cornyn on working with Democrats.
Note that the GOP has a history of success with Latinos in TX, and been working hard to improve their share of Latino votes in other states. McConnell didn’t give a sh*t about the Black folks killed in Buffalo, but needs to head off any qualms about voting GOP among Latinos that might be caused by Dem messaging about the Uvalde massacre. That’s what this “work with the Democrats”is about.
Partly — but it’s partly the state is vulnerable to swinging blue because of SCOTUS on Roe v Wade combined with the state’s anti-abortion laws as well as Abbott’s lousy governance on energy and now gun control. TX-23 where Uvalde is located is only rated R+1 right now and its current GOP House rep (who is Hispanic/Latin) is doing a shitacular job responding to questions about gun control.
None of this has to do with Texas’s Senate seats because neither Cornyn or Cruz are up for re-election, but the spillover could affect other Senate races. I hope to goodness DNC’s Jaime Harrison has a solid bilingual team working in Florida where Rubio is up for re-election this year.
Re other Senate races: in the PA seat w/GOP nom now under recount, McCormick had a bunch of really really gross gun-based ads (disgusting like some of his others). But Oz will get the nom if things hold. Despite the “Pennsyltucky” stereotypes, most Pennsylvanians, like most Americans, want stricter gun laws.
Unfortunately Oz can play this both ways: while he’d been slammed during the primary for his “liberal positions” on his TV show (&c.), he can now trot out those clips to try to appear less radical than he recently _insisted_ he is in trying to out-gun McC.
That also leaves him in a better position than McC to hypocritically exploit Fetterman’s incident. On that issue, anyone looking to phonebank or otherwise help out should see this thread by Philly Mag journalist Ernest Owens. Owens links his own interview as well as the endorsement of Fetterman by the Philadelphia Tribune — the oldest running Black newspaper in the country.
Yuck. Oz is a massive national security threat. I can’t believe his candidacy has made it this far.
NBA Finals start on Friday…
Perfect opportunity to make a strong statement seven times to a massive world-wide audience…
Let’s see if they have the balls to do it…
There’s nothing stopping teams from using their visibility and media access to make statements either…
I think we’re past the point where you can just shrug your shoulders, say ‘it’s not my problem’ and walk away…
You need to pick a side in this one…
According to The Insider, there have already been 214 mass shootings* in the US this year, and it’s not even June.
*The Gun Violence Archive defines a mass shooting to be one where 4 or more people are shot at the same time.
6:41 PM · May 26, 2022
6:23 PM · May 26, 2022
Also, one of the Rays’ pitchers, Brooks Raley, is from Uvalde and that was his elementary school. ESPN has a story.
Steve Vladeck has some screenshots of these tweeted facts here:
9:35 PM · May 26, 2022
Let’s ask Republican politicians – heck, ALL Republicans:
Are you pro-life or pro-guns? You can’t be both.
Maybe put it on a bumper-sticker (though in my town that would get my car destroyed).
I didn’t understand this in the Pulse nightclub massacre and I don’t understand it now:
Do we no longer have fire codes?
Have they been gutted?
Is anybody overseeing compliance with these codes (besides occupancy at/during music venues that attract “undesirables”?)
If you’re trying to change the subject from gun control, don’t.
To give Yancy the benefit of the doubt, I think the comment addresses Cancun Cruz’s solution of single entrances (it’s stupid, and YF’s comment is one of the reasons why).
It’s precipitated by this sophomoric concept that schools, “soft targets”, need to be hardened by limiting access to a single entrance/exit (cue the Allmans Brothers “One Way Out”). Additionally, locked exits only serve to increase the death/injury toll when people stampede to escape.
Yup, like the Cocoanut Grove fire a very long time ago.
Yes, thank you, Rugger. I am trying to understand how the delays and failures occurred. Of course the deaths are ultimately the fault of the shooter and those who push these weapons of mass death, but while we wait for someone to pass common sense gun legislation, I’d like to know if we make it possible for intended victims (sitting ducks) to escape these psychopaths.
