Banging on a Gate: Pam Bondi Found a Cyber Investigator Who Doesn’t Check Phone Logs!

Less than three weeks ago, Pam Bondi’s DOJ got admonished by a Magistrate Judge for charging first, investigating latter.

When dismissing Ras Baraka’s charges on May 21, Magistrate Judge André Espinosa scolded the AUSA present — and by proxy, DOJ — for arresting Newark’s Mayor before doing basic investigation.

The hasty arrest of Newark Mayor Ras Baraka, followed swiftly by the dismissal of these trespassing charges a mere 13 days later, suggests a worrisome misstep by your Office. An arrest, particularly of a public figure, is not a preliminary investigative tool. It is a severe action, carrying significant reputational and personal consequences, and it should only be undertaken after a thorough, dispassionate evaluation of credible evidence.

It’s precisely that commitment to rigorous 19 investigation and thoughtful prosecution that has 20 characterized the distinguished history of your Office, Mr. Demanovich, particularly over the last two decades. The bench and the bar have witnessed in that period, the diligence and care demonstrated by prior U.S. attorneys in New Jersey, whose leadership has consistently upheld the highest standards of prosecutorial ethics and professionalism. Their legacy is one of careful deliberate action where charges were brought only after exhaustive evidence gathering and a thorough consideration of all facts That bedrock principle, consistently honored by your predecessors, is the foundation upon which the credibility and effectiveness of your Office rests.

So let this incident serve as an inflection point and a reminder to uphold your solemn oath to the people of this District and to your client, Justice itself, and ensure that every charge brought is the product of rigorous investigation and earned confidence in its merit mirroring the exemplary conduct that has long defined your Office.

The apparent rush in this case culminating today in the embarrassing retraction of charges suggests failure to adequately investigate to carefully gather facts and to thoughtfully consider the implications of your actions before wielding your immense power Your Office must operate with higher standard than that.

But just 18 days later, Pam Bondi’s DOJ charged another prominent Democrat — this time, SEIU CA President David Huerta — via complaint, without first doing basic investigation. The complaint, which was released before Huerta’s initial appearance yesterday, charges Huerta with one count of conspiring to impede an officer, a felony (h/t to Meghann Cuniff for releasing the complaint).

The incident occurred outside of this fast fashion factory, where officers were conducting a search.

As Bondi’s DOJ did with Ras Baraka (the charges that were dismissed) and LaMonica McIver (she has a hearing tomorrow), ICE team members physically grappled with their target, and then arrested them for the interaction. In this case, agents picked up Heurta and knocked him over, knocking his head into a curb and wrenching what he said was a bad shoulder in the process of cuffing him. He went to the hospital for treatment during his weekend detention.

There are two elements that have to be proven to convict Huerta of this felony: first, that the defendant used force, intimidation, or threats to induce a US official to stop doing his job. When this same charge was used against January 6 militias, prosecutors relied on actual assaults of cops, threats to spray them, military formation and kit, and threats to assassinate members of Congress. All of it threatened physical violence and even death.

The closest such threat to these guys was someone — no tie to Huerta is alleged — who told officers to shoot themselves.

As a crowd gathered outside of the vehicular gate, individuals in the crowd began screaming expletives at law enforcement officers through the gate in an attempt to intimidate them. For example, one individual yelled “I want you to kill yourself! Go home and drink a lot of vodka and shoot yourself with your own god damn revolver!”

As to Huerta specifically, the affiant of this complaint claimed that Huerta’s banging on the gate to the facility was an “attempt to intimidate us,” and pointed to Huerta’s repeated taunts about his mask and claimed that this was necessarily an attempt to dox and intimidate the officers “in the future.”

I told HUERTA that if he continued to block the gate, he would be arrested. HUERTA replied “I can’t hear you through your fucking mask.” Others in the crowd repeatedly asked me and other law enforcement officers to take our masks off and attempted to film our faces and badges in an apparent attempt to intimidate us. Based on my training and experience, I know that protestors often do this so that they can publish identifying information about law enforcement officers online.1 That way, others can harass or threaten the law enforcement officers in the future.

The affiant’s name is redacted in several places in the affidavit, but not in the section where he introduces his background. He doxed himself, while citing the imagined threat of doxing as the intimidation necessary to sustain these charges.

But it’s the conspiracy part of this that is particularly nutty. Prosecutors need to show that Huerta entered into an agreement with at least one other person to intimidate an ICE team to stop them from doing their job.

As a threshold matter, the complaint presents no evidence that Huerta or anyone else knew what the law enforcement officers were doing — executing a judicial search warrant rather than conducting a raid based on an administrative warrant. That may matter to proving intent.

