Pam Bondi Offers a Platform to Expose the Consequences of Trump’s Past Corruption

Greg Sargent had a column proposing ways for Democrats to really challenge Pam Bondi at her confirmation hearing. He describes it as an opportunity to expose how badly she’ll be willing to politicize rule of law.

Democrats should start thinking right now about the opportunity presented by Bondi’s Senate confirmation hearings next year. This will be a major occasion to unmask just how far she’ll gladly go in corrupting the rule of law and unleashing the state on all the “vermin” he has threatened to persecute.

“The attorney general will be the weaponizer-in-chief of the legal system for Trump,” Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland, told me.

While I agree with Sargent’s premise — Democrats should treat Bondi’s confirmation hearing as an opportunity — I disagree with his proposed approach (and that espoused by Jamie Raskin, whom he quotes at length).

Sargent’s focus is on how Bondi would act under predictable eventualities.

Trump has threatened to prosecute enemies without cause. How will Bondi respond when he demands such prosecutions? He has vowed to yank broadcasting rights to punish media companies that displease him and send the military into blue areas for indeterminate pacification missions. His advisers are reportedly exploring whether military officers involved in the Afghanistan mission can be court-martialed. Raskin says Bondi should be confronted on all of this: “Ask whether she thinks the First Amendment and due process are any impediment to what Trump has called for.”

But this is precisely the approach that failed with Bill Barr, who months after a contentious confirmation hearing, kicked off the process of politicizing DOJ.

Most tellingly, Barr was asked questions about the kind of foreseeable eventualities that Sargent describes (such as, pardons for January 6ers), and it did no good. Patrick Leahy, Amy Klobuchar, and Lindsey Graham all asked Barr whether pardoning someone for false testimony would amount to obstruction. Every time, Barr at least conceded the potential applicability of obstruction in that case. And then, just months after that hearing, when Barr wrote a declination memo for Robert Mueller’s obstruction charge, he simply ignored the pardons. He didn’t mention them at all. While it took years for us to learn how he had reneged on his own stated views (by simply ignoring them), those setting these expectations never found a way to hold him accountable for the dodge.

That said, January 6 Committee staffer Thomas Joscelyn, whom Sargent also quotes, gets a bit closer to the approach I’d recommend. Don’t ask Bondi whether she would do something; make sure you lay out her responsibility for inevitable consequences when things she’s likely to do have untoward effects.

“What happens if Trump pardons the Proud Boys leaders who were convicted for seditious conspiracy and instigating the violence?” said Tom Joscelyn, a lead author of the Jan. 6 Committee report, in suggesting lines of questioning for Bondi. “What about the dozens of defendants convicted of assaulting cops?”

Joscelyn adds that pardons for them would provide a major boost to violent far right extremist groups in this country and would “legitimize their cause.” Dems should confront Bondi with all of that. Make her own every last bit of it.

Where I’d add to what Joscelyn suggests is with Trump’s past history.

Rather than asking Bondi about something we know will happen going forward (political violence from freed militia members), ask her how she’ll avoid the negative consequences Trump’s past actions already had. Rather than asking Bondi whether she’ll be responsible for Proud Boy violence when Trump pardons them, instead note that Bill Barr treated threats  the Proud Boys and Roger Stone made against Amy Berman Jackson as a technicality, only to have them plan an insurrection 18 months later. “Bill Barr’s coddling of Trump’s far right extremists led to a predictable increased threat, an attack on the Capitol. How will you avoid the same mistake?” It uses the confirmation hearing to lay out the consequences of past corruption.

You can use this approach with pardons more generally. “Because Trump didn’t properly vet his pardons the first time around, at least seven of them quickly returned to crime, with many of them beating their spouses. How will you ensure that Trump’s bypassing of normal pardon protocol don’t put violent men back on the streets?” You can pick some of the January 6ers — like hardened criminal Shane Jenkins, who almost had a fundraiser at Bedminster, or NeoNazi Timothy Hale-Cusanelli, who did — to ask Bondi how coddling such criminals is consistent with the law-and-order promises she makes.

