Pam Bondi Admits She Must Fire Kash Patel and Dan Bongino

Even before Trump was inaugurated, I had great fun boosting expectations that Trump would release the Jeffrey Epstein files.

I didn’t do so because I believed there would be a massive Epstein release (partly because some of the conspiracy theories about Jeffrey Epstein are not true and partly because what is true is that Trump is among the powerful men who are implicated). I didn’t do so because I believed any files would ever come out.

I did so because beliefs about Epstein are non-falsifiable. I did so because even if there were no damning materials tying Trump to Epstein, the President would still never be able to satisfy the expectations of his mob.

I did so because the promise (from Kash Patel, long before he was confirmed, and then from Pam Bondi) and expectation that Trump would release the files was an expectation that Trump’s supporters should expect to have fulfilled — after all he ordered DOJ to do just that, with the JFK, RFK, and MLK files.

But there’s no chance their expectations can ever been fulfilled. It was a way, I knew, where Trump was going to disappoint some of his most rabid fans.

Trump promised to release the secret files the continued secrecy of which have fueled decades of conspiracy theories, so why wouldn’t he release files about pedophilia, the legitimate concern that has fueled the Trump-supporting QAnoners?

I fueled such expectations on Xitter because if the demand to see the Epstein files ever took hold, Bondi would be stuck.

Then Bondi made things worse when she told Fox News that Epstein’s client file was on her desk for review. She made things worse when she orchestrated the re-release of the already-released files to a select group of right wing propagandists, all packaged up to look special, a spectacle that stoked divisions among MAGAts but also raised concerns that she was covering stuff up. She made things still worse when — responding to James Comer’s role in making things worse, when he claimed the Epstein files had been disappeared — she said there were tens of thousands of videos involving Epstein.

Kash Patel, who promised to release the files, and Dan Bongino, who begged his readers never to let go of this scandal? They fed the fever too with their years of spreading conspiracy theories about the Epstein files. And when FBI’s conspiracy theorists in chief tried to reverse course a month ago, it only further fueled suspicions.

Then Elon joined the fun, accusing Trump of being in the Epstein files as part of his tantrum against Trump (but then deleting that file). As someone who was also close to Ghislaine Maxwell, Elon might know!

Dan Goldman joined in, expressing, “grave concern about what appears to be a concerted effort by you to delay and even prevent the release of the Jeffrey Epstein Files,” and asking whether Trump’s identity was being redacted from any of the files. Robert Garcia and Stephen Lynch joined in, writing Pam Bondi a letter, asking Bondi to formally answer whether the Epstein files are being withheld — as Elon Musk alleged — because Trump is in them, and further asking (among other questions) whether Trump had a role in the delay of their release.

Bondi’s stonewalling, after both she and Kash promised everything would come quickly, was becoming the story.

So yesterday, DOJ and FBI released (or rather, made available to Axios without yet, apparently, releasing it via normal channels) a two-page unsigned notice (which may be on letterhead created for the purpose).

It included two main, credible conclusions:

  • Much of the material that FBI has depicts victims and any release of that material would retraumatize the victims.
  • FBI concluded (and Trump’s flunkies agree) that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. DOJ released two files (one unaltered, one enhanced, both with titles that do not even mention Epstein) showing that no one entered his cell the night he killed himself.

But there’s also a short, broader conclusion that is less sound.

This systematic review revealed no incriminating “client list.” There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. [my emphasis]

Emphasis on credible?

Of course there’s a client list; one version of it was already released. There are also the names or descriptions shared by victims of the men who abused them. And while there may be no evidence in the FBI files that Epstein did blackmail Trump or anyone else, he had blackmail material on them. There’s certainly credible reason to believe that information is one of the reasons he was allowed to persist so long; it was useful for other powerful people, possibly even spooks in one or another country. That FBI didn’t uncover evidence confirming that others were involved in trafficking young people is dramatically different from saying that there’s no damning information implicating Epstein’s Johns.

