On Eve of Illegal Venezuelan Invasion, Pete Hegseth Utterly Destroys His Ability to Lead It

I think the trajectory of the last few weeks has been lost in the serial disclosures, so I want to summarize them here.

Mark Kelly and five other Democrats made a video reminding service members they can refuse illegal orders

On November 18, Elissa Slotkin released a video in which she and five other former military or intelligence officers — Mark Kelly, Chris DeLuzio, Maggie Goodlander, Chrissy Houlahan, and Jason Crow — reminding that they can refuse illegal orders.

One of the tactics Republicans chose to use in response was to demand that the members of Congress describe what illegal orders had been given.

An even stupider tactic was to move to prosecute the six, in Kelly’s case (because his retirement makes him susceptible to such a thing), threatening to withdrawn him from retirement to courtmartial him.

Trump and Pete Hegseth chose to give Kelly, a genuine hero, likely presidential candidate, and far more of a man than either of them, a bigger platform and fundraising draw.

WaPo publishes the first double tap story

The video from the six Democrats was likely focused on orders to target Americans, not Venezuelans (or Colombians or Trinis, all of whom have been targeted in the murderboat strikes); it specifically describes that the Trump Administration is pitting the military and intelligence community against American citizens.

But then WaPo described Pete Hegseth — verbally — giving the quintessential illegal order.

The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command centers became that the 11 people on board were ferrying drugs.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. “The order was to kill everybody,” one of them said.

A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.

The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.

The initial response to this was the same tactic that has gotten Trump where he is: to attack the press, claiming it was fake.

Trump promises to pardon Juan Orlando Hernández, destroying pretext for war

Meanwhile, Trump totally undercut the premise behind over a year of targeting Venezuela.

There were always problems with Trump’s pretense for the murderboats and planned Venezuelan invasion, which is that Venezuela’s government leads a cartel of narcotraffickers that amounts to an invasion of the United States.

At first, Stephen Miller’s bullshit about Venezuela was rooted in false claims about Tren de Aragua. Perhaps because the Intelligence Community publicly debunked those claims (but not before Miller relied on his bullshit to send 200 mostly-innocent men to a concentration camp, where they were tortured), Miller moved onto a new predicate. Nicolás Maduro wasn’t in charge of Tren de Aragua, Miller decided; he was in charge of Cartel de los Soles.

Tren de Aragua at least exists, albeit not in anywhere near the numbers of slumlord residents as Miller has claimed. It’s not at all clear CdlS does. Plus, if it does exist, it traffics in cocaine, not fentanyl, the claimed invading drug that justifies treating drug trafficking as war (almost no right wing Senators understand this problem, which would be hilarious if it weren’t about to become the new Yellowcake).

But then Trump promised to pardon former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández, who actually did what Trump claims Maduro is doing, who was convicted of it, who was sentenced to decades in prison.

You cannot credibly claim to give a fuck about drug trafficking when you’re freeing major traffickers. I mean, Trump doesn’t care, but the men and women risk their lives and their liberty have to attend to the likelihood they’ll be left holding the bag for Trump’s crimes.

White House concedes the double tap but defends Hegseth

Then, as Congress — led by Senate Armed Services Committee Chair Roger Wicker — begins to investigate the operation, demanding the full video of the strike and testimony from those involved, and as legal experts made it clear that this was not just a war crime, but murder, the White House changed tack. Trump knew nothing, wouldn’t have wanted it to happen, but in fact it did happen but Pete Hegseth didn’t give the order.

While NYT was publishing a story laundering Hegseth’s claims (that he did not specifically order the murder), WaPo was back with quotes from service members recognizing that Hegseth had begun underbussing his subordinates, especially Admiral Frank Bradley.

“This is ‘protect Pete’ bulls—,” one military official, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal conversations, told The Post.

Leavitt’s statement “left it up to interpretation” who was responsible for the second strike that killed the two survivors, a separate military official said, imploring the White House to provide clarity on the issue.

One official said of Leavitt’s statement, “It’s throwing us, the service members, under the bus.” Another person said some of Hegseth’s top civilian staff appeared deeply alarmed about the revelations and were contemplating whether to leave the administration.

Hegseth, writing on social media Monday night, said he stands by the admiral “and the combat decisions he has made — on the September 2 mission and all others since.” His statement is likely to deepen the sense of furor among military officials who suspect Hegseth is attempting to insulate himself from any legal recourse and leave Bradley — whom the secretary called “an American hero, a true professional” — to account for the fallout alone.

Whiskey Pete even posted a tweet claiming to have Bradley’s back while emphasizing that Bradley made the decision.

CIA’s disavowal of Rahmanullah Lakanwal

This comes amid several reports that Rahmanullah Lakanwal, the accused killer of two National Guard members last week, had done terrible things for the CIA, but then was abandoned by John Ratcliffe’s CIA before declining into bouts of depression in advance of the attack.

The struggles to start over, leave the war behind, and find work were ever present. Lakanwal was fired from his job at a laundromat because he lacked a work authorization card despite being approved for asylum and authorized to work by the Trump administration, according to his former unit mate, who fought alongside him for more than a decade.

[snip]

About a month ago, Lakanwal told his unit mate that his inability to work due to missing immigration paperwork meant his family couldn’t afford rent or food. He resorted to borrowing money from friends and former unit members, and during the conversation, he broke down in tears from frustration and desperation, his unit mate said.

“Every time, like looking [for] somebody [to] help for documents, somebody [to] help for pay the rent, he’s not going to work,” the Afghan unit mate said.

His unit mate said Lakanwal sought help in June from a CIA program designed to aid Zero Unit veterans with immigration issues. Rolling Stone reviewed a screenshot of the group chat in June where Zero Unit veterans shared information with a CIA representative about ongoing issues. Lakanwal posted messages asking for help. His last post went unanswered and was deleted by the chat’s administrator.