The difference, so far, is subtle: Using the hearing to show past consequences for Barr or Trump’s own failures, rather than generically predicting future woes.

But that difference becomes more important when adopting a more important focus for the hearing.

Like the legitimization of far right extremists that Joscelyn predicts, we can predict a number of other inevitable outcomes from Trump’s second term. The most important is that as billionaires like Elon Musk loot the government, government service will decline precipitously, only exacerbating the alienation of many of the people who voted for Trump. And when those same billionaires get impunity from Trump’s DOJ, consumers will have their lives ruined. But Trump will work hard to blame scapegoats: liberals, trans people, and unions, rather than the billionaires Trump chose to given direct control over the looting process.

Democrats need to build in accountability for the corruption from the beginning. They need to explain that a crash in life quality is the inevitable consequence of Trump’s corruption and — just as important because committed MAGAts are more likely to turn on others before they turn on Trump — his billionaire appointees and protected buddies.

And Pam Bondi offers a spectacular way to lay that out, because she has been involved in protecting the villains who harmed Trump supporters in the past.

“Ms. Bondi, these ardent Trump supporters who signed up for Trump University racked up debt but got nothing from their degrees. How will you avoid such abuse of consumers going forward?”

“Ms. Bondi, after you fired the attorneys who were investigating banks foreclosing based on dodgy paperwork, millions of Floridians lost their homes. How will you protect Americans from similar business fraud going forward?”

“Ms. Bondi, after you and Rudy Giuliani made false claims about the vote in Pennsylvania, many of them threw their lives away by attacking the Capitol. How will you ensure that such lies don’t harm Trump supporters going forward?”

There are similar questions she can be asked that will anticipate other actions she’s likely to take — like shutting down investigations into Elon Musk’s various stock manipulations and false claims. “Ms. Bondi, how will you protect consumers who purchased cars falsely sold as self-driving?”

There are other questions that might get at Bondi’s past complicity. “Ms. Bondi, why did you and Trump’s other impeachment defense attorneys claim Trump’s demand for an investigation into Burisma was a pursuit of corruption, when Trump’s own DOJ had just shut down a 3-year investigation into Mykola Zlochevsky’s corruption?”

But the most important questions can and should be framed in terms of the Trump supporters whom her past corruption has harmed.

Democrats are not going to prevent Bondi’s confirmation. They’re also not going to get reassurances that Bondi will protect the integrity of the Department; Bill Barr’s prevarications prove that’s futile.

But they can use the high profile confirmation process as a way to lay out what should be a relentless message going forward: corruption hurts the little guy. Trump’s past corruption has hurt his supporters. Bondi’s past corruption has hurt his supporters.

That’s what the Republicans who will confirm her should have to own: the inevitable consequences of her protection of Trump’s corruption and that of the other billionaires who will be swarming his administration.

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43 replies
  1. readerOfTeaLeaves says:

    Democrats need to build in accountability for the corruption from the beginning. They need to explain that a crash in life quality is the inevitable consequence of Trump’s corruption and — just as important because committed MAGAts are more likely to turn on others before they turn on Trump — his billionaire appointees and protected buddies.

    And Pam Bondi offers a spectacular way to lay that out, because she has been involved in protecting the villains who harmed Trump supporters in the past.

    The Dems have little experience building in accountability from the get-go. Here’s their chance.
    THIS would be worth watching.

  2. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Greg Sargent seems to have sufficient answers regarding several important points. For starters, the GOP will be in charge of the Senate and how it conducts the nomination hearings. It will accept whatever investigatory process Trump chooses.

    Not yet being in control of the FBI, he is likely to use private investigators, instead. They would be subject to NDAs, work with low budgets and without the ability to compel testimony or cooperation. Lying to a private dick, for example, hasn’t the same consequence as lying to the FBI.