But let’s assume for the moment that these conclusions are impeccable (and as I said, the decision not to release videos showing victims and the conclusion about the suicide are sound), that means that the people who’ve been claiming to have inside knowledge who promised to release the files — starting with FBI Director Kash Patel and FBI Deputy Direct Dan Bongino — are braying conspiracy theorists who cannot be trusted in any position of authority.

If it’s true that all this was a conspiracy theory, Kash and Bongino must leave the FBI, because they’ve just confessed they will endorse any kind of conspiracy theory to spin up Trump’s rubes. Pam Bondi must call for their resignations immediately, and while she’s at it, she should leave herself, because her original stunt release created the very expectations that she’s now trying to squelch.

They all promised to fulfill conspiracy theories and are now claiming they were lying about their certainty there was some there there.

Honestly, they’d be doing themselves a favor by doing so. But that won’t happen, and because these conspiracy theories are non-falsifiable, this attempt to make the entire promised reveal go away will simply fuel further conspiracy theories. Indeed, it already is.

Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, and Pam Bondi have now confirmed they are raging conspiracy theorists. And yet even that will not be enough to tamp down further conspiracy theories.

Update: I’m laughing my ass off. Doocy quoted Pam Bondi’s claim from an old interview, stating she had the client list on her desk. Karoline Leavitt spun it, with Doocy making big faces.

In addition, Unusual Whale notes that the last minute of the day (these may be PT time), from 11:58:59 to 11:59:59, missing from the video. Oh, and it turns out it’s not even the right cell.

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  1. scroogemcduck says:

    If there isn’t a Dem on Joe Rogan in the next week saying that Donald Trump’s DOJ is covering up the Epstein pedophile ring, they still haven’t grasped the new rules of politics. Dems need to make this issue follow Trump like a bad stink and never go away, because it’s one of the few issues that might actually resonate with his base.

    • Rayne says:

      Okay, tell me how this works — any Democrat can contact Joe Rogan and demand a spot on his program to use as a platform?

      *eye roll*

      You’re still not getting how this works and therefore miss what realistic solutions look like.

      • scroogemcduck says:

        The right wingers are howling about it already and demanding that Bondi is fired. All Dems really have to do is join in and point the finger at Trump.

    • emptywheel says:

      People scoff at letters like the ones Goldman and Oversight wrote. But those are precisely the kinds of things that right wingers let drive coverage. It’s the left that ignores them all.

      Anyway, the ENTIRE POINT of this is that it doesn’t take an elected.

      • scroogemcduck says:

        I agree and I was being imprecise. Progressives, not necessarily Dems. Potential candidates seeking to make a name for themselves would be better than current electeds.

  2. NoCal Carlo says:

    Two edits:
    “are braying conspiracy theorists would ” — instead of would, is it “who”?
    “entire promised reveal will go away will” — one will too many.

    On the substance, I agree. Bondi and crew have talked themselves into a corner.

  3. Zinsky123 says:

    Trump was twice named as a co-defendant in civil suits alleging rape and other crimes in connection with sexual activities in Epstein’s Manhattan apartment: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/yes-donald-trump-was-accused-of-raping-a-13-year-old-but-this-lawsuit-has-little-chance-of-succeeding/
    Although these lawsuits were dropped after multiple death threats, these allegations never seem to have been properly investigated. I don’t know why they aren’t discussed more in the press.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      It’s like trying to whitewash a tar pit. It’s a fool’s errand because more tar will ooze out to spoil the artwork. However, as you’ve noted, the courtier press isn’t going to touch it because their C-suite execs are afraid of Convict-1 / Krasnov / TACO’s social media. So, they’re reporting about Hunter’s laptop (again) and another ‘Joe Biden is old’ piece is coming soon.

      Of course, pressers remain the window that shows how cognitively challenged Convict-1 / Krasnov / TACO is. I think those will stop by September because there will be no coherence at all by then.