None of this excuses the killing. It just makes clear that Lakanwal is one of thousands of men damaged by America’s war on terror who needs — in this case, needed — help before something terrible happens. Nigel Edge, the former Marine sniper who shot up a club from his boat in Cape Fear in September, is another one.

Mark Kelly models leadership

Meanwhile, precisely because Trump and Hegseth chose to attack Kelly, he was able to stage a press conference for little other reason than to attack Trump and Hegseth’s leadership failures.

That included addressing the double tap, in which he mostly deferred to investigations, but still upheld the import of international law.

We don’t know how all this will end.

What we do know is that, in advance of a likely demand that service members do something patently illegal, Pete Hegseth has made it clear he’ll sacrifice everyone to save himself.

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  1. Wendy Price says:

    Great article, just an edit needed: “Elissa” Slotkin rather than Elise. Your analysis is spot on, as usual — thanks!

  2. Fraud Guy says:

    “Pete Hegseth has made it clear he’ll sacrifice everyone to save himself.”

    And as well documented here and elsewhere, so will Trump and any other person holding power within his administration. They are a massive circular firing squad, and anyone who complies with any of their requests going forward is either delusional or hoping that they will survive the wreckage with a pardon or in a thousand-year reich, which are also their own forms of delusion.

  3. rattlemullet says:

    Pete Hegseth is a coward. He deserves all the ills that can befall a man of such cowardice. Shakespeare said it best, Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once.” The fact that this shell of a man is the SOD, confirmed by the senate, whom have blood on their hands, hopefully will die many deaths before what will be his ultimate public humiliation. He is committing the ultimate act of cowardice known in the military ranks and that is to blame others for his direct command to commit a wanton act murder.

  4. William Bennett says:

    I came by to make sure my fave sites are pushing the full version of the Kelly presser, but I see you’re on it. It’s being excerpted but watch the whole thing–it’s blistering and absolutely nails the messaging on both strategic and tactical levels. The immediate issue is Trump calling for executions, but he ties the PSA to the WaPo double-tap story, then widens out to the whole question of incompetence, including a precis of Trump’s career failures, AND ties it to GOP incompetence and how they’re failing ordinary people at the affordability level, all without losing focus. Mockery of Hegseth as a boy playing soldier–every word in it is priceless. And his manner is authoritative and authentic AF because HE has the credentials and life-experience. I was shouting YES YES YES through the whole thing. This guy is gonna be a **formidable ** prez candidate.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      That was a great speech, and it indeed puts him at the front of the ’28 pack pf Dem POTUS candidates (even in front of Newsom, because the guy exudes gravitas as opposed to snark)…if we get there.

      I think Harris blew it by not choosing him for VP. Walz’ “Trump is weird” pitch was milquetoast and his performance against Vance was the downturn-point of their candidacy: he had a chance to skewer Vance in real time while blowing the “stolen election” bullshit out of the water, and and instead he missed it entirely:
      https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/10/4/2274658/-The-Bombshell-From-the-Walz-Vance-Debate-That-No-One-Caught
      Kelly would have made mince-meat out of Vance, imo.

      I also disagree that Kelly should be avoiding the issue of the Carribean Sea/Eastern Pacific Ocean extrajudical killings per se, while just concentrating on this double-tap. It’s *all* illegal and it’s all murder, full stop.

      This is Trump/Hegseth Tonkin Gulf-level duplicity, except there’s no attempt at deceit, just outright, videotaped murder for agitprop purposes. The service members ordering and carrying out those strikes are liable for murder charges themselves, for every boat that has been sunk and every person killed.

      Ignoring that aspect of the depravity that our FP has descended into is a misdirection, imo. The double-tap was likely a PR decision to avoid what happened with the Columbian fishermen who survived a previous mass killing event and who were rescued and declared to be fishermen by Columbian authorities (which makes it all the more heinous), but each and every one of the (known) 21 boat strikes were mass-murder events as heinous as Mai Lai — the biggest differences being that the current atrocities are under direct orders from the chain of command, and that the troops involved committed the murders without getting so much as a speck of blood on their uniforms.

      The Trumpists understand that dynamic, thus their hair-on-fire response. To focus only on the double tap event is to give them a pass on the overall criminality of this Vietnam-redux insanity.

      • harpie says:

        re: The double-tap was likely a PR decision to avoid what happened with the Columbian fishermen who survived a previous mass killing event

        The “double tap” happened on 9/2/25…the FIRST known stike.
        The fisherman was rescued and ID’d in a 9/15/25 strike.
        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/26/us/trump-boat-strike-videos.html

        re: and that the troops involved committed the murders
        without getting so much as a speck of blood on their uniforms.

        Yes.
        No troops were put in harm’s way”
        = their lame excuse for not working with Congress.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          Missed that entirely. Thanks for catching it. My bandwidth is shrinking even as the depth of the information flood we’re drowning in rises.

          So (again just spitballing) does that likely mean that they allowed the Colombians to be rescued because they grokked to the less photogenic blatant murder aspect of the guys, two weeks earlier, clinging to flotsam while getting obliviated, as opposed to the speedboat>fireball spectacles they publish like soap commercials?

          If so, it probably makes marketing sense, in a meta-psychotic way.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          IOW, did they actually understand the blatancy of the double tap when or soon after it went down, making them institute a “don’t kill survivors” order going forward, which in turn led to the Colombian survivors two weeks later getting to tell their stories contradicting the Trump War narrative?

      • arleychino says:

        I had read but don’t remember where, that the “give no quarter” orders from Hegseth had indeed been changed, as the admin realized the consequences for anyone expecting to travel to ICC-participant countries anytime in the future, aside from the “premeditated murder” POV. Also my understanding is that Senator Kelly can’t be recalled to active duty as both his age category and length of time since military service preclude that retaliation.

