How the Proud Boy Conspiracy Might Network Out in the Wake of the Seditious Conspiracy Verdict

Since at least August 2021, I have emphasized the import of the Proud Boys conspiracy because of the way Joe Biggs (and, I’d add, Enrique Tarrio) served as a nexus between the attack on the Capitol and the people who orchestrated the attack on the Capitol.

Because of Joe Biggs’ role at the nexus between the mob that attacked Congress and those that orchestrated the mob, his prosecution is the most important case in the entire January 6 investigation. If you prosecute him and his alleged co-conspirators successfully, you might also succeed in holding those who incited the attack on the Capitol accountable. If you botch the Biggs prosecution, then all the most important people will go free.

The point was echoed by Tarrio in a Gateway Pundit appearance after closing arguments, in which he called himself, “the next stepping stone.” And in a comment during closing arguments for which prosecutors got a curative instruction, Norm Pattis (the lawyer Biggs shares with Alex Jones) said, “this case will have impact on [the government’s] charging decisions in other cases.”

This post will explain how the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy verdict might network out, to other Proud Boys, in the weeks ahead. A follow-up will explain how it might network up.

The split verdict

Yesterday, a jury found Biggs and Tarrio guilty of all charges against them save two assaults charged under a co-conspirator liability theory: the one Dominic Pezzola committed in stealing the riot shield that he would then use to make the first breach of the building, and the one for throwing a water bottle for which Charles Donohoe, whose absence from the trial seems to have befuddled the jury, already pled guilty.

The sedition verdicts against Biggs, Tarrio, Ethan Nordean and Zach Rehl are the showy news result, but Pezzola’s fate may prove just as instructive for what this verdict means for others. In addition to charges for assaulting that cop, robbing his shield, and breaking the window, Pezzola was found guilty of obstructing the vote certification, but not conspiring with the others to do that (on which the jury hung) or to seditiously attack the government (on which the jury came back with a not guilty verdict).

Pezzola was found guilty of conspiring with the others to impede either cops or members of Congress from doing their duty, a conspiracy that carries a six year sentence rather than the twenty year max sentences the two other conspiracies carry. The government used that 18 USC 372 charge in this case and in the Oath Keepers’ case. As I’ve noted, it was only otherwise used to charge the men who attacked Brian Sicknick, though the conspiracy charge was ultimately dropped in guilty pleas. Using a slightly different description of the object of the conspiracy, all four members of the second Oath Keeper sedition group were found guilty of it (but then, they were found guilty of pretty much everything), three members of Rhodes sedition group were convicted of it (but not Rhodes or Thomas Caldwell), and four of six defendants in the lesser Oath Keeper conspiracy were convicted of it.

The Pezzola verdict may reflect his own testimony: He took the stand and claimed credit for his own assault, which he said had nothing to do with the other defendants, but tried to claim self-defense. (Here’s Brandi’s post on his testimony.) The jury seems to have believed that he had not agreed to enter into the two conspiracies — sedition and obstruction — that largely took form on Telegram threads he was not yet on, but their 372 verdict suggests they found he did agree on the day of the attack to work with the Proud Boys to chase Congress away from their job. I suspect that outcome may have relied on his willingness to take the stand.

In this split verdict, Pezzola’s outcome is pretty similar to that of Oath Keeper Kenneth Harrelson, who was convicted of the 372  conspiracy but not the sedition or obstruction conspiracies. Like Pezzola, he was convicted of obstruction individually.

In other words, most members of both militias were found guilty, not just of obstructing the vote certification, but of doing things to chase Congress out of their chambers, thereby preventing from doing their job. On that latter act — impeding Congress from doing their job — four separate juries have found more evidence to support a conspiracy than on obstruction.

The government may use these collective results to — as Tarrio and Pattis predicted — make further prosecutorial decisions.

The Proud Boy tools

As Brandi and I have both explained, prosecutors won a guilty verdict in this case by arguing that the Proud Boy leaders used others as “tools” of their conspiracy.

