Trump Might Pardon the Sex Trafficker Who “Stole” His Spa Girls and Other Details of the Cover-Up
Much of the traditional press (though not Chris Hayes) has missed the significance of Trump’s confession yesterday that Virginia Giuffre — recruited from Trump’s spa when she was 16 or 17 — was one of the girls that he says Jeffrey Epstein “stole.”
Reporter 1: I’m just curious. Were some of the workers that were taken from you — were some of them young women?
Trump: Were some of them?
Reporter 1: Were some of them young women?
Trump: Well, I don’t wanna say, but everyone knows the people that were taken. It was, the concept of taking people that work for me is bad. But that story’s been pretty well out there. And the answer is, yes, they were.
[inaudible]
Trump: In the spa. People that work in the spa. I have a great spa, one of the best spas in the world at Mar-a-Lago. And people were taken out of the spa. Hired. By him. In other words, gone. And um, other people would come and complain. This guy is taking people from the spa. I didn’t know that. And then when I heard about it I told him, I said, listen, we don’t want you taking our people, whether they were spa or not spa. I don’t want him taking people. And he was fine and then not too long after that he did it again and I said Out of here.
Reporter 2: Mr. President, did one of those stolen persons, did that include Virginia Giuffre?
Trump: Uh, I don’t know. I think she worked at the spa. I think so. I think that was one of the people, yeah. He stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us, as you know. None whatsoever.
Many, for example are forgetting what Trump said the day before: Epstein “stole” one of Trump’s girls, Trump told him to stop, and Epstein did it again.
What caused the breach with him? Very easy to explain. But I don’t want to waste your time by explaining it. But for years I wouldn’t talk to Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn’t talk. Because he did something that was inappropriate. He hired help. And I said, don’t ever do that again. He stole people that worked for me. I said, don’t ever do that again. He did it again. And I threw him out of the place. Persona non grata. I threw him out. And that was it.
To tell Epstein to stop doing something, Trump would have had to have known he was doing something.
And the “it” is made much more clear by what “the Mar-a-Lago” told Page Six in 2007, even before Epstein had signed the sweetheart non-prosecution agreement.
Meanwhile, the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told us. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.” Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.
Before the full extent of Epstein’s abuse was public, someone at Mar-a-Lago wanted to make it clear that when Epstein did “procure girls … he tried to get her to do things.”
This member’s daughter who was “about 18,” was at least the second girl Trump learned about.
The first (or who knows? maybe she wasn’t the first!) was Giuffre.
The second (at least) was the member’s daughter.
Having now confirmed that Giuffre was among the “girls” Epstein would try to “procure” from Trump’s spa, it makes both Trump’s public acknowledgement to New York Magazine (two years after Ghislaine Maxwell “stole” Giuffre) that Epstein liked his so-called women “on the younger side” and the smutty letter sent a few months later reflected knowledge that Epstein was fucking girls.
“Voice Over: There must be more to life than having everything,” the note began.
Donald: Yes, there is, but I won’t tell you what it is.
Jeffrey: Nor will I, since I also know what it is.
Donald: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey: Yes, we do, come to think of it.
Donald: Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?
Jeffrey: As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you.
Donald: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.
Not just any girls, but his girls. Trump’s girls, from his spa.
And Trump is so furious that Ghislaine Maxwell stole girls from his spa that he’s saying the same thing about a pardon for her that he said about pardons for Paul Manafort and Roger Stone before he rewarded for their lies about him, that he won’t rule it out.
By all appearances, Trump will pardon the woman who stole his girls. That’s how furious he is that she groomed at least two of his girls and tried — successfully in Giuffre’s case — to turn her into a sex slave.
Meanwhile, now that Trump has placated much of the press, the cover-up continues apace. In a letter David Markus sent to James Comer (but not Oversight Ranking Member Robert Garcia — Markus was leaving nothing to chance) he said that Ghislaine would only testify to the House Oversight Committee if she:
- Got formal immunity
- Got the questions in advance
- After she tests her luck with SCOTUS (in which case she won’t need to spill secrets to get out of prison)
- If she gets clemency for the things she’ll say
In other words, she’ll only testify if that’s the only way she can leverage what she knows.
Comer immediately declined, meaning Trump faces no risk that Ghislaine’s silence will disrupt the cover-up.