    Like Trump, his nominees lie, repeatedly, and with great fanfare. The GOP will let them. It will obscure the Dems’ interview project, and their talking points. Their project needs to be more robust than it was for, say, Brett Kavanaugh’s hearings. Nominees, for example, especially for judgeships, often refuse to answer questions based on hypothetical circumstances, which precludes many useful questions.

    There’s no connection between lying to the Senate and what appointees actually do in office. The GOP Senate will not hold hearings on the subject, let alone impeach an appointee for that lying. Nor would, say, Bondi’s DoJ prosecute them for it.

    • Savage Librarian says:

      Do you think Biden or the Senate will request the FBI to conduct investigations of Trump’s nominees, as suggested by Frank Figliuzzi?

      “Biden should be neither ashamed nor afraid to thoroughly investigate Trump’s picks, given the signs that Trump may not. Through executive order, he should mandate that the FBI conduct background investigations on Trump’s picks and instruct the FBI to begin the process now. The U.S. Senate should use its power to request the same of the FBI.”

      https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/biden-trump-cabinet-picks-fbi-background-checks-rcna180698

      “How Biden can get the upper hand on Trump’s Cabinet picks” – Frank Figliuzzi, 11/18/24

      • DaveInTheUK says:

        “Murkowski has said she won’t vote to confirm anyone who hasn’t had an FBI background check.”

        And why should anyone believe her? She’ll fold quicker than Susan Collins forgetting why she was “concerned”.

        • Spencer Dawkins says:

          Anything “quicker than Susan Collins forgetting why she was concerned” is a physical impossibility.

  3. Thomas_H says:

    The two different approaches the Democrats could/should use during Bondi’s confirmation hearings are not mutually exclusive.

    • emptywheel says:

      They sort of are, bc to do this right, you need to coordinate the whole Dem part of the Committee, especially since they’ll have fewer seats and old cable standbys (like MSNBC) will be crashing.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Is there no Dem-friendly billionaire willing to buy MSNBC and a few other media, and put them into an endowed, Guardian newspaper-like trust?

  4. Wild Bill 99 says:

    Trump sees the less wealthy and powerful the same way he sees military wounded, dead and POWs: losers and suckers. His cronies and appointees don’t disagree, even if they spend any effort in such contemplation. And Musk is simply in the game to further his dreams of Mars. He will destroy Earth if that is what it takes to satisfy his dream. When Trump was first elected I predicted it would take at least 20 years to repair the damage. Get ready for a really rough ride (60 years? including global climate crises).

  5. thesmokies says:

    Brilliant idea. Not the promises, but the consequences. Press the administration, Congress, the media on describing, explaining, and justifying the consequences of past, present, and even future (planned) behavior and policies. This is one great way to do that.

  6. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Hard to imagine how small AG Pam Bondi’s Civil Rights Division’s budget would be, and how well-staffed with brand new graduates from Liberty U and George Mason Then, again, it might mushroom, given all the lawsuits she will aim at those who discriminate against wealthy white men.

  7. Sussex Trafalgar says:

    Good piece!

    Not only does Bondi offer a platform to expose the consequences of Trump’s past corruption, Trump himself, a failure at everything he does, including squandering his inheritance, also offers an excellent platform to expose his incompetence over the next four years.

    Democrats should make a concerted effort to give Trump plenty of rope to hang himself over the next four years by not helping to protect him from his own incompetence. Just let him fail.

    Yes, it will get worse; yes, it will get bad; the country and its Constitution, however, will survive.

    Trump won’t be able to control the military. And he won’t be able to control a majority of SCOTUS.

    And those voters who previously voted for Biden in 2020 and Clinton in 2016, but voted for Trump in 2024 because of a variety of reasons, including but not limited to, Harris being a woman and an African American woman, should be ignored by the Democratic Party so that they are forced to deal with the policy programs Trump campaigned on, including but not limited to, mass deportations, on their own.