In response to a series of rulings, the theory evolved into a co-conspirator liability, with each “tool” presented at trial first premised — as Tim Kelly described in an order he released just before the initial  verdict — on the government’s proffer of their involvement based on some combination of a prior tie to the Proud Boys, participation on the chats in advance, and marching with the Proud Boys from the start on January 6. Judge Kelly did exclude some of the people the government had asked to include, marked by cross-outs below:

William Pepe; Christopher Worrell; Barry Ramey; Daniel Lyons Scott; Trevor McDonald; Marc Bru; Gilbert Fonticoba; Ronald Loehrke and James Haffner; Nicholas Ochs; Gabriel Garcia; Paul Rae; Barton Shively; a group that included A.J. Fischer, Dion Rajewski, Zach Johnson, Brian Boele, and James Brett; and another group that included Arthur Jackman, Nate and Kevin Tuck, and Eddie George.

But for the rest, Kelly issued a ruling finding the men participated in the attack launched on the Capitol as Proud Boys. It’s an important ruling not just because it helped prosecutors to prove the Proud Boy Leaders used force even without, themselves, having assaulted anyone, but because it used participation in the Proud Boys attack as an element of conspiracy in a way that does not depend on First Amendment protected membership in the militia. They were found to be tools of this conspiracy not because they were Proud Boys, but because of things they did as Proud Boys.

It is probably not a coincidence that the cases against many of these men have been languishing as prosecutors focused on the Leader conspiracy. The current status of the prosecution of those Kelly did include is as follows:

Nicholas Ochs (who did not march with the Proud Boys on January 6): Currently serving a four-year sentence for obstruction.

Dan Scott: Awaiting sentencing on obstruction and assault charges.

Christopher Worrell: Bench Trial for obstruction, civil disorder, and assault paused; due to resume May 11.

Gabriel Garcia: After Garcia got caught hob-nobbing with Matt Gaetz and Ivan Raiklin in violation of pretrial release, his then lawyer parted ways with him. He is scheduled to face trial on obstruction, civil disorder, and trespassing charges in August.

William Pepe: Currently the sole remaining defendant on a conspiracy, obstruction, and civil disorder indictment in which Pezzola and cooperating witness Matthew Greene were originally charged. His attorney, William Shipley, is trying to delay trial until the fall; he has a status conference before Judge Kelly today. Update: They extended this case to July 11 today.

Trevor McDonald: Trevor McDonald has not been publicly charged.

Marc Bru: Bru is scheduled for a Bench Trial on obstruction and civil disorder charges in July.

Gilbert Fonticoba: Fonticoba faces trial on obstruction and civil disorder charges in October.

Ronald Loehrke and James Haffner: Loehrke and Haffner remain charged by complaint, facing civil disorder and trespass charges, with an assault charge against Haffner. They have a status hearing scheduled May 9.

Paul Rae, Arthur Jackman, Nate and Kevin Tuck, and Eddie George: Joe Biggs’ co-travelers currently face charges including obstruction and — for some — civil disorder, assault, and theft. This case has been dawdling over conflict proceedings involving John Pierce. Two long-term loaner AUSAs, Christopher Veatch and Nadia Moore (the latter of whom delivered the rebuttal argument in the Proud Boy leader trial), dropped off the case after closing arguments in the Proud Boy Leaders trial, perhaps freeing them to return to their homes after two years of work. This case is bound to take on new form in the status hearing before Tim Kelly scheduled today. Update: In the status conference, they continued this case to July 11. This morning, Proud Boy Leader prosecutor Jason McCullough filed his appearance.

AJ Fischer and Zach Johnson: Fischer and Johnson are charged along with non-Proud Boys who were part of the Tunnel assault with civil disorder and, for the two Proud Boys, assault. The indictment was charged under the Major Conspiracy section and may reflect cooperation between militias. The defendants have a July status hearing. As she did in the Biggs co-traveler case, Moore dropped off this case after delivering closing arguments.

For all the named “tools,” a judge has found that they followed Biggs and Nordean on the day of the attack. Like Pezzola, it would not be a stretch to argue they entered into a conspiracy to impede the cops and members of Congress. For all but Ochs, Scott, and Worrell, the government could supersede the charges against the men to incorporate evidence presented in the Proud Boy Leaders trial.

Two other Proud Boy groups may be affected by this trial.