More importantly, the affiant just points to person after person and says, well maybe that indicates a conspiracy.

A woman provided details of the law enforcement presence into her phone. Maybe that was a conspiracy.

Protestors who arrived at the site — video-taped by an undercover officer!! — were communicating with each other. Maybe that was a conspiracy.

Huerta was “apparently typing text into his digital device while present at the protest.” Maybe that was a conspiracy.

Huerta lives nine miles away from the garment factory, so had to have learned of ICE activity from someone “coordinating a protest at this location.” Maybe that was a conspiracy.

Someone — no tie to Huerta is alleged, and there’s no indication he was arrested — attempted to padlock the gate. Maybe that was a conspiracy.

Huerta said, “What are you going to do, you can’t arrest us all,” which the affiant presents as proof that “he and the others had planned in advance of arrival to disrupt the operation.” Maybe that was a conspiracy.

Nowhere does the affiant even allege that Huerta and the others entered into a conspiracy to intimidate the beleaguered ICE officers standing behind a 7-foot steel fence, which protestors didn’t try to breach when it opened, remaining all the time on a public sidewalk. Rather, he alleges a conspiracy to disrupt what the protesters might have thought was an ICE raid, meaning any attempt to provide proof of a conspiracy to impede officers by intimidating or threatening them is almost nonexistent. And he repeatedly calls this a protest, even while describing Huerta using the language of protests and pickets.

One of the nuttiest parts of this is that the affiant — the guy who cited the threat of doxing as proof of intimidation and then doxed himself — is a senior HSI Agent pulled off his normal duty conducting cyber financial investigations, the kind of thing that normally targets international crypto-facilitated crimes.

I am a Supervisory Special Agent (“SSA”) with the Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”) United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”), Homeland Security Investigations (“HSI”). I currently supervise the Cyber Financial investigations group at the HSI Los Angeles office.

The bread and butter of cyber investigations are digital tracks: cell phone, social media, and financial records.

The FBI collected reams and reams of such things before charging the aforementioned 18 USC 372 conspiracies against Jan6 militias. There were Signal and Telegram chats, Parler posts, saved communications from walkie-talkie chats during the riot, reported conversations from a number of cooperating witnesses, on top of the actual assaults of cops and weapons and direct threats.

And this guy, whose forté is to collect such things … hasn’t. He refers to Huerta’s digital device twice, but doesn’t say whether he tried to exploit it. He refers to social media posts (even while assuming the woman who first reported from the scene was using a videoconference app rather than just posting to TikTok or something), but he doesn’t cite a single post. He doesn’t even have phone records — available via subpoena even on a weekend — to identify with whom, if any, of the other protestors Huerta was really communicating.

Ryan Ribner, who wouldn’t have gotten where he was in his day job without highly developed skills at collecting and analyzing digital tracks, hasn’t (claimed to have) done any of that.

Another instance of charge first, investigate later.

There are several indications that may be the point.

First, there’s that undercover officer, who was filming the entire time but apparently didn’t produce a single video that could substantiate a conspiracy. This protest was miniscule. Why was there an undercover officer present at all? Did it have everything to do with Huerta’s presence (the undercover, as described, seemed focused on Huerta)?

Our trusty cyber expert also suggests that the van entering the gate of the facility — the predicate for making Huerta move and therefore the predicate to tackling him, injuring him, and then arresting him — may not, after all, be the only entrance. He describes that “as far as I was aware,” it was.

As far as I was aware, this gate was the only location through which vehicles could enter or exit the premises.

I wonder whether his awareness has changed over the weekend.

As this goes forward, it’s likely that our intrepid cyber investigator will actually subpoena some phone records, do the kind of thing he has been doing for over a decade. It’s likely he will then try to substantiate a conspiracy for which he has presented no more than speculation. Given his conflation of what he himself calls a protest and the intimidation and physical force contemplated in 18 USC 372, given the calls — including from Trump — to substantiate some organized background behind the larger protests in a city of 10 million, he may well imagine a conspiracy in SEIU’s organized protests.

Protests are what unions do, and SEIU is an enormously important union with close ties to the Democratic party. Will official and private communications among SEIU personnel planning protests look like plans for protests? Yes, of course. And DOJ will claim that banging on a gate is so intimidating to a bunch of armed law enforcement officers standing behind it that those plans for protests amount to a felony.

Pam Bondi’s DOJ first assaulted and injured, then charged, a very important labor leader with a conspiracy charge the evidence for which they didn’t even bother to look for.

Yet.

And that seems to be the point.