  4. CitizenSane77 says:

    The cult loves scapegoating Bondi, Kash, and Bongino. And reporters love grilling these folks.

    But it’s like everyone forgot Epstein was prosecuted and died in 2019, when Trump was prez. Any evidence could’ve been released then.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      The parallels to the DC Madam case are eerie. Powerful clients? Check. Inconvenient documentation? Check. Key person in custody? Check. Official suicide? Check.

      I had no illusions that any Epstein file would see the light of day once Bondi, Patel and Bongino realized just how wrapped up Convict-1 / Krasnov / TACO is in this mess. Unfortunately for these gravediggers, the Ghislaine Maxwell trial evidence in public circulation makes it clear that the ‘no client list’ claim among others isn’t operative at all. How else did Epstein approve who visited his island?

      Time for shadow hearings, but will the NYT and the rest of the courtier press break away from Mamdani slagging (LGM has their latest excuse for running the story, and it’s a doozy) to report this stonewalling and alleged involvement by Convict-1 / Krasnov / TACO?

      • Dark Phoenix says:

        “We didn’t want to be scooped by independent journalist (snicker) Chris Rufo, so we printed an article based on evidence provided by a known white supremacist while trying to hide that!”

        Or have they come up with an even worse excuse?

        • Rugger_9 says:

          Nope, that’s the one. It makes the NYT look even more ridiculous in its claims to be the ‘paper of record’ and ‘all the news that’s fit to print’.

        • Rugger_9 says:

          The event may not be all that unusual, but the proof offered by the DoJ ‘review’ turned out to be phony, so that will only help the cynics among us.

      • BrrGrrDelux says:

        LGM? Last Glacial Maximum? Let’s Go Mets? Little Green Men?

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  5. Amateur Lawyer At Work says:

    Next time any of them are on Capital Hill, should Democrats spend any amount of time trying to connect their earlier statements to the present statements? While it seems likely they’ll lie about the earlier statements, all of them will lie about whatever hearing they are testifying in anyway. So why not rile up their cultists?

  6. cld_07JUL2025_1624h says:

    Releasing video of the wrong cell seems both ludicrous and damning. Is it even the same building? Does the cell have two doors, front and back? When she said she had the client list on her desk what list was she talking about? ‘Tens of thousands’ seems like a lot of videos even if they’re mostly of other people, and, even so, a lot of them won’t be about victims but witnesses and clients, why can’t those be released?

    Any other Congress would be having hearings tomorrow about it.

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  7. zscoreUSA says:

    When Bongino and Patel told Fox that Epstein didn’t kill himself, I found it odd that someone like Laura Loomer didn’t react, which is a departure from the rest of MAGA.

    Similarly, now, she isn’t reacting about a possible cover up of Epstein’s trafficking and client lists and “suicide” the way MAGA is.

    Loomer is going apeshit about Pam Bondi lying about the Epstein Files and demanding Bondi to resign. Just puzzling. Different from the rest of MAGA and influencers. Upset over Bondi’s ability to propaganda the Epstein Files, not anything potentially being covered up.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      I think Loomer is a Trumpkin first and MAGA next, and we are seeing what that distinction means. As noted in the discussion here, the wrong cell video is another attempt to flimflam the public. Bondi also had the ‘evidence release’ (discussed elsewhere here) so the pattern is well established as a policy.

      So will the NYT or Meet the Press or MSNBC address this or will it be left to John Oliver, Seth Meyers and Steven Colbert (et al) to do the reporting on this?

      • Wild Bill 99 says:

        Oliver, Myers and Colbert are the closest to real news reporting that we have. The MSM should cower in shame.

  8. Thequickbrownfox says:

    It isn’t just Epstein. The administration is frantically rewriting history about Russian involvement in the 2016 election. Politicizing the CIA is at least partly successful and the rewritten report is out.

    Secrets and Laws is covering it on X

    https://x.com/secretsandlaws/status/1942060715214311716

    “Ratcliffe and Ellis have also touted the fact that the report was written by ‘career’ CIA officers — the head of the Directorate of Analysis, normally a career official, is listed as the author.”