      • arleychino says:

        I had read but don’t remember where, that the “give no quarter” orders from Hegseth had indeed been changed, as the admin realized the consequences for anyone planning to travel to ICC-participant countries anytime in the future, aside from the “premeditated murder” POV. Also my understanding is that Senator Kelly can’t be recalled to active duty as both his age category and length of time since military service preclude that retaliation.

      • arleychino says:

        I had read but don’t remember where, that the “give no quarter” orders from Hegseth had indeed been changed, as the admin realized the consequences for anyone planning to travel to ICC-participant countries anytime in the future, aside from the “premeditated murder'”POV. Also my understanding is that Senator Kelly can’t be recalled to active duty as both his age category and length of time since military service preclude that retaliation.

        • David Brooks says:

          To Mooserite’s “Why on earth did Bradley not insist on written, specific, orders?” – as I understand it, it’s a violation for a commissioned officer to *issue* illegal orders. The source doesn’t matter, so a CYA wouldn’t help.

        • Mooserites says:

          Thanks for responding, Mr. Brooks
          Another words, Bradley wanted to blow up those boats just as much as Hegseth did. What a fool. When the Coast Guard interdicted boats suspected of carrying drugs, 79% had none.

      • Purple Martin says:

        Pete Hegseth, our unqualified, dick-wagging, kill-them-all ‘War Secretary,’ and Admiral Frank M. “Mitch” Bradley, his 4-star, just-following-orders, SOCOM commander, may be in trouble—the latter more than the first.

        SECDEF Hegseth, as the superior officer giving the original unlawful orders, might find a way to ‘get off on a technicality’ in a way similar to Capt. Ernest Medina’s successful defense in the Vietnam My Lai Massacre court martials. Paraphrased, Medina said ‘When I told Lt. Calley the village was infested by Viet Cong and to kill them all, he knew I meant the Viet Cong, not every man, woman and child in the village!

        That puts ADM Bradley loosely in the role of the not very bright, poor-performing officer, Lt. William Calley, whose court martial defense was essentially ‘The Captain was my boss. He told me to kill them all. I followed his orders. I’d do it again.’ He was convicted of killing 22 noncombatants. Counts differ, but he and of the 100 soldiers under his command killed 300-500 villagers. Many of the soldiers received immunity for their testimony, others denied taking part in the killing, but none were charged.

        So, ADM Bradley might say, ‘the Secretary of War is my superior officer. He told me to blow up the boats and kill the smugglers. I followed his orders—again, Calley to Hegseth’s Medina. And, unlike Senator Kelly, Bradley could be called back from a post-Venezuela War retirement to face court martial and be convicted of not refusing to follow “manifestly unlawful orders” (The UCMJ term, if I correctly recall my Senior NCO Academy Law of War seminar).

        That certainly includes both manifestly unlawful orders: Hegseth’s original order to Bradley for Seal Team Six to conduct nonjudicial summary executions of civilians on the high seas and, whether Hegseth’s or Bradley’s, the second order to kill shipwrecked survivors.

        • Uncle Reggie says:

          Can a pardon from Trump render all this moot? Has the Supreme Court created this monster who can pull levers and pay no consequences?

          And protect his underlings – at least the ones with wealthy friends…

        • Mike from Delaware says:

          The soldiers conduct at My Lai was reprehensible. They were, however, mostly kids, with minimal training, in an active war zone, emersed in death and were led by incompetent officers. Medina and Calley knew the troops were angry at the recent loss of many of their fellow soldiers. The officers harnessed that rage and focused it on the villagers. Compare that to the conditions under which Bradley and Hegseth were operating.
          They weren’t dealing with the compounding physiological effects of war. Bradley and Hegseth were safe and secure. They knew they were going home after their workday was done. Yet with that clarity of mind, they chose murder.

      • Vthestate says:

        B.F.Cole…you got that right. The media drum beat about the double tap murder is the frosting on the Trump MurderBoat
        story. It is hard to believe so little is being said about flat out , out in the open…extra judicial killing. How can I sue ? Or maybe I don’t have standing.

        • Raven Eye says:

          ADM Bradley has a duty to refuse an illegal order. That he apparently accepted and executed the order means that, if the order was illegal, he is fully responsible for his actions. But, of course, it doesn’t stop there. The bus and the driver may also be culpable. As for the tires, pavement, traffic lane markings…That depends on how far down you want to go. But if commissioned officers were involved…

          I wouldn’t be surprised if U.S. Special Operations Command and the whole special operations culture gets some serious congressional attention. When, however, is to be determined.

  5. William Bennett says:

    From the DOD Law of War Manual:

    Judgement in Case of Lieutenants Dithmar and Boldt, Hospital Ship “Llandovery Castle” (Second Criminal
    Senate of the Imperial Court of Justice, Germany, Jul. 16, 1921), reprinted in 16 AJIL, 708, 721-22 (1922) (“It is
    certainly to be urged in favor of the military subordinates, that they are under no obligation to question the order of their superior officer, and they can count upon its legality. But no such confidence can be held to exist, if such an order is universally known to everybody, including also the accused, to be without any doubt whatever against the law. This happens only in rare and exceptional cases. But this case was precisely one of them, for in the present instance, it was perfectly clear to the accused that killing defenceless people in the life-boats could be nothing else but a breach of the law. As naval officers by profession they were well aware, as the naval expert Saalwiachter has strikingly stated, that one is not legally authorized to kill defenceless people. They well knew that this was the case here. They quickly found out the facts by questioning the occupants in the boats when these were stopped. They could only have gathered, from the order given by Patzig, that he wished to make use of his subordinates to carry out a breach of the law. They should, therefore, have refused to obey.”).

    https://ogc.osd.mil/Portals/99/department_of_defense_law_of_war_manual.pdf

    • Thequickbrownfox says:

      During the reign of Trump1, a navy seal petty officer was reported, by other members of his team, to have killed a wounded prisoner with a knife. The seal was court martialed and found guilty.