Update: The crack staff in Los Angeles’ US Attorney’s Office finally docketed the case. They asked for Huerta to be detained (which, I guess, is how they got a judge to impose a $50K bond)!

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    • Peterr says:

      There’s nothing amateur about this. Bondi et al. are professional seekers of power, not justice.

      Trying to neuter a labor union official.
      Trying to neuter a NJ mayor.
      Trying to neuter Democratic members of Congress and their staff members.

      The goal is not to seek justice, but to impose their will.

      This HSI official had his orders, and they weren’t to investigate anything. “Your job is to look forceful and manly. Your job is to make the protesters look weak and impotent. Screw the evidence – just project dominance.”

      They are not amateurs at this.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      As Peterr says, it’s not amateur hour, it’s an expression of “Because we can. Find a court that can stop us.”

      It’s a lot like Whiskey Pete’s decision [sic] to leave his occupying military force in L.A. for sixty days, an arbitrary period unrelated to peaceful or otherwise events on the ground. That’s another expression of “because we can.”

      • Molly Pitcher says:

        Rep Pete Aquilar questioned Hegseth this morning and got him to admit that it is going to cost us $134M to keep the troops in LA. His comptroller refused to say where in the DOD budget that money was coming from.

  1. Cheez Whiz says:

    Threats and intimidation very much seems to be the point. One thing keeps nagging at me, and that’s Miller’s insistence on meeting his insane “quota”. There’s no need to do that for propaganda purposes, other than to generate exactly the kind of news coverage they’re getting in LA. These people are happy to lie about everything. He either believes his own bullshit numbers or Trump is leaning on him to deliver based on those numbers. I like to say the core of MAGA is the desire to make reality conform to their desires, and meeting a quota that can’t be met “rationally” is a pure example of that.

  2. drhester says:

    It’s all performative. This administration is just riddled with incompetence and corruption. From the top to DOJ to DOD to HHS and beyond. I mean what kind of moron but a vaccine denier would fire all vaccine advisory personnel? Bondi and Hegseth appear to be just as incompetent. It boggles the mind.

    • st_croix_wis says:

      Yes, of course it’s all performative! That why so many of tRump’s minions were hired from FOX.

    • Wild Bill 99 says:

      Hegseth is incompetent. Bondi is conniving and self-serving, which in this case means doing what pleases Trump. Miller and Vought and even Vance are not incompetent. They are just in service to a vision that does not include, indeed cannot tolerate, American democracy.

  3. Thomas_H says:

    If I didn’t know better, it almost seems as if the DOJ and the White House are intentionally escalating an already tense situation, of their own making, looking to provoke a vigorous confrontation with the good citizens of urban blue areas? (snark)

    • Wild Bill 99 says:

      I’m thinking “first blood”, no matter whose or from which side, as an excuse to go full martial law and to hell with Posse Comitatus.

  4. Matt Foley says:

    If banging on a gate is a felony then what is breaking doors and windows and beating up hundreds of police on January 6? My non-MAGA brain is not evolved enough to understand this nuance.

  5. Opiwannn says:

    The number of times Ribner referred to Huerta telling everyone to “walk in a circle”, which is just picketing, struck me as odd. Is there a thing in right-wing lore where it’s ‘intimidating’ when people walk in a circle in front of a gate or door? Bizarre.

      • Troutwaxer says:

        Of course it’s intimidating. The idea that someone refuses to let MAGA have power of them is terrifying! What’s wrong with you? Don’t you understand that refusing Trump is like refusing God, only worse?

        /snark

    • zscoreUSA says:

      There’s a new movie that came out Friday, called Bring Her Back, where the plot revolves around a demon being summoned with rituals involving circles being drawn?

      • Benji-am-Groot says:

        Not sure about that new movie but I do recall there were two demons walking down the street and the shorter one mentioned to the taller demon “you know – I’m tired of being the lesser of two evils…”

        * showing myself out now *

        • zscoreUSA says:

          Lol I’m gonna steal that one.

          I made my comment in jest, but really, Satanic panics seem like they have been brought up frequently in recent years in regards to current politics.

    • Bugboy321 says:

      Telling everyone to “walk in a circle” just proves that it’s a conspiracy! I wish I was joking…

  6. GV-San-Ya says:

    1. Create chaos
    2. Declare an emergency
    3. Delay/suspend elections due to claimed “emergency”

    If the administration can’t complete the scheme above soon enough, the GOP will likely be trounced in the midterms, and the keg will run dry at the frat party.

  7. harpie says:

    Thank you for Judge Espinosa’s statement.

    The current Government of the United States
    does NOT deserve ANY Presumption of Regularity.