I’m sorry if I derailed the flow of the conversation. It was a real question and was in no way intended to deflect from the dangers posed by these weapons of war. I do not support unfettered access to firearms.
Again, I apologize for bringing it up.
Uvalde’s Congressman is Tony Gonzales (R TX-23).
Here he is repeatedly NOT answering NBC’s Garrett Haake’s question:
6:26 PM · May 26, 2022
Gonzales, Tony Texas 23rd R 1009 LHOB (202) 225-4511 // Appropriations
DEMOCRAT running against GONZALES: John LIRA
Two GONZALES tweets:
3:44 PM · May 24, 2022
4:23 PM · May 24, 2022
NYCSouthpaw has screenshots of two more GONZALES tweets:
4:56 PM · May 24, 2022
Facts on the House Gun Bills
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/facts-on-the-house-gun-bills/ March 19, 2021
And here’s Bill Pascrell (D NJ-09)
8:35 AM · May 25, 2022
The 2 BILLS:
H R 8 11-Mar-2021 10:48 AM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: Bipartisan Background Checks Act
H R 1446 11-Mar-2021 12:29 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2021
Via Wendy Siegelman:
7:19 AM · May 26, 2022
12:09 PM · May 26, 2022
We ordered the same gun used in Uvalde. Here’s how easy it was.
NEW via Laura Rozen:
Maker of rifle in Texas massacre is deep-pocketed GOP donor
Political contributions by the owners of Georgia-based Daniel Defense show the financial clout of the gun industry, even as NRA spending declines https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/27/texas-shooting-gun-manufacturer-donations/ 5/27/22
They backed Hershel Walker [GA], Ernst (Iowa), Scott (S.C.) and Kennedy (La.), “as well as Eric Schmitt, the attorney general of Missouri and Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in that state.”
More donations listed [ie: McCarthy, Scalise], including statewide races.
Sorry for copying a comment I earlier sent to Charlie Pierce, but…damn, I’m steamed about this:
On Thanksgiving of 1968, I returned from my tour of duty in the Republic of Viet Nam. Surviving the following few years was as demanding as those in RVN. In 1973 I was amazed to see civilian versions of the AR-15 being scooped up by the same people who had studiously avoided service in the aforementioned conflict.
Forget Texas. Forget the NRA. Forget armed meter maids hesitating to “protect & serve” while innocents are being slaughtered. Forget slogans from the GQP excusing wholesale bloodshed (why permit abortion when grade-schoolers present much more entertaining targets?). This is up to the Democratic Party to immediately tackle and solve. Nationwide registration of all firearms and mandatory liability insurance on semi-automatic handguns and rifles must be pushed now, and pushed hard. Anything short of that? Forget the Democratic Party.
Jesus Christ, you’re in need of a math class, too. THERE ARE 50 GOP SENATORS STOPPING THE PASSAGE OF ANY GUN CONTROL BILLS.
Add two DINOs in Manchin and Sinema who refuse to break the filibuster rule and we’re stuck because there are not 60 Democrats in the Senate.
QUIT BLAMING THE DEMOCRATS WHO’VE ALREADY TRIED TO PASS GUN CONTROL LAWS REPEATEDLY. IT’S ON THE FUCKING GOP.
Have you watched the speech Steve Kerr made before game 5 of the Western Conference finals?
He repeatedly called out the 50 GOP senators for what they are – power mongering whores more interested in ruling that saving children’s lives. He was tearing up and his voice was cracking.
I damned near got on my feet and applauded as he ended. It was spectacular. We need to hear speeches like that daily, non-top, from everybody in a position to command a mic, like he is.
Oh, and fuck Fox News…
Yup. Kerr made me tear up. And yes, he held the correct people accountable.
It’s not Democrats getting money from the NRA for a reason.
Steve’s a good man…
He’s had his own tragedy to cope w/… years ago, his father was the President of the American University of Beirut. Dad got kidnapped and executed by Islamic radicals in 1984. A university president is hardly a dangerous man.