      Trump pardoned him, and he is now living somewhere in this country and drawing his sweet navy pension.

      Nobody in this chain of command is ever going to be held accountable under U.S. law. Trump will see to it.

  6. Ginevra diBenci says:

    And yet Trump continues to stand by Hegseth. His “I believe him” with its dotard gullibility stands in stark contrast to the (much-reported) imminent shelving of Kash Patel. Patel is a bumbling fool, but not a particularly bloodthirsty one; his main contrast with Hegseth lies in their relative telegenicity. It’s beyond obvious what Trump values most, and it’s not human life.

    • Spencer Dawkins says:

      You’re poking a question that I should have thought about previously – what is it about Kash Patel that appeals to Donald Trump? I mean, complete servility, sure, but Trump is surrounded by minions, most of whom are … white, and many of whom don’t look like frightened deer in the headlights, in their official photos.

      • Estragon says:

        There’s something as well to unpack about Kash’s “Valhalla” comments at Charlie Kirk’s funeral.

      • AC_10JAN2021_0825h says:

        Patel worked for Nunes and helped coordinate the Russia cover up. He knows where every body is buried.

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        • zscoreUSA says:

          Patel joining HPSCI leading to joining NSC

          During the 2016 transition, Nunes had near daily communication with Flynn, who has close ties to Grassley’s office.

          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/31/devin-nunes-michael-flynn-trump-russia
          https://www.businessinsider.com/devin-nunes-michael-flynn-turkey-russia-2017-11

          From Patel’s book, here is his description of joining HPSCI and then NSC.

          Chapter 4

          [During the 2016 transition,] [o]ne of my friends was trying to get a job, and another friend of mine put me in touch with the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), Devin Nunes [who speaks daily with Flynn], with the hopes that maybe he could help my job-searching friend out.

          ..

          Devin knew that his committee would have to investigate what happened [about Russia and the 2016 election] and find the facts—and my background intrigued him [due to experience as a public defender and a federal prosecutor embedded with Special Forces at SOCOM] … he asked me how I would handle something like an investigation into Russian interference.

          ..
          As we continued talking, Devin offered me a job to run the whole Russia investigation. I told him absolutely no.

          ..

          But Devin [who speaks daily with Flynn] is a persuasive guy [LMAO]. We continued talking, and within a couple months, Devin told me that if I helped him with all the grunt work required for an honest investigation, then he would give my resume to the White House and do everything he could to get me a job at the National Security Council (NSC) [headed by Flynn with his protege Cohen-Watnick]—a dream job of mine.

        • zscoreUSA says:

          Continued from Patel’s book describing how he went from HPSCI to communicating directly to Trump while at NSC:

          ..

          So I told Devin yes but on one condition. I was going to follow the facts wherever they led, and at the end of the day, we would share what I found with the American public. I told him I wasn’t there to pursue a partisan con job. [bahahahahhahaha lolololol lmao]

          ..

          Chapter 9

          With the Nunes Memo published and the Mueller witch hunt ending, my work at the HPSCI was coming to an end. Additionally, by the fall of 2018, [Nunes would lose the HPSCI chair]..
          That winter I asked Devin to uphold his end of the bargain that he had made two years before.

          When President Trump learned who I was and what I did, he told his chief of staff to hire me immediately onto the NSC. But Trump’s national security advisor at the time, John Bolton, was an arrogant control freak who resisted following the orders of the president he served if it didn’t suit his interests.

          I earned something else that White House staffers covet: access to the president.


          The president and I would soon meet in person in the Oval Office.

          Before I knew it, the president looked at me directly [in the Situation Room after Baghsadi raid] and asked for one picture with just the two of us. I was in shock.

      • zscoreUSA says:

        Besides the servility, there’s also Patel’s connections to Qanon and to the Grassley Network, which includes Ezra Cohen-Watnick, Nunes, Harvey, Flynn, Solomon, Ellis.

        Trump acts if he never knew anything about Qanon and the Q drops, which ended with a push towards January 6.

        Ezra Cohen-Watnick acts as if he was against Qanon, but he randomly created an official Twitter account right before the 2020 election, quickly gained tons of followers from Qanon, liking Qanon tweets, including at least one tweet of a Q follower cheering that Trump just promoted Q to command military intelligence, referring to Cohen-Watnick.

        Patel has pushed Qanon openly since 2021, often with coded language like the Valhalla comment. Flynn was a big part of the Qanon base. Flynn even took the Qanon oath.

      • RitaRita says:

        In additional to Kash’s knowledge of Trump’s Russia connection and his QAnon credentials as the others have. Commented on, Kash knows what’s in the FBI Epstein Files.

    • Estragon says:

      Yeah Ka$h’s problem was always the cringe. Once that story came out about his oversized challenge coin, his days were numbered. Pete will get more run, if for no other reason than the magical “central casting” look Don so values. Yes, in America in 2025 this is how we as a society make decisions about who is in charge of government. FML.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      And today Kash pulls the rabbit out of the hat!!! He found the pipe bomber! All by himself without any help from Joe Biden!

      Pete Hegseth, it’s your turn to pull off a miracle…

  7. Peterr says:

    On Nov 11, CNN broke this story:

    The United Kingdom is no longer sharing intelligence with the US about suspected drug trafficking vessels in the Caribbean because it does not want to be complicit in US military strikes and believes the attacks are illegal, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

    The UK’s decision marks a significant break from its closest ally and intelligence sharing partner and underscores the growing skepticism over the legality of the US military’s campaign around Latin America.