Rehl’s co-travelers: Three of the guys that Rehl recruited to join the Proud Boys on January 6 were charged in December 2021: Isaiah Giddings, Brian Healion, and Freedom Vy. Giddings pled guilty to the more serious trespassing charge in January, but his statement of offense was somewhat discredited by belatedly-discovered evidence presented at trial that Rehl had not just wanted to get a can of pepper spray to use on cops on January 6, but had done so. Healion and Vy are still awaiting indictment. Rehl’s testimony at trial — particularly the evidence that he may have assaulted a cop — may make it easier to charge them with felonies.

The KC cell: Like many other Proud Boy cases, the prosecution of the Kansas City cell — one of the few others charged as conspiracy from the start — has been languishing during the Proud Boy leaders trial, even in spite of the fact that there is a cooperating witness, Enrique Colon, and one who proffered but was unwilling to testify against his co-conspirators, Ryan Ashlock. There’s a likely additional reason this case has languished, to say nothing of the fact that prosecutors didn’t include this cell — not even cell leader Billy Chrestman — in their tools theory: the participation of an FBI informant, who testified under the name “Ehren,” in their cell, setting up the possibility that those defendants could claim their actions were incited by the government. More than any other set of Proud Boy defendants, however, the Leader trial likely harmed this group, because during “Ehren’s” testimony, he made it clear that he did what he did that day — including helping to prevent the police from closing the gates to the tunnels — of his own accord. Here’s how Brandi described it:

Following suboptimal testimony from Tarrio’s witnesses this week, defendant Ethan Nordean squeezed in witness testimony from an FBI confidential human source and Proud Boy who appeared in court using only his middle name, “Ehren.”

Unfortunately for the defense, “Ehren,” testified under cross-examination that he was not at the Capitol on Jan. 6 as an FBI informant in any meaningful sense. He was there, he affirmed, as a member of the Proud Boys. Though the spelling of his name was not reported into the record, “Ehren” would appear to be the individual that Jan. 6 internet sleuths have identified as “TrackSuitPB.”

In video footage, jurors could see how “Ehren” entered the Capitol carrying zip tie cuffs he said he acquired incidentally as a memento of sorts. At another point, he appears in capitol CCTV  footage flanked by Kansas City Proud Boys like William “Billy” Chrestman, Chris Kuehne, and others, as he helps place a podium under an interior electric gate to keep it from closing while others set chairs in the way. Police are seen working over and over to drop the barrier as rioters advanced.

Poking holes in the defense’s direct and indirect suggestions over these many weeks of trial that the FBI was responsible for guiding the violence of Jan. 6, “Ehren” admitted he wasn’t instructed by the bureau to obstruct the gate. Or enter the Capitol. Or impede police. In hindsight, he admitted, he shouldn’t have helped prop open gates police were trying to lower at all.

While he testified, evidence was also presented to strongly support the government’s claim that he was playing up the “informing” he offered to the FBI.

“Ehren” texted his handler on Jan. 6 at 1:02 p.m. ET just as barriers were overrun: “Pb did not do it, nor inspire. The crowd did as a herd mentality. Not organized. Barriers down at capital [sic] building crowd surged forward, almost to the building now.”

During his interviews with the FBI in the summer of 2021, he claimed he was standing 100 people back from the front of the first breach. In court, however, footage showed him more like 20 or 30 people back. He was also close to defendant Zachary Rehl at one point as Rehl filmed from the fore of the crowd.

Note that Ethan Nordean’s attorney, Nick Smith, called Ehren to give this fairly counterproductive testimony. Smith also represents two of the defendants in the KC Cell, siblings Corey and Felicia. They have a status hearing scheduled before Tim Kelly on May 16. As he did on the Biggs’ co-traveler case, Veatch dropped off this case after the Leaders closing arguments.

Altogether, there are 19 people already charged (the 17 tools less Ochs, Scott, Worrell, and McDonald, plus two Rehl co-travelers and the four remaining KC defendants), plus McDonald and a few others otherwise treated as co-conspirators, who might face superseding charges or — at the very least — a more damning set of evidence based on trial testimony presented at the Proud Boy Leader case. Prosecutors may take the Pezzola verdict as a gauge of what a jury will find convincing, including that the larger Proud Boys group conspired to impede the police and Congress on January 6. That may not only expose some of these defendants to one or more additional felonies, but lay out how a networked conspiracy worked to assault the Capitol on January 6.