Steve’s experienced first hand the tragedy of which he speaks. Very tough man behind that calm, soft spoken exterior. It was really something to see him raise his voice, shake in public, tear up, and slam his hands on the table.
Enough is enough… how many more children, churchgoers, or people shopping for groceries on the weekend need to die before 50 self-centered, monstrously insensitive assholes can be goaded into one simple act of human decency?
I got curious about Democrats who have taken $ from the NRA recently – not too many!
1) Sanford Bishop (GA) – $2500
2) Henry Cuellar (TX) – $2000
3) Colin Peterson (MN) – $2500
4) Tim Walz (MN) – $2000
Sadly, Jessica Cisneros lost to Henry Cuellar in the Democratic primary run-off on Tuesday by 175 votes. That’s all that stood between one of if not the only anti-abortion Democrats who is also in the NRA’s pocket.
Cuellar really needed to go for a bunch of reasons and TX-28 couldn’t pull off those few votes to remove him from the ballot.
Peterson lost in 2020 to Michelle Fischbach (R); he was a DINO. Walz is now MN’s governor. Bishop votes in line with Dems most of the time; gun control is definitely his weakspot. He has a credible R threat to his seat this time, things could be messy.
Steve Kerr Comments on the Tragic Shooting in Uvalde, Texas
Golden State Warriors 5/24/22
Rayne, I get it. I direct regular hellfire at my state’s worthless shitheels sitting in the US Senate (Crapo & Risch). I have to register as a Republican in primary elections to winnow the truest crazies from the general. Idaho has no Democratic representation in D.C., nor is it likely in the near future. When I moved here we had Andrus and Church.
Mandatory registration & liability insurance on vehicles is not primarily considered as Vehicle Control. When applied to firearms, why call it Gun Control (a term that immediately raises hackles among the banjo-pluckers in this state)? There are many responsible firearm owners in this country who would respond positively to such common sense regulation. Revenue could be used to fund buybacks, education and safety. Sell it like that.
“Full List of Republican Senators Who Receive Funding From the NRA”
[source: Newsweek, May 26, 2022]
Mitt Romney (Utah) $13,647,676
Richard Burr (North Carolina) $6,987,380
Roy Blunt (Missouri) $4,555,722
Thom Tillis (North Carolina) $4,421,333
Marco Rubio (Florida) $3,303,355
Joni Ernst (Iowa) $3,124,773
Rob Portman (Ohio) $3,063,327
Todd C. Young (Indiana) $2,897,582
Bill Cassidy (Louisiana) $2,867,074
Tom Cotton (Arkansas) $1,968,714
Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania) $1,475,448
Josh Hawley (Missouri) $1,391,548
Marsha Blackburn (Tennessee) $1,306,130
Ron Johnson (Wisconsin) $1,269,486
Mitch McConnell (Kentucky) $1,267,139
Mike Braun (Indiana) $1,249,967
John Thune (South Dakota) $638,942
Shelley Moore Capito (West Virginia) $341,738
Richard Shelby (Alabama) $258,514
Chuck Grassley (Iowa) $226,007
John Neely Kennedy (Louisiana) $215,788
Ted Cruz (Texas) $176,274
Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) $146,262
Steve Daines (Montana) $123,711
Cindy Hyde-Smith (Mississippi) $109,547
Roger Wicker (Mississippi) $106,680
Rand Paul (Kentucky) $104,456
Mike Rounds (South Dakota) $95,049
John Boozman (Arkansas) $82,352
John Cornyn (Texas) $78,945
Ben Sasse (Nebraska) $68,623
Jim Inhofe (Oklahoma) $66,758
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) $55,961
Mike Crapo (Idaho) $55,039
Jerry Moran (Kansas) $34,718
John Barrasso (Wyoming) $26,989
John Hoeven (North Dakota) $22,050
Susan Collins (Maine) $19,638
James Lankford (Oklahoma) $18,955
Jim Risch (Idaho) $18,850
Tim Scott (South Carolina) $18,513
Kevin Cramer (North Dakota) $13,255
It needs to be repeated: Gov Abbott signed the ‘permitless carry’ bill into law. No license, no registration, no training required to carry a handgun in Texas.