    [snip]

    But shortly after the US began launching lethal strikes against the boats in September, however, the UK grew concerned that the US might use intelligence provided by the British to select targets. British officials believe the US military strikes, which have killed 76 people, violate international law, the sources said. The intelligence pause began over a month ago, they said.

    Sounds like the UK intelligence community saw the double-tap strike, and said “we’re out.”

    And Hegseth probably laughed. “You’re a washed up 19th century power, and we rule the world today. Keep your tiny little secrets, and we’ll do just fine, thankyouverymuch.”

  8. harpie says:

    ew: “You cannot credibly claim to give a fuck about drug trafficking
    when you’re freeing major traffickers.

    Marcy links to this Nov. 29, 2025 NYT article:
    The Ex-President Whom Trump Plans to Pardon Flooded America With Cocaine
    Juan Orlando Hernández, whom Mr. Trump called a victim of persecution, helped orchestrate
    a decades-long trafficking conspiracy. It ravaged his Central American country.

    Editor in Chief of Mother Jones, Clara Jeffery, offers a GIFT Link here:
    https://bsky.app/profile/clarajeffery.bsky.social/post/3m6tgzes7js2v
    Nov 30, 2025, 2:59 AM

    A quote at the end of that article shows exactly what TRUMP “give[s] a fuck about”:

    But on Saturday, Mr. Trump said in a statement to The New York Times
    that “many friends” had asked him to pardon Mr. Hernández:

    “They gave him 45 years because he was the President of the Country —
    you could do this to any President.”

    • Mooserites says:

      “Many friends”? I bet Trump can’t name any of them. And of course, none of his “friends” put it in writing.

    • earthworm says:

      ew: “You cannot credibly claim to give a fuck about drug trafficking
      when you’re freeing major traffickers.”
      when venezuela has the oil our donald wants, it is clear the motive for his his narco-war is a regime change, false flag war.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      And Ross Ulbricht, Silk Road (dark web drug trafficking site) founder, whom Trump pardoned in his first weeks in office. Never forget.

    • harpie says:

      Again, today:

      https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m6zs7zdcit2u
      Dec 2, 2025, 3:36 PM

      Trump on pardoning the former president of Honduras: “That was a Biden horrible witch hunt. A lot of people in Honduras asked me to do that & I did it. I feel very good about it. If you have some drug dealers in your country and you’re the president, you don’t necessarily put the president in jail” [VIDEO]

      Q: On the pardon of former president of Honduras, and he was released from prison.

      TRUMP: I did. Well, he was the president and they had ah some drugs being sold in their country and because he was the president, they went after him. That was the Biden horrible witch hunt which was ah you know a lotta people in Honduras asked me to do that and I did. I feel very good about it. Ah, if you had some drug dealers in your country and you’re the president, ah you don’t necessarily put the president in jail for forty-five years. That was a Biden inspired witch hunt.

    • punaise says:

      Paul Krugman via DKos:

      Krugman’s explanation for Trump’s pardon of the former Honduran president needs prime time attention

      [W]hy pardon Hernández? What’s the connection to the crypto/tech broligarchy? It’s called Próspera.

      Próspera is a for-profit city being built off Honduras’s coast. Its charter largely exempts the island from Honduran law. Instead, the city is run by a governing structure that for the most part gives control to a corporation, Honduras Próspera Inc., which is in turn funded by a familiar list of Silicon Valley billionaires including Thiel, Sam Altman and Marc Andreesen.

      he only logical answer is because of the influence of the crypto/tech broligarchy and their interests in Próspera.

  9. allan_in_upstate says:

    Perhaps taking a back seat to the bombing-survivors-in-the-water-is-a-war-crime discussion is the fact that the Sept. 2 attack was on a boat with 11 people on board. Two pilots/navigators plus one or two muscle in case of “issues”? Sure. But 11? No way. The extra 7 or 8 people would have weighed at least 1/2 ton, displacing valuable cargo. So it seems that even accepting throwing Bradley under the bus for the second strike, the initial choice of target was deeply flawed. Maybe Hagueseth can blame it on DEI.

    • harpie says:

      On that topic, this quote is from the 11/28/25 WaPo article:

      […] Current and former officials within the U.S. military and DEA have expressed doubt that all 11 people aboard the first vessel were complicit in trafficking.

      The boat in question, a go-fast vessel with four motors, is common in the region and would typically be manned by a small crew — perhaps one mechanic, a driver or two, and another person focused on security, one DEA official said.

      More people on board means less room for drugs to sell, the official explained. He assessed that the 11 people may have been a mix of drug runners and illegally trafficked migrants. Colombia’s president has accused the U.S. in at least one instance of killing an innocent fisherman. […]

      • john paul jones says:

        I wondered about that from the get-go. However, according to the WaPo story, they tracked the boat for a while and supposedly became more certain as time went on, that it was carrying drugs.

        I’d love some more detail on exactly how that certainty was achieved and who was the one who declared that certainty. Was it one of the drone operators? The analysts in the room? Or one of the other personnel, say, an officer who needed the “certainty” said out loud?

        • Stephen Calhoun says:

          Hmmm, something about the paranoiac seeing enemies everywhere and plain confirmation bias.

          Experts tell me on MSNOW that interdiction, interrogation, and putting the puzzle together are superior to murder.

          The flex: we can make people we don’t like disappear. Anywhere. Is the model celebrated mafia movies?

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          Interdiction of drug boats: the Coast Guard’s purview. Not the Navy’s.

          And we (including Congress) have gotten NO evidence that any of the targeted people were drug runners.