Update: According to this Vice News interview with one of the jurors, one reason they didn’t convict Pezz on sedition is bc he “may not have been bright enough to really know about the plan.”

Dominic Pezzola, “Spazzo”, was acquitted on seditious conspiracy. What was the difference there? Why was he acquitted when the others were found guilty? 

Well, he wasn’t in leadership for one. And he only joined the Proud Boys in November or December of 2020.  So he didn’t have a whole lot of time before Jan. 6. They have the different tiers you know, level 1 to level 4. Spazz was a 2 or 3 and on a fast track because he was so expressive of being a bad boy. We actually deadlocked on Spazz at first. But we got through that and said not guilty. Another factor was just that he wasn’t the brightest bulb on the porch. And may not have been bright enough to really know about the plan. So I said, well, poor guy.  He should’ve listened to his father-in-law, who told him “don’t go.”

The juror’s testimony about the demeanor of Pezzola and Rehl in their testimony closely matches what Brandi found.

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28 replies
  1. harpie says:

    Thank you so much for this enlightening look at some of the possible ramifications outward of the PB trial. I’m also looking forward to reading what you have to say about possible ramifications upward.

    re: Brandi’s tweet:
    https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1650936932187119642
    2:56 PM · Apr 25, 2023

    I stepped out for a quick break for myself but as I return to the media room, AUSA Erik Kenerson asked for a curative instruction because of Pattis’ closing arguments; he argued this case will have impact on govt’s charging decisions in other cases…

    When you get a chance, could you please ask Brandi whom that “he” refers to? I thought it might me Kenerson.

    • emptywheel says:

      Pattis.

      You’re not supposed to make jurors think they’re work has any effect on others not before them.

      • harpie says:

        OK, thanks! So that refers to Pattis saying “your verdict will speak to the future.” in the Parloff tweet below?

      • harpie says:

        Again, thanks…that really helped! You have put together a massive amount of information here! It is much appreciated!

    • harpie says:

      In her next tweet, Brandi links to Parloff tweet #217. This is Parloff tweet # 213:

      https://twitter.com/rparloff/status/1650933399262056449
      2:42 PM · Apr 25, 2023

      [PATTIS]: we think acquittal here is right result. govt brought this case. judge will tell you you must apply the law. … your verdict means so much more than J6 itself. J6 is aberration. your verdict will speak to the future. will speak to govt in terms of which they choose to /213 bring
      Obj-sustained

  2. harpie says:

    Brandi from the above post:
    “Ehren” texted his handler on Jan. 6 at 1:02 p.m. ET just as barriers were overrun

    Whenever I see that time mentioned, I think of Marcy’s comment:
    https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/07/08/proud-boy-ucc-1s-work-ethic-saved-him-from-a-felony-charge/

    Great swaths of the texts from January 6 — almost 10 full pages — are redacted. What’s left are seemingly one after another Proud Boy (not all present) claiming to be storming the Capitol right at 1:02 PM.

  3. Sabine Farm says:

    A really remarkable , quick analysis of the jury verdict and what could be its’ ramifications. Thank you , Professor Wheeler. Your immediate insight regarding the jury’s request for a stapler as an indicator of its’ seriousness of purpose and industriousness is a classic insight.Every lawyer’s trial bag should have a fully loaded stapler with refills. You, truly , combine an encyclopedic command of the facts and law with a practical sense that is singular.

  4. klynn says:

    Thank you for the summary and next steps.

    The Jan 6 nexus is becoming clearer.
    -Proud Boys/Roger Stone/FOS
    -Oath Keepers/Three Percenters/Flynn (Church groups)
    -Stop The Steal/Ali Alexander/Alex Jones (Church groups) (Q & Right extreme conspiracy seeders)

    This quote has stuck with me from Donell Harvin, former D.C. homeland security chief, when said his agency had intelligence of “very, very violent individuals” from these groups organizing to come to Washington, D.C. on Jan. 6.
    “These non-aligned groups were aligning, and all the red flags went up at that point,” he said. “When you have armed militia collaborating with white supremacy groups, collaborating with conspiracy theory groups online, all for the common goal, you start seeing what we call in terrorism a blended ideology, and that’s a very, very bad sign,” said Harvin. (Jan 6th Committee hearing)

    This one story from NPR on the J6 Committee hearing on 7/12/22 has been in my bookmarks and is a good “reminder read” after yesterday’s Proud Boys verdict and this summary post by Marcy.
    https://www.npr.org/2022/07/12/1111132464/jan-6-hearing-recap-oath-keepers-proud-boys

    • emptywheel says:

      Well, hopefully I’ll fill in some of that in my follow-up. But the preview is 1) Joe Biggs is a former Alex Jones employee 2) Trump asked Alex Jones to bring a mob to the Capitol 3) Biggs and Nordean were coordinating with Jones in real time and actually waited for that mob to show up.