Meanwhile, Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, and Jay Clayton (but not even the AUSA who filed an appearance) have confessed that they are engaged in a headfake. Their response to Richard Berman and Paul Engelmeyer falsely claims that the interest in these transcripts arose from the memo Pam Bondi released and not the inflammatory comments and promises Bondi, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino made.
Attention given to the Epstein and Maxwell cases has recently intensified in the wake of the July 6, 2025 Memorandum announcing the conclusions of the Government’s review into the investigation
They minimize the concerns about victim testimony because just two people testified.
Here, there was one witness—an FBI agent—during the Epstein grand jury proceedings. There were two witnesses—the same FBI agent from the Epstein grand jury proceedings and a detective with the NYPD who was a Task Force Officer with the FBI’s Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force—during the Maxwell grand jury proceedings.
Both witnesses are still alive; the FBI agent continues to be an agent with the FBI, and the Detective continues to be a Detective with the NYPD as well as a Task Force Officer.
Consistent with applicable rules concerning the admissibility of hearsay testimony, the grand jury witnesses described statements of others, including statements of and concerning victims, many of whom are still alive.
They admit they’ll redact the names of the third parties who enabled Epstein (which they wouldn’t necessarily have to do if they released the files in their custody).
[T]he grand jury transcripts contain victim-related and other personal identifying information related to third parties who neither have been charged or alleged to be involved in the crimes with which Epstein and Maxwell were charged, to which the Government is sensitive, and which is why the Government proposes redacting the transcripts before releasing them.
But they are providing notice to those people.
In addition, the Government is in the process of providing notice to any other individuals identified in the transcripts.
They appear to suggest that they’re not providing all the grand jury transcripts to the judges — just the underlying material.
The Court directed the Government to submit: (1) indices of Epstein and Maxwell grand jury materials, including a brief summary, the number of pages, and dates; (2) a complete set of the Epstein and Maxwell grand jury transcripts; (3) a complete proposed redacted set of the Epstein and Maxwell grand jury transcripts; and (4) a description of any other Epstein and Maxwell grand jury materials, including, but not limited to, exhibits. (Epstein Dkt. 63 at 3; Maxwell Dkt. 789 at 3). As to the final category, the Government provides a description of all of the underlying materials presented to the grand jury as well as copies of, and proposed redactions to, certain materials presented to the grand jury. [my emphasis]
They definitely don’t answer a question both judges asked: whether DOJ had asked the victims before filing this response.
The Court also directed the Government to state whether, “before filing the instant motion, counsel for the Government reviewed the Maxwell grand jury transcripts and whether the Government provided notice to the victims of the motion to unseal,”
[snip]
In addition, the Government has now provided notice to all but one of the victims who are referenced in the grand jury transcripts at issue in this motion. The Government has attempted to contact the remaining victim, but such efforts have been unsuccessful. In addition, the Government is in the process of providing notice to any other individuals identified in the transcripts.
Having not done that (and not yet spoken to one of the victims), they ask for a chance to respond to the victims’ comments about this ploy — which they should have asked about before they started it — after they file sealed responses.
[T]he Government also respectfully requests leave to file a supplemental submission once the Government and the Court have received any filings from the victims or others referenced in the transcripts.
The only thing this exercise is “transparency” has done so far is to share grand jury information with people implicated, but not charged, in Epstein’s actions.
Note, one person specifically implicated in Epstein’s crimes is Prince Andrew. To the extent he was investigated and possibly even charged under seal — which is the most obvious explanation for why he wouldn’t travel — the DOJ letter would create the appearance of a clean bill of health. But it could be buried in a different grand jury and we’d never even know.
Update: This is a very good CNN piece, including a long focus on how hard this is on the victims.
I’m curious, how does this all intersect with Maxwell’s meeting with Todd Blanche? In other words, is it true that Maxwell is providing information on “100 names” or is she withholding that info until being granted clemency (similar to her demands before any testimony to the oversight committee)?
You rule, Marcy.
Re: Maxwell is providing information on “100 names”
Why did she sit in prison for a decade, waiting for this, or, why didn’t she cut a deal a decade ago and use her leverage then, to escape sitting in prison for a decade?
If she had access to evidence early on, it’s totally stupid to assume she had the foresight to withhold said evidence, because she envisioned being pardoned by Trump —- the reality is, she’s now in a position to lie about virtually anything, and say whatever, to be pardoned.