        • Eschscholzia says:

          @Ginevra diBenci 4:12pm
          Navy destroyers based in San Diego also do drug interdiction in the Pacific, with 2-4 month deployments as far south as off Peru. At least some Navy destroyers embark a Coast Guard LE detachment. The destroyers have better radars than cutters, and more comfortable living conditions for long deployments than any but the newest, largest cutters. Whenever a Coast Guard cutter or Navy destroyer returns from such a deployment, local media get press releases and photo ops of drugs piled up on a pier.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          replying to Eschscolzia:

          My understanding is that the Navy only does so in concert with Coast Guard, not separately. That is, the Navy is not in a solo drug interdiction business.

  10. harpie says:

    Here’s a GIFT Link from George Conway to the 12/1/25 WaPo article:
    https://bsky.app/profile/gtconway.bsky.social/post/3m6yjrraxgs2x
    Dec 2, 2025, 3:32 AM

    Hegseth, with White House help, tries to distance himself from boat strike fallout
    As Congress vows accountability, the Trump administration emphasized it was
    a top military commander — not the defense secretary — who directed the engagement. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/12/01/hegseth-caine-boat-strikes-caribbean/ December 1, 2025 at 8:31 p.m.

    […] The Pentagon has declined The Post’s request to interview Hegseth about his role in the strikes. President Donald Trump told reporters Sunday that he had discussed the matter with Hegseth, who, Trump said, assured him he did not give an order to kill everyone aboard the boat. “And I believe him,” the president added, “100 percent.” […]

    Well, now THAT should reassure everyone. / s

  11. SonofaWW2Marine says:

    Admiral Bradley & Sec’y Hegseth should both be placed on administrative leave & investigated at the very least. And Bradley can’t blame Hegseth & claim (with the Wehrmacht generals we hanged) that he was just following orders. If the reports are accurate, either he didn’t know it’s a war crime to kill shipwrecked survivors, or was too cowardly to do his duty & say no to Hegseth’s illegal order, or ordered the murder himself.

    • Fly by Night says:

      If Adm. Bradley is sanctioned in any way they will never find another officer who will execute an order to attack those boats. My prediction: he will be offered another assignment billed as a promotion. He will decline said assignment and retire honorably. History may disagree on the honorable part.

      I give it six months.

  12. RitaRita says:

    Hegseth’s motto: “The buck never stops here.” Actually, this might be the motto of the Trump Administration. The more fervently Trump defends Hegseth, the shorter Hegseth’s term in office is. Trump doesn’t want anyone stealing his limelight.

    The Jeff Bezos Washington Post has an editorial calling out Hegseth on the boat strike and wondering how pardoning the ex-President of Honduras makes for a coherent drug strategy.

    I think Hegseth gets an early Christmas holiday.

  13. Bill Crowder says:

    Double tap is tap-tap. As fast as the finger moves.

    This was tap. Wait 10-15 minutes. Tap. I.e., murder.

    • Snowdog of the North says:

      The first tap was murder, even giving them the benefit of any conceivable doubt. The second tap just confirms the entire object was premeditated murder for the cameras. Not interdicting drugs.

      • Bill Crowder says:

        Don’t get so twitchy. This is a comment on how the term double tap is bullshit. Not on the legality of any of these murders.

    • Rayne says:

      Both taps were murder. We’re not at war and extrajudicial execution of either Americans or foreign nationals without due process is unlawful in the complete absence of exigent conditions creating immediate threat to human lives.

      • Mooserites says:

        And this was all done on verbal orders, which are to be reconstructed a couple months later? He said…no. he said…I didn’t mean that.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      I wouldn’t get hung up on the analogy. It’s not a “tap.” That’s a euphemism for firing a round into the human body.

      As you note, a double tap refers to firing two rounds almost simultaneously. Owing to the well-documented higher stress that generates beyond that produced by firing one round, or two rounds fired seconds apart, death is typically surer and faster.

      In legit combat, that’s important for the safety of you and your team, and for the completion of your mission. In the criminal context, an immediate, assured kill is important, but it is unlawful and typically murder.

      The press has extended the euphemism to firing two missiles at the same target, minutes apart. As you note, that’s a different scenario. Its purpose is to kill everyone in the target zone, regardless of whether they pose a threat, a common justification for the killing. As Rayne points out, absent sufficient legal justification, for which Trump has provided no evidence, that’s an unlawful killing and probably murder.

      #te

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        I had not encountered “double tap” in a military context before this. As far as I knew this was a term used to describe mob hits, or copycat mob hits, that filtered its way into domestic law enforcement from their studying perpetrators.

        Does it have a long military history as well?

  14. Rick Wilson says:

    It seems that many are overlooking a simple fact. The video released by Kelly and the other five Democrats and then the disclosure of the “double-tap” incident cannot be a coincidence. Somebody leaked what happened.

    [Thanks for updating your username to meet the 8-letter minimum. Please be sure to use the same username and email address each time you comment so that community members get to know you. /~Rayne]

  15. Amateur Lawyer at Work says:

    Another Republican administration, another set of officials unable to leave U.S. soil ever again. Someone needs to throw an embassy party and lick the gates once all the guests arrive. Treaty of Rome time!

  16. Error Prone says:

    The DOJ Press Release dated March, 2024, of the Hernandez conviction is online at: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/juan-orlando-hernandez-former-president-honduras-convicted-manhattan-federal-court — saying among other things –

    “Several of HERNANDEZ’s co-conspirators have already been convicted and sentenced in connection with this investigation. Among others, HERNANDEZ’s brother, Juan Antonio Hernandez Alvarado, a/k/a “Tony Hernandez,” was convicted after trial in October 2019 and sentenced to life in prison, and Geovanny Fuentes Ramirez, a violent cocaine trafficker who met with HERNANDEZ on multiple occasions to discuss their drug trafficking partnership, was convicted after trial in March 2021, and sentenced to life in prison. More recently, Juan Carlos Bonilla Valladares, a/k/a “El Tigre,” the former chief of the Honduran National Police, pled guilty to his participation in the cocaine importation conspiracy and is scheduled to be sentenced on June 25, 2024, and Mauricio Hernandez Pineda, a former member of the Honduran National Police and HERNANDEZ’s cousin, pled guilty to his participation in the cocaine importation conspiracy [ …] In total, HERNANDEZ and his co-conspirators trafficked more than 400 tons of U.S.-bound cocaine through Honduras during HERNANDEZ’s tenure in the Honduran government.”