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Rayne/ mods, can you also disable the link to same unknown site that’s in the new commenter’s name to prevent clickthru?
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Thank you ;)
And, if what I have read is correct, the only reason the NRA has that money to distribute is that Russia bailed them out of dire financial difficulties. What a great deal for Russia–launder blood money and damage US society.
Thanks for the laundry list. Wow – staggering to see in writing. Paid spokespersons for the NRA.
We asked every senator what action should be taken on guns. Here’s what they said
YES drummer Alan White and Depeche Mode keyboardist Andy Fletcher each died today.
From the respective discographies for the current situation:
Depeche Mode – Enjoy The Silence (Live in Berlin) [Fletcher stage left]
Yes – Changes Live
Only through love changes come
Correction: each man’s death was announced in the popular press 5/26/2022, but White had apparently died last Thursday, and DM didn’t give a date for Fletcher’s passing.
At any rate, for DM and the times it was hard to pass up Personal Jesus and, much more directly, People are People. But Enjoy the Silence is the song of the day.
Back to Changes:
Militarization of the police is a subset of a more pervasive militarism. The U.S. spends 38% of the world’s total military spending. And that is with overwhelmingly bipartisan support. The rationale for that level of spending is not simply defense or national security. Arms spending is viewed as a linchpin for economic prosperity. As Michal Kalecki pointed out 80 years ago, big finance and industry will not support deficit spending for social purposes but they will support it for military. Such a huge expenditure has cultural effects. Wearing camo, body armor and carrying weapons is fashionable in some circles.
Brings to mind that “Commie (snark)” Eisenhower’s farewell address:
The NRA Convention Begins Today. You Can’t Bring Your Gun.
And it’s not just because the Secret Service says so.
That must be because they don’t think people there will be effective “good guys”.
All good points. One other worth mentioning is that the GOP wants to privatize education, so weakening public schools is part of their agenda as well. Making parents fear sending their kids to public school is one of several methods used to accomplish this. If it’s not shooters, it’s LGBTQ children attacking in the bathrooms who will threaten “real American” children. Grift from charter schools is also flowing to the GOPpers.
Stephen Colbert – Spot on monologue
Senate Skips Town Without Taking Action | 100+ GOP Midterm Ads Feature Guns
And Jimmy Kimmel
Ted Cruz Vows to Stop Gun Violence by Abolishing Doors & More Terrible Ideas from Terrible Leaders
“ They had gear as well as training and they weren’t willing to use it because they might have been shot.”
And yet conservatives will still maintain as a matter of faith that gun control won’t work and the answer is more armed guards in schools.
As Rayne has said, the shit has not begun to hit the fan, and it will be about more than an 18 minute gap in the tapes. This thread centers around a Texas LE spokesperson’s argument, pointed out in the previous comment, that the reason officers did not enter the building sooner was that they might have been shot!
We’ll need more facts, but the mindset makes no sense. Going into harm’s way is what LE trains for. It’s the job. It’s why we are frequently begged to pay homage to our brave heroes, who put everything on the line for us. It’s why they are given phenomenal budgets and resources, a near monopoly on the legal use of force, and myriad protections from liability.
Somebody, several somebodies, gave those orders. I don’t want to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, or pass judgment before all the facts are in – but it’s beginning to look like the heads of some senior officials in Texas should roll.
This thread contradicts some of the whoppers told by Abbott and Texas LE:
The shooter was Not wearing body armor.
There was a resource officer, but he was “nearby” at the time the shooter entered the school. So, he did not “engage” shooter.
The door the shooter entered by was not locked and shot through, it was not unlocked, it was propped open.