It’s the dumbest outcome and probably a solution maga will believe.
Because the DOJ of previous administrations didn’t view her as credible. She was charged with perjury. Now though, Trump’s own lawyer won’t care if she lies if the lies are favorable for Trump.
Trump’s emphasis that he didn’t go “to the island,” seems calculated to imply that Epstein’s (and his guests’) misconduct was limited to being in the Virgin Islands, when it also occurred in his Florida home. Which Trump visited many times.
Michael Wolff, who interviewed Epstein at some length, has described three photos of Trump and young girls Epstein showed him, the young girls all topless. Trump knows what he has done, although he may still not know fully the content of the files the FBI seized. Some art like that would register, even though some of MAGA has begun to make the “times were different then” argument: that raping 14 year olds is what Trump and others did “back then.” As if it hasn’t always been criminal conduct in every state.
Had he never promised to release the materials he’d weather the stonewalling. Having promised transparency, and having installed into positions of authority those who also promised it, might change the calculus of how this ages. As might disclosing those who financed Epstein. That the man viewed as the opponent of the deep state child sex ring cabal is now acting to keep covered up that cabal is his essential contradiction. Whether a new hypocrisy has legs or not we shall see.
Epstein’s island, of course, is only one place he committed sex crimes with and for apparently lots of powerful, wealthy people. So, Trump not accepting the “privilege” of traveling on Epstein’s plane to get there is not exculpatory.
I also think the claim may have come from Roger Stone. And of course his claim Clinton went there is disinformation.
I need to check what Roger’s role really is, bc Roger spent a big part of his focus in 2016 to supplant Trump’s sex abuse problem with Bill’s.
It would be useful to discover whether Roger Stone was part of Epstein’s circle jerk, given that Stone has been a “swinger” for decades.
I can’t understand this from Markus’ perspective. Obviously, he wants to trade testimony for his client’s pardon. But this can’t be done as a spot transaction. The pardon will have to follow the testimony, by some decent time. That’s how the Manafort deal seemed to work–Manafort stopped cooperating, and the pardon was forthcoming near the end of Trump’s first term. But surely Markus realizes that Trump is unlikely to hold up his end of a Maxwell bargain, unless Trump can surrender a hostage for the deal. Maxwell isn’t Manafort, and her pardon is likely to raise a huge stink from the base. But what kind of hostage could Trump surrender?
Markus is vey good pals with Blanche and Dershowitz, among others. It could be as simple as that point, where DOM is doing a solid for his pals.
IIRC, Alina Habba in her time was busted for ‘facilitating’ a settlement for a sexual harassment victim at Bedminster without revealing her true client (Convict-1) and got a very significant fine for doing it. I mention this because it appear that is routine SOP for TrumpOrg attorneys.
Well, there’s why Bove ended up judge for Bedminster stuff — continued cover up of more sex-related abuses.
And the Senate GOP caucus enabled this.
All what you have written, and more: Why the utterances on Giuffre in the last 48 hours, right after the Blanche interviews? Why is he making it into an employment matter? Maxwell probably laid out much (but not all) of what she has on Trump. Focussing on Giuffre. Trump is running ahead now, trying to frame it as an employment matter to protect himself from the inevitable widespread understanding that it was a child sex slavery matter in which he is involved.
This is just a skirmish. Maxwell’s objective: She must 1) be released from prison as soon as possible and allowed to escape to a place where she can live securely. But also 2) Trump must be brought down. 1) must happen before 2) obviously but there must not be too much time between them. This is because her life is in danger 1) as long as she is in prison and 2) as long as Trump wields power. He will hunt her down. This is her only chance. We have to assume that she believes Epstein was killed. So her job now is to scare Trump enough to obtain 1) without blowing all her ammunition which she needs for 2). She has to make him believe that he knows everything now from the 10 Blanche hours, so his pardon will do the trick and free him from her blackmail. Only it won’t. She cannot risk that. My guess is she has enough for 1) and for 2).
^^^^
Wild conjecture and pie-in-the-sky dreams.
Max, he may sound to you like he’s trying to turn this into an “employment matter” but to me he sounds like one pimp is mad at another one for stealing “his girls”. Trump sees these school aged girls as his property at Mar-Lago or his beauty pageants. They are objects to be bought.