    [MARCY, if you meant to link to Meghann Cuniff for the h/t, I don’t think it’s there.]

    • emptywheel says:

      I linked to her DocCloud version. She hasn’t yet written it up. Will link that if/when she does.

  8. LaMissy! says:

    LA Magazine is reporting that ICE agents were aggressively questioning workers who serviced their rooms at the AC Hotel in Pasadena. Seems like a Stephen Milleresque move; bite the hand that feeds you.

    “We got alerts that ICE was staying in some of the hotels here in Pasadena,” said Jose Madera, director of the Pasadena Community Job Center. “Organizers and community members went around to verify, and we identified that in the AC Hotel, the Westin and in Hotel Dena, there were immigration agents. In the AC hotel, we got word from a staff member that the agents were staying here and questioning the workers–the workers that were cleaning their rooms, the workers that were making their food. They were questioning them and asking for their ID and in a very aggressive way. So that’s why our community organizers came here to say we don’t want ICE here. We brought elected officials and urged them to not let any ICE agents here.”

    The effects of the January Eaton Fire continue to reverberate in the community.

    https://lamag.com/news-and-politics/pasadena-protestors-picket-ice-raids-at-citys-ac-hotel

    • emptywheel says:

      Yes. And I was even wondering if this was an attempt to substantiate this conspiracy. SEIU represents SOME hotel worker (though UNITE does more of them).

  9. Anomalous Cowherd says:

    I thought these yahoos were the common – or cargo-cult – conservatives, but I now see my error. They are, in essence, mere cosplayers.

    At least the original cargo-cultists believed in the larger world and tried to propitiate its gods – hopelessly, helplessly mimicking what they saw of one end of the process without realizing the enormous infrastructure needed to make and transport goods over distances inconceivable to them.

    But now we’re ruled by cosplayers who seem to think that the entire world is a sci-fi/anime convention where they’re supposed to strut their stuff to deafening applause from an appreciative audience. But the audience is letting them down by not being appreciative enough. They really have no choice but to call up the army and the gestapo to teach them some manners.

  10. Matt Foley says:

    Mike Johnson says Newsom should be tarred and feathered.

    Feeling that MAGA BDE! I’m so aroused right now.

      • Raven Eye says:

        My feeling about that is kinda the same as when all the knuckleheads were adamant about waterboarding not being torture: If it’s such a great idea, he should try it on himself.

        • Wild Bill 99 says:

          I’ve a feeling Christ won’t claim him. Or many others so ready to profess their “faith”. I hope that some day Johnson and those many others come to a realization of how far astray of Jesus’ teachings they are.

  11. Doctor Biobrain says:

    Rightwingers spread news through a game of Hype Telephone, where they hear an outrageous news story and embellish it just slightly to make it juicier, unaware that it had already been embellished many times before and that the real story is nothing like what they heard. It’s something lefties can also fall victim to but it’s how all rightie news is spread. They need to embellish stories because reality rarely matches what they think it is.

    Now that’s how the Trump Admin is operating since they’re in a news bubble and are easily excited. So they hear a wildly embellished story that’s still ongoing, juice it up even more, then use that as a pretense to do the terrible things they’ve always wanted to do; ie, arrest and attack us. Then they tell the original participants to justify their abusive actions in an official document and those people strain to make the facts match what the Trump Admin imagined happened. That’s what happened when the mayor was arrested. The Trump DOJ jumped the gun and lost the race by disqualification.

    That’s what we’re seeing in this story too. I doubt this guy would have started from the idea that this was a criminal conspiracy. He was told from above to write it up that way by people who didn’t know what really happened because they rushed their response based on distorted information. Same with the LA protests. The Trump Admin believes the propaganda on Fox News and MAGA Twitter that these are the riots they need to justify military action and don’t realize they’re jumping the gun because they’re so eager to do it.

    Just because someone has a plan doesn’t make it a good plan. I see people correctly say that the Trump Admin is doing this as a power grab and that’s completely true. But as with everything Trump is doing, it’s a mistake because the necessary conditions aren’t there. They keep winning short-term victories because we never know where they’re going to strike and our court system is still stuck in the 19th century and thus slow. But it eventually backfires as they overplay every hand and they’re left blaming their enemies yet again due to their own incompetence.

  12. Memory hole says:

    Real law enforcement doesn’t wear masks. Police officers talk to, question and arrest people every day. Even violent criminals like rapists and tax cheats and hoarders of purloined national security documents. They do it without hiding their faces.
    Masks only give the wearer the feeling of anonymity to go over the line.

    • Troutwaxer says:

      If a law-enforcement officer doesn’t have sufficient pride in what they’re doing to show their face and badge they’re unworthy of their positions and should be fired immediately.