Nineteen officers were outside the classroom door, but did not breach it, because they assumed it was barricaded and that everyone inside but the shooter was dead.
Local police outside the school prevented parents from entering the school to retrieve their kids, but some of them went inside to retrieve their own – before the shooter was taken down.
As Dan Froomkin notes, all police lie, but some do it more often than others. Abbott and several of his top people should resign. They won’t, because as TFG (and Boris Johnson) gleefully says, accountability is for suckers. I urge Texas voters to vote for Beto.
Almost every theory tried out by the TX DPS has been debunked in almost real time. The shooter shot his grandmother (who apparently called 911) and wrecked the car on the way to Robb Elementary. He then milled about for 12 minutes shooting at apparent random (more 911 calls) before getting into the school. Uvalde’s a 16,000 person town, and gunfire is loud. Why wasn’t Uvalde PD and the SRO setting up a perimeter around the school in those 12 minutes? We don’t know but if I wonder if it had to do with the demographics of the school vs the town’s leadership. Is Robb the only school in town? Wiki doesn’t have anything about the schools there, but I would suspect it is not given that Uvalde is the county seat for Uvalde County.
The CBP team was held up by the local cops after arriving at around 1210. Why is that important? Because there are multiple calls from students inside the classroom starting around 1203 and while several were likely dead already, even a round of tear gas would drive out the shooter and saved many lives. These 911 calls from the classroom continued for over a half hour (until 1247) debunking the DPS theory that they didn’t go in because the shooter was barricaded with no kids left alive and they might get hurt. As a side note, if that was the truth or operative theory then the only target left would be the shooter, so blast away.
There will be more CYA lying from the TX DPS and government authorities, so it really behooves Biden and Garland to get the FBI and DoJ into Uvalde before all of the evidence is glitched into oblivion.
Of course, the NRA is still holding their shindig in Houston (14 acres of guns, dontchaknow) in an eerie parallel to the situation after Columbine when the NRA held a convention in Denver a couple of days later. Disgusting.
The RWNM is trying to blame everyone but the gun lobby and themselves, so I wonder how long it will be before Hunter Biden’s laptop makes another appearance on the airwaves. It was particularly appalling to see Carlson claim that Biden ‘politicized’ the discussion with his comments.
That 40 minutes between the arrival of the BP assault team and when it finally breached the classroom and killed the shooter is hard to fathom. How many kids would still be alive had they gone in earlier?
When the smoke clears and the funerals are over, Uvalde and Austin will be buried in lawsuits wanting answers to that question. Horribly, Congress and Texas have nearly immunized the gun industry from liability; otherwise, they might be held partially to account for the path of destruction they enable. Texas voters, though, will have a say in November.
Three elementary schools, two middle schools, and a HS. That’s about right for a place that size.
Too bad (snark) that some russian-trained specialists weren’t called in to protect the most valuable assets – our children.
Just to recall, the Moscow Theater Hostage Crisis. Chechen patriots (just like the NRA patriots) had taken control of a theater in Moscow in 2002. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
Putin ordered agents to use some form of debilitating agent – probably fentanyl or a derivative – to disable all persons within the structure.
Next: Cue the US SWAT and all other police to get weapons that distribute opioids in a crisis. And then cue the Sacklers to make more profit.
I was thinking of the RadioLab podcast “No Special Duty” from Oct 2020 when I read this comment. The podcast reviews the fact that courts have said police have no special duty to protect citizens unless a strict list of criteria is met. The podcast runs through cases where private citizens were in danger/injured/killed, and the police who were aware of the situation in real time were not held responsible for not protecting those citizens.
IANAL but apparently ‘there is no affirmative duty on the part of the state [police] to protect you’. Gets to your issue which is what is the purpose of LE if not to protect? (I also worry it will be yet another reason for the gun crowd to say this is the reason everyone (every teacher, etc) needs a gun…)
There is a Transcript button to the right of the Listen button.