Consider also that pimps often make “his girls” call him Daddy, they aren’t allowed to have any money, they have to get everything from him. They didn’t even see it as a means of control even as they would complain about it.
One of the interesting things I learned during one of my arrests at Occupy was that along with other pimp 101 information.
As a survivor I thought after Trump it couldn’t get worse, then came Hegseth and it was working again not to be triggered, and the red t shirt with Trump on it and again I went through the whole process again and thought “OK, you’re just gonna have to practice radical acceptance while resisting.”
And now, This.
I fear these people with an existential dread. And I fear even more when our culture not only tacitly supports sexual predators by voting for Trump, but Trump is trying to groom all of us to accept the sexual slavery of school girls.
I’ve been hanging in there, haven’t dropped out or tuned it out, but my God, how much more before a part of our humanity falls off.
And thank you Dr. Wheeler for pointing out the language Trump uses. I know your background and I know you can spot those nuances which is super important when talking about child rape and the sexual exploitation of women by extremely wealthy men.
“Trump is running ahead now, trying to frame it as an employment matter to protect himself from the inevitable widespread understanding that it was a child sex slavery matter in which he is involved. ”
I totally agree! He is spinning a narrative to distract and to obfuscate something that actually, in reality happened. It’s a ploy to, “I have the information, you don’t… ”
This stuff is gut wrenching to watch.
But where does Bigfoot come into all this?
That Page Six article now reads as ridiculously credulous about Epstein, starting with the headline, “Sex Case ‘Victims’ Lining Up” — scare quotes and all — and the first sentence that says Epstein has “agreed to plead guilty to soliciting underage hookers” but even that is only to set up Epstein’s expectation of “a possible pile up of messy civil actions”. And much of it is sourced to someone spinning in Epstein’s favor.
I see elsewhere that Sarah Kellen, described in that story as “Epstein’s assistant” who “helped arrange the massages,” has been mentioned in a number of stories about Epstein and Maxwell over the past five years. Maxwell herself was not mentioned.
There is no such thing as underaged hookers. Full stop.
I want to vomit now.
It makes more sense if you read those anon quotes AS IF they came from Dershowitz.
Those smears of the victims was a big part of how this sweetheart deal was supposed to work: to claim they couldn’t be trusted as witnesses, so you had to enter a plea.
Convicted Felon vs Convicted Felon
With crooked lawyers vs crooked lawyers.
These are the Bent Years.
I wonder if Prince Andrew would pardon their favorite sex trafficker if she stole one of his teddy bears:
Prince Andrew Is Very Particular About His Stuffed Animals and Teddy Bears – Emily Burack, 4/12/24
As Scoop depicts, the Duke of York is specific about how his teddy bears are arranged on his bed.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a60047594/scoop-prince-andrew-stuffed-animals-true-story-explained/
In this context that cartoon lady letter sounds like a threat.
I had assumed, when that birthday book entry was shown to and published by the the WSJ, that it had been tendered by one or more of the disgruntled agents who’d been pulled away from what they signed up for to run sex-crime cover for Trump.
Then, the Epstein estate said, “We’ve got the book, come check it out if you like,” so yes, it sure looks like a shot across the Trump-corrupted government’s bow, as Maxwell gets ready to stand before SCOTUS in her bid to get her conviction quashed.
I have to think this is the ultimate test of our democracy, because the most expedient thing to happen for Trump is to have SCOTUS uphold a dismissal, and if that happened then we know there really is a Deep State making the calls on their 6 justices for a ruling, who cares what the law might be or how it can be comically invented to serve their purposes. I feel half like they are a true evil cabal, and half they are the Stonecutters from the Simpsons
Everything that should make him look bad and beaten to a crisp, just bounces off of him.
Where the hell did he get his hands on all those rabbit feet?
Are his suits Teflon-coated Kevlar?
How much does Comey know? Where is she? And what would it take to get her to speak? A repeat of what Barr did to the Mueller Report? I think these are questions to ponder because they might be the ones that Trump fears the most. Maurene Comey spoke with the victims and knows what the redaction hold.
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Nice find about the 2007 Page 6 article. I was unaware of it.
“confirmed a Web site report”?
What is that referring to? Should there be another online source for this somewhere online?