    Three things – 400tons is a lot, so how did it get to Honduras to be trans-shippted; and, several DOJ participants in the investigation/trial are named so that somebody should investigate which are still at DOJ and which not, with details. Third, what’s the story with codefendants still in prison?

    That’s the only returned item about the conviction I could locate online. All other returns are about the pardon, without much other detail. The linked item states, “Throughout his time in office, HERNANDEZ publicly promoted legislation and the efforts he purported to undertake in support of anti-narcotics measures in Honduras. At the same time, he protected and enriched the drug traffickers in his inner circle and those who provided him with cocaine-fueled bribes that allowed him to obtain and stay in power in Honduras. For example, HERNANDEZ selectively upheld extraditions by using his executive power to support extraditions to the United States of certain drug traffickers who threatened his grip on power and promising drug traffickers who paid him and followed his instructions that they would remain in Honduras.”

    That means to me that monoply efforts were instituted against others – suggesting those others now may be more active after the take-down. Leaving Biden to be blaimed for favoring those others?

    Nobody is asking what’s the cocaine traffic now, through Honduras, and it seems an obvious question. Kash Patel should know the answer, or who in government to ask about it. Ditto, Tulsi.

  17. Error Prone says:

    Evidence at the Hernandez trial – 400 tons of cocaine trans-shipped during Hernandez operations. So, how much is now going that route, the same, more, or less; and if it’s not down greatly, why piss around blowing up boats unless it’s, “Look there, not here?” And why might that be?

  18. Savage Librarian says:

    Hello, Murder

    Hello, murder, Hello, slaughter
    Who here forgot
    damn Blackwater
    Maybe it was
    pre-ordaining
    But we sure hope that this
    is not self-sustaining

    Rule of Law now ICE-y dicey
    Constitution’s gone to MICE-y
    You remember Adolf Hitler
    Our Selective Service
    now is a belittler

    Who’ll be first
    at pointing fingers
    Sneaky words
    with blame that lingers
    Reaffirming
    what we all know
    Each scoundrel has been a loser
    from the get-go

    Now I don’t want
    this should scare ya
    Or put Congress in hysteria
    This republic, so foolhardy
    It’s now time to send out
    a damn searching party

    Stockholm Syndrome,
    Murder, slaughter
    Stockholm Syndrome,
    Chief Non Grata
    Don’t abandon our republic
    where it might get
    beaten by no care

    Vicious slaughter,
    heartless murder
    We have to stop
    laws’ perverters
    We have to stop
    the wrongdoing
    And set about the way
    for our renewing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6jPX8Dq_lM

    “The Cheerful Song That You’ve Been Humming (Hello Mudduh, Hello Fadduh!)”

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      SL, this is not just brilliant. This is DAMN brilliant. A propulsive certain chart topper!

      (Just wondering: Do kids these days grow up hearing the “Cheerful Song” the way we did?)

    • gruntfuttock says:

      Lovely work as ever. Kudos.

      And you inspired me to attempt a little homage, although I’m sure it’s not worthy:

      [Verse 1]

      Hello murder, my old friend
      I’ve come to talk with you again
      Because a small boat softly floating
      Sailed its course while I was sleeping
      And the vision that was planted in my brain
      Still remains
      Within the sound of grifting

      [Verse 2]

      In restless dreams I walked alone
      My two hours had come and gone
      I saw the two men on a dead tramp
      I turned my collar to the cold and damp
      When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a naval shell
      That split the night
      And touched the sound of grifting

      [Verse 3]

      And in the naked light, I saw
      Ten thousand MAGATs, maybe more
      People talking without speaking
      People hearing without listening
      People writing songs that voices never shared
      And no one dared
      Disturb the sound of grifting

      [Verse 4]

      “Fools,” said I, “You do not know
      Grifting, like a cancer grows
      Hear my words that I might teach you
      Take this cash that I might reach you”
      And my words, like silent raindrops, fell
      And echoed in the wells of grifting

      [Verse 5]

      And Trump’s people bowed and prayed
      To the Golden God they made
      And Hegseth flashed out his warning
      In the words that he was foaming
      And the sign said, “The words of the Trumps are written on the Ballroom walls
      And West Wing halls
      And are echoed in the sound of grifting”

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        Excellent job. Grifting is indeed the sound of this entire administration, from crypto to selling pardons right and left. You nailed it.

  19. depressed chris says:

    In a break from normalcy, and possibly to avoid responsibility, Hegseth has routinely given “voice orders” to the military for routine asset movements (e.g. moving intel gathering aircraft and MQ-9 from USCENTCOM to USSOUTHCOM). He has also done this with most things Venezuela. In response, the senior military has often memorialized these voice orders within the written orders that they provide to their subordinates. I wouldn’t be surprised if Admiral Bradley (who has two Bronze Stars) or his command staff did this with each voice ordered strike. They are seasoned enough and aware of the law to see the blame rolling to them (and yes, they followed an illegal order). Even so, operations are carried-out and recorded in real-time via chat, time coded video, and time coded signals intelligence. Bradley would be stupid if he didn’t bring this evidence to the Hill next week. BTW, in all things I’ve seen, Hegseth IS the sole authority for these strikes. Orange dumpling has plenty of organized crime / grift experience to know how to keep the shit stink off of himself.

  20. Mooserites says:

    Thanks, Chris. That makes sense to me.
    So Bradley hopes the blame “rolls downhill” to the guys in the aircraft or the crew at the missile batteries.