How can “no special duty” apply in the case of children inside a publicly-funded facility. That’s really not a question; if we’re going to cough up massive tax dollars for what we believe to be public safety services and police refuse to protect the most vulnerable citizens, what’s the goddamned point of police? What even is public safety?
Well, these cops are behaving like they’re the Praetorian Guard shortly before being disbanded. Slick toys and uniforms, but fergawdsakes don’t make them go fight because their hair might get mussed.
The attached asks a good question about Abbott’s yarn regarding the heroic SRO, because it appears that the DPS chief threw ol’ Greg under the bus.
I was wondering the same. As children are required to be in school, and it is a public school, I would hope they do meet the strict criteria set by the law or courts. But this is cold comfort to the families of dead elementary school students and their teachers. The police delay is infuriating.
In one of the podcast examples, the police watched a citizen be stabbed by a murder suspect they were looking for in the subway, but the police stayed out of harm’s way on their side of the subway car glass door.
The injured citizen who survived by a miracle lost a suit he brought against the police/state for failure to protect him.
1:38 PM · May 27, 2022
1:22 PM · May 27, 2022
Having a hard time even breathing right now.
I can’t tell whether what we have here is failure to communicate (about the 911 calls), panicky assumptions, gross mismanagement, or reckless disregard for lives at risk. Maybe all of them.
Apart from the nineteen officers in the hallway outside the classroom, and presumably more outside it, there was also a Border Patrol assault team, which was told to standby.
One would think that if the site commander thought, for example, that everyone but the shooter was dead, it would be time to breach the classroom – on your timing and terms. It’s not as if the shooter couldn’t still shoot out of the classroom windows, or exit the room shooting, intending suicide by cop. It’s not as if there was an effort to negotiate – which would have been fruitless while the shooting was going on.
The police were operationally incompetent in each one of those areas: communication, analysis, management, assumptions, the nature and speed of any additional help. It is just a CYA exercise now. They should just say the dog ate their homework and be done with it.
Horrific plus much more to be exposed.
Abbott and Republican representatives in Texas voted to ease gun laws allowing permitless carry bill to pass. Obviously, that law doesn’t work. The problem, guns and access to guns.
A line-up of kids across the street from the NRA convention in Houston: “Am I Next?”
Good. I’m waiting for Alex Jones et al to scream crisis actors and/or BLM and/or ‘ANTIFA’ as well as the GQP going into the ‘nobody could have foreseen’ gambit of the ‘lone wolf’. Never mind that Buffalo’s atrocity isn’t even two weeks old yet or all of the other significant school shootings or soft-target massacres. Never mind that IF the Uvalde PD and SWAT team actually did train somewhere other than at the local Luby’s with any degree of professionalism this is a scenario that would have been covered explicitly.
No excuses would be valid here, but no doubt the TX DPS will keep trying to blame others (like I saw in the twitter feed earlier that DPS was trying to blame the teachers).
In answer to Rayne’s tweet, Uvalde is within the 100 mile CBP zone so they do have jurisdiction.
TX DPS apologists (on all levels) = waste of sperm / lower than whale dung. Separated so the mods can nuke it if they want.
At least whale dung has a good use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambergris
I haven’t found a good use for repuglicons in any form. Even the soylent green factory down the road won’t take them.
They have jurisdiction within their remit, which is not general law enforcement. But as an armed federal agency, they were responding to calls for help from local LE.
The site commander will rightfully come under intense scrutiny, because it does not take hindsight to see the errors. There are a plethora of other questions, such as what’s the communications flow from a 911 dispatcher, who received calls from that classroom, to LE? Who did they send the info to and why, who got missed, if anybody, because there was still an active shooter situation.
Actually, CPB, part of DHS, has broader jurisdiction. In addition to immigration-related offenses:
There were obviously one or more federal offenses involved in the illegal detention and murder of so many people – e.g., kidnapping, deprivation of civil rights – witnessed by CBP agents, so concurrent jurisdiction would not be a problem.