      • Yargelsnogger says:

        Has anything come to light about communications between the seditious conspirators and any other friends of the White House – like those at the Willard War Room? Is that still a likely avenue of investigation or do you think it has dried up?

      • klynn says:

        I’ll look forward to your further insights on Milkshake and Roger Stone tied in as well.

      • Patrick Carty says:

        On January 5 Steve Bannon promised “All Hell Was About to Break Loose” for the following day. What insight did he have and what chain of command could he have been in? And yes I understand he’s very good at hiding his footprints in the game of chicanery.

  5. Shadowalker says:

    Vice just posted an interview with one of the jurors.

    Couple of points. They decided on the sedition charge early on in deliberations by first establishing a conspiracy then linking that with interfering with government function. Second was “Spaz”s (juror’s word not mine) not guilty verdict on the Seditious Conspiracy charge, the reasons were he only joined the PB in December and it was felt he wasn’t involved in the conspiracy itself, plus he wasn’t the “brightest bulb on the porch” (again juror’s words).

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/epvxqw/enrique-tarrio-proud-boys-jury

  6. The Old Redneck says:

    It’s amusing that this defense – too dumb to engage in a conspiracy – is the same reason the Mueller Report concluded that Donald Trump Jr. should not be charged with any crimes for meeting with a Russian lawyer about, er . . . adoption. Being a dimwit is the gift that keeps on giving!

    • timbozone says:

      You might say that they dimwitted themselves into the spotlight. Do it often enough and you get convicted and sent to the slammer.

    • Joeff1953 says:

      As an aside I’m sure Mueller thought himself oh so clever by ascribing Don Jr’s innocence to stupidity, thereby shaming him (an impossibility) and avoiding having to prosecute. One in a litany of failure.

      • timbozone says:

        As opposed to Durham’s successes? Also, can you put a direct quote in here from the Muller report (or anywhere else for that matter) where Muller said anything close to what you are attributing to him here?

        • joel fisher says:

          Ignorance, perhaps, not stupidity. But definitely in the ballpark. Also, something I don’t believe to be true. Defendants are not required to be aware of the criminal law in order to be guilty.
          “On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful. The investigation has not developed evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban or the application of federal law to the relevant factual context.”
          Mueller Report Vol I, p 187

  7. Rugger_9 says:

    I’ve been pointing to the Roger Stone angle for a very long time here, and have no doubt we are within a couple of degrees of separation at most to tying the J6 events to Stone. What’s different now is that Defendant-1 can’t pardon Stone even if Stone tries to blackmail D-1 like he did before to get his pardon. This is totally speculation, but I would not be surprised that Rep. Comer’s sudden claim that Joe Biden had a quid pro quo with a Chinese agent (in 2020, while D-1 was still POTUS and Biden wasn’t the Veep) smells to me like another Stone attempt to leverage another pardon or an immunity deal.

    Would Stone rat out Defendant-1? Yes, unless bought off.

  8. Kick the Darkness says:

    I’ll be interested in hearing how/whether you think the successful use of the “tools” theory in the PB case translates to moving up the hierachy. Because, at least as defined for this trial being a tool would seem to be narrowly restricted to moving down (PB involvement but not leadership, specific actions). So by those criteria, it would seem DOJ could not argue, for example, that Stones/Jones, sort of the classic agent provacteurs, themselves used the PBs or OKs as “tools”. Maybe I’m missing something or for the legal minded that’s been apparent from the beginning. I have to say there’s a certain fascination in watching these things play out. Thank you for the granularity.

  9. silatserak says:

    I have no idea what name I used the last and only time I think I ever posted. I never posted again because of being slapped down for asking one question. I’m not a lawyer. I’m in my seventies now and I’m going to try again before I run out of time. Haha. The name I’m using here, I will use from now on and I hope it’s adequate.