    “That may be the case. But if true, it shows that the leadership of that office has now chosen to be pawns in a partisan political debate. Given this, I’m not sure we can trust any future analysis coming out of that office.”

    Which he mentions on bsky

    ‪Secrets and Laws‬
    ‪@secretsandlaws.bsky.social‬
    · 10h
    “Over on the hellsite, I decided to engage with MAGA’s biggest trolls regarding the recently released CIA report that tried to call into question the 2016 Intelligence Community Assessment about Russia.

    Turns out those trolls are the Director and Deputy Director of the CIA. “

    • Wild Bill 99 says:

      Is there ever any doubt regarding credentials or motivation when it comes to Trump appointees? I think the damage to the credibility of the United States and its agencies may be some of the most damage done by this administration. Nothing they say can be taken as believable.

  9. earlofhuntingdon says:

    The video isn’t even of the right cell? LMAO.

    Is there a dispute that Epstein didn’t keep a “client list” or a “guest list?” Details are things that propaganda obscures or exaggerates to avoid the truth.

  10. Brad Cole says:

    Maybe this is why the braying mob, Thompson et al, have been calling to lower the age of consent, decriminalization in retrospect.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      In the narrow sense of a politicized DoJ being hypocritical, IIRC the only church penalized like this was an Episcopalian parish in Pasadena (or thereabout) which made a passing comment, not a direct reference to the election at hand. It was part of the more liberal wing of the Anglican Communion.

  11. OldTulsaDude says:

    The modern 24 hour news cycle conforms to the demands of the audience for instant gratification.
    Trump knows that all he has to do is deny, delay and distract: Tariff, anyone?

    • Matt Foley says:

      House in my area just sold for $610,000, up from $370,000 in 2015.

      But eggs are down 400%, says Trump.

      • P J Evans says:

        I don’t know where The Felon Guy is getting those price numbers, because none of them are from this universe.

        • wa_rickf says:

          To be fair, Trump is was only a C-student at Wharton. It’s not like he’s a stellar thinker or top-of-the-class material. There is a reason why Trump doesn’t understand that tariffs are a consumer tax – the guy is simply not very bright.

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to wa_rickf
          July 8, 2025 at 2:52 pm

          He doesn’t care if it’s a consumer tax. That’s the part many folks don’t grasp.

          Tariffs are a cudgel he wields in a shake down. Countries that don’t figure out how to play this find themselves on the wrong end of the stick. It’d be nice if a few of them organized and shared what happened on their end of the shake down — did they get pointedly asked to make a buy of Trumpcoin? some other remuneration like an aircraft? Document it and then stake it out in the sun so we can see why we’re forced to pay more for imported goods until Team Trump got some vigorish.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          re-bloopie2 July 8, 2025 12:57 pm
          No, it means the store is paying you to take them off their refrigerator shelves.

        • wa_rickf says:

          @ Rayne July 8, 2025 at 3:40 pm

          I hadn’t considered that Trump is operating in a shakedown-like manner with other countries. Yes, I often hear him compared to a mob guy, but mob guys are smart. My view is that Donald Trump simply is not a smart man who does have very dumb luck.

          Yes i know that Trump’s protege was Roy Cohen who was a very smart man, evil man. But, I just don’t see it in Trump.

          I agree that it would be good for countries to publicly announce the deal that Trump gave them, warts (airplane asks, Trumpcoin investment) and all. They probably won’t given it’s not polite to discuss those kinds of things in public.

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to wa_rickf
          July 8, 2025 at 5:08 pm

          Interesting argument after all we’ve been through because of Trump’s quid pro quo to Zelenskyy.