They already are screaming that and worse which has gotten at least one trans person targeted in real life besides online. The [inhabitants of the site from which fresh hell always emanates] started the trolling competition immediately. “Trans-antifa-illegal” gained some traction; IIRC it was Gosar who amplified it then deleted tweet.
Pretty sure the account I read was by AP via Inquirer but surely others are on it.
Here’s a THREAD from someone who’s at the PROTEST outside the NRA Convention:
1:18 PM · May 27, 2022
Beto O’ROURKE is speaking now [same THREAD, further on]
I wonder how competent the police presence outside the NRA convention in Houston this weekend will be?
The 911 system exists explicitly to connect calls for help with local police, fire, and medical services. GPS chips became mandatory for all cell phones supposedly to enable its function.
I fail to see how a 911 emergency call from a child on a cell phone in a school in Uvalde would go anywhere but to the Uvalde PD. Apart from being where the call originated, it’s also the county seat. If there was miscommunication, where did it come from, because it might be a systemic problem.
The Texas Commission on State Emergency Communications manages the 9-1-1 system and provides service to jurisdictions that aren’t covered by emergency communications districts that existed prior to the commissions formation. You’d hope there was some consistency with regard to technical capabilities.
That’s not a hope encouraged by the Commission’s opaque website.
The Prospect has two good articles on topic, one on why the Uvalde police response might have been so poor. It focuses on the typical character of police training, which emphasizes an exaggerated sense of the community-as-enemy, and a shoot first mentality, to the detriment of any other solutions.
The other is about the “wheezing politics,” that enfeebles political responses to the public health crisis of serial mass shootings, and calls Beto O’Rourke as an exception to that rule.
Good summary of the timeline of events so far, from Jeremy Stahl at Slate.
I hadn’t seen this number before, but apparently there are 17 wounded kids, on top of the 19 children and 2 adults who were killed. All in the same double classroom.
Unsurprisingly, Abbott, the head of the Texas DPS, and the Uvalde mayor are claiming ignorance of the wrong facts – which somebody made up – and throwing the police chief under the bus.
Am fine with the bus rolling on the local PC, but the rote ignorance as to everything by Abbott et. al is distressing.
They’re trying to blame the school police chief, who has all of five people in his department. (Six schools in Uvalde, maybe a few grade schools elsewhere in the district.)
Anything to avoid being responsible for their own actions or lack thereof.
Exactly. “The fault lies with Paul Blart, Mall Cop”. STFU with that bunk. Nobody puts Paul Blart in charge of a school shooting situation. That is just ridiculous.
Especially with a nine-person SWAT squad that according to reports had trained on that very situation at Robb about 60 days ago. It looks like the school PD chief is the current designated patsy, but seriously this is something that the Uvalde PD chief at least should have taken over as OIC.
Would hazard a guess the Uvalde PC will be the one ultimately. Again, nobody puts Paul Blart in charge.
I’m fine with laying blame where it belongs. The locals may have enough to go round, but it’s probably not just them.
The school police chief – what a thing, only in Texas – would not have had expertise or authority over the local PD and its SWAT team, let alone the dozens of visiting LE officers, including the federal BP assault team. Dominance and control is the first thing these guys learn, so yielding it to the chief of a local school district’s five- or six-person squad seems unlikely.
One defense that’s being pushed is that the local police waited so long because they needed breaching equipment. Seems weak to me, but were there no alternatives? Wouldn’t the local SWAT team – nine members, half the local force – have had it? Isn’t it used frequently, serving warrants, for example? If not, wouldn’t the local fire department? Who waits for the guy with a key when a house is on fire?
Defending criticism of LE seems more important to LE than doing their job. It begins to look like an Elon Musk marketing scam or the Wizard of Oz: poke around too much or look behind the current, and reality might set in.
Agree with all of that. The whole thing did not make sense to start with, and every ounce of information that latently oozes out makes it even worse and more curious. And, nope, hard to buy Paul Blart School Cop as the real problem.