      • Peterr says:

        Take it one step further.

        Suppose you are a lower ranking grunt, and this masked guy comes up to you in camo, full of swagger, and gives you an order that seems borderline or not-so-borderline illegal. How do you know who is giving you this order or that they have the authority to give an order like this?

        You don’t, and anonymity becomes protection from any after-action accountability.

        JAG: Do you deny that this was you on the video, committing this violent act?
        Grunt: I was ordered to be at that location, and told to keep anyone from passing me, using whatever force was necessary.

        JAG: Ordered? Who gave you this order?
        Grunt. I’m not sure. This guy came up to me in military camo with a mask and gave the order. No name badge on his uniform, and he didn’t show me any ID.

        JAG: And you accepted this order?
        Grunt: Yes sir.

        JAG: Is it the usual practice of the US armed forces for soldiers to accept orders from an unknown person without any evidence of their authority?
        Grunt: Ummmm . . . When you put it like that . . . .

        The UCMJ has been replaced with a simple three word statement: Befehl ist Befehl.

        • ExRacerX says:

          So it’s okay for law enforcement to wear masks, but for protesters, masks are forbidden?

          hm.

        • Memory hole says:

          That great point is another dimension of the problem with masks on authorities.
          Who is giving the orders.

          That leads into one of the major weaknesses of human psychology, which is the strong tendency to follow orders from an alleged authority. Even when it is known the orders will cause harm to an innocent individual.

        • Twaspawarednot says:

          Trump has declared protestors are banned from wearing masks. What is the chance that the Waymo cars that were set fire were surveillance and photography to use for facial computer identification?

    • Memory hole says:

      And it looks like the masked, ICE costumed crimes are beginning. I heard Thom Hartmann talk about a few specific instances of people dressed as the ICEstapo committing crimes such as robbing shops that had hispanic employees.

  13. John Heine says:

    So, the point of this arrest could be to have Huerta’s subpoenaed device and digital course in prosecutorial hands? Every person contacted, linked, identified, or associated with his phone is in on the conspiracy and a target of investigation?

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  14. SteveBev says:

    I suspect most people have seen the video of Huerta being hurled to the ground. (here on bsky https://bsky.app/profile/fightforaunion.bsky.social/post/3lqxwdph6f22c)

    I have hunted for other videos from the scene.
    This one https://www.cbsnews.com/video/ice-raids-at-clothing-company-in-downtown-la/
    Shows an aerial view of the scene in the immediate aftermath of the shove on Huerta (it slots in with the other video which also shows a woman being removed from infront of a vehicle at the gate)
    It gives a good impression of how little disruption was taking place, how small the crowd is, and how virtually all were focused on filming on their phone cameras.
    That latter point maybe of some relevance to the claims being advanced against Huerta and his use of his phone.

    • SteveBev says:

      To further orient to the videos

      Photos on complaint p 10/12and p 11/12 are immediately before Huerta is shoved and immediately afterwards

      By a process of elimination Ryan Ribner is the officer without the cap, green sweatshirt under green tactical vest light grey trousers, white trainers, depicted p10. What happens as per video is not as he describes action in para 24.
      Huerta does not push the officer, and is not pushed to the ground. Ribner charges in and drives Huerta backwards with force into a woman behind him
      The kerb Huerta hits his head on is at least 2 body lengths from the front left of the vehicle so ~12 feet. Ribner roughs Huerta up on the ground and puts a head lock on him, even though Huerta has obviously hit his head.

      The last photo in the complaint gives away the photographer.

  15. Peterr says:

    I am waiting for ICE to invade the Hamptons, Carmel-by-the-Sea, and Mar-a-Lago, checking the citizenship of the landscaping crews, the housekeepers, and the cleaning crews.

    I am also waiting for a pony.

    • P J Evans says:

      Atherton, not Carmel. The billionaires have estates in Atherton – it’s close to their official jobs.

      • punaise says:

        Atherton is basically one big “gated” community of gazillionaires. Many of the service providers (landscape maintenance, housekeepers, construction workers, laborers) live a stone’s throw away in extremely modest accommodations Redwood City, East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park. The contrast is breathtaking.

        Oh, and let’s all build ADUs to avoid providing state-mandated housing!

        • P J Evans says:

          The other ones would be Hidden Hills, or Calabasas/Westlake Village, or Bradbury.
          Hidden Hills is gated and guarded, and “the help” have to use the back gate, off the 101 onramp. (I worked for a while at the nursery that was also off that onramp, and the morning traffic jam from “the help’ going through the guard check was large.)