    Since the January 6th attack on the Capitol, I have read numerous articles about the proud boys coordinating with the FBI boys with information about leftist groups. If this is true I’m wondering why it’s not a bigger issue?

    [Welcome back to emptywheel. You’ve posted 5 comments in the past — the first as “talis” in 2018, and as “Silat” between 2019-2021. The username you’ve used today complies with our new 8-letter minimum standard, please stick with it here on forward. Thanks. /~Rayne]

    • Rayne says:

      First, I’ve gone and checked your comment history and I don’t see where you were “slapped down” apart from one community member disagreeing with you about the NYT’s performance. Just keep commenting so long as you’re making a well-reasoned and adequately researched statement.

      However I think you need to clarify what you’re trying to say about the Proud Boys and FBI and leftist groups because your comment looks more like propaganda without any substantiating information to support your question.

      You do realize a former FBI agent was arrested this past week, yes? Which suggests any relationship you’re alluding to could be under scrutiny?
      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/fbi-says-former-agent-arrested-jan-6-called-officers-nazis-rcna82567

  10. CrankyAsAnOldMan says:

    I did read the Oath keepers sentencing recommendations (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23801119-rhodesetalsentmem050523) and noted in it that Kelly Meggs had done telephone interviews with Fox Orlando and “Real America Voice” downplaying his role and complaining about a government conspiracy to silence “real Americans”, etc., but also noted that Megg’s instructed his son to operate a website to present and support his claims.

    I was curious about this website. It’s called “BThePeople” dot com (page 111). It’s actually hard to find. It did not pop up in a Google search and you have to type in the complete address in the URL bar using “https://” etc., to get it to come up (https://bthepeople.com/) and I wonder if that is an attempt to hide the website. At this website, under the “Donations and Info” tab is a link to over 15 of the Jan 6th participants “GiveSendGo” accounts one of which is, of course, Kelly Meggs “GiveSendGo” account.

    The “GiveSendGo” accounts, which are typically operated by the families of the jailed participants, often post updates from the jailed/pending/or even convicted Jan 6’ers. Meggs last update is from December 2022 and in it he advises other people to destroy their electronic devices and generally complains about the loss of “free speech” in the country and how the government lies and will manipulate people to make them look guilty unfairly, etc.He claims he is “INNOCENT”. He is clearly unbowed and unrepentant based on the last update provided by his family. In a previous post by Meggs son, he mentions doing an interview with a show called “Cowboy Logic”. I looked at a bit of that show on YouTube and it is, well, um, different.

    But some of these other J6’ers listed on “BThePeople” also continue to post updates that are also unbowed and unrepentant.

    Then I read this NBC story about the sentencing of Peter Schwartz: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/federal-judge-imposes-longest-sentence-yet-jan-6-defendant-rcna82982

    U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta noted during the sentencing that Schwartz was the first to throw a chair which was an act that led to the loss of the police line and set off the chain of events that allowed the crowd to enter the Capitol that day. Schwartz attempted to apologize for his actions but Mehta did not believe Schwatz based on some previous comments Schwartz seems to have made somewhere.

    From the article: “Mehta said he did not buy Schwartz’s remorse. “You are not a political prisoner Mr. Schwartz,” the judge said while imposing the sentence. “You are not Alexei Navalny,” Russia’s most prominent opposition politician.”

    I was pleased to see that Schwartz’s post arrest comments that are in complete opposition to his plea for mercy from the court did not go unnoticed. Some of these people really do live in a different world than the rest of us. That, combined with the rise in right-wing extremism, is alarming.

    I guess I’m just hoping that other post-arrest comments such as the ones I saw on “BThePeople” and the “GiveSendGo” accounts are also noted by the prosecution and judges when considering sentencing, especially in light of the seemingly obscure location(s) where the comments can be found such as Megg’s son’s website, “giveSendGo”, and small internet shows such as “RealAmerican Voice” and “Cowboy Logic”. Some of the words I see them use (“political prisoner”, “Gulag”, “show trial”) are words that I’m seeing in social media posts from more regular Trump supporters, AKA “normies”, on popular social media platforms which suggests that these folks are simply not done with whatever it is they plan to do.

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