    They need to feel pain for voting for Trump. Besides, they will vote for a Republican again in 2028 unless they feel the pain of Trump’s policies preceding the 2028 election.

    • Yankee in TX says:

      “the country and its Constitution, however, will survive.”

      I’m not sure if this is wildly optimistic or just the low bar to judge the success of the Trump administration. I’ll predict that we’ll have the largest experiment of Milgram’s theory of obedience to authority and confirmation of Arendt’s observation of the banality of evil. Confirmation of Lord Acton’s epigram on the corruptive effect of power is inevitable.

      • Sussex Trafalgar says:

        Yes to Arendt’s observation and yes to Lord Acton, but no to the rest.

        Trump will screw everything up trying to become a despot because he’s a screwup regardless of what he does.

        And there will be so much in-fighting in his administration it will make people’s heads spin.

        • Spencer Dawkins says:

          One of the defining characteristics of Hitler’s time in office was the constant knife fighting between (among others) Goering and Himmler, who (among other things) both ended up with their own armies, distinct from the actual German army.

          I expect this new Trump administration will be EXACTLY the same.

  8. greenbird says:

    minor correction needed here:
    “rather than the billionaires Trump chose to given direct control over the looting process”

    • Attygmgm says:

      Ms. Bondi: The 2016 election overseen by the Obama administration had no significant claims of fraud. The 2024 election overseen by the Biden administration had no significant claims of fraud. Only the 2020 election overseen by the Trump administration had significant claims of fraud. Yet no evidence of that supposed fraud has ever been shared with the public. The people hired to find it for the Trump campaign couldn’t find evidence to support its theories. Since the Trump administration will oversee another election in 2028, will you please detail for the committee and release to the public he specific evidence you saw — not a theory but evidence — that convinced you to argue that the election overseen by the Trump administration in 2020 was corrupted, so the country knows specifically what states and counties and precincts had fraud, exactly what the mechanism of the fraud was, and how to prevent it so the Trump administration can’t again claim in 2028 that an election was corrupted?

      • Stephen Calhoun says:

        Election denialism with respect to 2020 is a subject that has already evoked a ‘company line’ that provides a deflecting minor argument: loosening of election laws due to the pandemic allowed millions of voters to vote outside norms set by laws and legislatures. The argument is that such votes of legal voters were illegitimate.

        This is by far the most common response—Ted Cruz comes to mind—given by ‘thoughtful, legalistic,’ denialists. I predict it also will be Bondi’s go-to deflection.

        Plotting out confirmation hearing strategies has to take into account how pointed questions are likely to be
        deflected.

      • Matt Foley says:

        In my county’s 2024 general election there were 1 million attempts to hack the voting network, with 600,000 from Russia and Bulgaria. All attempts failed.

        If I were a deranged MAGA (sorry to be redundant) I would point to this and claim “Americans have concerns about election fraud that must be investigated to ensure election integrity.” And when that investigation found nothing I would spend the next 4 years insisting that I still have concerns about election integrity and that if you say otherwise you are trying to silence my free speech and you are obviously hiding something.

  9. e.a. foster says:

    The questions you’ve suggested are questions which ought to be asked. Get it on the record so when it goes sideways, people can refer to the various cabinet minister’s answers from their confirmation hearings.

    Whenever I’ve watched these types of sessions, many of the participants who ask the questions, make such long speeches before asking the question. Just ask the question. No one is interested in your “speech” except perhaps your parents. These confirmation hearings maybe the last opportunity to question these people and get a few things on the record.

  10. sandman8 says:

    Some suggested questions in this vein:

    Ms. Bondi, you stated that you would use the Department of Justice to prosecute the prosecutors. Does that include pursuit of prosecutors that solicit and accept money from the target or potential target of an investigation and then decline to investigate or prosecute that case, as you did in 2013 when you personally solicited a campaign donation from Donald Trump after your office had indicated it was investigating complaints about Trump University?