        • punaise says:

          Small sample size from personal experience: professional service providers have to sign NDAs for these people/properties.

        • Peterr says:

          Agreed about Atherton and the others mentioned here. There are lots of communities in CA that are gated, but how many of them can pull off charging visitors for the privilege of merely driving through the gate?

          Carmel-by-the-Sea has what amounts to a cover charge just to drive through it and the associated golf courses on 17 Mile Drive. “It will cost you $X to drive through, but if you spend $Y in our restaurants, we’ll give it back to you.”

          Definitely cuts down on the hoi polloi wandering through and spoiling the task of extracting real money from those who want to golf at Pebble Beach et al.

        • punaise says:

          @Peterr – concur with the overall exclusionary sentiment but the 17 Mile Drive isn’t through the (tourist overrun) town itself. It winds mostly through residential areas and the golf/seascape frontage.

          There used to be a workaround: a local bank had a branch at Pebble Beach. By presenting one’s ATM card they had to grant access without charging. But the bank is long gone.

    • ChuckVoellinger327 says:

      At the risk of stating the obvious or reiterating something that’s already been discussed ad nauseum- any reports of fines/arrests of the employers? Not that I want that either but seem fair, no?

  16. Bob Roundhead says:

    The president is saying to troops in fort Bragg that protest will not be tolerated. They are renaming military bases after “confederate heroes “. There are no brown faces in the background. I hope I am wrong, because I live here in Los Angeles, but I fear that a protester will be killed. There are big demonstrations on Saturday. There are a lot of accelerationists out there. What do I do then? One of my children’s friends was over today. He was crying because he is afraid ICE will be at 5th grade graduation and take his grandma. When will my fellow citizens say enough. I am in despair.

    • P J Evans says:

      LAUSD police will be protecting the graduations, according to the school superintendent.

      • Bob Roundhead says:

        Think about what you just said. There were no police at graduation ceremonies today. What are they going to do if ICE comes to take grandma? Arrest federal officers? This is magical thinking.

        • Bob Roundhead says:

          My kids are not in LAUSD. They are in public school. There was no police presence today. I am sure that LAUSD is increasing police presence, but what does that matter? If ICE wants to come in, who can stop them? They are masked and armed. It is magical thinking to believe that local police have any power against ICE. They are arresting mayors and threatening congressmen and governors with arrest. Some school cop making $30 an hour has no power. Now we have national guard and active duty marines giving support. We are so far past a constitutional crisis right now. I have a go bag and plans ready for when they kill a protester. LA. Will fall into Marshall Law and the rest of the country will quickly fall into behind. This is a very real possibility.

    • Joe Orton says:

      I live in L A too. Easiest thing to do Bob is turn on your TV and tune into KCAL 5 or KTLA 9 or FOX 11; there you will see and hear your fellow citizens saying enough. IMO I can see a fear of ICE taking a friend or family member into custody but a protester being killed seems outside of today’s reality.

      Trump is President. There is only so much your fellow citizens can do while staying relatively safe and within the law.

      • Bob Roundhead says:

        Joe,
        I go to protests. I see and hear my fellow Angelenos all the time. They give me hope. Especially the kids. I am frightened of some hot head marine lighting up a crowd when national guardsmen asks for cover. Or some cop shoots someone in the head with a rubber bullet. They are on video targeting the press. I have no faith in congress, republicans in congress. I have no faith in the media which has neglected to cover anything but from a both sides point of view, or straight up right wing talking points. Trumpet realities and friends show no sign of facing reality. Newscasters are getting fired for stating objective truth like Steven miller is a hater. That was tame. He is a racist. My neighbors are frightened to leave the house, even with their passports. I keep fighting. Going to protests. Writing and calling congress people and senators. But the onslaught is unrelenting and it has only been 6 months. My fellow citizens need to show up in mass. We need a general strike. We need to divorce social media. If we ever gain power again, we must punish those who have done this. No one went to jail after Cambridge analytica. No one went to jail who was responsible for J6. I feel justified to be in despair.

      • Bob Roundhead says:

        I am not yelling. I am mocking you. Dr King described you perfectly, IMO, in his letter from jail in Birmingham. I live in an immigrant community. I am upset. If Dr Wheeler thinks I am out of line, well she can tell me herself and I will never comment here again.

        • Rayne says:

          Bob: You asked in your first comment beneath this post, “What do I do then?”

          Coming here and venting is not one of those things you should do. Venting here and arguing with other commenters is not constructive when you say you have neighbors’ children showing up at your door expressing their fear. GROW THE FUCK UP AND BE THERE FOR THEM. Children especially need to know that someone will be looking out for them.