    • NerdyCanuck says:

      wouldn’t he be trying to roll the blame back up onto Hegseth? By memorializing the verbal orders?

      • Mooserites says:

        He’s gonna “roll the blame” on to the people who have the least capacity to do him harm, not the ones who can pardon him. Or see he is never charged.

  21. Error Prone says:

    The Hernandez pardon was issued Dec. 1, this year. Earlier, Joe Biden pardoned Hunter Biden Dec. 1, 2024. Is that pure coincidence, or did Trump pick date and prisoner with some intent, and if that, wtf might Trump have had in mind?

    Good luck guessing. The date coincidence, and Cocaine seem to be the only connecting threads.

  22. Challenger says:

    Senator Mark Kelly does appear to have strong leadership skills. An article in The Guardian outlines the return of two alleged drug runners from a blown up submarine. One was retuned to Columbia with brain trauma, and on a ventilator. CBC reports, “Canadian tech helped U.S. strike alleged Venezuelan drug boats.” CNN “UK halts some intel sharing with US over boat strikes”

  23. Ginevra diBenci says:

    Yes, someone leaked it. My money’s on the Trump camp. Why?

    We’re not talking about Epstein. No one is talking about Epstein. They could release Ghislaine Maxwell into the wild and we would be none the wiser. Murder is a shiny object too.

    • Savage Librarian says:

      Or someone associated with the Pentagon. Or someone who wants Hegseth gone. Or someone who wants to stir up division and dissension.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      I recommend this article to all here. It draws on Hegseth’s book and other sources, and reminded me that it was he who shepherded those war criminals to their pardons in Trump’s first term. I had forgotten Pete’s role in this.

      Money quote: “I’m with the American warfighter, all the way.” Yeah, right–up to the moment when I ditch ’em for my own precious sake.

  24. Sean Campbell says:

    Two thoughts: First, as a Canadian Forces veteran I find it disturbing how easily everyone in the chain of command here just shrugged and continued on with the extra-judicial killings. I was a non-com, but I still had the Geneva Conventions drilled into me relentlessly. I guess, when the CINC has already pardoned that Gallagher war-criminal everyone else thinks it’s blanket immunity. As someone who once wore a uniform (and who’s daughter still does) it disgusts me from an ethical perspective, but I have to point out that such conventions are in place for the protection of those in uniform. Throw them away, and no one bothers trying to treat prisoners humanely–and that includes your enemies! America’s allies will likely be less interested in seconding their soldiers to US operations if they’re going to face these increased moral and physical hazards. Not like SOD or CINC cares in this administration. America can go it alone once again I guess.

    Secondly, this just comes off as a bad remake of Tom Clancy’s Clear and Present Danger. A morally bankrupt one at that. Rage inducing.

    Sean

    • Raven Eye says:

      Red Wegener of that book/movie is said to have been loosely based on a man who later earned three stars in the Coast Guard. I had the pleasure of serving under him, and sometimes driving for him during my first enlisted tour.

  25. GKJames25 says:

    Hegseth is what he is. That doesn’t let Admiral Bradley off the hook for making (or failing to make) his own judgment on orders Hegseth gave him.

  26. Raven Eye says:

    Hegseth, the officer who (barely) peaked out at a platoon leader, hasn’t figured out a few key things.

    1. He’s done everything he can to gut the DoD IGs and their staffs, and also gutted the JAG Corps. His beef was essentially that they interfered with his predisposition to commit war crimes.

    2. He and Trump have no idea that they are giving the green light to any nation state who decides that, because of real or imagined threats from the U.S., it can kill U.S. citizens on the high seas…or in their hotel room, hiking in the hills, etc.

    Sidebar: For about 7 years in the basement of the Pentagon, the person in the next cubicle was a rotational reserve JAG officer. It was enlightening, including their experiences with trying to convince our forces from committing war crimes. (For two of them their regular job was at Main Justice and I wonder how their world is these days.)

  27. harpie says:

    Following on from Sean Campbell at 4:55 pm and Raven Eye at 6:12 pm, above:

    Killing Shipwrecked Survivors is Not Just Illegal—It Endangers U.S. Servicemembers
    https://www.justsecurity.org/125998/boat-strikes-shipwrecked-servicemembers/
    Mark Nevitt Published on December 1, 2025

    […] Compliance with international law—including the laws of war—is built, in many respects, on reciprocity. If the United States abandons these rules, it cannot expect its adversaries to follow them when Americans are the ones captured, isolated, shipwrecked, or shot down. And it’s not just reciprocity. Weakening the legitimacy of such fundamental rules also corrodes the underlying foundation of a system that serves U.S. servicemembers time and again. As the world’s most widely deployed maritime power, the United States relies on these protections more than any other nation. And what’s more, illegal orders create moral, reputational, and strategic harm long after the violations of law have ceased. […]

    [Mark Nevitt, Commander, JAGC (ret.) is an Associate Professor of Law at Emory University School of Law. He was previously the Class of 1971 Distinguished Military Professor of Leadership & Law at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland […]]

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      This whole administration is the Land of Unforeseen Consequences. Rampant measles? Who could’ve predicted that? Iran blowing up US soldiers? Gosh, who would ever guess that might happen?

  28. Error Prone says:

    Any guess how these two Treasury Department press release items fit into pressuring Venezuela – aside from shooting boats?

    https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0327
    https://ofac.treasury.gov/recent-actions/20251203

    The press release title: Treasury Targets Money Laundering Network Supporting Venezuelan Terrorist Organization Tren de Aragua

    SO – Generic more of the same, or some new direction? It looks like more piling on to me, new persona non grata stuff, but others might have a better idea how/if this fits into the general picture of war excuses being floated, repeating a theme per Big Lie propaganda aims.

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