    To what extent did your 10+year history of loyalty to Donald Trump influence his decision to name you as attorney general? How will you convince judges that the United States of America is not selectively prosecuting Americans considering Trump’s campaign promises to use the department to prosecute his enemies and the appearance of corruption that tars your appointment to head that department?

    Ms. Bondi, as Attorney General, President Trump will be your boss. When he directs you to prosecute individuals for political purposes, as he has promised to do, will you appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the President for his corrupt use of power, will you resign, or will you advance his corrupt prosecutions, as your past loyalty would indicate?

    [After non-answers and likely attacks on the panelists] Ms. Bondi, given the comments you just made, are you stating that you would investigate the US Senate for doing its Constitutional duty? Assuming he is watching this hearing, how would you respond to President Trump if he directed you to do just that immediately after your confirmation?

    I doubt any of this would get a good answer, as appointees can simply state that they resent the implication, consider the questions to be political posturing and would follow the law in all circumstances. Then, they’ll forget their testimony and do whatever they want, just as Barr did.

  11. thesmokies says:

    What should the questioner do if Ms. Bondi responds to these type of questions with a “I don’t accept the premise of your question,” and then refuses to answer?

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      A lot of congresscritters are former lawyers and prosecutors. Dan Goldman, for one. A common tactic with a hostile witness is to ask similar but different questions several times, reinforcing your point, while embarrassing the witness. The point is to attack her credibility, not to elicit factual information.

    • Matt Foley says:

      “You’re a nasty person!” works for me..

      But it wouldn’t work to throw Trump’s words in her face; she’d just pretend to not get it or that in THIS case it’s inappropriate.

  12. tinaotinao says:

    Great points! Corruption already underway with past actions to back it up.

    [Moderator’s note: you slipped again and used “Tinao”and your username. I’ve fixed this again but I need you to address this. /~Rayne]

    • NerdyCanuck says:

      It is indeed already underway, it will be a lot of work to follow it… thankfully alternative media will at least try to do that, because the Billionaire Media clearly isn’t up to the task.

      Speaking of alternative media, there’s a great new article by David Dayen on TAP outlining a bunch of the links to corporate lobbyists in Trump’s cabinet picks and new administration… it’s a rich field to mine for the corruption-focused approach that Dr. Wheeler proscribes. A choice quote:

      “There are a lot of ways to group the men and (a few) women of Trump’s second term. Many of them, predictably, are authors of Project 2025, that blueprint for authoritarian governance. A number of them are right-wing television personalities, a by-product of the fact that the big boss is addicted to the boob tube. And yes, there’s a troubling tendency for cabinet hopefuls to be indirectly or directly associated with acts of sexual assault.

      But the most coherent common thread among Trump’s team of advisers and officials is that they’re a bunch of lobbyists, helping corporations collect fat subsidies or avoid regulations.”

      He then goes through many details about various people in the new administration, covering lots of past bad actions plus current lobbying ties. Lots of links for further research too!

      https://prospect.org/politics/2024-11-25-trump-at-the-lobbyist-trough/

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Making money is one purpose. Generating chaos and destroying govt’s ability to counter the dangerous extremes promoted by corporate and billionaire wealth are also aims of this Cabinet.

  13. tinaotinao says:

    Sorry Rayne, it’s been awhile since last commenting. Thank you, and have a calm and healing Thanksgiving to all!

    • Matt Foley says:

      Will Bunch is a voice of sanity.

      (It’s a lectern, not a podium. You stand behind a lectern. You stand on a podium.)

      • theartistvvv says:

        American Heritage Dictionary:

        2. A stand for holding the notes of a public speaker; a lectern.

        [watching the horrible Bears, I hope my need for grammatical distraction, etc., isn’t offensive]

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