          You ask that child and their family if they have a plan in case any one or more of their family members are grabbed by ICE or LAPD. Volunteer to help and be a contact or resource.

          You make sure they have legal documents in both English and Spanish assigning guardianship and custodianship to any minors, elderly, or disabled who are unable to care for themselves and rely on other adult family members.

          You make sure they have phone numbers to organizations that can help them in case of an emergency. You make sure they also know basics of information security.

          You develop a stockpile of resources and contacts to help in case adults can’t go to the store or get first aid.

          If you have time to be here dumping your stress, you aren’t taking care of the people you are so worried about. Get off line and go do something constructive about it. You should already have contacted your federal and state representatives and expressed your frustration about Trump’s bullshit immigration enforcement for starters.

          And do NOT for one moment think the rest of us don’t live in immigrant communities and don’t have the same concerns. Because of the hullabaloo generated by national media about Los Angeles to the exclusion of other states — Florida, Nebraska, Massachusetts, Texas for example — migrant workers aren’t getting the attention they need elsewhere. Don’t exacerbate that by complaining about your locale especially when you have done nothing to help your immigrant neighbors.

          If you need me to kick your ass off here to get you started I will do so.

          ADDER: Nope, you’re not going to come back here and lecture people when you’re the one struggling. You have zero idea what other people are doing to handle the ongoing crisis just because they don’t mirror your personal stress. If you’re back here to lecture, you’re not doing enough with your own time.

        • Rayne says:

          For folks like Bob Roundhead who think they are in a position to lecture others about the urgency of now:

          Half of my family is brown. I am worrying every goddamned day right now my 91-year-old father will be picked up and detained because he’s living while brown in Florida while he’s the primary care giver for my mom who has dementia. My siblings are also brown, don’t have Anglo names, and a couple of my niblings are brown minors; I am worried about them and making sure they are prepared to be grabbed IN SPITE OF THE FACT THEY’RE AMERICAN CITIZENS.

          Do not fucking lecture me about the crisis. Don’t lecture other commenters here, some of whom are also brown and/or have brown family members. We do not need you amplifying the fascists’ fearmongering and increasing our stress. Save your goddamned energy to do constructive work in your own community.

  17. Thequickbrownfox says:

    Can you be sure that the Guard or the marines won’t be used to open a path for ICE agents into the ceremonies?

    Are you confident they won’t be that brazen? I’m not, and it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

    And, when will the USD people be charged with interfering with federal officers? We’re in all-new territory now, and anything can happen. Confrontation is the name of the new game. It’s an ultimate power play and they are going all-in to crush any opposition. Can anyone stop them?

  18. Matt Foley says:

    Trump renamed our military bases after Confederate traitors like Robert E. Lee.

    My uncle fought in WWII. My grandfather was in WWI. Three of my great-grandfather’s brothers fought in the Civil War.

    Fuck Trump and his parade.

    • ExRacerX says:

      R.I.P.

      I was just listening to Surf’s Up a week or so back.

      What a creative mind Brian had. One of a kind.

  19. ernesto1581 says:

    re: SF Chronicle’s photos yesterday of Guard troops sleeping on their jackets, on the plate-steel floor of a loading dock in a LA federal building. DOD spokesperson responded, ““The soldiers you saw in the photo were resting as they were not currently on mission and due to the fluid security situation, it was deemed too dangerous for them to travel to better accommodations.” Ah, resting. Pining for the fjords.

    • P J Evans says:

      They would have been fine going to accommodations, if DOD had bothered to *make the arrangements* when they knew they were activating these people. Guard units aren’t looked on as enemies.

    • Peterr says:

      “It was deemed too dangerous for them to travel to better accommodations”

      I wonder what those dangers were . . .

      Sunburn?
      Too much good street food? (Beware of the taco trucks!)
      An overabundance of outdoor dance music?
      Bewildering varieties of local wine?
      Beach-goers showing an unseemly amount of bare skin?
      Rollerbladers? Skateboarders?
      Nearly silent electric vehicles that sneak up on you from behind?

      • wa_rickf says:

        “…Bewildering varieties of local wine…?”

        Local wine…Temecula? Surely you jest Peterr. Temecula is NOT mother of all award-winning grape growing applalations as Napa Valley is.

        “…Beach-goers showing an unseemly amount of bare skin?…”

        While growing-up in Redondo Beach (LA county) as I did, Redondo or similar beaches, are not Rio de Janeiro (Copacabana or Ipanema).

        • Matt___B says:

          Maybe not Temecula, but how about wines from Santa Ynez region northeast of Santa Barbara, hmm?