Someone in the other thread found it.
The first save in Wayback is 1/31/16.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://pagesix.com/2007/10/15/sex-case-victims-lining-up/
The October 2016 James Patterson book Filthy Rich doesn’t mention this article.
The allegedly Mossad connected Spring 2016 book Trafficking by Conchita Sarnoff might refer to this article. It doesn’t explicitly say.
Weird that the 2020 version of the book I quoted has the age error and spelling error. The exact publication date is hard to pin down, as the Amazon date is not original publication, which is alleged to be tied to Victor Ostrovsky. And since I don’t have the original version, is Sarnoff referring to the original arrest or the 2019 arrest?
The 2021 Julie Brown book Perversion of Justice doesn’t mention the article.
Here’s how Brown describes the incident:
As usual, Trump’s timeline is faulty. Trump didn’t “ban him” until quite some time afterwards.
Timeline (dates taken from Perversion of Justice, except the Page 6 article):
8/21/07: Epstein flying to Teterboro, tipped of FBI waiting, redirected flight to USVI
9/19/07: “TENTATIVE ACCORD WAS REACHED. Goldberger called Barry Krischer to coordinate Epstein’s arraignment in state court in Palm Beach”
9/20/07: deal falls apart over jail time, Villafaña threatens to indict on Tues 9/25
9/24/07: new NPA drafted, still some negotiations [which Epstein signed]
10/12/07: Acosta meets Epstein lawyers at Marriott, Acosta signs off on Epstein demands
10/14/07: Mar-a-Lago confirms Epstein info from a web site(?)
10/15/07: Page 6 article
6/30/08: Epstein pleads guilty in state court, victims learn about federal NPA
Trump has been someone living in a bubble of no consequences forever. He also crimes and grifts right in the open, with no fear.
But, the Epstein files and even more, what Ms. Maxwell knows, seem to have him so terrified that he now keeps making unforced errors. Admitting to things better left unsaid, from his perspective.
I have no doubt that in the near future he will get Maxwell out of prison. Maybe it will be Clarence and the Fox junkies overturning her conviction due to the Florida non-prosecution agreement. Otherwise, Trump will give her some commutation or clemency.
IANAL , but doesn’t a pardon still leaves her vulnerable to possible future perjury charges, while the clemency or commutation allow for future fifth amendment refusals to answer?
Trump needs her to be able to lie, tell partial truths, and to keep quiet about her knowledge of Trump’s history.
Nah, he just needs to get her out so she can disappear herself, jurisdictionally and media-wise.
But none of that makes any sense for placating his conspiracy-addled base. He can’t turn a Succubus (in their minds) into an angel or a victim.
The “he stole my girls” meme that Trump just flipped his script to is exactly the objectification of kids that enabled Epstein and Maxwell to commit their sexual predations.
Just watched the CNN piece posted above as an update at the end of this post, and they nailed that aspect of it very well.
What a shit show we’re living through. Will Trump’s next move be to sue CNN for that segment? How can he not, it’s what he’s done in every other such sitch, right?
And just got this Atlantic piece in my inbox this morning, describing Giuffre’s family’s reaction to the “He stole her” psychopathy that Trump’s comments manifest:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/07/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-trump/683717/
Dare I say that Trump’s days are numbered now?
Here’s VIDEO of TRUMP walking out of the Oval Office while being asked:
https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lv7afo2dzk2z
July 30, 2025 at 2:21 PM
Heather Cox Richardson RePosted that in yesterday’s “Letters from an American”
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-30-2025
Donald “I need you to do me a favor though” Trump notifying other national and international powerful Epstein friends who are in the grand jury transcripts while at the same time negotiating who Maxwell does (and therefore does not) mention in the upcoming made for TV congressional testimony… What could possibly go wrong?
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How many employees do you think Trump has at his properties ? 1000 ? How about at his properties since the early 2000’s ? Don’t you find it telling that he would know Virginia Giuffre by name and that she worked in the Spa at Mar a Lago ?
The media is missing the lede.
the Guiffre girl?
here in West Aust
the story is suicide.
a family member said “they got her”
no will was made and she died intestate.
a lot is said about fascism
but the soviets were no slouches
and there is a whiff of
Trotsky and the icepick.
incidentally the trade with the US in this country is 5% of the total.