          Quid pro quos are reflexive for Trump.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          re-wa_rickf July 8, 2025 5:08 pm
          Trump is always operating in a shakedown-like manner. Even to hide his grades when running in 2016, he had Cohen (Jewish, note that you had Cohen when it should have been Cohn, not Jewish) send letters threatening schools he went to.
          Also in general, criminals are the dumbest people on the planet; note that for the most part they are apprehended and unless wealthy or pardoned, serve time and have to return their booty.

        • Matt___B says:

          Re: xyxyxyxy 7/8/25 @ 4:50

          The spelling correction is in order (Cohn, not Cohen) but your follow-on assumption is not correct. From Wikipedia:

          Born to an affluent Jewish family in the Bronx, New York City, Cohn was the only child of Dora (née Marcus) and Justice Albert C. Cohn

          That same year, Cohn also became a board member of the American Jewish League Against Communism

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          re-Matt___B July 8, 2025 5:58 pm
          My error on Cohn and him being Jewish. But “The truth was he hated what he was—a lawyer who hated lawyers, a Jewish person who hated Jewish people, and a gay person, fiercely closeted if haphazardly hidden, who hated gay people, calling them “fags” and expressing his conviction that “homosexual teachers are a grave threat to our children,” according to both his biography and autobiography.” https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144/

          ““I very early in my life broke with tradition and left my Jewish upper-class-oriented life in New York and became a contradiction of everything I was supposed to stand for,” Cohn told Ken Auletta in a recording featured in the film….“He was the definition of a self-hating Jew,” Cohn’s cousin Dave Marcus says in the film. “He wanted to show the world that he wasn’t Jewish.”…Cohn learned something of Hoover’s brand of red-baiting, and soon the FBI director introduced the young lawyer to McCarthy, with whom Cohn had a chance to hound more Communists — many of them Jews — and gays. He was the voice in the senator’s ear as the witch trials mounted….“When I first saw Stephen Miller’s face, immediately I thought, ‘Oh my God, Trump sees the young Roy Cohn. Seeing that face, it’s a comfort zone for him.’””
          https://forward.com/culture/431851/how-roy-cohns-shame-made-him-and-trump-shameless/

        • P J Evans says:

          wa_rickf
          “Yes i know that Trump’s protege was Roy Cohen who was a very smart man, evil man. But, I just don’t see it in Trump.”
          Wrong way around. The Felon Guy was Cohen’s protege.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Reply to xyxyxyxy @ 5.50 pm

          The credulity in your last paragraph is exceptional. Bad guys often get away with it, and keep their booty.

        • wa_rickf says:

          @Rayne July 8, 2025 at 10:06 pm

          I consider a quid pro quo to be where both sides “get something” of value to them; whereas, a shakedown is when only one side benefits: the shaker.

  12. Error Prone says:

    Who bankrolled Epstein is left hanging too (like Epstein). The presumption of those not buying into the official story is that whoever banked him snuffed him, either with actions or approval of those presumed to be blackmailed. The money, the townhouse, the Island, the Lolita Express. And while the “no list” story runs around again the IRS is up to mischief having an uneven reach.

  13. Bohemienne says:

    I’m so baffled by the “wrong cell” / “missing footage” mess. Why post a video with an obvious gaping hole in its continuity if you’re trying to quiet cries of conspiracy? Which one is the correct cell? Because the still photograph with the “crime scene” tape over it could not look less official if it tried. The tape doesn’t extend to the doorframe, there’s no seal on the door, any of the things you’d expect from an actual crime scene. It’s Home Room Door Halloween Decoration levels of juvenile.

    My investment in the whole Epstein saga, once it became apparent his victims were never going to see real justice, only extends to the grim schadenfreude around MAGA delusionals tying themselves into increasingly impossible knots denying the patently obvious truth that Convict-1 was a client. But even I can see how badly this reeks and how much worse of a mess they’re making than they already did. I would be curious to know, though, at what point Kash and Dan (and Pam?) had to cross over from “this is a topic that excites the MAGA base and keeps them rooting for Convict-1” to “the only outcome of keeping this topic alive is exposing Convict-1’s involvement”. It seems like an awfully stupid thread to keep following if they knew from the start that’s where it was going to end up (and it always was).