          Hey, today ICE is arresting fruit pickers in Oxnard with Blackhawk helicopters hovering over the strawberry fields looking for “criminal” farm workers.

      • wa_rickf says:

        @ Matt___B June 11, 2025 at 6:38 pm

        Fair to point out the Santa Ynez appellation – but still not Napa Valley. Not even nearby Russian River appellation to Napa compares to Napa.

        Those Blackhawks ought to hoover over the White House and pick up that 34-count felon. There they will find a REAL criminal.

  20. Twaspawarednot says:

    I see in today’s Seattle Times, columnist Noah Feldman claims agent Krazsnov calling out the National Guard will have “The effect to chill even peaceful protest…” I think it will inflame protests across the country. Trump will then escalate further. What effect could widespread conflict have on the current support the GOP lavishes on tfg?

    • Thequickbrownfox says:

      It’s in our blood. Americans are not keen on military troops ‘maintaining order’ and enforcing government decrees, and haven’t been since the 1770’s. It wasn’t just about “taxation without representation”, ya know?

  21. Thequickbrownfox says:

    And, it is now confirmed that CPB is flying Predator drones over the protests. You cannot hide from those, they have very high-res cameras and they record, and they can track every step you took, from home to demonstration and back. And then track everybody you interacted with. I have it on good authority that those cameras can tell if you shaved that morning, from 10,000 feet.

    You cannot run, you cannot hide. This is some sci-fi shit.

    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/predator-drones-flown-over-la-protests-unrest/3721265/

  22. allan_in_upstate says:

    ICE Raids Have Sent Latino Shoppers Into Hiding and Big Brands Are Hurting [WSJ]

    ” … Across America—and particularly in Southern states with large Hispanic populations—consumer goods companies, food and beverage makers, restaurants and retailers are taking a hit. Coca-Cola’s sales volume in North America fell 3% in the first quarter of the year, partly because of the pullback by Hispanic shoppers, company executives said.

    Colgate-Palmolive, Modelo brewer Constellation Brands and restaurant chains including Wingstop and El Pollo Loco over the past few months have told investors that a decrease in Hispanic spending is hurting their sales. …”

    (paywalled, but you get the drift)

    I think this is what economists call a natural experiment.

    https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/latino-shoppers-retail-sales-coke-7005b8ac

    • Matt___B says:

      Today I heard my first direct anecdotal account of the consequences of recent events. A friend of mine who lives in Manhattan Beach, which is in the South Bay region of L.A. County on the coast, a generally very affluent and white-majority area, has been informed by his gardener on the phone that for the time being, he will not be showing up for his every-Thursday gardening gig. He’s staying home and laying low until the ICE presence in L.A. County has diminished and he feels safer.

      • P J Evans says:

        I don’t know whether the gardeners will show up here tomorrow for their weekly job, either. We’re not in a targeted area (yet), and it isn’t affluent in this particular neighborhood – those are farther north and east. (We’re near the tracks and an industrial area is right across the street. In fact, there was a Fox TV studio across the street, and they leased space in the next block for “24”.)

      • bgThenNow says:

        A couple of weeks ago a friend’s sister said “it’s very quiet here” in a tony residential area where a lot of yard/landscape work happens. I guess this is happening in a lot of places.

  23. harpie says:

    I am really underwater with things today [OY!] …but want to put these two new items together:

    1] ProPublica: “Delay, Interfere, Undermine” https://www.propublica.org/article/bukele-trump-el-salvador-ms13-gang-vulcan-corruption-investigation T. Christian Miller and Sebastian Rotella
    June 12, 2025, 5 a.m. EDT

    Reporting Highlights:
    Investigation Impeded: Despite Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele’s crime fighter reputation, his top aides blocked extraditions of MS-13 leaders to the U.S., officials say.

    Money Laundering Inquiry: U.S. agents drew up a request to examine whether Bukele and senior officials had diverted USAID funds to help out MS-13 gang members.

    Salvadoran Allies Threatened: Law enforcement officials had to flee El Salvador after facing harassment and threats from the country’s government. […]

    2] https://bsky.app/profile/rparloff.bsky.social/post/3lrfwkb6e2c2m
    June 12, 2025 at 8:32 AM

    In motion for civil contempt & other sanctions against govt officials, including personal fines, Abrego Garcia’s attys shoot for the moon. Here they ask Judge Xinis to order AG Pam Bondi et al. to turn over her personal devices for in camera review. … /1 [Link]

    The motion relies on allegations of both a pattern of obstruction & specific responses inconsistent with both NYT reporting & the timing of Abrego Garcia’s indictment. [THREAD]

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