    • wa_rickf says:

      ^^^ this!

      re: The Base

      They simply don’t care that he is a perv, deginerate, a felon, a p-grabber, a grifter, and con artist. Or that he lies, makes things up out of whole cloth. Why? Because he gives the people he doesn’t like, the same people his base doesn’t like, heartburn.

      These people are not emotionally well. They just are not.

  14. Doctor Biobrain says:

    The Epstein conspiracy made no sense. He got arrested by the Trump Admin. Why would that be if he had blackmail material? If they wanted him dead he was much easier to kill on the outside. If they feared him, arresting him was the worst option. And why didn’t Biden release any of the Trump stuff? And why would the Trump Admin have promised to release stuff if they knew it incriminated Trump?

    The truth is less interesting: He got away with it for years because he was a charming rich dude with powerful friends, not because he had secret blackmail. And he wasn’t a pimp and didn’t run a brothel. He was just a perv who liked teenage girls because they’re easy to manipulate; which was considered acceptable until the 90’s. And he shared the girls to impress his friends like Prince Andrew but there’s no evidence all his friends were having sex or that he charged money or blackmailed people.

    When Bondi talked about having the files she was referring to the old stuff without realizing it had already been released. As with everyone who works for Trump this term she’s a dummy who overstates everything with confidence then gaslights when she’s caught. But if she knew she was lying that makes her even dumber because it got huge publicity but would certainly backfire once people looked at it.

    This is all a Q conspiracy going back to Pizzagate where they thought Democrats were abusing little kids because they saw the words “cheese pizza” in Podesta’s email which is code for Child Pornography in certain creepy parts of the internet. Why? Because they were desperately searching through boring emails and their pervy minds invented a scandal.

    That’s what they’re expecting to see, not Bill Clinton with a teenage girl but a global pedo ring that enslaved and murdered countless children involving all the famous people they hate. Most of these people couldn’t care less about Epstein or Trump getting with teenage girls because they don’t understand consent and think it’s ok for older guys to manipulate young women. Just ask the defenders of Matt Gaetz.

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      Somehow the way you put “who liked teenage girls” sounds so fatherly that it’s sickening.
      And this bruhaha after just a day or two after the Combs case blew up in the prosecution’s face. It’s incredible how the prosecution presented a RICO case using sex-domestic abuse evidence while the defense kept hammering at the jury that despite all the evidence, it was not a sex-domestic abuse case; it’s a RICO case and the prosecution is barking up the wrong tree.

    • P J Evans says:

      When it’s guys like Dersh and Andrew what’s-his-name who got jailed in Romania…the kind of guy that incels look up to.

      • Doctor Biobrain says:

        Exactly. We’re talking about people who defend Andrew Tate, who has bragged on video of doing worse things to girls than Epstein was seriously accused of. They don’t care about protecting teenage girls from creepy older guys because they don’t understand consent and blame the parents and the victim if any woman gets with an abusive creep. They think this is about Democrats/Deep State/Jews abusing little kids.

        As for Dersch, I believe he said all he got was a massage. I have no reason to doubt him. I think it’s creepy enough to get a massage from a young girl at a friend’s house. Just like how I don’t think Trump had sex with the girls; it’s creepy enough that he was good friends with someone he knew was into young girls.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          In the context of Jeffrey Epstein, there’s good reason to doubt things most men mentioned in his little black books say, Alan Dershowitz among them.

        • P J Evans says:

          I don’t believe Dersh. I think Tate is a criminal who *should* be behind bars. And while some of those in those address books are probably innocent of anything bad, a lot of them were hanging out with Epstein because they enjoyed the experience.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Your description of Jeffrey Epstein is considerably more exonerating than mine. It’s almost as if you were a lodge brother pooh-poohing a few indiscretions at the annual gala. The scale of Epstein’s persistent behavior and his ability to bend prosecutors to his interests suggests otherwise.

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